As usual, Microsoft has provided a monthly response to the latest batch of NPD data.
their original xbox sold to a 1/3 in total units to the 360. i'd say MS is more than satisfied with their 2nd outing. We have reached a point that (i would guess) the systems sold to both MS and sony are from users who had one or the other. they have matured to understand there isnt anything wrong with playing both sides. I honestly dont think there are nearly as many one sided holdouts anymore now than there was 5-6 years ago. That's a good thing as there are more that can appreciate what each platform has to offer.
Of course they are and so was Nintendo with the Wii. With Sony it depends on how you look at it. Comparably they are doing well too but if you take how Sony did the previous 2 generations then it looks like they lost a major chunk of the market that they used to be a dominant player in. I would also like to know why people are so adamant about talking worldwide numbers in a topic clearly stating NPD which we all know now isn't worldwide figures. Since I live in the U.S. those numbers are far more relevant to me because it means Western studios are very likely to support it. It also means when it comes to online play it will be very easy to have people to play with and not have to deal with playing people across the globe with things like lag being an issue. This isn't about the U.S. being the best market, it's about a market that is more relevant to me. Do you think Japanese gamers care at all how well the Xbox 360 is doing here? In fact many games don't even come here that we even know about. Microsoft still needs to majorly improve in other regions. They have done very well in the U.S. and pretty good in certain areas in Europe but other key areas need addressing. That's a whole different topic and one that doesn't really belong in a NPD topic.
I agree with you. Sony have been the biggest losers this gen losing the market to both MS and Nintendo. Nintendo shocked the world by how well the Wii sold and MS shocked a lot of the core on how well it has done as at the beginning people were saying they had no chance again this gen but it did very well. Sony can take a big + from this gen as they were so far behind the other 2 at one point it looked bad for them but they have pulled the numbers back over the last few years. What a lot of people don't realise or want to say is that no one can be top for ever. Look at the PC market and how it has changed to be tablets and phones that are now becoming the main devices to get your emails ect from and Apple are the top of this tree but Google and Microsoft are now starting to shift there own products and one of them will end up taking it from Apple just like they did from MS. No one knows who will come out on top next gen but I see it as all 3 being very close next gen as they all have a big name about them now and to me I would rather have this than one leading the way as it keep all 3 pushing each other and offering us gamers the best experience on there consoles.
I don't think Sony was a big loser, they just had much better competition. Which is why like I say, all of them are going to have to work harder gaining our business. It took Sony a couple of years to get their groove on with the PS3. Games starting coming in and most importantly they got pricing under control. Do you really think the system would have been lowered to $299 that quickly if Nintendo and Microsoft weren't as competitive. You're right, it is hard to stay on top. When you have 3rd party publishers no longer favoring one system in a dominant fashion like we saw on the PS2, it makes each much more accountable. So they need to step up their game. Whether it be better marketing, showcasing the hardware through exclusives, trying different forms of gameplay, focusing on offering the best online service or offering the a system that can do much more than just play games. It's a whole combination of things. It's not who has the most exclusives, it's not who has the most money, it's not who has the most powerful system either.
Darth I think you're onto something in regard to the number of one console holdouts this gen versus last. Makes sense basically a three way tie. And I agree its a very GOOD thing. Bubble.
Price is a big point in the U.S Cheapest PS3 is 269.99 Cheapest 360 is 199.99/179.99 Who buys consoles this late in the generation? Casuals And what do casuals look for....Price. This gen Sony is trying to recoup the losses from the gen because off the 600 dollar price tag while they were still losing money per console. MS has the price advantage this gen. It won't happen next-gen though. Sony should bring over the 12 GB PS3 from Europe so it can compete with the 360s cheapest model instead of getting undercut in the price by MS.
Look at all the xbox nerds breathing a sigh of relief today. xD Yesterday numbers didn't matter but today they do. lol I really feel bad for those that bought 8yr old hardware for 200 bones when the next hardware is about to debut in a few months. Shame on you MS for selling outdated hardware.
@TheGamerDood Same could be said for all the PS3 nerds like yourself that charged into an xbox 360 article talking about ps3 sales or trying to start some console debate...plus right now both consoles aren't outdated yet, not until next gen hits anyways.
@darth... I guess i'm one of the very few that continues to side with just one... Some might say that i'm missing out but i don't feel like i am, there are comparable games for each system (if you want to talk exclusives) but i've grown into a casual gamer so i really don't have the need nor the desire to support more than one gaming system... And i do recall during the 16 bit era that people tended to support just one system and there was nothing wrong with that. Doing so made sega and nintendo push each other which that type of competition is sorely missed in today's generation.
Trying to reply to "MikeMyers" but won't let me so I'm adding it here. I understand your point about which market were talking about and how it's relevant to us as Americans, that's all very true. But when read as is, it's taking the consoles true sales out of context. It makes it sound like the most preferred and bought console out there, is Xbox 360. But it's not, it's just true of the US. Worldwide it's not really the best selling and most preferred consoles... That's why people argue the point, but the "NPD" is very vague for the general reader, clicking the article. It's a misleading non-truth. Worldwide PS3 oustsold the 360 in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, and 2012. That's 5 of the 7 years both systems were on the market....Really changes the perception of how well each system is doing doesn't it.
was trying to put this up here... Trying to reply to "MikeMyers" but won't let me so I'm adding it here. I understand your point about which market were talking about and how it's relevant to us as Americans, that's all very true. But when read as is, it's taking the consoles true sales out of context. It makes it sound like the most preferred and bought console out there, is Xbox 360. But it's not, it's just true of the US. Worldwide it's not really the best selling and most preferred consoles... That's why people argue the point, but the "NPD" is very vague for the general reader, clicking the article. It's a misleading non-truth. Worldwide PS3 oustsold the 360 in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, and 2012. That's 5 of the 7 years both systems were on the market....Really changes the perception of how well each system is doing doesn't it.
Cheapest PS3 is 269.99 Cheapest 360 is 199.99/179.99 Add on Xbox live and PS3 is a LOT cheaper. As not many buy a console for offline gaming these days. People may compare PS+ but you dont need PS+ to play online. You can compare PS to Xbox live till you go blue in the face but the fact is most people like myself just wanna play games and play them online. Most don't even use headsets anymore unless with there friends thanks to the amount of crap we get. So PS3 is not the most expensive how come only America cannot see this people would say looking at the stats? Well its not about price to Americans its about buying American..
So let me get this straight, so when the 360 sells 1.4 million its a great deal, good news, party, woo hoo! but when its reported that Sony has outsold MS 77 million to 76 million, its so what, who cares? big deal! but yeah there's no media bias right? Or fanboy bullsh!t
I know this is a little debatable based on timing and coincidence but at least on 4 or 5 occasions while at a local Future Shop I saw at least 2 or 3 groups of parents looking for the "xbox thing with the kinect" and picking up games to go along with it as Christmas gift this past Christmas. So ultimately, at least in Canada I find it hard to believe that "NPD is lying" or something like that. Microsoft has a firm stranglehold in my area generally speaking and it seems to show in places like EB Games where the wall is much larger space wise for Xbox 360 and a large amount of people I know at University own Xbox 360. The ratio is probably 10:1. But originally I am from a smaller town where PS3 was also pretty popular among people with probably a ratio in our town of 3:1 so...Like I said, I guess it's pretty random but where I live in the city Xbox is really popular.
Rendermonk, you couldn't respond most likely because your reply is attached to someone who had their response hidden for trolling. I have one comment left so let's see if I can make it a good one. Quote: "I understand your point about which market were talking about and how it's relevant to us as Americans, that's all very true. But when read as is, it's taking the consoles true sales out of context. It makes it sound like the most preferred and bought console out there, is Xbox 360. But it's not, it's just true of the US." But this topic is clearly about NPD stats which don't take into context worldwide figures. "Worldwide it's not really the best selling and most preferred consoles... That's why people argue the point, but the "NPD" is very vague for the general reader, clicking the article. It's a misleading non-truth. Worldwide PS3 oustsold the 360 in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, and 2012. That's 5 of the 7 years both systems were on the market....Really changes the perception of how well each system is doing doesn't it. " end quote It only changes the perception if that is how your interpret it. Your interpretation is missing one key area and that is this is about NPD stats, not worldwide stats. So when the daily news comes on at night do you tell whoever is watching that the crime rate doesn't mean anything because worldwide it's not that bad? You are the one taking the article out of context. I'm not saying the Xbox 360 is the preferred system worldwide, you are. In the U.S. sales data shows the Xbox 360 is outselling the PS3. So? What is there really to feel threatened about if you only care about worldwide stats? I've said it before and I will say it again, I don't care what sales charts are happening in Japan for hardware or software. That is no disrespect. Some of those games don't even make it here unless you import them. When I go on the Rotten Tomatoes site it shows me movies I may be interested in and what's popular and so forth. The information is tailored to my interests. I'm pretty sure Japanese gamers don't really pay much attention to how well the Xbox 360 is doing, period. Let alone in the U.S. I'm not bothered by that and I am certainly not bothered by Sony or Nintendo releasing sales data for the European market, Japanese market or even the U.S. market, which some they do. I don't go into those articles and say, "but those aren't worldwide figures". The U.S. region is the largest region for sales. When you allocate hardware and software sales for all 3 consoles combined the U.S. territory is larger than both Europe and Asia. That may be why some highlight the numbers more or it could be just another case of the media serving the needs of Americans who probably frequent these articles more than Europeans and Asians.
i see people arguing all the time, let's just say all 3 consoles were successful and all 3 did some things right and some wrong. This gen was a huge success for MS because the original xbox wasn't that successful, ps3 started out bad with huge price point and not a lot of games to where now its #2 on the list behind wii and it has had the best exclusives this gen. 2 things i want to say: xbox360 came out a year earlier, and 1.5 years earlier in europe from ps3 yet ps3 has outsold xbox360 since day one at a much higher price point. now to my 2nd point, sony recently started making money on ps3 so this late success is much needed for them a company not just a gaming brand. I think we can all agree on this: competition is great for us as gamers since 3 companies are competing for our dollars.
first, was that based on your opening statement i thought it was going to be a more neutral stance on things. second, reading the rest proves that you are making excuses for the first. honestly, there is nothing wrong with taking a middle of the road approach to things like game consoles. Picking sides is pointless which leads to that last part of your comment. competition IS great for us as gamers. Lets just leave it at that.
darthv72 i don't think i took any sides, i stated the facts. sony started out bad because of arrogance,high price and not a lot of games along with difficult development for cell processor ms started out great but a lot of that goes to them having an open season on the market with no competition, they released an unfinished console and lost billions doing that. than after 2010 their message changed from we care about core gamers to better with kienct i bought xbox360 and ps3 at launch. one company has only gone up while other has gone after we want this box to be in your living room for everything but gaming. competition was great for sonby because after huge success with ps1 and ps2 they became very arrogant so i am hopeful with ps4 launching with next xbox that MS will have a rude awakening too just to realize we the core gamers made them success and now they have totally forgotten about us. so i am not picking any sides both sides by the way have pros and cons, early on it was ms with xbox brand leading the way now sony has caught up to them and have produced better software support from within their 1st party studios
Competition is not always great for gamers it leads to division and segregation. Its why we have to buy 2 or 3 consoles just to enjoy our favourite games and now its got to the fact where that's only 1 or 2 games thanks to exclusives being so small. I hate the fact each console has almost exactly the same games minus a couple of exclusives. As I have to buy a console now for 1 or 2 games if I really want to play them. I also hate the fact that thanks to competition we have stupid things like exclusive DLC its not good for the consumer so just quit with the competition argument. I would honestly love an MS/Sony joint Console with MS making the software and Sony the hardware as MS know how to make software I mean they make billions from it every year (people may disagree but they are probably sat at a windows computer now). And Sony have been making Hardware since I was born and I am nearly 31! They own rights to blu-ray meaning a lower price console too and it will probably mean non proprietary. Nintendo will still be around for "competition" if you need it but it would end the major fanboy wars and the stupid exclusive crap like DLC. We might actually see a great generation for GAMERS. This generation for me has been a bust and I stopped playing my ps3 and 360 over a year ago and upgraded my PC and have been playing that now for over 2 years.
@GalacticEmpire @Merrill, If that were true SONY would respond to its shareholders EXACTLY how M$ just responded to their shareholders! SONY won't do that, it would be lying to its shareholders, they'd get sued for that.
@ whoyouwit04 I predicted PS3 passing the 360 in December 6 to 8 months ago (off by one month). Anyone who was paying attention saw this coming a mile away. Dont scramble now, it comes off as desperate. Even if the numbers are a little off, PS3 has/is going to pass 360 easily.
The problem with that is that I think every year since PS3 launched, Sony fans have been saying the same thing.. every damn year.
@sarcasm lol so now its the xbox that has an advantage because it launched before the ps3? I would say ps3 has the advantage cause the tech is a year newer. Sure MS had a year more to sell, but this article is just about the December sales. I think most 'real' gamers got their console of choice already and MS and sony are now realing in the casual gamers, which is kinda sad imo, im noticing a lot of good games (even whole franchises) are getting dumbed down and less extensive, just to make it less complicated for the new casual gamers. All this fanboy war going on is pretty lame too.. Most ps3, 360 and pc gamers are all enjoying the same kind of games so why hate on each other, u guys are acting like you get a part of the cash Sony and MS are making
LOL gotta love N4G and the internet. A story about good sales for the 360 turns into a bunch of PS3 fanboys charging in on the defensive that in turn starts a war of rumors about which console has sold more...who cares people? seriously...
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hmmm, wonder if MICROSOFT speaking the truth. everyone in U.S. should have a 360 by now. im sure European and Japanese gamers not adding to that 1.4 million With only halo,gears,forza how is those increase possible?????
America fool.. 360 is so far ahead here its not funny.
This MESSAGE is for 99 percent of the N4g community: Stop posting lame messages below articles with your pseudo intellectual, business-mind wannabe strategies on what multi million/billion dollar companies should or shouldn't be doing. Just because you took a few economic classes in college and learned a few big words doesn't mean you know anything. No one on here has any true investment wisdom, so stop stroking each other off and go get job's in the stock market if you're so damn "smart"
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Sony’s PlayStation 3 has eclipsed the Xbox 360 in global shipments, according to a market analysis document by the International Data Corporation. As reported by GI.biz, the document by Lewis Ward – titled Worldwide Video Game Entertainment Console Hardware and Packaged Software 2012 – 2016 Forecast – contains shipment figures for both Sony and Microsoft’s current-gen machines as of December 2012. According to the report, PS3 stands at about 77 million, while Xbox 360 is at 76 million. That’s despite Microsoft’s box getting a 12-month head start on its leading rival and maintaining the advantage ever since – or at least, up until last month.