Submitted by ElleGee 466d ago | opinion piece

Has Microsoft stolen IllumiRoom?

Microsoft stole a lot of headlines this week with their IllumiRoom reveal where they projected a 360 degree image across the room to enhance the immersive nature of gaming and other entertainment forms… but did they steal this idea from someone else? (Microsoft, Tech, Xbox 360)

THC CELL  +   466d ago
Silly idea anyways.
TheGamerDood  +   466d ago
Busted! This dude is about to get paid.
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Dark_Overlord  +   466d ago
Not necessarily, looking at the guys patent it seems the device only covers at most 180 degrees of vision, from what I've heard Illumiroom supposedly covers 360 degrees. Due to this it could be classed as a different idea (I'm sure MS will explain many other differences), so MS could get around it (We all know how stupid the patent place is :/)

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough :)
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ps3fanboy4ever  +   466d ago
Like anything, the devil is in the details.

It really depends on how the patent is written, and that particular country's laws. In addition, it also depends on how you achieve said ability. You can sometimes achieve the same result without infringing on a patent. In theory you can't patent an idea, only the implementation.

At this stage though, there is no infringement as MS hasn't actually made or sold a product.

Showing somebodys patent in action is not an infringement.
BillySpandex  +   466d ago | Well said
Funny, when I mentioned that Microsoft stole the illumiroom idea from someone else, I was flagged for trolling, and they took my bubble.

I feel vindicated now. Please return my bubble.
CraigandDayDay  +   466d ago
I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm just flat out not interested nor have the room or right set-up for this kind of tech. I'll pass on using it. I don't care if the PS4 and the 720 have it, I'm not interested myself. I'm looking forward to more 1080p native games and in seeing 4K video content on the PS4 and most likely the 720 as well.
deadpoole  +   466d ago
And the plot thickens ... lollll ... :D

Little bit off topic.

But on the serious note, Kinect as well as PS Move, though amazing idea whatsoever but the implementation method and hardware utilized for are so not suitable at all in context to which these are developed for.

Any console using camera to capture gesture, illuminated object etc is, no matter what, always going to be slow because of the processing overhead and will never come close to the response result of that of wired controller.
rainslacker  +   466d ago
hmm...There wasn't enough detail in this article to really say if it was stolen. MS could have been working on this a long time, or they could have implemented it in a very different way.

Patents protect the actual implementation of an idea, not the idea itself, or at least that's what they're supposed to do.

If this guy had it implemented, which was shown in the video, and MS is using a similar or exact method of producing the same result, then this guy deserves credit and compensation for it. It's the exact reason the patent system exists in the first place.

Also this article is only speculating on if it's stolen. For all we know the original inventor was properly compensated. Hell, for all we know he took it to MS himself, or they approached him because of the BBC report. It was a 3rd party that originally posted this on reddit.

So before everyone jumps the gun, ask the right questions, because apparently this wannabe journalist doesn't want to take the time to actually go and confirm any of their assertions.
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ShinMaster  +   466d ago
Microsoft was founded on capitalizing on other people's ideas.
Whether it's Windows, IllumiRoom or Mii avatars.
JoGam  +   465d ago
Actually can it get that MS bought the idea then patented it? Im just saying.
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fr0sty  +   465d ago
Nothing in that Illumiroom video shows 360 degrees of projection. It only shows the area in front of the player being video mapped.
GribbleGrunger  +   465d ago
Blimey, I can't win on this site, but here goes: Whilst I can see that 'perhaps' MS were influenced by this tech, I can also acknowledge that two techs can be developed in isolation and still have a striking resemblance to one and other. Even IF MS knew of this, there is nothing wrong with taking an existing idea and building on it. The ONLY problem I have is when a company borrows an idea and claims they've invented it. At that point I switch from getting disagrees from Sony fans to disagrees from MS fans. 'Swings and roundabouts' is quite the appropriate saying here.
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Kran  +   466d ago
Considering Sony are sorta doing the same thing... and they began researching the idea first...

would you be saying that now?

Related video
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TheGamerDood  +   466d ago
the difference is that your eyes are not locked onto a screen you're looking at the whole room. when you're gaming and you're focused on gameplay do you really notice anything else going on around you? I'm going to say no and that's what makes MS illumiRoom so silly and gimmicky.
freezola75  +   465d ago
Dawg I saw that video and it was pretty good! I don't know if It'll be cool to use inside an apartment though...

on topic, although M$ has been accused of stuff like this before, I think it has alot to do with HOW that patent is designed...

damn tho this looks really cool! Peace
dedicatedtogamers  +   465d ago
Microsoft stealing ideas? Oh goodness! I've never heard of such a thing...

Kids, Microsoft has been doing this since the '80s.
Belking  +   466d ago
Oh no, MS are thieves.... It is rumored that they stole some guy call Phil Harrison from Sony too....When asked all MS would say is that"we don't comment on rumors or speculations"...lol Seem like two different things to me. MS aren't stupid. They would of never shown this if there were any chance that that would happen. MS has already patented their Holodeck.
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Nykamari  +   466d ago
Nope they stole Phil from Atari. So you failed at trolling that!
hellvaguy  +   466d ago
First they steal patents, then they steal people named Phil. Clearly next will be babies.
ShinMaster  +   466d ago
Or Mii avatars.
UnholyLight  +   465d ago
Hah, people and this whole stealing mii's BS. They even said that for the original Xbox they had a big vision that included avatars and the cloud some day and a bunch of other stuff. I'm pretty sure they didn't blatantly "steal the mii" idea as well
kikizoo  +   466d ago
When they don't buy things (kinect, medias, etc), they are stealing (windows, etc).

with $$$$$$$$, ideas, creativity are not so important :)
MrDead  +   466d ago
I worked for Xerox, all the function day's and exhibitions you can guarantee that someone will bring up how Xerox created the windows format and a bunch of other things we all use today. Xerox never understood what they created would change how we interface with tech they just let it slip through their fingers. Its a shame as I'm sure my wages would of been higher if they where the super giant they could of been.
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Megaton  +   466d ago
Probably. Just about everything they have was stolen or bought from someone else.
Godmars290  +   466d ago
Showed it before they could buy it maybe.
Software_Lover  +   466d ago

Sony and Microsoft should be sued by Nintendo for making gaming systems. Or should Nintendo be sued? Apple should be sued for making a phone. Gillette should sue Schick. Mercedes should sue Ford. AMD should sue NVIDIA.

Microsoft should sue Sony for making a camera for the playstation when they had already made one for the pc.

Give this $h!t a break
wishingW3L  +   466d ago
Belking  +   466d ago
"Give this $h!t a break"

Exactly.It's stupid. Neither technology has seen the light of day yet. Damn journalist...lol
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R_A_LEE20  +   466d ago
Patent Wars will never end, it's just the way the world works these days.

Although it is getting more and more ridiculous as it happens.
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TheRealHeisenberg  +   466d ago
Godmars290  +   466d ago
At the same time MS shouldn't be getting multiple pats on the back for showing something someone else invented.

Like Kinect.
Software_Lover  +   466d ago
So why does Apple get so many pats on the back for producing a phone, even though hundreds were already out? Because they took something that was already there and changed it for the better. Same thing Microsoft did with Kinect. Same thing Sony did with the first Playstation.

Its just the way business works.
Godmars290  +   466d ago
They don't get the pats - they just get the money.

Okay-okay, they get so much money people think they should pat Apple on the back.
ArmrdChaos  +   466d ago
Another opinion piece? Not going to even bother. Man children screaming at the top of their lungs for attention.
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ShinMaster  +   466d ago
Microsoft invented and produced motion-tracking cameras for gaming before the EyeToy?
UnholyLight  +   465d ago
Finally someone with some sense. A lot of retards in N4G it would seem hey
scott182  +   465d ago
Microsoft made the first camera? Nintendo made the first gaming system? I can see where you are coming from to some degree about everyone copying everyone. But when something like this happens (the IllumiRoom drama) it makes you wonder if a huge company really did outright take an idea from someone smaller...
EffectO  +   466d ago
I heard they stole Kinect too.

naughty MS,naughty
kneon  +   466d ago
no they bought that.
hellvaguy  +   466d ago
MS stole the notion of making a "gaming console" from Sony. Wait then it means Sony stole the idea from Sega and Nintendo who stole the idea from Atari. You people are stealing my valuable last few hundred brain cells away atm.
tbon3man  +   466d ago
Microsoft has enough money to pay this guy off anyways so that they can still use it.
rainslacker  +   466d ago
It's generally better to pay them off before implementation. If they release it and make a lot of money off it, then the original patent holder will ask for more money. At least that's how things seem to go most of the time.
ALLWRONG  +   466d ago
Ulf  +   466d ago
Umm.. projectors have been used for large-scale driving and flight-sims, in research environments, for several decades. Heck, sometimes I like to see a show at this crazy kinda place they call "IMax", and I feel fairly certain they're doing some of the same thing there.

This isn't "new", as much as it is "new to the livingroom", and no, article author, some random English guy did not just invent image projection in your livingroom in 2010.
Platinum_k  +   466d ago
...Sounds too much like the ILLUMINATI!

Super conspiracy! hehe
stage88  +   465d ago
Everyone copies everyone these days. If they didn't then technology wouldn't be as far advanced as it is today. It's always improved upon.
cee773  +   465d ago
Microsoft also stole a lot from Sega down to the controllers layout and colored face buttons they just moved the colors around , they started working on Xbox after they working is dreamcast's windows CE os
The_KELRaTH  +   465d ago
Lets not forget how MS established itself - by stealing Visicalc.
Clarence   465d ago | Trolling | show
brianunfried  +   465d ago
Microsoft is known for imitating instead of innovating. They're trying so hard to be like Apple right now that its embarrassing, just watch their latest TV commercials.
NoFanboyRequired  +   465d ago
You're on drugs if you don't think MSFT isn't innovative. They spend billions a year on stuff we don't even know about.


Don't tell me some of the stuff on that channel are "not innovating".

Yeah, they bought kinect, but i bet they made it a hell of a lot better than it was after purchasing it.
NoFanboyRequired  +   465d ago
*You're on drugs if you don't think MSFT is innovative.

scott182  +   465d ago
I remember a funny interview of Bill Gates being asked if he stole the apps idea for vista from apple, he kept changing the subject. I cringed so much for him, embarrasing is right.
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jack who  +   465d ago
so Microsoft stolen the idea and got a working prototype all in less then a week? microsoft is good but not that good.
DarthJay  +   465d ago
It's hardly a unique idea. I suppose Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, Atari, Sega and every other console maker ever stole their ideas for a video game console from Magnavox.

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