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Submitted by thenextxbox 1119d ago | opinion piece

Microsoft May Opt Against Blu-ray Movie Playback With Xbox Next

Boston (TheNextXbox) – The successor to the Xbox 360 is right around the corner, as the Major Nelson countdown has the entire gaming world on alert. One thing that is almost a given with the successor to the Xbox 360, for the sake of this article we will call it the Xbox Next, is that it will include a Blu-ray optical drive. This is due to the fact that next-generation games are going to require a lot more space than is currently available on a DVD. This type of optical format has been utilized by Sony throughout the life of the PlayStation 3 and will continue forward to the upcoming PlayStation 4 in all likelihood as well. What many gamers are missing though, is that there is a real chance that Microsoft may opt against allowing Blu-ray movie playback on the Xbox Next. (Industry, Microsoft, Next-Gen)

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Anon1974  +   1119d ago
As the article noted, perhaps they'll build it in but charge you extra to use the feature like how they pointed out the original XBox had a DVD player, but wouldn't allow you to play DVD movies unless you shelled out for remote.

It wouldn't be the first time, or the last time, we've seen Microsoft charge you extra to access something you've already purchased (much like the extra fees to play multiplayer content developers included on the game you purchased). They'll keep doing it until there's enough push back from consumers. You really can't blame them if people are willing to pay.
darthv72  +   1119d ago
the idea is a more digital age then the physical playback of blurays isnt in their best interest. The biggest outcry has been they need a format with sufficient capacity. HDDVD could be adapted for games and it is still a format that can be manufactured.

If it can upscale dvd's then most people will be happy. not to mention the cost of stand alone blu players is much cheaper in the short amount of time its been on the market as compared to when DVD and players were at the same amount of time.

MS wants to promote xbox movies for downloading and streaming and the games just need a bigger capacity disc. Does it have to use a "standard" for games or can they use whatever is larger and more cost effective to them?

Back in the days of cartridges, all carts were of different physical shapes and sizes but it didnt matter to the company so long as it was a format the developers could put their games on. Games have gotten bigger so the same rule can apply. If the idea is a higher capacity format for games then they can use whatever they want to satisfy the developers. Even at the loss of movie playback from a retail bluray.

I may have a ps3 but i dont watch movies on it. I use an LG bluray player because i believe in a dedicated player for a dedicated role.
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MikeMyers  +   1119d ago
What does the Wii U use?

I could see Microsoft not supporting bluray and perhaps doing something different. They may see it as a weakness to now support bluray since they sided with HD DVD and never did offer a a bluray player attachment.

PC games still don't use bluray. Microsoft's biggest mistake was not having a hard drive in every system, it wasn't because they didn't support bluray.
Oh_Yeah  +   1119d ago
Why not get one thing that can do everything in one? = less things you have to buy and less clutter. Saves time and money. Honestly I'm done with all consoles except playstation where I know the exclusives will be. It's time to get a gaming rig for multiplats, media, and everything else.
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badz149  +   1119d ago
"PC games still don't use bluray."

seriously dude, still with THAT argument about pc games not using bluray? consoles and pc, they are just not the same!

come back here again with that argument when pc games could be played without installing and streamed off disc like the consoles! that's like...NEVER!
kneon  +   1119d ago
The Wii uses a bluray drive, it's just that like the Wii they haven't shelled out the royalties required for movie playback.

Microsoft may go the same route, but if they really want to pitch the as the heart of your home entertainment system then leaving out bluray playback would be silly.
memots  +   1119d ago
Ahhh yes digital. I can see it. Download 50gig for MGS5 .. yes
MikeMyers  +   1119d ago

So bluray on the PS3 meant you didn't have to install games? Interesting. Funny how you can buy full PS3 games off of the store like Infamous just like you can from other places like Steam with no need for any physical disc. You're right, bluray is definitely needed.
SilentNegotiator  +   1119d ago
"PC games still don't use bluray"

uuuuhhhh, except 90% of them are using digital only, which is a different matter all together.
hellvaguy  +   1119d ago
" they sided with HD DVD "

Actually MS didn't side with HDdvd, which is why it isn't the standard on 360's. MS wanted to sit back and see who won the format wars for next gen. It was a format war much like Betamax vs VHS. Although HDdvd is a much faster and better format for gaming, Blu-ray won out because of all the movie support and much larger storage.

Downside to Blu-ray players is that they have to spin at much higher rate than dvd players, which is why you see a fair number of ps3 blue-ray player going ka-put. Im a huge fan of blue-ray for movies, but for gaming, idk it has its pros and cons. But one thing is for certain with dvd, cannot be used in any next gen system because of the low storage capacity.
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mmj  +   1119d ago
Microsoft did side with HD-DVD they just had no confidence in the format, if they had shipped 360 with a built in HD-DVD drive it may well have faired better against Bluray.

Even if it had still failed Xbox 360 would have still benefitted from the larger storage medium, the only reason Microsoft didn't integrate a HD-DVD drive was for cost reasons, Sony no doubt made a loss early on by integrating Bluray but Microsoft's only concern is profit and a cheap DVD drive suited them better.
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gaffyh  +   1118d ago
If they don't allow Blu-Ray movie playback, it is the dumbest decision they have ever made. Because there are bound to be people who look at it and think, I may as well buy a Xbox 720 instead of a Blu-Ray player. If it doesn't have that feature then that won't happen.
joeorc  +   1118d ago
"According to Anandtech, the Wii U's optical drive is "very Blu-ray like." The site found in its teardown that the drive allows for 25GB of capacity per disc -- the same as Blu-ray. However, the site was quick to point out that the Wii U does not actually come with a Blu-ray drive."

Once again i do not know where this info keep's coming from, but the optical drive in the WiiU is not a Blu-Ray optical drive!


"Downside to Blu-ray players is that they have to spin at much higher rate than dvd players, which is why you see a fair number of ps3 blue-ray player going ka-put."


The Blu-Ray drive does not have to spin at a much higher rate than DVD player's no you have that backwards. Most DVD and CD optical DRIVE ARE "CAV" while Blu-Ray drive's such as the one in the PS3 are "CLV" optical drives.

They do not have to spin faster than DVD because the Bit Rate is over 5x that of DVD,per 1x!
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darthv72  +   1118d ago
wii-u bluray
is bluray by association. It uses a blue laser optical drive but one that is not set to the same wavelength as that which is used by the bluray discs.

Even HDDVD used a blue laser but its wavelength was different which is why the two formats had different sizes per layer. some companies were able to make a dynamic laser that could read both so there is potential that the laser could be refined even more to add more capacity per layer.

doing that could make the laser not read the movie discs because those are built on the standard principle of a fixed wavelength. It was more cost effective to have a fixed wavelength laser diode as opposed to one that could change dynamically. That was several years ago so it may be easier to do now.

the misconception is that anything using a blue laser is being lumped into the term of "bluray" which is wrong.
morganfell  +   1118d ago
Microsoft did back HD DVD.

It was only after HD DVD fell that MS suddenly claimed they didn't have a position in the matter and felt digital downloads were the future.
kneon  +   1118d ago

Wavelength has nothing to do with the differences between HD-DVD and bluray, they both use 405nm lasers, as does the Wii U.

Why would Nintendo go and design and build a custom disk drive from scratch at several times the cost of an off the shelf drive. By using standard bluray components they benefit from all the economies of scale on the hardware as well as on media reproduction.
DA_SHREDDER  +   1119d ago
Just buy a ps3 or ps4 so you don't have to worry about it.
palaeomerus  +   1119d ago
Or a cheap bluray player.
WitWolfy  +   1118d ago

funny enough back in 2007 the cheapest BR player was the PS3 :P But that was probably just a scam from Sony to force consumers to buy a PS3 to begin with to get the units of the shelves
nukeitall  +   1119d ago
I never used or needed the DVD feature on the original Xbox, nor did I ever use the DVD movie playback on Xbox 360.

In fact, I barely use the blu-ray drive to view movies on my PS3. I just stream my content, and that's probably why Wii U doesn't bother with blu-ray either.

At this point, I think blu-ray is a waste of money to pay extra for the licensing fee, so get rid of it and make the next Xbox cheaper.
FFXI101  +   1119d ago
"I never used or needed the DVD feature on the original Xbox, nor did I ever use the DVD movie playback on Xbox 360. "

Just because you don't use it doesn't mean others won't use it.

"In fact, I barely use the blu-ray drive to view movies on my PS3. I just stream my content, and that's probably why Wii U doesn't bother with blu-ray either"

There's nothing wrong stream movie, tv shows. But some people like to have their own collections. I collect movies, tv shows, animes in blu-ray. Besides if something were happen to your system and you don't have the warranty to cover it, MS, Sony may or may not let you re-download the contents.

"At this point, I think blu-ray is a waste of money to pay extra for the licensing fee, so get rid of it and make the next Xbox cheaper."

I disagree, then again, it is up to MS to decide whether or not to add blu-ray drive, not you or me.
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cleverusername  +   1119d ago
You're in the minority then!
News4Noobs-  +   1119d ago
"At this point, I think blu-ray is a waste of money to pay extra for the licensing fee, so get rid of it and make the next Xbox cheaper."

It is also a WASTE of time having 3 Discs for just one game, changing it every time you want to play different sections of that game.
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Run_bare  +   1119d ago
to nuketail... moron. not everyone live in the first or second world country... even Australia nbn is not going to be completed until 2020
ChrisW  +   1118d ago
I have a collection of DVDs about 40 or so. I have watched about 5 or so more than once... And the last time I watched one of them was about 2 or 3 years ago. Because of this, I have looked at my DVD collection numerous times recently wondering why I haven't put them up in storage or dropped them off at Salvation Army or Goodwill.
nukeitall  +   1118d ago

If you don't live in a first or second world country, the newest consoles aren't the target market for you. It's as simple as that.

I'm not saying people aren't using it, I'm saying for a lot of people, me included and apparently ChrisW above, never really cared about blu-ray. We get our content streaming and don't want to pay extra. If we wanted it, we will just buy a dedicatd player for $60 and won't risk wearing out the mechanical part that is most likely to wear out or fail first. Optical drive is the part that usually goes out.

Nintendo didn't see a need for it, and neither do I especially when there are streaming options.

I think blu-ray on next gen console is a waste of money. Just stick with another lower-cost licensed high storage disc format.


Did I say NO high capacity disc format?

My point is, I don't want to pay a license to Blu-Ray association when there are cheaper alternatives that gives you 50-100GB of storage on one disc.


"But some people like to have their own collections. I collect movies, tv shows, animes in blu-ray."

I collect too, mostly games these days. However, there are dedicated blu-ray players. You can cheaply buy those. Why would you risk wearing out your console that you paid hundreds of dollars for, when a stand alone blu-ray player cost $60?

"Besides if something were happen to your system and you don't have the warranty to cover it, MS, Sony may or may not let you re-download the contents."

I'm seeing some misunderstanding. I'm NOT saying a download only console, but rather let's use another high capacity disc format like Wii U. I would rather see MS put that money into making the console more powerful than a tax that doesn't really benefit the users that much.
Flatbattery  +   1118d ago

Sorry to disappoint but the Wii U uses a Blu-ray optical drive.
ElectricKaibutsu  +   1118d ago
I had no idea the people on this site were so into Blu-Ray movies. I had a huge DVD collection but when Blu-Ray came out I just said eff that. I'm not buying all my movies again. I switched to streaming and never looked back. Though I admit on rare occasions I've rented Blu-Rays if I couldn't get something streaming.

Nukeitall makes sense. The optical drive is the part that tends to fail first on consoles. It's why I never played DVDs on my launch PS2, which still works great. The rights to play Blu-Ray movies costs money. If the next Xbox left it out or made it optional, it would save people like me money. But of course then people like you (yes you, person reading this) who would actually use their gaming console to watch Blu-Rays would have to pay more. One of us is getting screwed, and honestly I'm betting it's me and Nukeitall.
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darthv72  +   1118d ago
the wii-u uses a blue laser optical drive. Society has associated it to "bluray" because it uses a laser. you know what else used a blue laser??? HD-DVD.

The fact that the laser is blue does not make it "bluray". certain factors have to be taken into consideration with the main one being the wavelength the laser is using. The early days of HDDVD and blu had companies that were able to support both with the same laser by having the laser dynamically change wavelength depending on the disc inserted.

The disc capacity is also dynamic. some companies do not use the full capacity of the discs for movies and games. MS can use a green laser disc format or the much improved red laser format that supports 100gb of space.

Whatever they choose is on them. I have my dedicated movie machines. im more interested in the games these new units will deliver. As I said before, the biggest outcry from developers was storage capacity. DVD is still used and can accommodate the same capacity of game as a bluray but obviously the game would span multiple discs.

That is based on the principle of a game being 45gb worth of data. It can either be on 5 9gb discs or 1 45gb disc but the data size remains the same. Obviously the convenience is a single disc just like having a 650mb cd instead of 650 1mb floppy disks. (yeah i know they were 1.44mb).

The bottom line is about cost. They will use something cost effective while at the same time be sufficient for developers to put their games on. Movie playback...yeah MS is going to push xbox movies for that. Or more partnerships with streaming services.
Lvl_up_gamer  +   1118d ago
@ Nukeitall

I have been saying the same thing year on year. I completley agree with you.

However there is just 1 counter argument that unfortunatly I have had to agree with. Why add an additional piece of equipment to your already crowded TV stand (Cable box, PS4, 720, etc) if you can have a single device that does everything? I collect blu-rays and I agree with your arguemtn about burning out your console faster....but I would rather have a system that does everyting I need it to do then multiple equipemnt already attached to my tv using up all my available usb ports?

My argument also goes as far as Sony and their lack of BC for the PS3. Everyone just says well keep your PS2 connected....well I don't want too because I don't have an unlimited amout of room on my tv stand and connectors in the back.

1 system to rule them all kind of thing.
rainslacker  +   1118d ago
By that same logic you wouldn't need streaming to be on next consoles either. Nowadays, with smart TV's and standalone blu-ray players having more streaming capabilities than consoles, why not just buy one of those to get that feature. Then you wouldn't be wearing out the integrated circuits or fans of your console to do what you do.

The truth is, it's a nice feature to have. Is any of it really necessary? Of course not. All of this stuff is luxury consumerism. That doesn't mean that if we are able to afford it that we should just say "no big deal, there are other options". It comes down to overall value of the system.

The reason HDDVD or BR weren't in the original 360 were because of the price of the laser diodes at the time of the 360's release. The laser assembly on the PS3 was one of the most expensive parts in the system at the time, and was even more expensive when the 360 released. Nowadays, the licensing costs of BR is cheap enough for them to include it. You can easily find standalone players for $60, so what makes you think it would add that much to the 720. It would be nice for consumers to have that extra feature, as integration is becoming more important to the living room with all the different methods of content delivery. This is even more true if MS intends to become the center of everyone's living room.

The nice thing about my phat PS3 is that I can have it all in one system. Full BC, Blu-Ray, Unscaled DVD, and Streaming, all in one convenient place, all with one convenient input.
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Run_bare  +   1117d ago
To nukeitall

You either really dumb or not understand simple economics. Do you really think MS or SONY will leave the rest of market (Countries) which still rely on Media?

MS and Sony try very hard to get to the Chinese and Asian market.. why don't you tell them that Media is overrated and see how they react. Not all of us live in the first world country of USA.
FlyingFoxy  +   1119d ago
I love windows but MS screw people over with XBL, i mean paying to play online? seriously? it's a big slap in the face when us PC gamers have awesome free services like Steam.
JANF  +   1119d ago
What does XBL has to do with this article. Just wondering...
WeAreLegion  +   1119d ago
I feel like you're just trying to get a rise out of him...
WitWolfy  +   1118d ago
LOL whats the bet.. You'll have to have XBL Gold to use the BR drive for movies ;)

Krew_92  +   1118d ago
I'm pretty sure Games for Windows Live is free right? I got a couple of Steam games that required Live, and I could connect online to people for free.

So your argument doesn't really make sense, although I do know they tried to charge at first, but failed.
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juandren  +   1119d ago
While I agree with you that Microsoft cannot be blamed for opting to charge users for playback (if that will be the case), I do think it will be a bad decision on their behalf simply because that will be one more thing Sony can one-up them with. I can't imagine it will look too great for Microsoft if Sony can advertise (and brag about) their exclusive games, free online play, similar price point (let's face it the two systems' hardware configurations won't be that much different in the end) AND the only console with Blu-Ray playback - which is just as important to a lot of people who can't afford a console and a Blu-Ray player (read: me)
miyamoto  +   1119d ago
the extra fees to play multiplayer content developers included on the game you purchased). They'll keep doing it until the common gamer is $ucked dry
NeverEnding1989  +   1119d ago
Considering all the money SONY has given M$ over the years to use Windows on their laptops, I don't see why M$ wouldn't pay the licensing fee to SONY
KMCROC54  +   1119d ago
Don't think the fee goes to Sony directly think the BDA does the breaking down of the fee to everyone involved in the tech.As for movie play back thinks it has to due with contracts with other service that do streaming of BD quality movies. Just going on a hunch here.
hellvaguy  +   1119d ago
Well Sony doesn't just pay MS out of the goodness of their little hearts for windows. They really have no choice. I mean lets face it Linux laptops aren't all the rage and Apple sure isn't letting Sony in on their piece of the pie.

Also, Sony is a minority shareholder in the Blu-ray ownership association:
DeadlyFire  +   1119d ago
Microsoft = HVD + Blu-Ray Playback.

Next gen = 100 GB discs.

HVD and Blu-Ray are only 2 formats capable of 100GB. HVD can play Blu-Ray discs. Win/Win for MS if they go that route regardless of if they add Blu-Ray playback to their console.

Just my 2 cents, but seems probable.
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steve30x  +   1119d ago
I dont need Blue Ray playback on my console. I already own a Blue Ray player and blue Ray players are affordable now.
kgamer20  +   1118d ago
Actually the article didn't suggest MS would want you to pay extra to play BR movies on the Xbox Next. It suggests that Microsoft wouldn't enable the feature at all but rather have you access movies through Xbox Live and subscribed services such as Netflix. :-)
Blackdeath_663  +   1118d ago
" You really can't blame them if people are willing to pay. " good point. in order for them to change, people need to stand up against these anit-consumer practices
Syntax-Error  +   1118d ago
XBL is doomed if they don't start offering more for the $60 yearly subscription. Sony is closing in and offering the same apps as XBL with $50 subscription plus free games and trials. Many XBL members have dropped off bc of this and I don't see them coming back unless MS can give something substantial back to it's members.
RuleofOne343  +   1118d ago
*$60 yearly subscription* their are other thing that you pay more for on a monthly base but get less in return , but yet your complaint is on a yearly item. Also most sub are not a full 60 dollars you can find them on the net for cheap.
steve30x  +   1118d ago
@witwicky343 : We already pay to use our internet every month so I dont see why we should pay to use it on a console too.
hesido  +   1118d ago
@darkride66: It may not be exactly like charging for things that the user already bought: There may be costs associated with royalties for DVD and Bluray playback, and Microsoft may be transferring the cost to the enduser and only for people who'd like the feature. It somehow makes sense.
ATi_Elite  +   1118d ago
Microsoft charging you for Blu-ray and pretty soon charging Gamers for DirectX............and this is why the SteamBox and Microsoft Free PC Gaming is so Popular!

Oh and what's with the big argument up there about PC Games not using Blu-ray?

It's a PC....the game is compressed on the disk and then installed on the HDD/SSD for better performance.

Isn't there a Bunch of Console games you gotta install to the console HDD. I really don't understand the argument up above as a SSD blows the doors off any Disc any day as far as speed and performance.

No moving parts! almost no loading screens, snappy performance, no scratches.

Microsoft just doesn't want to pay Sony for Blu-ray fee and also MS may just want to milk gamers by forcing them to buy all movies online or pay money buying a remote like last time just to watch your already owned movies.
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wishingW3L  +   1119d ago
They probably will go the same route as Nintendo. They will create their own format based on Blu-ray but with no playback of movies to not pay royalties.
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BanBrother  +   1119d ago
What I was thinking. I think they don't want to add that feature, as it will essentially be them admitting defeat. I hope they just suck it up and do what is right for us gamers. Blu-ray has to be implemented, it is amazing. Movies that were made 30 years ago that are on blu-ray today look just as good if not better than todays movies in standard dvd.

Whether they opt for blu-ray or their own proprietary format is anyones guess. One thing is for sure I DO NOT want to see games spread across multiple disks that don't need to be.
blue_flowers  +   1119d ago
i would hope the Microsoft Company realizes many people have already started adding bluray to their current DVD libraries. that being said, it would be really pointless to have a feature blocking bluray playback when people will still buy bluray movies anyway. i, along with many others have purchased a bluray player. the only thing Microsoft allowing bluray playback does for me, is allow me to choose which room i watch the movie in, either the room with the bluray player or my living room with the future xbox. i certainly do not plan on any device, to build a movie collection by buying digital movies only or really at all, that to me is beyond asinine. sure ill still use netflix and hulu, but that doesnt alter my choices as to if im going to buy a DVD or a bluray movie.
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RuleofOne343  +   1119d ago
*(You stated)I would hope the Microsoft Company realizes many people have already started adding Blu-ray to their current DVD libraries.*

So it's no issue for those with a BD collection already seeing as how they bought a BD player to watch those movies on .
blue_flowers  +   1119d ago
yes, exactly, but it would be silly for them to think blocking playback would funnel people on xbl to download movies as an alternative to bluray. it would be better if they just allow playback
Hicken  +   1118d ago
You missed the part where he said "the only thing Microsoft allowing bluray playback does for me, is allow me to choose which room i watch the movie in, either the room with the bluray player or my living room with the future xbox."

I like having two PS3s in the house. Not just because it's two gaming systems to use. But also because it's two BluRay players in two different rooms. Or two DVD players. Or two media players, or whatever. It means I can replace the DVD player with a device that does more than just play DVDs.

It was one of the things that made me like my PS2- since I could keep my DVD player in the living room and keep my PS2 in my room. The same was true for the PS3: I like buying electronics, but it's great to have one device to consolidate everything.

Not having BluRay would kinda mean the Nextbox wouldn't be my go-to device.
TheGamerDood  +   1119d ago
"Instead, Microsoft required gamers to purchase a little DVD playback adapter that came with a remote control. This activated the ability that the system already had to play DVD movies"

They call that a double tax don't they? anyone could defend MS at all is beyond me. They nickle and dime for just about anything and users are so willing to give up their hard earned money.

"Xbox Live Gold subscriptions generate roughly $1 billion in revenue for Microsoft every year"

And this is the reason why Live will remain a paid for service next generation.
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Seraphemz  +   1119d ago
And thats why I would never own a 360, paying for online gaming just doesnt make sense when PSN is free.

I dont get why so many 360 owners take what M$ dishes out...
showtimefolks  +   1119d ago
i think with next xbox it will be different, this time around MS had an open season with gamers for the 1st year. now ps4 launching with next xbox MS will have to change some of its ways.

people not only take what MS dishes out but also praise them and defend them.
nukeitall  +   1119d ago
"And thats why I would never own a 360, paying for online gaming just doesnt make sense when PSN is free."

and you probably never will! However, I will try to explain.

It's not just about the price tag, but the community. It's like Google Plus, it might be better in some way, but the community on Facebook is just so much better people keep using it continuing making the community even better.

I gladly pay for XBL, because I like the people I meet, that I talk to with voice and do teamwork with and it is easy to schedule a match with them. To me, time is valuable and texting back forth on the PS3 is cumbersome.

However, jumping in on a party on XBL while playing a different game, when a slot opens the party lets me know and I jump in.

Personally, I'm glad there is a paid premium option as well as a free. Something for everyone.
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darthv72  +   1119d ago
if memory serves...
didnt the original PS2 have a small problem of not being able to play movies at first?

I think you had to buy the remote and it came with a disc or something to copy to the memory card in order to play dvd's.

I know the one that i got had the IR built in for the remote and was ready to play movies right out of the box. though i got mine some time in 2003.
baodeus  +   1119d ago

You should try it out then, and come back to see if you change your mind.

Xbox live vs psn is like American online vs net zero back then. American online dies out but net zero was not sustainable and they stop being free and disappear as well. Could be the same here.
CraigandDayDay  +   1119d ago
The problem is that you're ignoring PS+ revenue that Sony is taking in. I don't think Netzero had a PS+ equivalent.
spicelicka  +   1119d ago
I freakin hate MS, but halo is my most favourite franchise of all time, and gears is right under it. Not exactly my fault for loving 2 of the few exclusives on xbox.

But i don't take shit from them. I have a modded xbox and a regular xbox as well. Call it false justification but i really don't give a shit. I pay for the games that i wanna play online or are really worth it to support the devs, not MS. And i download others.
Axe99  +   1119d ago
It's still worth grabbing a 360 for some of their exclusives - the PS3 is my main console by some margin, followed by PC and Vita, but 360's got a number of quality exclusives. Its online community is nothing special though - they're just gamers like everyone else, just with a higher tolerance with getting screwed over to pay $50 a year for cross-game chat. Cross-game chat and parties are excellent, but they're free on PC and Vita (Vita's still isn't quite as good as XBLs, but it's deffo solid), and a bloody rort on XBL.

But there's plenty of quality offline gaming on 360 to be had, and they're cheap as all get out now. The actual online gameplay is only different on 360 for the exclusives - not surprisingly, peer-to-peer games work just as well on XBL as they do on PSN - so unless you have a burning desire to play Gears or Halo online (Halo is a quality arcade shooter and Forza a great racer - I'm just not paying $50 a year to play them online), just grab one for the exclusives and stick it to MS by not buying a gold sub - you'll still get a 1-month trial so you can give it a gander if you buy a new 360.
GribbleGrunger  +   1119d ago
If MS don't offer Blu-ray playback then it could be a mistake. When Sony first released the PS3, they advertised it heavily as a Blu-ray player because they were trying to establish the format. But now it's an established format, so Sony would have a big advantage if they began advertising the PS4 as a Blu-ray player (and it was 4k enabled).
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Seraphemz  +   1119d ago
i really dont see it as an issue with watching blurays, i think that most people who own the system probably already have a seperate bluray player.

360 owners are used to shelling out money when they dont need to.

What M$ need to do it get a format to fit games on one disk,I really dont see them getting away with multiple disks again...
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GribbleGrunger  +   1119d ago
But that's the thing. Sony and Microsoft won't just want the same userbase to buy their product, they'll want to steal a percentage from the other companies userbase. MS did it by releasing a year earlier this time around, but can they afford to count on that again? I'm not so sure.
darthv72  +   1119d ago
Even before
the bluray format became the clear victor MS was touting its streaming services on the 360 more so than physical playback. they had the hddvd not because they wanted to support hddvd but to throw a wrench into the mix of a decided hd format. It didnt work because sony convinced more studios to support their side by way of trying to promote the ps3 as the trojan horse for blu like ps2 did for dvd.

If Ms will have a higher capacity format then it wouldnt surprise me if it was a rebirth to hddvd. Both formats (hddvd/blu) are more alike than they are different. Not to mention that with it being a dedicated format it could thwart piracy to some degree as there arent a bunch of hddvd burners on the market like there are blu.
Jazz4108  +   1119d ago
Why would ms fans listen to sony supporters. That seems to be the main people that comment on n4g? I enjoy my 360 and my ps3 and i am a gamer. Its only when i come here is when all i read is negativity towards ms in general. I am just glad the majority of gamers dont get involved with this pittiful my console is better then yours and in the real world Sony is in trouble as a company and with the press.
Daoshai  +   1119d ago
Right on. N4g is full of childish fanboys. Once in awhile you find an enlightened comment but not often.
cooperdnizzle  +   1118d ago
Every company is in trouble" As you say. The thing is Sony is not in trouble with the PlayStation brand the movie cameras, record label, digital cameras, and movie studios, just there tv and phones at the moment. Dumb ass people on this site.
aviator189  +   1119d ago
I think they should just add in blu-ray.
Blu-ray sales are already heating up compared to dvd sales, so I imagine it'd be good to have in the long run.
BanBrother  +   1119d ago
Blu-ray Disc sales in United States and Canada Year Cumulative sales (millions)
2006 1.2
2007 19.2
2008 82.4
2009 177.2
2010 350

From wikipedia but still, it gives you an idea of how much they have sky-rocketed. I don't know why people still buy dvd's, as at least in Australia the prices are Pretty much equal and a lot of the time cheaper. I have a PS3 dedicated to blu-ray movies. The next Xbox needs to have blu-ray playback, at least for me and marketing purposes.
Godmars290  +   1118d ago
And yet whenever you hear anything about Blu-ray from sites or podcasts - which use to back HD-DVD - its only how they haven't caught on.

Why is that you think...
Xian  +   1119d ago
Blu-Ray playback was one of the primary reasons that we initially bought a PS3 and didn't buy a 360 until much later, and even then it was used off of Craigslist which didn't earn Microsoft any more money. They are likely to lose customers if they don't allow Blu-Ray - many people want one box that will do it all instead of requiring a separate game system and blu-ray player.
darthv72  +   1119d ago
your craigslist
point makes no sense. you buying a used 360 is no different than someone buying a used ps3. it didnt make sony any more money either.

what has "where" you buy it have to do with whether or not you buy it?

its a different set of rules now than back in the PS2 dvd days. There are far more choices of bluray players for less than a ps3 even at the ps3 launch. It wasnt like that with the ps2. That was considered the cheapest dvd player when it came out.

I guarantee you there are homes with more than one bluray player in them. In fact, studios are doing more to sell the combos of blu/dvd and digital copies than just the stand alone blu version.

It is a better value as then you could watch your movie practically anywhere.
BitbyDeath  +   1119d ago
PS3 was the cheapest blu-ray player on the market when it launched. See link below-
Godmars290  +   1118d ago
Besides that a Crigslist 360 was likely to be a banned system.

And all that was ever really said at the time was that it was too expensive for a game console.
FlyingFoxy  +   1119d ago
Consoles are rather behind in this respect, by now you'd think they would have a fair size hard drive at least 256gb and let you install your games completely instead of disc loading.

Couldn't hurt to put a small SSD in them either.

PC still doesn't need bluray for games as you just install and forget with a DVD since thhe files are decompressed to HDD.
madjedi  +   1119d ago
256 gigs is fair sized, wtf is this 2002?

Yeah setting aside the game data installs, music, movies and dled games i have roughly 50ish games averaging it out to a flat 8 gigs across the board i would need over 400 gigs just for retail games.

It could be higher or lower some games are only a couple gigs and some being 25-50, add in about 80 albums then another 35-50+ gigs in downloaded games on my ps3.

Try a terabyte or larger if you want to install all your games and bypass the disc drive.

Till they drop in price and sky rocket in storage ssd's are not particularly practical for consoles, unless you have a separate high capacity hdd for general storage.
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WitWolfy  +   1118d ago
Yeah but without internet your pretty screwed.. REMEMBER not everybody lives in a 1st world country.. Like the other day I was at a gaming store and this guy couldnt buy a COD gamer cause he needed Steam to activate it first... No wonder Piracy is always so rampant in 3rd world countries
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AngelicIceDiamond  +   1119d ago
Naw, This time around MS will bring Blue Ray with the console at no additional charge. A subscription to use Blue Ray that's built in to the 720 is horrendous.

I get it, streaming movies on 360 and and possibly 720 is a paid model for MS. But if people wanna buy Blue Ray movies on the 720 they should be able to do that on their own freewill. With NO Additional cost not even MS would do something like that.

MS nor Sony have no problem paying each other royalties for "foreign software."
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aviator189  +   1119d ago
i agree. a subscription-based model really would be horrible.
giovonni  +   1119d ago
The idea of the writing is spot on. If I were MS I would just use the HD/dvd formate for the games, this way you open more space but don't side with the comp. for those who want to see blu ray movies stream it from a partner company using xbox gold. there are really cheap blu ray stand alones god knows how long its been since I watched a dvd or blu ray on a console, but that's just me
tdogchristy90  +   1119d ago
While I see his argument, I have a question.

He's basically saying ms won't use br to shaft Sony of sorts? That's like saying "i'm not going to use DVD because I don't want to pay the person who created it". I see the articles put I'm just saying that at some point all companies no matter who you are have to realize the establishment of a format and use it because it's so established, royalty payments or not.
giovonni  +   1118d ago
I agree with you a little bit, however, dvd was an unchallenged format. Where as blu ray competed with hd dvd. Since there is an alternative to blu ray where you don't have to pay a license, or royalty fees to a competitive rival, plus eliminate a large amount of piracy, why not use that Avenue? From a business stand point it's Genius because there are third party companies like netflix, Hulu and others that upscale to HD qualities. With Xbox live these avenues can be reached with out having to go outside of the company. As a consumer, nothing has drastically changed, the dvd capacity issue is solved the games are still 59.99 no one is upset
Bathyj  +   1119d ago
I dont really think its a selling point you can brag about to have Bluray playback. But to not have playback when there is a Bluray drive in the machine is a big middle finger.

It really should be just standard at this point.
MultiConsoleGamer  +   1119d ago
For a while it seemed that MS would use high capacity DVD in their next Xbox. When it comes to gaming only, high capacity DVD has some distinct advantages over bluray.

However, if MS is serious about making the next box an all in one media device then they need bluray because its quickly becoming the dominant movie format.
Veneno  +   1119d ago
Agree. If microsoft wants me to buy there next xbox, they can't expect me to be ok with making my blu ray collection useless.
maniacmayhem  +   1119d ago
At this point it doesn't matter if the next Xbox has Blu-Ray. As someone above me stated blu-ray is already established and more than likely most families or owners already have a separate blu-ray player.

There is no point or advantage of the next Xbox being a blu-ray player since Blu-ray is pretty old news now. And there are other formats that can store large amounts of data. Not to mention MS is really pushing for digital streaming it's one of the rumored reasons they went against Blu-Ray and backed HD/DVD.

Then again, MS has stated that they want their Xbox to be a living room center piece. And if that is the case then you would want your machine to replace most of the devices found near your television set. Which means they would want it to be a blu-ray player.
darthv72  +   1119d ago
there has been an influx of smart enabled devices that do more than just play the physical discs. I dont know what the stats are but there has been an increase in digital streaming from devices like consoles and set top boxes and the tv's themselves.

Physical distribution has declined but they have also restructured to where you more than likely wont be able to buy just a single format of a new release. It is more about value and they have found they can bundle the blu with the dvd and digital copy for just a couple bucks more.

so while many say blu is on the rise, so is the digital trend because it is coming as part of the package deal. The future will be about convenience and there is nothing more convenient than having your movie library at your fingertips or in the cloud or on your tablet or your phone or your console. Its worked for music so it can work for movies just the same.
Clarence  +   1119d ago
I didn't have to buy anything else to play movies on my PS2.
I don't think I will be purchasing the next Xbox.
madjedi  +   1119d ago
But those audio files aren't 50 gigs worth of data if you want a high quality image or high quality audio. Mp3's have been around for yrs but the still make audio cds.

Yes streaming will become more popular, but it is merely another option not heralding the death of physical media, like alot of you digital download pushers preach.

Music and books yes, owning videos not so much, renting yes. If you want to pay full price for a inferior version of a movie, knock yourself out. I'll buy the real version, in all it's glory.

And yeah i buy audio cd and rip them to my ps3, it is 100 times more convenient than putting a physical disk and waiting for it to read.

That space used is a tiny amount, so it's more practical to do it that way, since the audio loss is for my purposes negligible.

Movies that is a totally different ball game, there is a drastic quality downgrade, especially with a home theater system so no not the same.
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CommonSenseGamer  +   1119d ago
I've got a number of blurays and to be honest I hardly watch them anymore. Sure the quality is great but I prefer streaming over the net or playing direct from my HDD via the TV. So much nicer having 1000's of movies at your fingertips than a wall (or room) in your house reminiscent of a blockbuster.
BitbyDeath  +   1119d ago
Always better to have options though as not everyone has either -
a) Decent internet connection
b) Streaming service available / cost efficient
Godmars290  +   1119d ago
That's what killed Xbox1, as well as the Dreamcast, in Japan while the PS2 thrived. The only real reason it did so well was the ready to use, no hassle DVD player. The 360 fared as poorly because its DVD drive was noisy and ate discs.

Really can't believe that MS would be either so narrow minded about making their video store an only option, still be peeved about about HD-DVD vs Blu-ray, that they basically made the same mistake a third time.
CommonSenseGamer  +   1119d ago
Honestly, I have given up using my PS3 and Xbox as a media centre as they both fall short of what I wanted them to be. I got sick of waiting for updates and drivers to improve compatibility that never came. In terms of media playback you get much better value from a device like that offered by Western Digital than any console at the moment.
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Nicaragua  +   1118d ago
I use mine as a media player every night and it works a treat.
hazardman  +   1119d ago
Yeah you made some good points but I don't think they wanted to really back HD DVD. The only reason they backed it was because it used their HDi tech at the time. To bad they didn't include tho it would have saved us/developers from multi disc games.
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Parasyte  +   1119d ago
Honestly, if they choose to not include blu-ray or go the route of the original Xbox and make you buy a playback kit in order watch movies it'll be one more reason for me to buy the PS4/Orbis.
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Max-Zorin  +   1119d ago
I they use DVD again next gen, everyone is gonna laugh at them.
southernbanana  +   1119d ago
It would not matter to me. I never used my PS3 for blue-ray play back until I bought a Panasonic 3D Plasma. After a week of using the PS3 for 3D movies we purchased a stand alone Panasonic 3D Blue Ray Player. What a difference! The blue ray and 3D play back is so much better than what my PS3 is capable of. Whether it be PS4, Xbox next, or WiiU, I really have no interest in them offering Blue ray movie playback. Streaming movies is a much better feature anyway.
HeroReborn  +   1119d ago
I think the fatal flaw with blu rays are their slower read speeds yes you can fit more but you read off the disc at a much slower rate. So I hope that they stick with the DVD format but make big enough hardrives to make it mandatory that the game be placed on it to play. With that you have a lower cost to you faster read and writing speeds to the drive will be faster.

For those who support the blue day option have you ever played the last MGS reason why it took so long to load the disc to the drive was because of the slow read speeds
wenaldy  +   1119d ago
Now you can find BR player with 12x or faster.
And for the PS3, at that time they were installed with slower 2x read speed.

Ignorance Is bliss.
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HeroReborn  +   1119d ago
It's not ignorance when talking use cost, and effectiveness. Pc games although most purchases come by the way via download still come out on DVDs still today. Part of the reason Sony used that lens was to push their brand for superiority in the HD movie market, and it did its job it quickly and decisively won them the format war. I don't think 12x the lens speed will be enough given that most of these games will most likely come from the hard drive to reduce seek and load times.

But hey these little facts&truths that I'm conveying could just be as you say "blissfullness ignorance" .....
madjedi  +   1119d ago
The idea is to eliminate outdated and inefficient technology not to keep dragging it along.

Right and you do realise your talking about a first gen br drive right, definitely not old pc gamer/builder.

That is as stupid as saying you shouldn't switch from your 48x cd burner to a 6x dvd burner because the cd burner is faster.

" So I hope that they stick with the DVD format but make big enough hardrives to make it mandatory that the game be placed on it to play." Damn even sony fanboys aren't that cruel to xbox gamers.

So bad enough we are still handicapped by rotational media speeds, you want to continue to use a outdated relic from 2 console generations ago that is already limited in storage space even this gen for another 6 or 7 yrs.

Congradulations genius the only other dog shit slow device in pcs/console than dvd or br drives is the old fashioned platter hdd.

This upcoming generation is the last to use any rotational drives, if you see one on a ps5, it will be for backwards compatibility for br movies but not for ps5 games.

We used to have pc games that were on 8-10 3.5 inch floppys, why the hell would games get smaller if texture sizes are growing ever larger and games even more detailed.

Either trolling or seriously stupid because damn that's scary.
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HeroReborn  +   1119d ago
If I was trolling my opionon would come off as a bit more vulgar as most do on these forums. The very thing that people do in here is the same thing we do in industry when it comes down to making descions of how we go about making products and the its proccess of going about it. Given it is usually a more healthy and stimulating rather than poking and trying to one up someone for some likes, but still it's rather close.

But I do leave you this question, you don't think the guys and gals in R&D over in Redmond Wa didn't have a debate similar to this when designing the next Xbox?
Nicaragua  +   1118d ago
You have no idea what you are talking about.
DivineAssault  +   1119d ago
i dont care if it did or didnt.. I have a ps3 already for blu rays & will have ps4 for it too.. 720 needs exclusives other than runnin & gunnin to earn my dollar
plmkoh  +   1119d ago
Maybe...but it certainly fits into Microsoft's strategy to for online streaming entertainment. Still, online streaming is still very far behind physical media, the standard is 10mb/s with up to 5.1 audio where as Blu-rays stream at 48mb/s with choice of 7.1 audio.

There's no better way to enjoy your films.
2v1  +   1119d ago
No way the xboxlive price is going to stay the same if they get to use bluray to watch movies
hazardman  +   1119d ago
I don't see a problem with not having BRmovie playback. I usaully don't like to play my movies on the consoles anyway unless I'm renting online or something. I usually game a lot and don't need the extra console stress from playing movies too. Plus my PS3 still has blu ray and God willing Ill have a 4K ready blu ray with the PS4.
ziggurcat  +   1119d ago
that would be a very bad idea since i know a lot of people use their systems as dvd/blu-ray players as well.
Ru2011  +   1119d ago
because paying for xbox live isnt already a bit of a rip off? im thinking they need to change something there anyways with things like playstation + and the fact gamming online is free on pc ps3 and soforth. i remember my 1 st 360 and the dvd playback ..and that was retarted. no diff than people gettin mad at capcom for makin you pay for stuff already on the disc you bought.
busytoad  +   1119d ago
Oh pls scumbag microsoft put blu ray tech on your next shyty hardware and guess what,you have to pay sony for using their tech hahahahahah. Sony For the win.
StreetsofRage  +   1119d ago
Anybody that is serious about movies and hi definition wouldn't use their gaming console for their movies. Their are much better options out there.
KingKevo  +   1119d ago
Do you really think so? I mean the PS3 was and still is one of the best Blu-Ray players out there, especially at that price point. Sure there are always better options out there, but because the PS3 is the best selling player out there you can always be sure that no matter what is added to the Blu-Ray format will be supported on the console as well. And the good thing about the PS3 that it 'only does everything', so it's not JUST a Blu-Ray player, but also offers other movie related services (Movie store, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Instant Video, Mubi, etc. and lots of other stuff). I still think that a PS3 is probably the best choice for a wide range of consumers and that easily relativizes some of its deficits, like the louder noise compared to a BD only player.
chobit_A5HL3Y  +   1118d ago

that's not the point. the point is, is that it's good to have the option available to you. you'd have to be a complete moron to opt against blu-ray capability just because there are better ones on the market lolz ... your comment is just stupid :/ ...
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