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Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 Secrets Allegedly Leaked to Nvidia by Former AMD Executives

Over the last year, AMD executives have been abandoning ship for rival Nvidia, and according to a new lawsuit, they took confidential information about the Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 with them. Engadget reports that AMD has filed suit against four ex-employees, claiming that the executives absconded with thousands of confidential documents, including sensitive information about technologies at use in next-gen consoles. As our well-placed sources told us last year, custom silicon based on AMD's A8-series APU and HD 7670 GPU will be used in the PlayStation 4, while the Xbox 720 will combine an IBM PowerPC CPU and a custom version of AMD's 6670 GPU.

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bicfitness1351d ago

Eew. I know you squeeze more out of closed-system architecture, but both those GPUs are crap by any modern standards. I don't understand the point of next-gen consoles if they'll be offering low-mid range PC graphics. That's what the current ones do now.

TheGamerDood1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

"7670 GPU will be used in the PlayStation 4, while the Xbox 720 will use a 6670 GPU."

If the rumors are true and it's looking like they are then the PS4 will have a higher clocked CPU, beefier GPU and faster ram than the next Xbox. Yikes! I hate to say but it looks like those whispers of MS abandoning the core and focusing mainly on the casual market may have been true. D: If I'm wrong on this then please feel free to correct me on this.

which might explain comments like these that have been trickling in from devs lately.

Xbox 720 tech won't be as "obvious" a leap
http://n4g.com/news/1155981...

Muffins12231351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Right....that may be true just like last gen but as long as sony has alienating hardware to develope for compared to pc and xox360, multi platform games will look better on next gen for xbox just because it will be easier to develop for.....besides,both of them are kinda weak in my opinion,so i dont know why stupid fan-boys like you are arguing over which console is less shitty lol..

DEATHSTROKE-cro-1351d ago

@Muffins

damn, are you stupid or what ? XD
you can see that PS4 won't use Cell and will be like a PC. so there will be no problem with making games for PS4. LOL

TheGamerDood1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

@mylittlemuffin

You're basing this all on the hopes that Sony will go with proprietary set up? Sorry my friend but they've decided on AMD hardware for that very reason of making it easier on the devs. Aww so much for that little theory of yours. *sadface*

Tacklebait1351d ago

When i try and google the difference between the 6670 and the 7670, I find some articles saying they are pretty much card in specs just rebranded.

So does this make these gpus equally capable in this rumored situation?

Not very techy here, i'm just a gamer.

bicfitness1351d ago

Tackle, see my below post for an explanation.

nukeitall1350d ago

There were some rumors about next Xbox having a 8000 series graphics card too. Like anything, it's not just the graphics card, but overall package to balance the system out.

That's the benefit of designing more specialized hardware as opposed to a general purpose system like PCs.

green1350d ago

@Tacklebait : You are absolutely right. The 7670 is a rebranded 6670. They are exactly the same.

HappyTrigger1350d ago (Edited 1350d ago )

LOL! First it's an IBM PowerPC, then an AMD jaguar. Or a 6670, then an 8000 series. Gotta love these speculations. Right now the specs I (and many others) see for the Xbox 720 are:

8-core AMD Jaguar 1.6GHz
8GB DDR3 + 32/64MB eDRAM (Though ESRAM seems to be floating around a lot lately)
1.2 TFLOP GPU

If that's "abandoning the core", then I'm shocked. Seems like a pretty beefy console to me.

DeadlyFire1350d ago (Edited 1350d ago )

AMD 7670/6670 (768 Gigaflops) = to AMD Trinity GPU spec basically which is about (763 Gigaflops). http://www.pcper.com/review...

That + another GPU could range drastically from 1 Tflop up to 3-4 Tflops. Say they go for max. AMD Trinity(768 Gigaflops) + AMD 8850(2.99 Tflops) = 3.758 Tflops

Then again it could work out for Xbox 720 with AMD Trinity + Mid power GPU + PowerPC CPU from IBM for Xbox 720. Say Power7+ at 32nm + AMD Trinity + GPU.

That's pretty big speculation and would lead one to think Sony might have a setup like that as well since they filled a patent for Dynamic context switching they could have an upgraded Cell or Power7 setup to emulate a Power series/Cell 2 like CPU + AMD Trinity/Kaveri + GPU.

Then again all of that seems like a little bit of a stretch. Could be a new trend with co-processing and big/little processing plans. Possibly with HSA making it all work in unison. If true.

zebramocha1350d ago

@happy Yeah your right,if the ps4 & 720 weren't suppose to come out until 2013 or 2014 then these specs seem weird sense they should be talking about amd 7000 series.

Saigon1350d ago

DeadlyFire,

I have to agree with your comment on both systems. For some reason I have a feeling MS and Sony will provide some sort of similar structure.

I made a comment a while ago that Sony could somehow apply the setup you suggested. That APU chip will be interesting once we find out what is housed in there.

daniel8561350d ago

@thegamerdood the GPU in the ps4 is garbage.the 7670 is just a re-branded radeon hd 6670 with a few enhancements on it thats it. that gpu is garbage and not powerful at all. its a low end GPU. if you think that the ps4 will be better than the 720 graphically because its using the 7670 you're sadly mistaken . again the 7670 is the 6670 but re-branded and a few new features thats all. no difference.

nirwanda1350d ago

@happytrigger I also hear it will have a separate sound to take off even more work off the cpu, on the 360 the sound processing took over most of one of the cores on the 360, and some other things to help the gpu out

ABizzel11350d ago

I seriously hope this isn't true. I hope they go with the 8000M, because if they don't I'm building a new PC this year, and I'll wait for these consoles.

There are too many rumors floating around, and I have to say I'm more willing to believe IGN's, now that there are lawsuits going on between AMD and former AMD employees who now work for NVIDIA (their enemy).

However, it has been stated numerous times that there have been multiple SKU's and these could have been some of the older SKU's, and things could have gotten better.

If not it's PC for me, until I see a library of games for the consoles.

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bicfitness1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

These are around 480 stream processing, MID range (low, in the 720's case) cards from 2011, 2012. Only on N4G can you get disagrees for stating facts.

Here you go. Read some links and educate yourselves.

http://videocardz.com/ati/r...

That's the "better" card in the PS4 - supposedly. Look at the 3D Mark and Vantage scores. Those are tests that indicate the rough graphical capabilities of the cards. Just to give you an idea, my Sager laptop (680m) has a 3D Mark score of 7000. On a LAPTOP, with an OS hogging resources. The 7670 gets up to 2000 max. Higher is better.

A 7670 is not a good video card. That is a fact. It is mid to low tier. They are budget cards and you often see the mobile versions crammed into $399 laptops. They only saving grace would be if Sony double GPU'd it, because the functionality is better in that case - but still not up to anything remarkable.

Omega Zues1350d ago

There will be two video cards for it. The A8 or rumored A10 Processor has a GPU built in it. Using a 7670.

The question is, will it be cross-fired or X-fire set-up for it.

wishingW3L1350d ago (Edited 1350d ago )

I knew the jump was going to be small but NOT THIS SMALL!! I was expecting 800 pipelines minimum but only 480? That's like a 40 dollars card for god's sake! These next gen consoles CAN'T cost more than $300 I tell you if not then that's a rip-off just like the Wii U. ;______;

An APU (which has super weak CPU processing that can't even compete with the Xbox's CPU) paired with an HD 7670m... That's waaaayyy too weak!

NintyJazz1350d ago

So even if a console has great games on it, you'd consider it a rip off because it's not very powerful? Today's "gamers" are disappointing.

IAmTheBest351350d ago

its not a ripoff if it has amazing games. thats what youre buying the system for.. GAMES, not specs. tard.

fermcr1350d ago

* sigh *

Another day, another leak.
Do people still believe these stupid leaks ?

Qrphe1350d ago

A 7670 is definitely not low end, not yet at least.

bicfitness1350d ago

Performance wise it is. It has less than 25% of the stream processors of a 7990 (2048). I'm not sure by what standards you think that isn't mid>low, but it is. Unless you know nothing about PCs. Plus the RAM clocks are miserably low. And by winter 2013, a 7670 will will certainly be outdated.

morkendo231350d ago

shit, everyone expecting NEXT GENERATION cpu,gpu,higher clarity graphic's and what not. seem to me if everyone wish came true SONY-MICROSOFT console would be 1200.00 or more. average consumer not able to afford it at the present economy time, just appreciate what we can get ps4 -720 probably be tweeked enough for illusion of 4k resolution.

it is only REAL to the mind that believe in the delusion of a illusion.

ziggurcat1350d ago

"Eew. I know you squeeze more out of closed-system architecture, but both those GPUs are crap by any modern standards. I don't understand the point of next-gen consoles if they'll be offering low-mid range PC graphics."

so what? the question is whether it's better than what current gen consoles have. if the answer is "yes", then who cares...

and stop comparing what goes into a console with what goes into a high-end PC because they're not the same thing, nor will they ever be the same thing.

lfclee1350d ago

There is not much between them and the wii u ?

lfclee1350d ago

I am not going to bother wasting my money the next gen why ? Well when you look at it the next gen is about 20 % more powerful than the wii u , you are not going to notice it at all and i have a wii u .

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BitbyDeath1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Funny how all these supposed leaked specs are different from one another.

Next up i want to see a baby Elephant included or no deal.

iamnsuperman1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

My source says it will make coffee for you and also tell you it loves you. True story as I have "well placed sources" too

In all seriousness though everyone wants to be a source and these websites really do not check the validity of the sources before reporting on them

BanBrother1350d ago

And we can call the elephant Stampy Junior!!!

NintyJazz1350d ago

This is an IGN leak, and despite what you may think of their journalism, they usually only report on rumors which have circumstantial and substantial evidence to support their validity.

FlyingFoxy1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

My laptop has a 5870M in it, pretty sure it's more powerful than the mid end cards they will be using in the consoles.. but then it's not much a surprise.

My desktop has the 5870 in it which is even more powerful than the mobile version.. probably walk all over these consoles.

On my laptop i can play Black Mesa full settings 1080P and the most it drops to is around 40FPS and is usually a nice 60+. Very good for a laptop, but i doubt consoles will handle that and 60+FPS constant.

bicfitness1351d ago

That is a great card, even today, and yes, it is better than either of these, certain DX11 features aside.

Omega Zues1350d ago

Right now im using two 5870s and im still amazed at how well they perform.

badkolo1351d ago

why dont we wait untilwe here the real specs and not leaked mis info, until its a fact this is all rumors

tehpees31350d ago (Edited 1350d ago )

It doesn't surprise me. I and many others have called this. Its silly to think when development costs get higher and higher you can keep expanding on power. What people want is more RAM.

I think next gen engines will be made to be more flexible. And I am not convinced Wii U would suffer much even if the consoles significantly outclass it. It will rule the Japanese market so developers there would naturally go there by default and its been proven all too often that power actually proves to slow down your console sales due to being more expensive.

if it was about power PS1 would not have outsold N64. PS2 would not have outsold Xbox and Gamecube. PS3 would not have fallen so far behind like it did at the start of this gen. PSP would have outsold DS. And Vita wouldn't be struggling as much as it is at the moment. So is there any real sense making the kind of leap we had before? Especially when you are bundling Kinect 2.0 in.

It would mean more expensive games (the kinds of prices we paid for N64 games £70), more re-releasing and DLC nickle and diming and more developers closing down so it just isn't worth going through with to please a small group of graphics lovers.

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