Sony's console has apparently shipped more units than Microsoft. Allow IGN to explain why this matters and why Sony isn't telling us about it.
yea i dont understand whats the big deal, it was bound to happen even with a disastrous launch, a crazy price tag, the most expensive console on the market and lots of problems along the way it was bound to happen so whats the big deal? i think ps3 will get to 100m by the end of its lifecycle.
The big deal is because MS and Xbox fans have been going on about being first for ages, while the PS3 drags on behind them. Just because the PS3 now has won we now shouldn't say anything...I don't see how that's fair. Trust me if this was the other way round and MS beat Sony this would be a huge deal and IGN would be going on about it non stop. Sony deserves a little positive attitude since it's negative article after another these days.
Hey, if they shut up about it, so will I. I will never brag about sales numbers. I just wanted this to happen so people and the games media would lighten up on the subject and lay off all the doom and gloom. This hobby is supposed to be about fun afterall. PS PS3 lovers should be a bit more gracious about this too, everyone seems to be rubbing it in hard. I can understand that as its just happened after years of crap but I hope they dont go on with it for too long.
To be fair, the majority of people talking about xbox sales are Playstation Fanboys justifying why that is. But it's good news that they are doing well. It deserves it for all the support they gave the PS2 well after it's time was done alone.
Now that the PS3 has won? Won second place? It only took what? 7 years almost for them to ship into second?
"...but I hope they dont go on with it for too long." You mean for years? The same amount of time sales figures, particularly the North American numbers only, were rammed down like it was the end all be all. You know, the numbers that ignored the PS3 late start and the truth it was outselling the 360 worldwide every year. The fact is the PS3 has been outselling the 360 worldwide since launch. Yet within 4 months magazines like EGM and it's resident jerk editor Dan Hsu were publishing pictures of the PS3 on the cover with a tomato slammed against it asking what went wrong. He even wrote that he laughed when he showed Sony execs the picture of the cover. And he had the nerve to refer to himself as a journalist. Remember that the PS3 actually outsold the 360 at launch yet no one was publishing a picture of the 360 with a tomato. And they didn't put the 360 on the cover with the RROD debacle at it's zenith. It's been one rant after another, one PS3 is doomed article after another...FOR YEARS. And MS has been given a pass...FOR YEARS. The same people that attacked the PS3's launch price tag do not have the balls to write an article discussing the 360 launch price plus 7 years of Live and how much that cost. The fact that MS thought HDMI and Wifi were a waste. No one is discussing that and the eventual price tag. In fact trying to paint this role reversal as a ho hum matter is the order of the day. The same people that marched around the room chanting totals now want to forget the issue. No, okay? No. They saddled that pony way back when so it's time to ride. Personally I am waiting on the "Will the Xbox finish in 3rd place next generation too?" which will never come because we know if it was Sony there would be a waterfall of such articles. Now it's "So what" whereas before it was all about asking if Sony should leave gaming. Amazing how easily the prejudice shines through. At least I am honest about my preferences and do not cloak them in a pretense of lies.
In all fairness, all of the big three won. People should be happy that there are 3 big time console manufacturers that push and compete with each other. The biggest winners are the gamers. All this fanboy stuff really makes you miss out on some amazing games. My allegiance is to gaming, not a particular company, it would be a better place if everybody had the same viewpoint.
kellymeister just stfu..... you start your comment by saying "lets be fair" then like a troll say its Sony fanboys tlking about numbers lol of course thy are now bcus for years and years you had xbox trolls tlking crap about lead in sales. You reap what you sow now take your stealth troll comment and gtfo here
I miss the old days. Before the internet. When we didn't have instant access to sales numbers. We used to have to argue on the merits of the systems and games themselves. You'd think with the internet allowing people to communicate and offer new points of view on a discussion outside our personal bubbles, that it would have gotten better. But sadly, now it's all about sales numbers, sales regions, and speculative market analysis on why one outsold the other, or why one succeeded where the other failed despite having roughly equal sales, or what one manufacturer needs to do to get ahead next gen, or why one company is doomed. It's like the games have taken a back seat, when they should have always been at the forefront.
Well Said BathyJ, now lets all stop talking about sales and more about games again.
when 12/21/2012 happened and it wont if the ps3 sells 1 more unit than the 360. Where even the most diehard sony fan should give props to MS, is for them taking this generation more seriously than the last. Stiff competition only serves to make the parties involved want to better their product over the course of time. Both 360 and ps3 have evolved into more than what we saw them start out as. Respect to both sides for making it fun and entertaining.
Morgan, I dont disagree with anything you said, its all true. PS3 has received more (undeserved) hate than any other console or probably device in history. Hell it was in full swing 6 months before the PS3 launched. They wanted it to be stillborn. All I was hoping for is that PS3 lovers(which everyone should know by now that I am one)always say they are more grown up and mature. Now would be an excellent time to prove it by example. Its your choice of course, and I can understand if everyone wants to gloat a bit, its justified, but I'm personally not interested in rubbing it in, I just want everyone to get over it and get back to what gaming is about. Games.
Outshipped =/= outsold.
"The big deal is because MS and Xbox fans have been going on about being first for ages" No they haven't. Why would MS or it's fans claim first when they all know Nintendo has it? You do know Nintendo is top dog in console and hanhelds? Some people need to wear helmets.
The "so what" is that everyone and their mother have been holding this over Sony's head for the longest so now that things have changed and it's the other way around you try and make the claim that it's not a big deal? lulz
@DK286K with my my previous username doa766 I had counteless times tried explained to you that this day was going to come, maybe as far as two years back and you would not understand it now that you can see how wrong you have been all this time (and if this is not official just wait a few weeks and see) let me explain you about the media issue you just raised, maybe now you will get it since it is clear as day how wrong you can be the gaming media never gathered to arrange the doom of the PS3, it is called mob mentality, people and groups of people in particular want to see the big guy fail, it happens all the time, there is no gathering required for this to happen I don't know you follow movie news like game news but a very similar situation to the PS3 early days took place on the weeks before Avatar came out, literally dozens of articles calling james Cameron washed up, lunatic, etc and his new movie named a failure before it came out and then it went on to become nnumber one of all time, this was because the media wanted him to failed all the unfairness was real
It's not a big deal yet you people thought it was important enough to make a video about how unimportant the issue really is. ha!
Dont bother arguing with DAK286K He'll just scream at you here and in PM , call you a fanboy, then block you. He knows his Battleship Xbox has sunk.
you know the funny thing about this report is it conflicts with Sony official numbers from December, now Sony own statement was 70 mill how the hell did this report come up with more shipped numbers then the company that produces the product. there is no way any one should think this is true, the fact that you fan-boys are taking this serious shows how far your head is up Sony ass. OK if this is real can you explain why Sony or Microsoft hasn't responded to it? I understand these are shipped numbers but how the fack do they get 7 mill more then Sony and people take them seriously. Now these are December numbers so this happened way back in December and Sony just miss counted so bad they miss counted 7 million consoles, BULLSHIT, And O they also forgot that if this was true they would have out shipped them by 7 million but just didn't think to mentioned it. look it's not a big deal if the PS3 does pass 360, congrats when it happens, but it is a big deal when something is obviously not true and is being taken serious. like I said I will believe this ONLY when I hear about it from Sony.
@DK286K "EDIT - a quick Google search of "PS3 is doomed" returned 962,000 results. "Xbox 360 is doomed" returned 1,010,000 results." -DK286K Your google searching is flawed. You didn't use the quotes, so you're getting articles that include any combination of those words. For example, your 360 results could say "Nintendo is doomed, I like the Xbox 360". Actual google results for most direct references to the consoles being doomed: 293000 - "ps3 is doomed" 139000 - "360 is doomed" The searches you used have lower results for the 360, because you got more specific with Xbox included in front: 293000 - "ps3 is doomed" 95300 - "xbox 360 is doomed" Note this doesn't mean 139000 + 95300 = 234300 '360 is doomed' articles, it means that 43700 simply don't have Xbox directly in front of '360 is doomed'. Alternate spellings/usages: +4110 - "playstation 3 is doomed" +9 - "ps 3 is doomed" +6 - "playstation3 is doomed" +3070 - "xbox360 is doomed" +1830 - "x360 is doomed" ["360 is doomed" may actually include these, not sure, so I'll add them anyway] 297125 vs. 143900; at least 2.06x more PS3 is Doomed articles, forum posts, etc.
Just a couple more examples on how DK's google searching was flawed for any possible future disagreers to what I posted above. 3230000 - animal lampshade is doomed 0 - Actual "animal lampshade is doomed" articles 618000 - mayonnaise toothpick is doomed 0 - Actual "mayonnaise toothpick is doomed" articles
@Morganfell: take a look at your agrees and disagrees. I think that more or less proves that you are spot on with your comment. Bubble
Judging by agrees, Kellymeister is all right about the fact, the only people really talking about this is playstation fanboys. Which I think is accurate. I cannot see a single troll comment on this article. It's all PS fans talking about PS. Yet, feast your eyes on the new article about Microsofts London Studio and the top 10 comments are all PS trolls. N4G is full of injustice!
@ Bathyj While I tend to like your comments often, I disagree. This gen IGN and gaming media promoted this fanboy war at every step of the way. Now all of a sudden it doesn't matter. They were all wrong and now they have to eat humble pie. Sony passes the Xbox and now it doesn't matter. Way to move the goal posts. Here's the list of crap that was reported as fact with no true discussion in the media. PS3 will not reach 30 million console sales Harddrive not needed Blu-ray is not needed Wi-Fi is not needed It has no games It's weak I can't stress enough how much this crap was posted again and again. A lot of Xbox gamers tore up the internet lashing out at any and all Ps3 fans. We endured this for 2 straight years. With no relief from the mods of those sites. Even today it's has Sony lost it's way? Is Sony doomed? Sony to stay in last place? It's old and any response from Sony fans are justified. Remember Sony has no games? Then it went Sony doesn't have exclusives? To, Sony has no AAA games? Then it went to, Xbox live is better? We went from games to social ability of a console is more important then the games. Then the status quo of exclusives moved to it's not on Ps3. Once all those arguments played out, it then moved to PC is better. We as gamers used to talk about games. Even the media used to talk about games. Microsoft came in and muddied up this industry and the media. Playstation and Nintendo gamers used to get along and even Sega. It wasn't poisonous as it is now. The media this gen has been completely disrespectful to Sony and us gamers. Any backlash is deserved even if I agree we should move on.
At the end of the day, the fact still remains... PS3 managed to outsell 360 worldwide even though the 360 had one year head start. That's a pretty big achievement. From the words of the legend himself, winning's winning. http://www.youtube.com/watc... (fastforward to 1:20)
"PS3 will not reach 30 million console sales" technically it hasnt in north amarica or Europe or even Japan. In total it has but your comment does not specify general or specifics. "Harddrive not needed" I think this was more about the 360 than PS3. we all know the hdd helps on the 360 but it is needed on the PS3. "Blu-ray is not needed" this one is still questionable. Granted the capacity of the format is beneficial but the overall nature we were lead to believe made it seem like there would be a night/day difference in the games as compared to DVD media. We are seeing a small percentage of games that differentiate themselves in graphical fidelity thanks to that extra space. The majority of games in general look the same no matter if DVD or bluray. "Wi-Fi is not needed" Another one directed to the 360. It did not "need" wifi but it always had the option until it was cost effective to build into the unit. It certainly represents a nice convenience but anyone will say that LAN is the preferred method for connectivity. unless of course, you have no other option. "It has no games" To be clear, it didnt at first. well to be specific, many left off a key word to that phrase. "Appealing" games. Everyone finds games appealing in different ways. The PS3 had many games but it was more about if they were appealing to the individual. The same can be said about every other console in history. "It's weak" this one is debatable but when you look at what amounts to a $600 machine and compare it with one half the price it does make you wonder why is there such a price gap. By no means is PS3 weak but on the same note, it isnt that to dissimilar to the 360. This particular console generation marks the first time the two main competitors have been the closest matched (tech-wise) than any other before it. The biggest differentiator would be the format itself. DVD vs bluray. I just had to ellaborate on your different bullet points but dont take the comments as a negative. MS and the 360 sold to a tough market against veteran legend Nintendo and the reigning champ of sony and managed to gain quite a bit of respect in the end. Sony was selling against the 360 and wii but also themselves with the continued availability of the ps2. Nintendo kept telling everyone they were going after a different market but we all know they were just as much interested in the "consumer" market as much as the next guy. Sony did good in the eyes of the gamer but it isnt us they have to impress at the end of the day with all these figures. The main goal of ANY corporation is to sell their product to the masses at a percentage that either breaks even with their initial product or exceeds it. AS A WHOLE....the PS3 still has some ground to make up to be on par with the PS1 and PS2. Keep in mind that Sony still has expectations that have not been met while our expectations of it delivering great games has been met and continues to be met.
RE: Outship =/= Outsold. 1. No it doesn't, but there is no way we can know sold numbers other than for North America, which is tracked by NPD. And these ARE estimates, but are usually quite accurate because they are based on a small sample of real data from stores and then extrapolated, however they don't include sales from supermarkets like Walmart. 2. It does imply it though, because if something has been outshipped, it will eventually be outsold, even if it is not immediately. --------- The other thing is, the fanboy war was stirred up on purpose to give websites like this a lot of hits. And it has worked very well in this generation, but as it is coming to a close, you'll find a lot of fanboys have calmed down a little, which is why flamebait articles are not giving websites as many hits as they used to. Now they are spilling out the "It's doomed" articles for the 3DS, Wii U and PSVita. And they will do exactly the same for the PS4 and 720. It's the circle of games journalism, and it rules us all...
According to the report, PS3 stands at about 77 million, while Xbox 360 is at 76 million. That’s despite Microsoft’s box getting a 12-month head start on its leading rival and maintaining the advantage ever since – or at least, up until last month.
I totally agree Root. I feel that MS instead of making good decisions, they have IGN and other companies as their lap dogs, and in a way, rather than giving something to gamers, they stop gamers from having something amazing, in this particular situation, a chance to play great stories like MGS4, or Heavy Rain, or even Uncharted, tough I didn't like Uncharted too much.
@mandf I remember when MS went on and on about how we didn't even need HDMI
Ps3 jumps a place and suddenly "UHHH, ummm, oh yeah? Who cares?!!?"
I can see your point. But then it makes you just as bad as the 360 fanboys :/ Thank god I'm no fanboy of any platform. I'm multiplatformed ftw :) (PS3, 360, PC, Wii U, Vita)
The problem with these numbers is that you can channel stuff. Furthermore it is even clear how this number is obtained. Being that the competitors are so close, it is within the margin of error. Furthermore: "It’s also important to note that it’s unclear if these numbers were garnered straight from sources at Sony and Microsoft, or are part of IDC’s overall forecast." http://www.ign.com/articles... What we do know is that Sony has to make up 700k consoles minimum in a different region (than US) in December alone to just match MS in sales for the US. That is hard to believe in my opinion when most other regions don't sell as well during the holidays. Another thing is that it appears to me that MS is no longer competing for market share, but for profitability and ramping up for next generation.