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Xbox 360, not Wii, to win this console generation in the U.S.

DFC Intelligence's new report forecasts more Xbox 360s sold in the US than Wiis by 2017, and the PS3 isn't even close.

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Nyxus1260d ago

'In the US' is important to note here. Looking at the worldwide sales, it is actually very likely that the PS3 will overtake the Xox 360 soon, and Microsoft's console will end up in last place. At least as far as consoles sold goes.

berndogskate1260d ago

Already has in worldwide sales )

mr_kubrick1259d ago

IDC says yes
NPD Group says no

choose your poison....wait i know what u choose

wishingW3L1259d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

@mr_kubrick

IDC = World Wide sales

NPD = just North America

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guitarded771259d ago

So winning == sales??? I'm not denying any of the consoles, but everyone talks about console sales, but never mentions attach rate and overall number of games sold.

Let's say a consoles have a 20% profit margin, but software has a 60% profit margin. Console A can sell 1 million units, and console B 500k units. But console A only sells 3 pieces of software per console, and console B sells 10 pieces of software per console.

There is a lot more to SALES than just SALES. And there's a lot more to success than just SALES. So sick of the SALES pissing match 10 times a week around here. Sales should matter to investors, gamers should be more concerned with games. The only reason sales are important to gamers is because it means more support from devs making games.

AngelicIceDiamond1259d ago

@Skate Shipments WW. People need to buy the console not the stores.

dredgewalker1259d ago

Can't we all just be happy that all our favorite consoles are selling well? Going by numbers this generation has the highest number of consoles sold and it shows that the market is still healthy. All three can co-exist in this market.

mcstorm1259d ago

The way I look at it is Nintendo have had the best console sales as the Wii Wowed the public like the Iphone did when it came out but its numbers have been dropping for the last few years and software sales were mixed as 1st party games sold well and only some 3rd party ones.

MS imo have had the best Gen out the 3 because at the beginning of this gen no one thought they could push out Sony in any way shape or form yet if you look at the sales numbers of the 360 it has walked all over the Xbox sales. Xbox is now a brand name and it managed to get a grip of the core market at the start and then eat into Nintendo's none core market with Kinect. Most of the 3rd party games sell more on the 360 to and a lot are created for the 360 and ported to the PS3.

For me Sony have been the biggest losers this gen as with the PSX and PS2 they walked all over Nintendo, Sega and Microsoft and I think because of that they thought the PS brand was bigger than it was. They had a very bad start and sales were very slow. Did not have many AAA exclusives out of the block and was way to expensive for the none core to buy when the Wii and 360 were at a lower price. Move was a flop to but im glad Sony messed up at the start as it has made them go back to the drawing board and see that they now need to offer some AAA exclusives and have given some amazing games like UC and LBP and in doing this they have managed to get the sales up to match and over take the 360 week by week in Europe and Match maybe even over take them in total sales but will have to wait for MS and Sony to give us the official numbers.

But the reason why I say sony where the biggest losers is because of the hold they had on the market with the PSX and PS2 as the PS3 dose not have this. Its sold very well and Sony have done well to get the numbers up to.

For me I cant wait for Sony and Microsoft to join Nintendo in the Next gen as I think the next gen will be even closer than this one in terms of all 3 selling around about the same number of consoles.

Once thing this gen has done is its shown us there is room for 3 big names in the console business and no matter if you a Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo fan boy you have to say having all 3 pushing each other every year and every gen makes it better for us gamers Core and none core in the long run.

badz1491259d ago

that's a LONG time from now and probably Nintendo might have already released their next Wii by then!

Ult iMate1259d ago

It's like a weather vane: "PS3 is falling behind in third place! Oh, it isn't already? It's "sales don't matter" then! Oh, it contradicts with what we said for the last six years? Then change the course for "it's only US sales matter"!"

ChrisW1259d ago

What's better than being 1st or 2nd in the Special Olympics?

Not qualifying for the Special Olympics!

sikbeta1259d ago

X360 = 1st in America = Almost there: -1m to pass Wii

X360 = 2nd WW = Fact -> PS3 still doesn't overtake X360 in sales, but it's getting closer

Wii = 1st WW = Still

SolidStoner1259d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

just for the information..

In my country (Latvia) people buy x box console more not because its better, but because you can play pirated games on it.. but on ps3 you cant.. so there's that... 70% console here are x box just for that alone reason (no one plays xbox online here, we cant afford that in this country)... (the idea is that no one cares about games anymore, mainstream auditory is interested for casual games, low price and easy to use..)
Sales dosnt mean anything, people buy many cheap slow cars, does it makes them better somehow? no!
I own ps3 if you wonder..

B1663r1259d ago

Sales forecasts are not sales results. For that IDC FORCAST to be correct, the PS3 had to have its best Christmas season ever, which it did not, it had its worst Christmas season ever.

No worries though, when Microsoft announces their real numbers in about two weeks, and Sony obfuscates their numbers again by combining them with ps2 numbers, we will all know the score.

hotrider121259d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

i believe IDC report of sales worldwide sales more believable.

SPAM-FRITTER-1231259d ago

I thought it was confirmed World Wide SHIPPED. NOT Sales.

Amiroo1259d ago

shipment not sales.
over 76millions PS3 shipped worldwide and near 76 millions 360 sold to costumers in the world, it could be still 2 to 5 millions difference

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VINNIEPAZ1260d ago

'In the US' is important to note here.

Yeah Im sure WE CAN READ that, why do you feel the need to point it out? Stupid article anyways as all the systems are "winning"

The big 3 are not stopping anytime soon

EddieNX 1260d ago

Why does he need to point that out?

Because the tiles is missleading and says ''xbox 360 to win generation not wii'' . That title doesn't say just in the US as it should.

Nyxus1259d ago

Like Kingofwiiu said, the title is misleading.

jimbobwahey1260d ago

Yeah, it's certainly an interesting attempt at twisting the fact that as of right now, Microsoft is in last place for the second console generation in a row.

Of course that could change as time progresses, but since Microsoft dropped the original Xbox as soon as the 360 launched, and is already showing signs of abandoning the 360 to prepare for the launch of the next Xbox (given the massive drought in support for the console this year, amongst other things) it doesn't look good.

Microsoft does not support old hardware the same way that Sony does. Whereas the PS2 was still well-supported after the launch of the PS3, Microsoft completely abandoned the original Xbox and gave the adopters of their first console the finger. To think that the Xbox 360 will continue to shift units well into 2017 is wishful thinking at best.

AngelicIceDiamond1259d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

To be fair MS had a reason to drop the original Xbox. Beyond their 1st party smash hit Halo 2, 3rd party devs didn't really support the Xbox I remember certain games not releasing or coming out much later on the Xbox (GTA). Overall lack of support and very slows sales didn't help it either. It is amazing how MS pratically said "erase that, lets try it again." Attitude.

The Xbox 360 is whole different ball game. Great third party support, a hand full of exclusives that sale very well and a streamlined unified online service. And 10X more supported than the original Xbox ever was. I can realistically see MS supporting the 360 at least a year or less than a year in a half.

Now with that being said, this little prediction chart is a little unrealistic. Why would people in the U.S (or in the world rather) continue to buy a 360 when they know they have to pay to play? People might as well pick up the 720 and possibly get way more out of it?

nukeitall1259d ago

@jimbobwahey:

"Microsoft does not support old hardware the same way that Sony does."

You mean like how Sony poorly supports the PSP Go?

Let's get straight to the facts, the only history Sony has is pretty much of successful products when it comes to the Playstation console except for the last one. See Sony f'up PSP Go and they did the same darn thing as MS, just worse.

Sony is just as apt to pull support if the product is no longer profitable or makes sense in a business strategy. They are no more a saint than MS is.

@AngelicIceDiamond:

"Why would people in the U.S (or in the world rather) continue to buy a 360 when they know they have to pay to play? People might as well pick up the 720 and possibly get way more out of it?"

The same reason consumers have been paying to play all this time?

If anything, the NPD numbers showed that MS outsold both competitors combined this Holiday. That is some serious strength and MS still have plenty of room to drop the price, but they don't have to.

Consumers are saying "we are willing to pay more for your product and pay to use the product than other competing products available".

kenshiro1001259d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

"If anything, the NPD numbers showed that MS outsold both competitors combined this Holiday. That is some serious strength and MS still have plenty of room to drop the price, but they don't have to.

Consumers are saying "we are willing to pay more for your product and pay to use the product than other competing products available"."

Proof? The last I heard, the PS3 was beating the 360 worldwide.

PJF_Josh1259d ago

jimbobwahey has is right.

@nukeitall: Explain your reasoning please
"You mean like how Sony poorly supports the PSP Go?"
"See Sony f'up PSP Go and they did the same darn thing as MS, just worse."

Games are still being made and released in digital format for the PSP/PSP go. The PlayStation store has a dedicated PSP section with 839 games (and counting) available for the system. You can still buy memory cards, you can still buy games. The only thing it doesn't take is UMD's and we all knew that going in.

Sony never dropped support for the PSP Go. They discontinued the model, but that's not even close to the same as discontinuing support for the system. You can still buy one off eBay today and have access to over 800 games on the PlayStation store through the PS3 or the Go itself. That's a well supported system by any definition.

Does it have every title ever made for the PSP? No and it was never going to. It was an experiment, an attempt to see if a purely digital delivery device was possible at that stage of the game. They learned through resistance from a number of publishers and consumers that no, people weren't ready for that yet. That's why the PS Vita exists in the form that it does, a mix of digital services and physical cards.

1Victor1259d ago

@nukeitall your logic make no sense sure pick on the go that wasn't a new hardware but a attempt to go digital only witch costumers didn't like in price. Thanks to that mistake Sony learned that digital only wasn't the answer and now the vita got both on day one. Anyways enjoy the "win in the U.S" if that makes you sleep better at night but remember that "THE U.S IS NOT THE WORLD" stay trolling my friend like the Mets fans say "there's always next year/ gen

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Thatguy-3101260d ago

Honestly no console really lost. Ye they do have the margin of who sold more but each held there grown respectfully. No one got demolished like the past two gens. If that would have been the case then yea one console would have "won" but in the end they sold respectfully and that's what counts. In my opinion No one was left behind.

soxfan20051259d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

Did a recent report surface that shows the Gamecube passed the Xbox last generation? If it did, I must have missed it.

I don't know what's sadder - the fact that you have to post an outright lie in an attempt to make the Xbox brand look bad, or the fact that people actually agree with you. Just goes to show the minimal level of gaming knowledge among the masses here on N4G.

How can you accuse anyone of twisting facts when you don't even know what the facts are?

Rainstorm811259d ago

I don't know why u are getting disagrees , clearly the GameCube sold the worst out of the big three last gen.

greenpowerz1259d ago

NAH.The trend is worldwide although not as great as the us. I bet money that bs report saying PS3 pulled ahead will be disproven by MSFT and Sony's own report.

you guys did this last year when the companies own reports said the 360 won Worldwide yet PS3 fans ignored them and a week later it was as if the true reports never happen with Sony fans using vgc and other reports to claim PS3 was winning.

No one believes PS3 passed the 360(except PS3 fanboys, pro Sony media/data firms). Selling 5 million in a few months alone in one region makes the theory of PS3 passing the 360 comical at best

OMGitzThatGuy1259d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

I don't see how PS3 fans can still go around saying it outsold the 360 when the numbers clearly says "shipped".
shipped =/= sold if it was there wouldn't be 2 seperate sets of numbers.
And if that was the case then if a dev ships 5 million units of a game and it sells 200k copies that dev will be praised. No.

adorie1259d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

Nailed.
"you guys did this last year when the companies own reports said the 360 won Worldwide yet PS3 fans ignored them and a week later it was as if the true reports never happen with Sony fans using vgc and other reports to claim PS3 was winning."

So,which returning account are you?, as they put it on this site? PowerOfGreen? LOL. (Joined 16 Jun 2012 (211d ago )

Sales! The new game this generation, hopefully it doesn't go into next gen, but I don't care either way, I enjoy playing games more than talking about them.

nukeitall1259d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

It's more than that, it's undisclosed how those market share numbers were obtained and suggest it was an estimation. Because the numbers are so close, it is within the margin of error alone.

Essentially there is no way to verify that report. That report sounds more like one of those "PS3 will overtake Xbox 360 at launch" type articles by analysts i.e. an extrapolation.

That also means avoid sites like vgchartz.
I think it is better to wait for the official numbers reported by each company or at a minimum by a trusted source like NPD that discloses how they obtain their numbers.

YodaCracker1259d ago

This is not the first time a report has said the PS3 passed the 360 worldwide. Check out this one back in early 2011:

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

It's pretty much the same thing happening again with IDC's new projection that the PS3 has passed the 360 as of the beginning of 2013. Now check out this cute little prediction IDC released back in 2008:

http://img.photobucket.com/...

Ha, that image speaks for itself! As for IDC's new projection, to meet their projected sales numbers, the PS3 would have had to have its best Q4 in history while all sales numbers show the PS3 down well over last year, along with every other home console. In other words, it's not possible.

Once Microsoft and Sony release their Q4 2013 sales reports, the IDC report will be forgotten just like all those similar reports in the past. Although it's becoming harder and harder to pinpoint PS3 sales, with Sony now combining PS2 and PS3 shipments into one number as to further mask their real sales.

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Demobot1259d ago

At this point it doesn't matter where the 360 finishes. The 360 had already made a monster spot for itself.

ElementX1259d ago

Most countries don't have official numbers. I don't see how anyone can know who is ahead until Sony releases official numbers, which they are reluctant to do it seems.

jivah1259d ago

These companies are fairly accurate. They have to be. Its mostly for investor relations. And a legitimate analysis company falsely throwing out numbers can result in some deep shit

user39158001259d ago

Always people trolling for no reason, does not matter who wi or loose I had fun with all3 consoles... If we are looking at console sale wii won worldwide, if we look at who made the most money from this Gen, than MS made the most money of them 3, fact look at income gain per company. There is no looser, but the 1 who lost the most this gen was sony.

DiRtY1259d ago

Well it all comes down to the definition of winning.

Sony lost 3-4 billion USD with the PS3.
MS made 1-2 billion USD with the Xbox 360.
Nintendo made even more money with the Wii.

MS could have bundled 40 million Xbox 360s with every happy meal, if they only went for market share like Sony did.

Same for the Wii. Even more so.

So all these "OMG SONY MADE A GREAT COMEBACK!" is just meh when you see beyond the number of sales.

Just_The_Truth1259d ago

Ps3 came with wifi, free online, a motion controller(6-axis), a BLU RAY player(which cost over $700 at the launch of the ps3), a removable hard-drive upgradable to 1TB, HDMI port, Flash card readers and gets a ton of great exclusives like Uncharted.......So who won? THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT A PS3

callahan091259d ago

As someone who lives in the US, I'm always shocked at how well the 360 does here. I don't even know that many people that have an Xbox, most people I know have a PS3. But you can just tell from watching TV and movie, and from listening to people talk, that Americans seem to be all about the Xbox and Xbox Live. Frankly, I don't really get it. I understand that its popularity is sort of pushed along by the fact that it's popular. Like, popularity begets further popularity, like a perpetual motion machine of ever increasing popularity, because when someone gets it, they sign up for Xbox Live, and tell their friends they can be found there, so their friends get it too, and it spreads.

It's probably the same reason why if you know people with PS3, then you know more people with PS3, because it spreads in that same way; it just so happens that 360 got off to a great start in America and the PS3 did not, so the 360 has been spreading for longer and from a larger starting base... it's almost like its growth is exponential.

I feel like the PS3 is the smarter buy, because it is more of an all-in-one media hub with the blu-ray player built in, and because you don't have to pay a dime for the online play. Some 360 owners have probably spent 300-400 dollars on Xbox Live subscription fees since they've owned it.

fr0sty1259d ago

This is about as pointless as saying:

THIS JUST IN!!! Wii Fit declared best selling game ever (among 40+ yr. old married females with brown hair and at least one dog)...

Rainstorm811259d ago

Best selling? It must be the best game ever!!!!!

dedicatedtogamers1259d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

Nintendo has abandoned the Wii rather ungracefully. I would compare it to how Microsoft dumped the original Xbox. Therefore, "teh casuals" are pretty much done with the Wii and looking for another fix. If/when the 360 surpasses the Wii, I wouldn't so much chalk that up as "excellent job, Microsoft!". I would put it more like "shame on you, Nintendo, for abandoning your customers. Nice work, Microsoft, offering Nintendo's old customers a shiny new toy for a few months".

Oh, look! The 360! It can go online and I can dress up my 3d doll character and I can chat with friends and play Dance games and chat with my friends and go on Facebook?!? And, I can chat with my friends! Mommy, I want one!

The US is on the forefront of online social media. We are obsessed with Facebook, foursquare, Twitter, etc. Xbox Live is on the forefront of console social media integration. So, it comes as no big surprise that the system is thriving.

However, based on the diminishing number of exclusive titles and the diminishing sales of games on the 360, it should be clear as to WHAT the system is actually being used for.

donman11259d ago

It already has in global sales. Nice that Microsoft finally like Sony own their own territory... But thats about it.

nosferatuzodd1259d ago

I concur but don't tell those delusional Microsoft high horse type of people that .

Cam9771259d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

You stated a fact, lol @ Xbox fanboys getting butthurt over the console's failure.

princejb1341259d ago

People have to consider also things more than just sales
Also have to consider the games on the consoles
After all with don't play the hardware sales but the games we enjoy that make the console worth purchasing

andrewsqual1259d ago

What is that 5 per person?

imdaboss11259d ago

First place would be the wii and 2nd goes to the PS3..It terms of sales world wide PS3 over take the 360 ..

World Wide
1st Wii
2nd PS3
3rd 360

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DA_SHREDDER1260d ago

Microsoft wins, gamers lose.

TheRealHeisenberg1259d ago

We all lose every time we bother to read one of your comments.

GribbleGrunger1260d ago (Edited 1260d ago )

'Xbox 360, not Wii, to win this console generation'

To win this generation the 360 would have to be the best selling console in WW sales, NOT just America. Clearly the writer has 'accidentally' overlooked that in the headline. I could write exactly the same article and use Japan in the same way, but I wouldn't do that, even if it did suit my purposes. It will have caught up by 2017 in America according to this article ... 2017!! Four years from now! And yet the media are telling us that it doesn't matter that the PS3 will catch up with the 360 'this year'.

Shoe/Other foot.

jmac531260d ago

How did the writer overlook anything when the title clearly states "in the U.S.". The article is clearly focused on the US market. If you want to include worldwide states write your own article. I live how xenophilic people get when it comes to the console wars.

GuyManDude1259d ago

"in the US" isn't in the title of this article on gamesindustry.biz or on N4G. It's in a heading afterwards, but not the title.

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kevnb1260d ago

define win? nintendo was making money day 1

zebramocha1260d ago (Edited 1259d ago )

In the long run this forced them to release the wiiu earlier,unless this was their plan but I don't think so because they weren't making as much money with the wii.

specsmatter1260d ago

Yes and gamers lost on that end because Nintendo sold an underpowered unit to make complete profit and gamers were stuck with horrendous ports, regurgitated ips and alot of shovel ware. Please define win?

TheRealHeisenberg1259d ago

It was a win because it brought in new gamers. Sure they were "casuals" but they are gamers none the less.

The only loss I see is MS's shift of focus over to Kinect. I bought one for the wife and kids and it has not been turned on or plugged in for over 6 months. They liked it for while but it got old. We never tried Move because it just seemed like a "me too/Wii 2" sort of thing. At least Sony continues to bring plenty of core games to the plate. Hopefully MS will pick things back up on that front next gen.

Theyellowflash301259d ago

Wii got more core first party Nintendo games than the GameCube... and thats fact. If you didn't like the Wii thats cool but to say gamers lost is stupid. Gamers can own another system to fill the gaps.

ElectricKaibutsu1259d ago

Nintendo makes a profit on things they sell? What a terrible company!

Speak for yourself "gamers lost". I went the Wii/PS3 route and continue to have a great time with both.

Biased fanboys like you that miss out on great games are the true losers.

Rainstorm811259d ago

The Wii control scheme was the problem for me, I don't want want to be forced into motion controls when I all I want to do is sit back and play Mario or Zelda.

Which is pretty much why I picked up a Wii-U at launch because nintendo's 1st party games will be more enjoyable with the Wii game pad than the wii mote .

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