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Submitted by lifesanrpg 684d ago | opinion piece

Dear Tomb Raider: Be yourself, not Uncharted

GameZone's Stephanie Carmichael writes, "As much as I love Nathan Drake, who for all I know went to sleep every night dreaming of Lara’s adventures, he will never be the kind of hero that Lara was to me. That’s why I’m disappointed that Lara’s grand debut this spring is more reminiscent of Naughty Dog’s Uncharted than the old series I know and love. " (PC, PS3, Tomb Raider, Xbox 360)

Da Ill One  +   684d ago
Nice opinion piece but Uncharted CLEARLY was inspired heavily by Tomb Raider. And not the other way around.
Nitrowolf2  +   684d ago
Eh I think the treasure Idea was, but there's a lt of stuff in Uncharted that makes it different, yet we know that it grabs from other titles and mashes them beautifully together. Naughty Dog has admitted it already that it has taken inspriation from many titles, including Tomb Raider, and now the devs behind Tomb Raider have come out to say the same, being inspired by Uncharted.

I don't see anything wrong with this, and honestly it's great to see developers taking from such acclaimed titles and trying to do better. It'll only force better competition to appear between the two. Unhcarted has a story, and its one that reminds gamers why Single-player is such a great experience.
Belking  +   684d ago
Can't argue that. Even a few devs at naughty dog came from crystal dynamics. Tomb Raider is Uncharted with boobs and Uncharted is Tomb Raider with balls....lol

I do think TR is gonna be a hit though. The game looks great.
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Ezz2013  +   683d ago
i think you have no idea about uncharted games if you think it's the same as tomb raider
go on and name all the things you think uncharted share with old TR games
i have played every TR games to date and every uncharted game

platforming ?? no
gunplay ?? no
story ?? no
set pieces ?? no
puzzles ?? TR was not the first to do that
and even then the puzzles are far from the same

and she can't swim lol

then what ??
apart from the style
which is going after treasure
they share nothing in commen
but this new TR is a re-skin uncharted with lower gfx and very bad animation

i think you have never played uncharted game before
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HarryMasonHerpderp  +   684d ago
Uncharted plays NOTHING like a Tomb Raider game.
There is obvious inspiration with the themes but the new Tomb Raider game has taken the GAMEPLAY from Uncharted.
This is not Tomb Raider.
Tomb Raider is not about regen health.
Quick time events.
Lack of swimming levels?
Multiplayer and action set pieces.

Seriously people don't seem to understand this.
Did anyone actual play Tomb Raider 1-5? they were basically puzzle games and very rarely did you even see an enemy, you would solve a puzzle and open up some awesome looking location and some badass music would kick in, the atmosphere was amazing in those games.
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Blastoise  +   684d ago
I agree. Uncharted is a third person shooter first and an adventure game second. Where as Tomb Raider was more focused on exploration.

Why don't people understand this? I don't remember collecting medkits and fighting tigers/dinosaurs in Uncharted...
EVILDEAD360  +   684d ago
Did you play the latter ones? The game got knocked later on because it became more about being a shooter that the exploration. She met dinosoars in the original, but by Legend it was about villains and two guns blazing.

Any Tomb Raider fan knew where the inspiration initially came from with the original Uncharted, but Nathan's game movie the genre forward in a huge way by taking the best of other game techniques learned in other games and a few of its own to bring something fresh to the table.

Tomb Raiders update has every right to update the series as will with what has worked with the genre this gen.
Quiescent  +   684d ago
i agree but damn the tone of your sentence seems mad
Irishguy95  +   684d ago
....

Ah Ok

Uncharted was inspired by Tomb raider...with regards too...you know the setting and idea behind it. But the gameplay was totally it's own/

Tomb Raider has now copied Uncharted. Quite literally copied it.

There's a line between inspiration and copying.

Anyone who tries to argue Uncharted was not inspired by Indiana Jones/Tomb Raider etc. Is just being a fanboy and should be ignorned. Again though. It's not black and white, Uncharted was inspired, Tomb raider took more than inspiration from Uncharted. Both parties are sorta in the bin with regards to inspiration off other companies. But Uncharted gets leeway on it because it only took inspiration

I'm just wondering how good of copy is the new tomb raider? Can it stand up as a spin off to uncharted(lol)
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Nimblest-Assassin  +   684d ago
Actually Uncharted is more inspired by Indiana Jones than Tomb Raider, infact the best way to describe uncharted is Indiana Jones directed by Joss Whedon.

But the gameplay in previous tomb raiders and uncharted were totally different. The only similarity the games had was the platforming, which so many other third person games like Prince of Persia used.

Uncharted was primarily a third person shooter, where as tomb raider was more about platforming... even though uncharted did platforming much better and tomb raider underworld adopted uncharteds platforming, as you always needed to hold a button to stay on a platform.

And combat in tomb raider were all forced archaic confrontations where you don't have verticallity but must instead flip around and use the games auto aim to defeat enemies.

And if anything the story of tomb raider is bonkers as f***. I mean they added angels and demons, egyptian and norse gods. If anything Uncharted and Indiana Jones are more grounded, where as tomb raider is more devil may cry

So yeah, asides from how the platforming looked, the games have very little in common.

Trust me, buy the games of steam and you will see that it and uncharted have very little in common
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Root  +   684d ago
For goodness sake

Uncharted WAS NOT inspired by Tomb Raider, it was inspired mostly by action adventure films like Indiana Jones because a cinematic approach is what ND were going for.

The only reason they look similar is because of the platforming but how else are you supposed to do realistic platforming, it's not like ND can make Nathan Drake do a double jump because it's not like their past cartoon like games Crash and Jak. Lara's platforming has been used in other games because it's the only way to do it, Prince of Persia did it and other games.....how else are you supposed to climb something, you grab onto something and pull yourself up...that's it

Uncharted is a third person shooter action adventure game with puzzle elements while Tomb Raider was third person shooter puzzle game with action elements.

I feel like people only repeat what's been said by those obsessed Tomb Raider fan girls who are bitter that Nathan Drake has stolen Lara Crofts platforming crown.

"Sure, Drake would find artifacts, but he never went through the trials that Lara did to find them. He never slayed dragons, combated violent monks, wrestled with bears, braved pyramids and mummies, outsmarted centaurs, or evaded Thor’s lightning"

Well considering Uncharted is more of a realistic games with the odd supernatural elements here and there. Drake has fought off mutated Spaniards, hardened guardians, survived a train crash while he had been shot, a cruise liner that's capsized as he was stuck on the bottom deck, a bloody plane crash and wave after wave of enemies that have tried to kill him.

...just saying, I think he's went through as much as Lara.
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Enemy  +   684d ago
Naughty Dog took inspiration from hollywood films, for the most part. Uncharted, as mentioned above, plays nothing like Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider didn't even invent treasure hunting, so what the hell are you people even talking about? The new Tomb Raider doesn't play like Tomb Raider, it plays like Uncharted, and that's the problem. They could have easily tried something fresh instead.
Godmars290  +   684d ago
Uncharted was inspired by Indiana Jones, pulp novels and 40's matinee cinemas. Same as Tomb Raider. Both had their own identities, only with this reboot TR comes off as borrowing from Saw.
miyamoto  +   684d ago
With all due respect do some history research first before you make conclusions.
I disagree with your analysis.

And its time to bust this mythical mentality.

Uncharted series was a platforming evolution of Sonic the Hedgehog, to Crash Bandicoot to Jak & Daxter designed by Hirokazu Yasuhara.

He then joined Naughty Dog, working on the Jak and Daxter series and 'Uncharted', collaborating once more with former Sega employee Mark Cerny.

Sonic the Hedgehog (1991) — Director, Game Planner, Project
Fatal Labyrinth (1991) — Director, Game Planner
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (1992) — Director, Game Planner, Object Placement, Project
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (1994) — Director, Lead Game designer
Sonic & Knuckles (1994) — Director, Lead Game designer
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles (1994) — Director, Lead Game designer
Sonic 3D Blast (1995) — Playfield Design, Saturn Enhancements
Sonic Xtreme (1996) — Head Designer

Jak 2 (2003) — Game Designer
Jak 3 (2004) — Game Designer
Jak X: Combat Racing (2005) — Game Designer
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (2007) — Game Designer
Afro Samurai (2009) — Special Thanks
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (2009) — Game Designer
Pac-Man Party (2010) — Lead Game Design
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception (2011) — Game Designer

You see the evolution of Uncharted?
This list itself shows us what Uncharted really is made of.

Hirokazu Yasuhara is a master of platforming games up there with Shigeru Miyamoto.
Respect.
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Squall5005  +   684d ago
It's quite a weird one isn't it?

Uncharted was definitely influenced by Tomb Raider but apart from 'The Guardian of Light' the Tomb Raider series has been a bit stagnant for the past few years.

Uncharted took the basic Tomb Raider concepts and reinvented it and made it an awesome current generation classic.

Now Crystal Dynamics have made the right decision to reboot the Tomb Raider series and make Lara relevant again for the current generation (huge tits and tiny shorts is a bit 90's). They have obviously taken influence from Naughty Dog and that's no bad thing. The game is looking pretty damn promising to me.

So Naughty Dog took inspiration from Tomb Raider and now Crystal Dynamics are taking inspiration from Uncharted.

We get great games. Everyone wins.
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specsmatter  +   684d ago
ummmm bs pitfall/TREASURE hunter on atari games srted tht way before. Not to mention hundreds of movies before.
All games share concepts through gaming , movies or real life but its another thng to blatantly mimic somethng and try to make it the same. When you see tomb raider mp it has uc mp stamped on it frm two guys looking like drake an sully, to dynamic sandstorms to graphics.
specsmatter  +   684d ago
ummmm bs pitfall/TREASURE hunter on atari games srted tht way before. Not to mention hundreds of movies before.
All games share concepts through gaming , movies or real life but its another thng to blatantly mimic somethng and try to make it the same. When you see tomb raider mp it has uc mp stamped on it frm two guys looking like drake an sully, to dynamic sandstorms to graphics.
Savader  +   683d ago
Actually, Uncharted was inspired by Indiana Jones. They even originally modeled and based Nathan Drake's looks off of Harrison Ford. Naughty Dog has stated this themselves on a few occasions. Only reason why people like to compare it with Tomb Raider, is because it's pretty much the TR of today, in terms of plot and adventure. Only big differences are the fact that Nate isn't a hot British chick with ridiculously huge breasts, nor does he dual-wield pistols.

But what this person was saying was not that the original Tomb Raider was inspired by Uncharted, but rather the NEW Tomb Raider was. I don't fully agree on that, but it does have similar aspects. Many game developing studios, as of late, have been altering their style, in order to try and get the same appeal that fans of great series such as Uncharted have. On that, I 100% agree. Studios should stick with what's always worked for them. Unless you're Activision. Because seriously, everyone's tired of paying for the same game every year. O.O Bottom line; if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Tomb Raider was always awesome because it was Tomb Raider, not because it was Uncharted, or any other game. When they first announced this title, I was excited for a really good survival game. But as time passed, the developers started leaning more and more towards other studios' ideas and appeals. It went from what was supposed to be a hardcore survival experience, to a dark and bloody version of Uncharted. I'm still, of course, going to buy this game. I'm a Tomb Raider fan, through and through, however my overall excitement for what it was initially supposed to be has deteriorated since its announcement. And don't get me started on how idiotic of an idea it was to introduce multiplayer into the game. *sigh* Anyway, I'm done with MY rant. Let's hear someone else now :)
TopDudeMan  +   684d ago
Hey, I wouldn't have a problem if it tried to be uncharted. As long as it did a good job of it.
shammgod  +   684d ago
Exactly, if its a good game who gives a sh@t.
DivineAssault  +   684d ago
i really like the Uncharted series & didnt care much for the Tomb raider ones.. This new one looks good tho.. Just not sure if itl end up as good as it seems to look.. Hopefully im wrong
jakmckratos  +   684d ago
No guys you got it all wrong Uncharted was inspired by Tomb Raider and Uncharted INSPIRED Tomb Raider along with the old Tomb Raiders... Uncharted is it's own grandpa!!

No but seriously this game looks great and has a lot different from Uncharted while still presenting quite a few noticeable influences.
nikrel  +   684d ago
i'm passing on this game.
Kos-Mos  +   684d ago
A little too late to change the game now I think...
OmniSlashPT  +   684d ago
The first Uncharted was heavily influenced by TR, but ND has given the series its own personality and identity. It's an action/adventure rollercoaster cinematic blockbuster. It's more of the likes of Indiana Jones, Die Hard and James Bond than of TR and Lara Croft. And this TR has been heavily influenced by UC2/3, that's a given.

I just don't feel TR has an identity of its own anymore, its trying to be new with action set pieces and a cinematic feel, but tries to get the puzzling and exploration of the past, but this Lara doesnt feel like the Lara we know, the environments don't feel like the tombs and temples we've known and even the MP looks completely ripped off from UC.

It's a shame, because I'm genuinly excited about it and I want it to be great, but I'm afraid it'll just be ok and a disappointment to many.
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Kingthrash360  +   684d ago
Tomb raider is in its evolution stage (again) right now. Both games share the same genre so there will obviously be some similaritys. I think its a good thing for tomb raider. Deep cinematic story's are always good, and to play out how she became a tomb raiding bad ass is even better. IMO its uncharted who took inspieration from tomb raider first and now tomb raider will do the same. They will be different games just in direct comparison a la CODvsBF or MariovsSonic.
FreshRevenge  +   684d ago
You know I don't get it with the Uncharted/Tomb Raider comparisons. Frankly Uncharted is overhyped and not as great as people make it out to be. I got this game on preorder and can't wait for it to come out!
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FunAndGun  +   684d ago
So Uncharted is overhyped but you can't wait for the game that resembles Uncharted the most?

That makes perfect sense.
specsmatter  +   684d ago
ummmm bs pitfall/TREASURE hunter on atari games srted tht way before. Not to mention hundreds of movies before.
aim4dabushiz  +   684d ago
saw this problem in the TR announcement trailer.
ShaunCameron  +   683d ago
It might when its developers stop apologizing for all the previous Lara Croft character designs.
PirateThom  +   683d ago
The only reason Uncharted got compared to Tomb Raider, often negatively, was because it released in 2007 and owning a PS3 in 2007 was an act of treason.

It was easier to dismiss it as "Dude Raider" than accept the PS3 might have a good game.

Uncharchick is closer to Unhcarted than Dude Raider ever was to Tomb Raider.

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