Having the PlayStation 4 cost around $700, it would make it last a lot longer in the field and games would pretty much always be ahead of the competition (excluding PC most of the time). If someone can spend more than that on an iPad, a console should be able to charge that much, right?
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My statement that their different media still stands and can't be compared. Rather we like it or not games are still geared towards kids thus the higher price doesn't compute. At least with blu-ray you have a larger install base, say adults movie lovers from age 30-70, 40 years. This is vs a kid ratio of say 18-30 which is only 20 year demographic.
Again it's not the cost I'm against, I just think trying to Justify it via comparing them like we do isn't justified given the different media and demographics targeted.
People must want sony to crash from the highest mountains and into the pits of hell lol.
I'm sure there are some of you willing to dish out that much but let's be real,599-699$ wouldn't cater to the market nowadays.
399-499$max seems like a reasonable move.
Tbh when it comes down to it games are what everyone wants,high end tech is just icing on the cake.Sony just needs to make a decently spec'd system with a good amount of support and consider me on the ps4 train :)
But I'd be stupid to actually pay that much for it.
But there is another problem with making an expensive consoles besides the obvious one. The problem is that the rate of change in tech is accelerating so any hardware will be obsolete much faster than in the past. So it may be better to make a cheaper console and just assume a shorter lifespan.
The differences in the markets are more down to what is needed, and what is considered frivolous. In today's society many people can't imagine being without a cell phone. A tablet is an extension of that. It fills a place in people's lifestyle. It of course isn't needed per se, however it does add significant value to those peoples lives to have those kinds of things convenient to them. It's the same reason frozen microwave dinners, even though less healthy than a home cooked meal, took off in the 80's and 90's, because all of a sudden people's lives just became busier, along with a lot of other social status changes for the modern home.
Consoles, or gaming in general, is still a luxury past time. At the end of the day it doesn't have that same necessity to most people's lives to warrant spending the same as they would on say a tablet.
Companies charge 700 bucks for tablets and phones for no other reason than people are willing to pay it - being made for 60 cents an hour in Foxcon in China, is anyone really naive enough to think it cost anymore than 20 bucks to make an iphone? The cost comes in the massive marketing campaigns, which get people nuts about the phones/tablets, which is why they're willing to pay 700 bucks for one.
The average gamer is in their 30's evidently, so the stupid argument about price is nonsense. It doesn't matter what the price is at launch, every console ever is extremely hard to find in the first 8 months to a year due to selling out practically everywhere, lowering the price does nothing for you if you're selling out left right and center.
As it is now ,I am a ps3/pc gamer, but there is no way I would pay that kind of money.
Tech is tech.
iPad is a tablet. Is it necessary for daily life no. Then again neither is a console.
There are actually quite a few people that prefer to not have an Apple product.
Personally $400-$500 is what I expect the next consoles to aim for either way, but I could easily see tech pushing $625 or more for production costs for next generation. $700 is not unreasonable.
People are wiser these days to smarter technology which is a part of the reason why anyone does pay more than $800 for a Cell phone. Its got a bit of every new tech convenience in it. Same for a console.
EDIT: forget about that IPad... everyone knows it sucks! :)
The rate of change for tech is fast but it's never fully utilized. With a set system like consoles devs are able to optimize so games look great on dated hardware. Just look at God of War: Accession, Beyond: Two Souls, Halo 4 and The Last of Us.
The only way that's happening is a subscription model in which case you buy the PS4 for $299, and pay $10 a month for PS+ (2 years equal $240).
That equals $540, and by that point most people will likely want to keep PS+ after having all the benefits for 2 years, so add in $50 for another 3 years, and boom you've got your $700 PS4 price covered.
But it's not going to happen.
I know this is just me but i want the greatest and best tech in my console. I want it to be AC wifi and those high capacity blu ray with a very powerful cpu/gpu and 16gig ram etc etc.
I want it to be dev freindly with so much power that Sony devs will blow my mind with what they will produce next gen.
My dream ofcourse but will not happen with Ken not there anymore.
mid-range is still quad core with at least gtx570/hd7870
And with a Ps4 you can't play PC exclusives or Microsoft Exclusives or Nintendo Exclusives.
You don't know where to buy PC parts, mine got 2 gtx 670s and it costed me 1200$, 700$ would give you a high-mid end one.
*Wii/U not included in these conversations.
Some of us are not super rich and need to think about how we spend our money such paying bills, rent, morgages and responsible to feeding our family.
Nerds and fanboy sheeps do not need to think or prioritise over buying upgrades of what ever...they just buy it cause of there nerdish instinct.
Honestly your nutty and extremely closed minded to you think other markets outside of America will accept that nonsense. In the US everything is cheaper due to the strength of the currency, but expecting the European market to pay around 1000 dollars for a console is insane.
$600 was pushing it on the PS3 release, and if it wasn't for Sony's dominance of the PS2 they never would have been able to release such an expensive console.
Going into the next generation, MS and Nintendo are a much bigger competitor than they were when the PS3 released. That price is heavy, and only the most die-hard Sony fan would be willing to drop money on it.
I'm pretty die hard, and I wouldn't support that, because I know that for the most part, games won't really take advantage of it outside of 1st party titles and maybe exclusives. However the huge drop in install base would mean that it will lose a lot of developer support, which means we may not even see many multi-plats for it, and even less 3rd party exclusives.
Now imagine those that like Sony but don't play the console race card. All of a sudden MS $400-500 system looks a hell of a lot more attractive, thus making it more viable for the long term.
Now, it sold anyway, and pretty much beat the 360 now.
A visible distinction in performance for the $600 would probably pushed the majority over much faster. BD and HDD wasn't enough. But say 1GB and a better GPU would have...and it would have bought Sony probably another 1-2 years today; thus actually extending lifetime and ROI.
I think it could make sense to release later with a more sophisticated model.
However, nothing points that way. Phasing out the PS2, reducing PS3 prices etc points to a rather "early" PS4 release and with that possibly a cheaper model.
Well...what's more, though - and the WiiU shows this - the PS3/360 on the low and will be competing with those next generation machines in the own house.
I'm wondering if the low end price segment isn't already covered...
PS3 started with $599, and tell me, it failed?
if people are too stupid to buy useless ipads for $500+ i dont see why people would hesitate to get the PS4.
I should know. I upgraded to a 1080P LCD and bought the PS3 60GB launch model when it was $499.00 instead of $599.00 and I still felt like I was Playing Beyond too soon.
In fact the only reason I got the PS3 was for Blu-Ray. Then once WarHawk came out I finally purchased my first game. The PS3 didn't start gaining momentum till they introduced the 40GB stripped down version for $399.00 which was basically a year after the PS3 launched.
You can't compare a $500.00 tablet that can be taken anywhere and has many functions to a home console that is stationary in your living room and is primarily a videogame console.
Otherwise I think $500 top of the line model would be my limit, unless there is something spectacular about it above and beyond the other consoles.
1)The entire family can use the Ipad all the way down to a baby playing a childs app
2)Its the "thing" to have at this point in time as says the media (lol)
3)games and apps start at a cost of........... free, .99 cents. This kind of makes up for the cost.
4)You can use it while traveling as long as you have a data plan (Yes you can use the ps3 if you have tv's and a converter in your car........... but it's not the same)
People can afford it because it is a more effective laptop for many people. Like using a laptop in bed can be annoying, where as a tablet is fairly simple. Want to travel somewhere? It's a very small / light device to take with you. Plenty of people own a smart phone, which tablets typically (depending how you go about it) allow you to view / edit events on both devices, which is ultimately more convent to many people.
In a lot of ways it has several practical and justifiable uses in most peoples day to day lives. This is something you CAN'T say about the PS4, since even though we don't know what it includes, the PS3 (any many other devices...) allow you to stream videos, play blurays / dvd's, boot digital files, which I don't see the PS4 offering them something they don't exactly need.
huh? do u have amnesia or short term memory?
"it really does not bother me"
LOL
then you could just have ignored me or whatever, right?
intead of these:
"@miyamoto
"negative publicity to all things PlayStation by using Xbox just for hits."
Thanks, I was meaning to ask why there was so much kotaku hate around here, go figure (not that I read kotaku anyway).
I just find it funny, considering some of your posts are Sony fanboy drivel, yet you call a site out for doing the exact same thing, but I suppose it isn't what YOU want hear. Hypocrite much?
Whatever, I know you are immature and stupid so it really does not bother me. You PM'd me first, so try harder. I only hope one day you will grow up and realise how idiotic and narrow minded you were when you were younger."
eh, Mr. Contradiction?
was really hoping for a civilized conversation, Brother
but I have to block you to save my precious time
learn to talk with sense
bye
Wow, just... wow.
In the end it's still a game console. For the foreseeable future, they will always be considered that. If MS goes this whole "center of the living room" route, then you can expect them to change this viewpoint through marketing, at which time a more expensive device may be worth while, but even then, most people will be looking for the cheapest option to do the same thing, of which there are currently many options.
I believe gaming capabilities will take a back seat to the average consumer for the center of their living room.
The problem is that you can't easily show off your ps4 and so it has less value in their eyes.
A $700 price point would be a huge mistake for Sony. The mass market can't afford that right now.
Edit: Here is a better idea, muscle stimulator and nerve sense rig.
If they include the AR glasses or the illumiroom tech type gadgets than I could see a significant increase. Without those big new "toys" it's gonna be around the 350-400 mark for each console.
Seriously?
Why not build a beast of a PC for that price?
That's not to say I won't be buying a ps4, because it would undoubtedly have many games worth buying over its lifespan. But I won't be paying $700 for one, and neither would the vast majority of the gaming community. It just wouldn't happen.
Those that say they would are a small minority.
I'd rather not be without my pc because as most pc gamers know. You never know when something like DayZ or Minecraft comes along. When a mod on PC hits. It usually comes without warning and catches the industry by surprise.
I won't even get into pc exclusives which is always too many to count. Not to mention the many quality free 2 play titles that rival AAA console titles and exceed replayability value. Games like League of Legends, Planetside 2 and Mechwarrior Online to name a couple.
A. sold at an enourmous loss (sony CANNOT afford that)
B. absolute, bottom of the barrel parts and not worth calling next gen (i.e. wii u)
ps4 needs minimum 4 gb ram, 1gb vram (equal AT LEAST to a gtx 650....660 ti would be ohhh so much better, and a fast quad core i-7 920 spec at least)
anything less and your just getting a 5 year old pc without the capability to upgrade, the above specs would at least make it close to a mid spec pc from a few years ago, i.e. 1080p games at 30-60 frames, 4x aa and MUCH better texture rendering, resolutions, shadows...ect...ect...
Do the math for your self guys !! You just talk. Cheap ps4 means it's useless to upgrade ..
Then why can't they buy a console? Plus I would tell my kids to learn to save up their money if they wanted it so badly.
If you think Sony has the pulling power Apple products have you are very much mistaken.
im really really confused. why you people dont want powerfull consoles ?. why do you want just a simple upgrade ?. why upgrade if it's only 30$ more then current generation price ? what will they upgrade with that 30$ ??????
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Son...
Even if it's 100$ more then current generation. that's not an upgrade at all !
If the PS4 was also your Television service provider and served as your Computer's operating system, than it wouldn't be an issue to buy it at that price then.
They gonna bite the bullet and go blu-ray?
Or whip out some proprietary HD-DVD resurrection?
Solid state gaming cartridges?! Who knows..
I still can't wait to use little glowing crystals like in Super Man.
SSD are too expensive anyway. SSD or proprietary lose the most common optical storage medium for movies.
Digital...go download a 50GB game then get back to me...in a month, lol.
Not to mention royalties on BR are only a few cents per device and something like a cent every 10 disks anyway. Not supporting BR would be MS shooting themselves in the foot equivalent to the RROD.
Nintendo optical discs
The Wii U is backward compatible with Wii Optical Discs, though not GameCube discs.[14] Reportedly to control costs, the Wii U also uses a disc format developed and supplied by Panasonic, with a capacity of 25 GB (single layer). The optical discs used for the Wii U differ from other optical disc formats in that they have soft, rounded edges.[15]
Gonna be interesting, this generation here, reaaaaal interest'n.
im really really confused. why you people dont want powerfull consoles ?. why do you want just a simple upgrade ?. why upgrade if it's only 30$ more then current generation price ? what will they upgrade with that 30$ ??????
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Son...