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As Valve confirms the Steam Box, Microsoft's Phil Harrison issues a warning

EuroGamer - Valve hit the headlines this week with the confirmation that it will enter the console business with its own Steam Box.

For the Half-Life company it marks a desire to take on Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo with its own hardware powered by Steam and Linux. (PC, Phil Harrison)

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Kamikaze135  +   619d ago
Valve came out of nowhere and turned PC gaming around in a positive way. I can't claim to know enough about the industry to say they will succeed, but I feel that if anybody has a chance of succeeding, it's Valve.
JoGam  +   619d ago
im getting it myself
Kurt Russell  +   619d ago
I'll be certainly giving it a chance, that's for sure. It'll either be something amazing, or a huge flop... Either way, I'm chancing it.
insomnium2  +   619d ago
I love it how it goes. You either are THE gratest thing ever or you are the biggest and most pathetic flop in the world. Where are the shades of grey in today's world?
MikeMyers  +   619d ago
Of course Valve has a chance of succeeding, they have already established themselves in gaming. The biggest issue is Valve does not have a distribution channel because Steam is a digital store. As of yet they haven't sold hardware before. That's their challenge. They have already secured partnerships with game publishers and are the leaders when it comes to support for indie games. They also have over 50 million Steam members.

Their big hurdle is marketing and the retail end of it. They could also take some business away from Alienware.

What we have to remember is Valve isn't interested in all the other fluff. They don't sell operating systems and use hardware to catapult other sales. They don't sell TV's or blu-ray and use a game platform to offset those sales. Their interest is games and if they can treat publishers more fairly and not charge them as much in royalties then yes, we could have a winner on our hands.

"So I wouldn't in any way criticise what they've achieved and the role they've played in the industry. But I'm not sure we would choose Steam as a benchmark of success. We would always seek to innovate and push beyond.

"Xbox Live as a foundation, the reach we have and the experience we deliver is a great place to build on."

I don't agree with that comment. Steam is actually a great service. You can also gift items within Steam. It also allows other things like dedicated servers and mod support. The prices are also much more competitive for the consumer. I do see it as a benchmark of success and one that doesn't need to hide itself with a ton of apps and other things so they can justify a fee either. Steam is free, that's a benchmark when compared to Live.
darthv72  +   619d ago
@mike
What you initially typed you could pretty much replace "valve" with "MS" and it would be the same situation. MS didn't have a distribution channel. They had not been in console gaming before.

Also, steam was nothing like it is now without looking at live as a reference. Let's say, all good ideas are influenced by something else. Now I could be wrong but when I used steam it was for hl2 and counter strike. There were no achievement or community like it is.

I got into the 360 after the Xbox and the changes with live were obvious. If steam had achievements first then I didn't know that. No need to discredit one to promote the other.
dedicatedtogamers  +   619d ago
I'm a PC gamer, I already have a Steam account, I already have a PC hooked up to my TV...

...but if Valve allows us PC gamers to use our existing Steam account (and our already-purchased games) on the Steambox, I'm getting one.

THAT is something people keep forgetting. PC gamers who are already using Steam may pick this up simply as a mini-PC to use on an extra TV, or to bring over to a buddy's house. Sure, non-PC gamers who are new to PC gaming will get it, too, but there's a big threat of PC gamers who are currently using Steam on a Windows-based PC migrating to a Linux-based system.
kayoss  +   619d ago
@darth
I respectfully disagree. One thing that the xbox did have that Steam didnt have is Microsoft. Before microsoft went into the gaming business they were a powerhouse in computers. They had a distributing channel that distribute computers, software, and let not to say they had very very deep pockets to invest in gaming. Therefore they can take a risk. Microsoft was in a very good position to make the xbox successful because they had the money, the staff, the knowledge, and they are a very well known brand.
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darthv72  +   619d ago
@kayoss
MS was/is primarily a software company. they dont make or distribute computers (unless you count surface tablets).

So their only real hardware experience was in making keyboards and mice and controllers for the PC (sidewinder line).

their experience in any kind of console form would be their name on the dreamcast because it used a modified windows CE operating system. They did try the home market with webTV but that was exactly what it was. "WebTV" no games.

To be fair, even Sony was a newcomer to the console market at one point but there is no need to discredit them for that when we see that it took them a few years to mature and be accepted. Many will just hate MS because its MS regardless.

Its like the Google effect. Google was a search engine that built into something bigger and is taking on hardware and software but they didnt get there without something else as a base of reference. Was it MS or Apple or even Commodore...but still all good ideas come from something else.

Valve as a company is a software company. Steam was their distribution service for new games that you could buy digitally or at retail and validate through steam. It grew into something bigger just like Live grew into something bigger. Like it or not, all of these companies are connected to each other in more ways than people give them credit for.

The Steam box as a concept is very similar to the idea behind the 3DO. Meaning that while there had to be a base unit to demonstrate the idea, that idea was open to any other company that wanted to build a platform that was their own but compatible with the standard 3DO library.

Valve will not be the only ones making steam compatible units. Just as i would imagine MS has been toying with the notion of building a set of standards for their next xbox that would be open to other companies making xbox/live compatible units as well.

Nintendo (and possibly sony) are the only ones who continue to do it alone from concept to R&D to finished product. That takes lots of $$$ and lots of risks.

If there were (insert game platform) compatible units on the market from various companies like Samsung, JVC, RCA, Panasonic then we would have more of a DVD/Bluray type of electronic selection on the market and all of them would work with the same software.

It would be like buying a PC from Dell, HP, Compaq etc and they all come with windows or (if offered) your choice of OS. That is what the steam box idea is and probably what the next xbox would be like as well. The set of standards created by valve (or MS) but the hardware would be competitive because there would be more than one company making it.
inveni0  +   619d ago
I'll stick to PC for Steam games, but I can see how this may benefit kids who can't get their parents to buy a decent PC (but will spend the same amount on a console).
guitarded77  +   619d ago
For me it's a good device to have. I like the PC gaming experience, but I'm a computer programmer, and don't feel like being strapped to a PC when I get home, so this is a great cross-over and will fit in right along side my other consoles.

Phil's concerns are legitimate. Production and distribution will be the two big issues, I think Valve will have one great advantage jumping into the game with the possibility of having their titles like Half-Life, Portal and Left 4 Dead become PC exclusive. Don't know if they'll do it, but it will be interesting to see.

I know at one time Valve were talking about Steam on consoles... we never really saw anymore than Steamworks on PS3, but it makes me wonder if the SteamBox is a result of the lack of a Steam system on consoles. Like they decided to build it after not being able to do what they wanted on consoles.
Ju  +   619d ago
I'm just to lazy to look this up...but did they actually say they will built their own HW? Why not do what Google did? Big picture is the platform and let anybody willing build the HW according to specs. Valve doesn't need to make money off the HW, they do it through Steam anyway. And they do have an online infrastructure already. Not a lot of companies do. I can understand why MS would want to warn...because this will migrate games away from a Windows based platform. Sure thing can't be in MS's interest.
MikeMyers  +   619d ago
darthv72,
I wasn't really referring to the Achievement status. I still think Xbox Live wins in this area due to the fact all games on the Xbox 360 have it. I'm not sure if all Steam games do. I just disagree with the comment of not acknowledging Steam as a benchmark of success. In PC gaming it is. They have led and never looked back. Heck, even Microsoft tried to get their hands in there with Xbox Live on the PC and failed miserably. Origin is nowhere near the same caliber as Steam either. Will that success transfer over to the Steambox? I'm not sure. I think companies like Microsoft spend a lot of money marketing and securing partnership deals with the likes of Activision and Epic. I don't think Valve will go that route. They are interested in bringing a platform that is far more flexible and open. Will gamers care? That we will soon find out.

One thing both Microsoft and Sony are willing to do is sell hardware at a loss. I don't think Valve is willing to do that but the value will still be there for customers. You're not paying for things you may not want like a blu-ray drive or having to pay a membership fee to play online. The software may also be better value on Steam, in fact it already is.

As for distribution channel Microsoft was already a player with Windows and Window based PC games before the Xbox. They didn't have hardware so yes, you are right about that, but they still had software at the retail end. I think all Steam has now are Steam cards which are like iTunes, Xbox Live and Playstation Network cards.
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linkenski  +   618d ago
I love it but, I fear that it could be the fall of mouse+keyboard gaming at some point :/
Better Valve than apple.

I am glad to see a company who doesn't have to answer to shareholder jump in.

Make me wonder since I can sign into steam with my psn account will they try to break down the barrier of cross platform on console? PC, steambox & ps4 multiplayer? portal2, DCU & payday are all on steam and are cross play & maybe planetside 2 & Ever Quest Next for ps4. I already know MS is not having it so I won't mention 720.

That would be cool though.

"Steambox Seen by Newell to Have Three Tiers of Pricing, Could Start at $99"

http://www.gameranx.com/upd...

Also this could mean less bad pc ports.
Idk I am just happy now I want to huge everyone!!
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MasterCornholio  +   619d ago
If they produce a steam box at 399€ that capable of playing all games on steam well (and some at max detail) i would get one for the steam deals because im sick and tired of paying 60€ for a video game.
Mutant-Spud  +   619d ago
You're not going to huge me, you won't catch me with my trousers down!
nukeitall  +   619d ago
@shutUpAndTakeMyMoney:

"I already know MS is not having it so I won't mention 720."

MS is the dominant player in the online connectivity of consoles so they won't include another platform unless they are threatened by it or if there is very strong synergy.

"I am glad to see a company who doesn't have to answer to shareholder jump in."

Well the other part of it is, Valve really couldn't jump into the console business. There aren't many players that have the financial resources to get a console released and be successful. MS spent billions entering the industry, and other than old time players there hasn't been a new serious entrant in a long time.

There are mostly just small timers.

"Also this could mean less bad pc ports."

I always dreamed of this 3-tier setup, but I hope Valve has a forward moving plan i.e. how do you move to the next generation for the lowest level. How long will it be supported?

There are a lot of questions like that and Valve has no history of building any hardware. In fact, Steam was more of an accident than a planned business.

Valve is a great company, but I question their ability to succeed. I welcome competition with open arms though.
roadkillers  +   619d ago
Haha I want to huge you too. It's better then giving someone a tiny any day.
CyberCam  +   619d ago
@JoGam
So I'm I... not that I really need it, I already have a LAN, but just to tinker with it in front of the TV and to support Valve. Valve is a good company that gives us gamers value for our money and they don't try to nickel & dime us to death.

Plus I'm a Linux nut and finally getting rid of M$ would be my dream come true. So I'm going to support the penguin!
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SilentNegotiator  +   619d ago
Microsoft is really trying to scare Valve out of waking the sleeping Giant known as Linux as a gaming platform. Another Firefox/Chrome on their hands in the form of the entire OS would be hell for Microsoft.
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cee773  +   619d ago
Yeah and everyone knows windows and office is Microsoft's backbone that's where 90% of there revenue comes from
nukeitall  +   619d ago
LOL!

Scare?

Practically the entire business world runs on Windows. It's easy to change browsers, because there is no lock down on software. Practically any website can be viewed on a different browser.

Can't say the same about productivity software, let alone games!

Remember when PC manufacturers tried to include Linux? Like Dell? The PC ended up costing more! That's irony.
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SilentNegotiator  +   619d ago
@nukeitall

That's WHY a big company coming in and pushing Linux scares them; because right not it can't compete with Windows. But once Gamers switch away because Linux game support skyrockets, others will follow. Don't pretend like business is the only important part of OS sales.
DragonKnight  +   619d ago
@nukeitall: Dude, seriously you need to step away from that Microsoft mug every now and then and just take a deep breath and look at the world. All Linux really needed is one serious backer to make the push in the world. When that happens, it'll gain more support and if you think businesses will still spend $200 on a Microsoft OS when they can spend nothing on an OS that has seen huge support gains, then you are really a lost cause.
nukeitall  +   619d ago
@DragonKnight:

Have you been involved with software licensing and cost decisions in a company?

If you have, you know the biggest cost isn't the software, but rather the employees time. Half an hour wasted a day easily outweighs the cost in almost a week or two.

One serious backer doesn't make a big difference at all. What they need is the industry support overall. They are facing the mountain that MS did with the original Xbox, except Linux doesn't give gamers anything Windows doesn't.

To the vast majority, Windows is practically free with the computer. In fact, computer cost increases without Windows as seen before when Dell tried to push Ubuntu laptops.

It's a pipe dream to replace Windows and Valve had a better shot using Android than Linux. Primarily because there is already customers there.

@SilentNegotiator:

If MS was scared, they would have supported Windows gaming far more. MS wants to push Xbox, not PC gaming anymore. It's mostly there to have a presence.

Linux game support ain't gonna skyrocket. Why would it? What about Linux would make gamers compelled to choose it over Windows whom they are familiar with, exist on their PC pre-installed from the store and has most of their other compatible software.

If you feel differently, I would like to know WHY? What about Linux will compel gamers to choose it over Windows?

The only real backer of PC gaming these days are Valve really, because that is their main business.
darthv72  +   619d ago
Maybe...
to the custom PC building community there is a benefit to using linux. But the custom building side of things has changed dramatically over the last 10 years.

Mainly due to the cost of building a PC vs simply buying one already built and loaded with an OS. I liked building computers but it got to a point where I just couldnt build one at the same price as what you could buy.

you may have more control over the parts you want to use but all of that adds to the overall cost. People (in general)these days are more enthralled with just buying a new machine or tablet or smartphone than building one.

Linux has its pro's (mainly being free) but it also has it's cons (no standarization from version to version). There are many variants of Linux and each one is made from the same basic core but tweaked to be just a bit different than the next one. At least with windows, you know your copy of windows 7 or 8 on a dell will be just like the copy of 7 or 8 on an HP.

I think valve is more concerned in getting other companies to make steam units than them being the sole supplier. That way they can lay out the standards for the service to work. Obviously they chose linux in their design because of licensing but if they let other companies make units then it would be on them (Samsung, Dell etc) and those companies could use whatever works for them so long as it meets the bare minimum for compatibility.
Blackdeath_663  +   619d ago
the valve has some issues standing its way the biggest being price.

also many pc gamers have no reason what so ever to buy a consoles that is essentially a tiny pc that costs the same as the desktop pc they already own.

anything can be a steambox. you can connect a gaming laptop to your tv and that can be a steambox. you can make small pc with a mini ITX motherboard that will be the same size as a console and connect that to your tv. alienware have a small gaming pc that can be your steambox

finally the third problem is the open nature of the steambox, if valve do decide that they will lower the price to stay competitive they are doing so in the hope that they will make that money back from items bought from steam however not all people who buy the steambox will use it for gaming. i think the piston or the Xi3,Xi5 & Xi7 computer will be a success but i'm not sure that success will come from people using it as a games console and i can't see them replacing people's gaming PC's
InMyOpinion  +   619d ago
The $900 price that has been revealed is for the Piston, and not for the Steambox. People seem to confuse the two.

I haven't been into PC gaming for the last 10 years or so but I've always been a big fan of Valve, their games, and their philosophy. If the Steambox turns out to be good I wouldn't mind getting one. Really hyped about what it could do. :)
Blackdeath_663  +   619d ago
@InMyOpinion the steambox is said to have similar specs to the Xi7 its only natural that it will also have a matching price tag unless ofcourse they cut the price and are willing to bet on the assumption that people who use the steambox will also use steam which is harder to do on an open system. the ps3 for example was sold at a significant loss but they can do that because everyone who buys a ps3 will atleast buy one game to go with it
(you can't use the ps3 for anything else other than to play ps3 games and use sony services thats why sony prevented people from installing linux to the ps3 when it came out and removed support for other os)

i think valve will do it if they want to as they do have the resources to do anything they please but how beneficial it will be to them is questionable. from a consumers stand point I am looking forward to the steambox too!
ifistbrowni  +   619d ago
pretty excited for the "steambox." I AM NOT a PC gamer, but from what i hear/know of Valve, they are fair when it comes to pricing. Steam is able to set low prices for their games because they dont have to worry about pi**ing off other outlets like walmart, target, best buy etc. (because Valve does not depend on these outlets to sale their product *at the moment*) They can set their own price and have ridiculous sales.

This, to me, sounds like Microsoft trying to scare off Valve. I play my xbox 360 primarily over ps3 (therefore i am an "xbox fanboy") and i am really looking forward to Steambox.

This is big for console gamers, whether you be Microsoft or Sony fan-boys. Hopefully Steambox stays true to Steam and they offer the same great games that Sony/Microsoft offer, but at 1/4 of the price.

Good luck, Valve! Unlike Microsoft, i actually mean it.
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aceitman  +   619d ago
Lol phil said deep pockets ,he left that one open for a pun , if anyone knows deep pockets it's ms.
CanadianTurtle  +   619d ago
Usually when a new system comes out, I become very skeptical and worried about how the system will turn out during it's life spam. That's why I get them when they are at their 3rd or 4th year of the cycle for the games catalog to grow.

Valve's SteamBox is one of those systems where I'm confident in getting it during it's first year of release.
edwoods  +   619d ago
This MESSAGE is for 99 percent of the N4g community: Stop posting lame messages below articles with your pseudo intellectual, business-mind wannabe strategies on what multi million/billion dollar companies should or shouldn't be doing. Just because you took a few economic classes in college and learned a few big words doesn't mean you know anything. No one on here has any true investment wisdom, so stop stroking each other off and go get job's in the stock market if you're so damn "smart"
BABYLEG  +   619d ago
Took the words right out of my mouth
GamerToons  +   619d ago
If you were so damn smart why did you spam the same
Message twice.

You are acting like the people you are criticizing.
LOL_WUT  +   619d ago
Well said ;)
salsabandana  +   619d ago
You'd rather have people bickering about console fanboyism instead?

By all means let's stamp out some reasonably intelligent dialogue. Seriously, it's either this, or baseless grumblings about who has the best hardware, games, online service, or whatever.

If you had even gone to college you'd know they don't teach you about stocks in economics, that's all in the finance department.

If you hadn't noticed, virtually every comment on n4g is speculation. Maybe you hadn't, considering how exceptionally unobservant you are.
edwoods  +   619d ago
This/////// MESSAGE is for 99 percent of the N4g community: Stop posting lame messages below articles with your pseudo intellectual, business-mind wannabe strategies on what multi million/billion dollar companies should or shouldn't be doing. Just because you took a few economic classes in college and learned a few big words doesn't mean you know anything. No one on here has any true investment wisdom, so stop stroking each other off and go get job's in the stock market if you're so damn "smart"
GamerToons  +   619d ago
All I see is Microsoft talking points.

Harrison has been a failure everywhere. Sony England.... Atari.

Tough biz indeed Mr Harrison
awi5951  +   619d ago
I'm Pc again ill never go back to consoles. I loved PC gaming when half life 2 and unreal 2004 came out. I had to move to console because i was in school and didnt feel like upgrading my pc. But parts are so much cheaper now and ebay helps alot with upgrades.
fermcr  +   619d ago
Steam Box looks like a basic PC config, but smaller and more expensive.

Not interested and i don't think it will be that successful. Might be wrong.
Bleucrunch  +   619d ago
I will definitely support Valve with their new console...I like them a lot and they are business who truly understand the field that they are in and the people they serve.
UnholyLight  +   619d ago
I agree. Also, I find Phil Harrison's words to be good words overall really in regards to what he says at the end. He welcomes competition just like I do as a consumer, because in the end it allows the industry to compete to create products that better each other with each successive new idea etc.
geddesmond  +   619d ago
Lol this MS guy ha. Wrong you only need deep pockets when you have to bribe gamers to play your consol like say paying millions of dollars to secure exclusive DLC for some of the bigest selling games in the industry. What Valve will do if they price the Steambox right is give consol gamers something they've been waiting for for years now. MS are just scared because they know they have f all exclusives and something like this bites into a lot of their market. What other gaming company besides MS is very respected in America? Answer valve. Steams games are cheaper than Xbox live, offers everything Xbox live does except no subscription costs and Half Life 3 lol that becomes a steambox exclusive then what american gamer won't want one of them, not to mention Left for Dead and Portal.
princejb134  +   618d ago
I'm gonna give it a chance depending on the price
If its worth it in the long run might even consider dropping Sony and Microsoft consoles all together
thezeldadoth  +   618d ago
his comments just come off sounding like a butthurt competitor.
marigold  +   619d ago
Valve has already positioned themselves (rather adeptly) as a major player in PC gaming - and as a distribution channel. It seems almost natural that they'd want to focus their attention on hardware as well. From a strictly gamer perspective, I'm kind of excited to see the Steambox in action and will love to own one.
Cueil  +   619d ago
Why? The whole reason I'd want a Steambox was because it was different from my PC... but I've already got Steam on my PC..
cl1983  +   619d ago
So nice to read a article with a positive vibe
AznGaara  +   619d ago
If I didn't spend $800+ on a new PC last year id definitely buy the Steambox. Valve can definitely do this though, their steam sales are amazing. One thing that would be cool would be for them to make their own "Steambox" controller. Sure the Xbox controller and various 3rd party controllers work but if they want to capture the casual audience, a Steambox with a Steambox controller would look really nice and not confuse customers.
LocutusEstBorg  +   619d ago
You're better off buying a Steambox. $800 is my budget just for one component: the GPU.
PurpHerbison  +   619d ago
This guy.
AznGaara  +   619d ago
But my PC is already way better than the Steambox, unless the Steambox has an i7 3770k, 16gb ram, SSD and a GTX 660ti lol
jon1234  +   619d ago
people people, especially you pc people, instead of typing out all these ridiculous names when you are talking about your pc. like a geoforce239126xxazc7qg or whatever theyre called and just agree to say, i have a good pc period
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tachy0n  +   619d ago
we cant say we have "good" computer since specifications and uses vary a lot.
i agree with AznGaara , i smell like steam box will not be that huge since people would rather buy a PS4 or an Xbox720.

keep in mind that the support linux has is awful, there is a reason why windows is still dominant after all these years same applies with apple and OS X.

+

EA is starting to pull their games from steam.
jon1234  +   619d ago
No.... No... You people can say good computer, I think you guys like putting out these lame names just to show off and be pretentious....
AznGaara  +   619d ago
Now this is an interesting comment because, with all the articles floating around with the next Xbox and PS and what they're specs are its fine. It's okay if those article say things like "Xbox720 8gb ram" or "PS4 AMD CPU" but as soon as a PC gamer says their specs its suddenly blasphemy.
jon1234  +   619d ago
no, not what im saying, going back and reading what you wrote, i see that you werent listing all the components in your rig, but the way you listed the ones you did, set me off i guess... however, i find it very annoying in many of the comment sections regarding multi platform games, when a debate goes back and forward between consoles, you always have one pc gamer interject his own opinion and start by listing all these goofy names, but still, it would be nice to for people to just say, hey my pc is badass, instead of, well you know...
BanBrother  +   619d ago
People always give MS flak for their past sins (any PC gamer can tell you why, or any PC enthusiast lol), but their PR department is classy, which is more than can be said of other companies. EA are the absolute worse, and will attack at the throat any chance they get.

I never like companies that attack each other, as it is childish. Glad to see a great response from ms. Right now Gabe Newell is probably slowly putting on suglasses; "challenge, accepted".
grayfoxx881  +   619d ago
Microsoft's PR Department is anything but classy.
Veneno  +   619d ago
Aaron greenburg is classy?

Turn 10 are classy?
morganfell  +   619d ago
He said anything BUT classy. That means they are not classy. What happened to grammar class?
Sp1d3ynut  +   619d ago
Hey, morganFAIL...Veneno was replying to the OP, not grayfoxx881. Maybe you need a reading comprehension class?
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WetN00dle69  +   619d ago
No but at least Turn 10 got humbled and due to that they got their shit together and released an amazing title that is Forza Horizon.
SilentNegotiator  +   619d ago
Oh please. They do everything with a smile, but they aren't classy.

Try looking between the lines. Valve is making Linux the backbone of their Steambox. Microsoft thought that they had officially killed Linux off as a threat when they threatened hardware companies out of using Linux in some their computers (least MS take away their privilege to license Windows), even making Asus’ chairman, Jonney Shih, apologize for SHOWING a Linux powered computer.

Microsoft's biggest fear is open platforms. Look at how Firefox and Chrome have taken over. Microsoft has tried several times to keep people from downloading them at all. Even with Windows 8 they tried pulling that crap.

It's about trying to scare away potential partners/investors and Valve themselves, that way Linux won't have a chance to grow. Not class. They're a corporation; you can't seriously think that they MEAN IT when they said "We welcome competition with open arms! ;)"
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InMyOpinion  +   619d ago
Both MS, Sony and Nintendo have some major douchebags who make PR statements (or just spout random crap on their Twitter accounts). I wouldn't call any of them classy.
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BanBrother  +   619d ago
As a business, maybe not. But you can at least admit their PR can restrain themselves. They could have easily used the PSN attack to their advantage, but they didn't.

Then again, as usual, people hear what they want to hear on N4G.
Baka-akaB  +   619d ago
Except they couldnt have easily use it at all . Any kind of attack about that would have made them look bad , and it affected the whole industry anyway .

This got nothing to do with being classy , there have been enough instance to show that , you just wanna hear what you wanna hear .
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InMyOpinion  +   619d ago
Taking stabs at the competition rarely brings any good. Neither does boasting about something that the competition might do better.

I think it would be better if they focused on their own stuff and stick to more informal PR about upcoming games, services, technical innovations etc.

Phil Harrison comes off as kind of ignorant boasting about the 40 million active users on Xbox Live when Steam has 50 million.
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Sevir  +   619d ago
I could have sworn that this wasnt even a console but a custom
Gaming PC that runs on Linux and supports steam to its core. If anything this will only help make PC market look more attractive to publishers. They didn't even announce publisher support. It seems kind of worthless since they have steam on all PCs defeats the purpose.
Murad  +   619d ago
I hereby state that if I am going to buy a next gen console, it will be "the Steam Box". I will support a company that has supported me.
WeAreLegion  +   619d ago
That's why I'm supporting both Valve and Sony next gen.
arabiensoldier  +   619d ago
I've always wanted to get with the steam crowd with all it's ridiculous sales and great community, but never really liked having to upgrade PC's , so I'm really excited for this.
Veneno  +   619d ago
Speaking from experience I can tell you that the Valve and Steam community are great. But like you, I find it frustrating with all the mainainence that comes with gaming on PC.

Hopefully Valve knows this and can make the task of maintaining a Steambox nice and easy. BUT i had an absolutely terrible customer service experience with Steam so Im not totally convinced they can do it. It's a wait and see situation for me.
deadfrag  +   619d ago
Frankly this only seems M$ TRYING TO INTIMIDATE Valve using Phil Harrison has a spokesman.Yes M$ is actually scared of what a Steam Box could take from the xbox brand leadership!But its not only M$,Sony and Nintendo are also scared thats for sure.
Veneno  +   619d ago
Microsoft has the most to be scared of. If you can get the best COD and Battlefield and EVERY OTHER FPS experience on Steambox and play online FOR FREE, then Microsoft should be in panic mode.
phantomexe  +   619d ago
Really because i'm preety sure sony and nintendo haven't said a word. I don't think nintendo even will......why because they don't cry. For some reason nintendo is alwasy doing there own thing like the rest of the world doesn't exist.There messed up like that but it's 2013 who knows.
th3n00bg4m3r  +   619d ago
When did Phil Harrison start to work for Micro$oft? I though he was still working for Sony.
ElitaStorm  +   619d ago
he is a spy, u can see him in santa monica studio at 0:44

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
majiebeast  +   619d ago
Thats Stig Asmussen the game director of god of war 3 who is working on a new IP with his team at Santa monica.
ElitaStorm  +   619d ago
i was joking

but they look alike in some way
Veneno  +   619d ago
Wrong. Phil Harrison worked for Sony then some oher companies, including Atari, before going to Microsoft.
th3n00bg4m3r  +   619d ago
I was asking.
Tainted Gene  +   619d ago
i was going to ask the very same thing
pr0digyZA  +   619d ago
"When did Phil Harrison start to work for Micro$oft?"

Beginning of 2012, I believe.
landog  +   619d ago
from artile; "Xbox Live currently enjoys over 40 million users from over 70 million Xbox 360s sold. Steam enjoys over 50 million active users."

so is he saying steam already won? is that fear i detect philly? you worried you wont be able to keep the xboxlive milk flowing

steam is 4000x better than psn or xboxlive, sorry, its just a fact, the deals, the mods, the clans, the forumns, the guilds, the greenlight, the patches, the multitasking, next gen consoles will not even come close to what steam had 3 years ago, let alone what they will be bringing in the future!

steam has 50 million already, 100 million is coming, very, very soon!
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Bladesfist  +   619d ago
I do agree that steam is better than PSN and Xbox Live feature wise. With PSN+ you get worse and less deals than you get with steam each month, not even counting the huge sales. You can take and share screenshots, mods and video content with its community features. After using PSN for a while on my vita I have been constantly wanting it to be more like steam although it is not a bad service itself.
drpepperdude  +   619d ago
People registering on a website does not mean they are willing to spend hundreds on a locked system that does the same thing. I think less than 10 million of those users if that would be willing to purchase valves system. And even if those 10 million are willing that does not mean they have the money to spend. Not all thoses who have registered on steam are spending money. Some do it to try a free to play game than relize they suck and never login again.
landog  +   619d ago
@drpepper

this is NOT aimed at pc gamers, STEAM already has all of us, the 50 million that are already steam customers, i alone have bought over 200 games from them!

we build rigs that DESTROY this steam box, ps4 and xbox 720 all combined, i wouldnt ever buy some tiny pc that only does console resolutions and console settings

but, millions will, people who don't have the money to buy a $500 gpu and the tech abilities to build a pc (though its pretty damn easy)

this is aimed at console players and casuals, and it will work
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drpepperdude  +   619d ago
@landog

Hell if it's not even aimed at there current user than theirs no way in hell they will be able to get into this market. Nintendo got the casual market sealed down tight. Sony and Microsoft have a huge fan base and I can't see fans changing over to a PC console maker. The only people I see possible thinking about getting are there current PC makers. 200 Games you must buy alot of 2 dollar games on steam.
Insane087  +   619d ago
E3 might be slightly more interesting this year just want to see what the actual steambox can do!
Steadyhndz  +   619d ago
" But it's very rare for a new hardware entrant to get to scale, and I mean tens or hundreds of millions of units"

Coming from a guy who's company he represents for and previous represent for has not sold hundreds of millions of units...also a rep for one of the biggest hardware companies in console gaming.
Hicken  +   619d ago
Actually, Sony's reached a hundred million twice, actually, and stands to do so again at the PS3's current sales rate. Depending on how Microsoft handles things, the 360 could also see 100 million sales, but I don't think it's as likely.

In any case, his point was that selling a hundred million is VERY rare, especially for a first entry into the console market, where selling tens of millions will be tough enough.
Steadyhndz  +   619d ago
Actually MFST has sold a little less than 74 million units. Sony is right around the same number...these aren't 100% accurate being that we can't gather numbers from China which was last estimated around 6 million units for the PS3...I can't find estimated numbers on the Xbox 360.
MYSTERIO360  +   619d ago
I think MS are really scared of Valve entering the console market, they know that valve are a big player when it comes to software digital distribution of well known PC titles and games in general. MS main claim to fame this generation of consoles was their xblive/windows OS which they used to nickel and dim their customers and exploit their kindness. Also MS connection with 3rd party PC studios is what brought some gamers to them who wanted a capable machine but didn't have the money. Valve could break MS benefits and bring in a new trend in consoles with open systems.
League_of_Draven  +   619d ago
The Steambox should be pretty good. I mean I won't get one cause I already have a PC that can play all those games. He's just scared because he jumped ship to Microsoft and Xbox is a sinking ship (especially when the Steambox comes out). What little "exclusives" they tried to pass off as being only on PC & 360 will basically come to an end now thanks to Steambox.
JeffGUNZ  +   619d ago
xbox is a sinking ship..Really? Did you not see their sales numbers over the holiday season? You ever realize not many exclusives are coming out for the 360 this year because they will be launching the nextbox within the next year? Most of thei first party studios and exclusives are developing games for their next gen console. When E3 rolls around, xbox will most likely announce the next system.
Theangrybogan  +   619d ago
Steam box = day 1 buy
black911  +   619d ago
No more left 4 dead.
360ICE  +   619d ago
<3 Phil Harrison.
DiRtY  +   619d ago
Steam is a retailer. Nothing more.
If the Steambox runs steam, EA probably won't support it, because they try to do their own thing.

You can't succeed with a console that does not offer Fifa, Madden or Battlefield.

That is a major disadvantage.

And why should devs go for Linux now? It has a 1.2% market share in the OS market and there are 28 games on steam that run on Linux. That is not much.

And Valve has basically no first party developer support. Sure there is Half-Life every 5 years, but that's it. ANd Valve would lose about 50% of its revenue if they stop developing for other consoles. Left 4 Dead made more money on 360 than on Steam for example.

I don't see it succeed. Sony, MS and Nintendo have more money, more experience, more support, more first party support, more budget.
darx  +   619d ago
Of course the Steambox is going to run Steam.

As far as first party support. There a more games exclusive to PC than a PS3 & 360 combined. Moot point!
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IronFistChinMi  +   619d ago
That's still 3rd party support, mostly down to genres that are more suited on PC. If those devs wanted to make Xbox/PS games, they can do so if they want.
DiRtY  +   619d ago
And how many of them run on Linux?

PC gamers will play on the PC. They won't switch to consoles, because the retailer they buy their games from builds one.

My prediction is that the Steambox will fail to get its fair part of the market. It might sell its 3 - 5 million / year, but that is it.
ElementsUnknown  +   619d ago
With Microsoft & Sony so obsessed with courting the "casual" gamer since the Wii and the iPhone struck gold I think it's great that a company like Valve is jumping into the game. I don't have the money or time to keep up with serious PC gaming but really admired steam, being able to have that experience at an affordable price from a company that won't ever talk about "velocity girl" or "ridge racer" at E3 is much appreciated. : ) Seriously folks new consoles are exciting!
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chukamachine  +   619d ago
Have to agree with DiRtY.

Valve makes some good games, and steam works well for it's users.

But I can't played Uncharted,Battlefield,GT,GOW, etc. On a steam box.

I already have a very nice pc.

I think a lot of this depends on what PS4/720 bring to the table.
C4BL3  +   619d ago
is it me or does Phil seem a bit butt hurt.
YodaCracker  +   619d ago
It's you.
SITH  +   619d ago
I got a PC with steam on it. I have zero desire to buy a smaller version of a PC running steam just to toss in my living room. The new Xbox however...
SirBradders  +   619d ago
More money then sense mate.
SITH  +   619d ago
Why, because I don't do what you do, buy what you buy, build what you build? I got more everything than you. Don't hate.
bluetoto  +   618d ago
Guess you'll feel better to know that valve has zero desire to appeal to you. This isn't for PC heads. How many times does this have to said. They are not interested in the elitist who have a super pc that runs X game at XY fps blah blah blah. They don't care and neither do the rest of us regular gamers.

They are going after the console gamer like me who are dieing to get into pc gaming without having to deal with the crap that comes with it, namely elitist pc heads to name some of the crap that comes along.

Have fun on your new Xbox playing halo 45 and gears 19, heaven help you if you buy an xbox to play multiplats lol
Xian  +   619d ago
Microsoft themselves had to build up the supply and manufacturing chain themselves just a little over a decade ago. Before the Xbox, about the only hardware they sold were mice and keyboards. Valve should be able to do the same, though they are going to have to grow as a company to do so, for instance they won't be able to rely on only having email support to deal with hardware issues.
The_KELRaTH  +   619d ago
Why settle for Sony/MS multi-platform low quality (by comparison) console ports when you can have the console it was designed on - the PC console.

The biggest take up issues will be price but if it's not too far away from PS4/ 720 pricing then I'd say it's got a great future.
Erudito87  +   619d ago
ms has become a joke to the pc gaming scene seriously gfwl was horrendous they only ever released halo1 to pc gamers windows 8 was horrible and now this warning WTF is wrong with ms? wait what now they care about pc gamers?
SegataShanshiro  +   619d ago
Wow you so smart! Stating facts and what not, surely makes you look smart here....but you should know that halo 2 is for pc too....
Garrison  +   619d ago
I love steam. I have a pc some some great steam games that I enjoy. I buy all of my games on steam.

I'm kinda worried about the whole thing thou. Steam sure did great things for pc gaming but now that it's coming with it's own console, what says that most pc devs won't just make games based on the specs of that console instead of actual kick-butt pc hardware?

This is something that could be actually one of the biggest blows to a pc games industry. Steam is doing just fine, wtf do they need to make a console for?
kevnb  +   619d ago
its not a console, its just a branded pc. Other companies make them too... Unless they sell like 10 million of them a year, dont worry about it.
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kevnb  +   619d ago
sigh, its not a console... How can we take an article like that seriously? The media is trying to put this against consoles for some reason, but it should be put up against similar pcs.
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Saryk  +   619d ago
Everyone and their mother puts PC versus consoles, so why not?
urwifeminder  +   619d ago
Its funny gabe gives microsoft flak but windows platform has made him a very rich man.
Saryk  +   619d ago
MS was about to bend over Valve and everyone else. If MS didn’t throw the first punch, Valve would be happy where they were. This is called Blowback!
rapidturtle  +   619d ago
Phil's just worried the consumer will wake up and realize that Xbox live is the biggest ripoff in the gaming industry.
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