BeefJack writes: What do you get when you cross a well-loved franchise with an ambitious reboot? DmC is the latest game to discover that the answer to that question is quite often the same - a Metacritic trashing.
...Now this is going too far. I understand if you hate the game to the point the names Capcom and Ninja Theory makes your blood boil. But seriously, this is immaturity at its finest.
As DmC supporters have said to prior fans "CRY MOAR" Personally I don't agree with this either, but enough of the double standard, you can't say older fans are being immature, if they act the same way as the supporters do.
I have nothing against older fans. They're entitled to their opinion. What I have a problem with is these people REPEATEDLY coming into DMC articles/reviews to remind us, like a nagging middle aged wife who just realized she married the wrong guy, of how much they dislike the game. And like a nagging wife, all they accomplish is making themselves look/sound crazy. Why devote THAT much energy to a game that you know your not interested in?
Then both sides should stop. We're all gamers here. You buy what you like to buy. No one should be telling someone don't buy this game or that game because they don't like it.
@shadow No we're not ALL gamers. This game has proven that to us. The people who refuse to play a game because of preconceived notions are not gamers. I hated this reboot when it was announced, I hated it before the demo even came out, and I was one of the people expressing disappointment...you can dig up my post history and check yourself. After i played the demo, my tune changed, I accept the game for what it is, it's an excellent reboot and i'm going to fork over my cash for it happily.
@LogicWins Think of it this way: If DmC succeeds, the franchise people loved is now dead and will be repeatedly trashed (or rather developed) by Ninja Theory and Capcom. So now instead of having to deal with one bad game, they need to deal with a trilogy or more. Put it this way: How would you feel if your favorite franchise, whatever it may be, was taken from whoever develops it, handed to a lesser developer who has shown their incompetence in the past and then makes it into something completely different. And then to make things even better, they trash talk you for voicing your disapproval. Then they mock you in game. How would you feel about that? Is this really the only industry where the people who buy products are worthless? Whatever happened to the customer is always right? From what I see everyone is bashing the people who bought the series in the first place and the ones who loved it.
"If DmC succeeds, the franchise people loved is now dead and will be repeatedly trashed (or rather developed) by Ninja Theory and Capcom." Your opinion. As a person who enjoyed DMC1 and DMC3, I ALSO enjoyed DmC. And even if DmC didn't succeed, what makes you so sure that Capcom would have reverted back to the old DMC gameplay style for the next DMC? For all we know, DmC's failure would have resulted in the ENTIRE franchise being scrapped. "How would you feel if your favorite franchise, whatever it may be, was taken from whoever develops it, handed to a lesser developer who has shown their incompetence in the past and then makes it into something completely different." Then I would find a new favorite franchise among the hundreds of thousands of pre-existing franchises...simple. "And then to make things even better, they trash talk you for voicing your disapproval. Then they mock you in game. How would you feel about that?" Would never happen because I would never voice disapproval due to me not caring. As I said before, if a game doesn't deliver what I want, I simply ignore it and move on to the next. "From what I see everyone is bashing the people who bought the series in the first place and the ones who loved it." It's a videogame, not your high school sweetheart. Your too emotionally attached to a piece of software. Find a new one that fits your tastes.
@LogicWins Please for the sake of everyone who enjoys this hobby, stop gaming. You clearly have no empathy for anyone else other than yourself.
ZombieNinjaPanda, so since you don't like Logicwins opinion he should now stop gaming? No wonder people don't take you radicals seriously. You guys want everyone to respect your opinions but are unwilling to do the same towards anyone else that may like the new game. Perhaps it is you, who wants to keep living in the past and can't seem to let go, that should give up gaming. Do you own the intellectual property? No you don't. If the movie studios want to reboot The Bad News Bears and market it at a new generation so be it, I can always watch the original. "Is this really the only industry where the people who buy products are worthless?" No, that's the power of being a consumer. You have a choice to buy it or not. "Whatever happened to the customer is always right?" First you need to be a customer. Maybe if you gave the new game a chance you might like it. "From what I see everyone is bashing the people who bought the series in the first place and the ones who loved it." No, I think people are getting sick and tired of the same old rhetoric. People are growing tired of seeing the same people spamming reviews and every article surrounding the game. Which of course will clash against those interested in the game. Start a Facebook petition or something but you're not going to get anywhere by trolling every article because not everyone agrees with you.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is the only industry where people who make products can make crap, insult their consumer base, and people like ^^^^ will defend them. What a sad time to be a gamer. Also, if I was trolling, you'd know it. Not everyone who disagrees with you or someone else is a troll.
The main problem I've had with the reboot is the rather simplistic dialogue. I mean the original DMC games did not have anything that was worthy of an academy award so I fail to see how they actually made it worse. Throwing in f bombs for shock value? I think what upset me the most was that they had a chance to remake this game into a masterpiece if they just would have sat down and thought a little more about what the series was lacking in the first place. I don't see the new Dante as an improvement, the dialogue isn't either, the combat mechanics are basically heavenly sword so that's not an improvement, there's not any sibling rivalry anymore that's a wasted opportunity. Overall the game doesn't improve on the previous iterations and I'm supposed to applaud that just because it's different?
It's not like developers didn't ask for this, from laughing at fan feedback in interviews to the in-game trolling it was destined to happen.
They even did that Easter egg when they basically ticked off old DMC fans even more http://n4g.com/news/1154876... They deserve this because they asked for this
And you really going to be upset with that scene? Get over yourself. U have no sense of humor do you?
I thought that scene was an amusing touch... Subjective I guess.
If the mere names of Capcom and Ninja Theory makes your blood boil, then wouldn't the easiest thing to do would be to mark down DmC on Metacritic? Its all really going to boil down to sales, and by fan reaction things aren't looking good. The thing to wait for and see is if sales are poor will some critics change their minds, jump on the hate bandwagon, or double down and defend their original opinions.
I don't know man. Just picked my copy up at 11:15am and there was a line of 8 of us picking up dmc. Sales won't be so bad. In fact I bet a lot of the flamers in here are in line picking it up right now.
I really don't think critics will change their minds and jump on the hate bandwagon. I've never seen it happen before and besides, most reviewers seem to be rating the developer and not the game.
ME3 and most COD titles, Skyrim. At the very least admissions of being caught up in hype, excusing issues in previews, have happened. And from most DmC previews I've seen and read there are some technical issues which should make a few reviewers handing out 5/5s and near 10/10s offer revised opinion in three to six months. Though really, if a game-breaking bug shows up as was the case in most of the above mentioned games, reversals of opinion would have to happen. Along with discussions of how games in general are reviewed.
Other games this happened to went on to do fine in sales, so I doubt this will change much. Based on the reviews the games seems to be a pretty solid game. A shame with the user reviews though. Shows you can't trust those either!
Most of them never even played the game, that's how useless these user "reviews" are
The Game is only at best 6-7 hrs long guy... Most people played thru the game last night after the midnight review... Especially being that the first 2 difficulty levels is a CAKE WALK/Easy where Nephilim is where the difficulty level starts picking up in which it's still easy.
It was destined to it but who cares? What will be the affect the game will receive? Like someone said I don't see why people put in so much energy on something they dislike. Why waste the time? But what ever makes them sleep at night I guess.
because DMC is a series we love and to see it butchered like this only pisses us off. We dislike DmC but not the series prior it. It's not like the game's a new IP or series we didn't care before the reboot about you know. Skyrim got amazing scores across the board but guess what? I didn't give a crap about it because I didn't like the game nor the series of Elder Scroll games.
wishing you said fans don't want to see the franchise butchered. Well I am a fan and DMC 2 & 4 sucked butt, the last great DMC game was 3 and that was like 9 years ago, so stop fooling yourself talking about butchered. This new game is pretty good, which makes it the first good DMC game in nearly a decade.
What's funny about the whole situation, is that all this contention between the fans and the developer is only bringing more exposure to the game and reviews themselves. The "haters" may want the game to fail, but the fervent negativity they have directed towards this game is only going to help it in the end. Think about how many times positive reviews actually get any real heat, particularly a great many of them like this game has. Hell, I personally was kind of "meh" about this game, but after noticing all the positive reaction among some sites I actually respect giving it good reviews I'm more interested in trying it. I'm probably still going to wait for a price drop though.
I don't think that'll work this time.
This is a combination of Ninja Theory acting like complete pricks (even as far back their handling of poor Heavenly Sword sales) and ignoring the community's desire. Sucker Punch listened to fans when they didn't like Cole's look. I believe the Bioshock cover was changed due to fans' complaints. Fans have always been directly linked to the success of games, and with the high price of games, even more so now. I mean, c'mon, new Dante looks like Hilary Swank from Boys Don't Cry: http://n4g.com/comments/rel... It's normal for people to be upset with that! Why would I want to buy a game that emo-feminizes one of my favorite characters? How can I enjoy it? I'm not going to do a fake bad review but I've no desire to buy the game. 12
I agree. These bad user reviews from the butt-hurt collective that wanted Dante to have white hair are beyond ridiculous... To those of you who have played the retail release and genuinely don't like it, for whatever reason, fair play to you. To the remaining 90% who hate on it without any credible reason or justification - and probably haven't even played the demo, let alone Ninja Theory's final product, you make me ashamed to be a gamer. Entitled isn't a strong enough designation for you anymore...
Ninja Theory have the right to laugh - people have no right to feel entitled to anything. At least you're getting another freaking DMC game - it's better than nothing. Not to mention that the game is awesome and totally deserving of the praise it's receiving.
The series was never in risk of doing badly. You're acting as if the old Devil May Cry was on it's dying breath. I honestly would have preferred if they just continued the current story. Saying the game is awesome is purely subjective, by the way.
No, I'm saying that the sense of entitlement people seem to feel these days is ridiculous. They rebooted the series and that's the way it is - like I said, I'd rather this than no new DMC game at all.
There's no sense of entitlement involved here. It's simply a matter of expectations. Capcom has displayed bad business sense this whole gen. Ninja Theory has only made average games. Of course fans aren't gonna like what's happening. If it's their money that allowed the series to exist this long then they have a right to be disgruntled if their expectations are shat on so heavily. I'm not gonna say this game is bad or good, but is it what I expected from being a fan of the series from day 1? Hell no, and that's why I won't buy it, because it's not what I wanted to play. Some people will take those feelings farther then others.