Playeressence's Furious Francis discusses how the PS4 doesn't need to be the cutting edge monster the PS3 was at launch to sell the most consoles next generation.
"looks at my PS2" it actually benefited them not being the most powerful system
even though more power don't hurt any one and would be a plus just look at ps3 1st party games we have and the upcoming ps3 exclusives this year but all i care about is games and sony will get my money because of that
Thats the whole point of the article, Sony didn't go on this power hunt till the PS3. The PS2 was great and the games looked fantastic and it was the weakest out of the Xbox and Gamecube. Price is going to be a huge factor. If Sony could some how make the PS4, $349.99. It will do extremely well next generation.
it has to be most powerful for me, its just a more of a guaranty that it will provide best results in long terms... EDIT: and I agree above that power is not everything.. PS2 best memories!!!
If they are missing 2013 and launching in 2014 (huge mistake, if it happens), then YES, they do need the strongest console. If they launch day and date with the Nextbox, then they can probably get by with slightly less power than their direct (MS) competitor. Launching later and offering less power, plus more shoddy "works better on Nextbox" ports would be a mess. People making comparisons to the PS2 seem to forget that Sony was the market leader in those days. Now they're not. They don't have the benefit of coming off a hugely successful PSX, PS2 generation beforehand. PS2 only benefited because it had the market locked down from the previous gen, so every developer was already on board. Sony could really seize next gen, but they need A.) A good price B.) Strong 3rd party relations (See AC III for an example of that - selling better on the PS3 for a multiplat, that's amazing) C.) Bleeding edge tech that people have come to expect of them.
@the yellow This article is bs,know one can say Sony wasn't on a power quest until the ps3 because not many of us had Internet back in the late 90's early 2000's,I remember people saying that the ps2 could push more polygons than the xbox1.
@zebramocha Dial-up and many of the techsavvy people here must have had internet in those days. And if not you can still search for articles written in the past on the internet you know.
Kaz needs to make major changes at Sony. The Playstation division is one of the few areas they have found some success in as of late. I doubt they are going to get into new types of formats or go in a different direction that makes things harder for game programmers again. I expect a more reserved system that focuses more on key franchises. The PS3 had a lot of exclusives but not all of them were a success. They have already closed down a few studios. The most powerful is often not the most successful and as the new generation of platforms looms I expect gamers to be less loyal and more open to see what all the new systems have to offer.
@Zebramocha , The ps2 was the first out between MS , Nintendo and Sony. Metroid prime 1 destroyed everything on Ps2 graphically and ran at 60FPS in progressive scan. The Xbox edged them both out with games such as KOTOR which looked amazing.... Ps2 had great graphics , but remember , Resident evil 4 had to be downscaled in its port to PS2 from Gamecube and came out looking a lot worse than it did on gamecube. The major advantage Ps2 had over gamecube was Disc Storage , A game Like San andreas simply wouldn't fit onto a Gamecube disc. But a game like Metroid prime , F-zero , Windwaker simply wouldn't run on Ps2.
@king jak & daxter ran at 60 fps had bigger environment,was third person and a launch title,there are othe games techniquely thought impossible on the ps2.
The problem is Microsoft's More Money & More Power campaign to gaming. Typical American way of handling stuff. Everyone knows Sony & Nintendo combined can not outspend M$ in those departments. So like Nintendo did with the Wii, Sony should wise up and not go head to head with M$ in those terms & and use the current economic recession on their side. Sony will undoubtedly go back to their PS1 & PS2 roots in terms of balanced price point & power to keep both core hobby gamers and developers satisfied in the graphics, AI & gameplay department. Like they did with the PS3 Slim they will only put the important stuff. As The Last of Us is any indication, the new generation of gameplay will be more cerebral and will depend much to AI interaction as opposed to hardware gimmicks. There fore Sony might focus on more RAM. Also Sony should simply continue to do what it does best : planting the seeds of New Game IPs and ideas, diversity, variety, Indie game support, lots of free stuff, PS+, Gaikai cloud gaming, but of course a big push in marketing, which is severely lacking now, is much needed.
Ps3 is a great console, but it will do no one any good to repeat it. Ps3 could have been less powerful (Or more traditional in hardware - either way, less pricey from the start) and I would have still loved playing games like Infamous, LBP, Demon's Souls, etc. Probably more people would have, too.
@bicfitness: During the PS2 era, developers was actually afraid of just association with MS. Sony didn't care about their developers, and made systems without their input. That's how bad it was. That's all changed now with MS successfully shifting the game industry from Japanese to the west. Providing developer support (MS sent engineers out to developers) and developed a console with proper developer input. Sony didn't get third party developer input, and hence the PS3 ended up as it did. Lots of power you can't really use and a huge price tag. This generation (not next, because Nintendo already started the next generation), is all about who can build the better service, manages hardware production better yielding lower price and has the more balanced system (i.e. not hard to program for and the strengths are catered towards programs). Being more powerfull or less (if the gap isn't too big) isn't as important as how the whole the end user views the whole value. There is a reason why the Xbox 360 still sells as wells as it does without all the extra hardware and exclusives.
to be stronger than the Tegra 4 (which output 4k video) and handles Unreal Engine 4. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... If ps4 is atleast 5 times faster than ps3, than we can expect to see at least one or two games running at 4k resolution. It should be noted that sony ran the 4k demo with 4 ps3s connected. So if anyone says ps4 won't do it then throw this video at them.
only clowns need 4k
same thing about HD when it was first announced. Given SOny's CES press Confeence and the big industry push for 4k, PS4 will have it. Some of you are thinking it's mandatory, no it's not. It will simply support it just like the ps3 didn't initially support 3d, but did at a later time. That's all i'm saying. Sony doesn't think one or two years ahead, they think five or ten years ahead. It's called future proofing your hardware. Another thing is if you don't think that the GPU in ps4 will be stronger than a Tegra 4, you're out of your mind. If that were the case then Nvidia's shield should be considered a next gen console. It's an open platform (android) with expandable memory slots, and hdmi out port. Tegra4 was shown running EPIC's latest Unreal Engine 4. How do you disagree with a video where it's showing you GT5 running off of four ps3 at 4k resolution. What I was stating wasn't a theory, but something that has been done before. I guess you have to look at if from a LOGICAL standpoint instead of an OBJECTIVE one. If SONY has proved that they can run a game @ 4k using 4 ps3s. Couldn't one assume that if ps4 is 4 times as powerful as ps3, that if could run 4k games? Just like 3d was with ps3, 4k will be there as an option for those who have it. GT5 4k demo = 4 ps3s 1 ps4 = 4 ps3s GT5 4k demo = 1 ps4
I'd rather have the PS4 use that extra power to render with more complexity at 1080p 60fps, than have a a 4K game with PS3 level details. PS4 will probably be a hub for playing back 4K content. I'll happily play games at 1080p and 60fps. Also, if a game looked as good as a 720p movie with ultra-realistic rendering without jaggies, I'll take that too!
@Muerte You are out of your mind. I think it's safe to expect PS4/X720 to run games at 720p(60fps) and 1080p(30fps) for the most part, but of course with exceptions where some 1080p games will run at 60fps. 4K games is utopia (unless it's Styx or Solitaire). @hesido I'm pretty sure you can forget 1080p 60fps on complex game types like Skyrim, GTA, etc..
On the PS4 1080p 30-60fps will be what 720p 30fps was to the ps3. 4k will be what 1080p was on the PS3. Expect 4k mini games that are the equivalent of wipe out but look much better like GT5 on PSN. And expect full release games that look similar to the Unreal Engine 4 tech demo to run at 1080p 30-60fps.
@Gumtrol I agree with you 100%. The sad part is that PlayStation fanboys think PS4 will be über powerfull and run all games in 1080p/60fps and 4K/30fps. Just like they thought PS3 would run dual screen 1080p games, they're still gullible and living in a fantasy. To be able to run complex games with high quality rendering, and lots of gfx effects you need a beast of a GPU, something the PS4 will absolutely not have. I mean a GTX680 alone today costs more than what a PS4 will cost. The GPU in the PS4 won't be even close to a GTX 680. Fanboys are delusional as always.
This 4K resolution for gaming on a console is a pipe dream it's not going to happen unless the system is $600+ get a PC if you want this. However I bet the PS4 will support 4K resolution for Movies.
my entire comment and take only bits and pieces from it. "...we can expect to see at least ONE or TWO games running at 4k resolution.." I never said that that would be the standard for games. Gumtrol pretty much repeated what I said. I'm just providing evidence that this will indeed be supported on ps4. @Bordel_1900 that's why I posted the video. The demo showed being rendered @ 4k so utopia is here i guess.
Here we go again. The magical 4k that will somehow magically run at 60fps on peoples 1080p TVs. Video playback 4k @ 30 - probably Iphone style download games - probably UPSCALED 4k - possibly Native 4k - Not a snowflakes hope in hell If they can get ALL games 1080p at 60 fps I'd call it a good day.
4K is a long ways off from becoming relevant. Allow me to explain. 1.) High end PC's can't run games optimized at 4K resolution. What makes anybody think a console can achieve anywhere near this type of performance. 2.) 4K HDTV's are priced starting at $20,000 and above. Seeing as how ther is NO demand for 4K HDTV's then I don;t see the price coming down significantly any time soon. 3.) Currently there is little to no 4K media being manufactured or distributed for purchase. Plus Cable/Satellite providers are barely starting to push 1080P content. The bottom line is 1080P still isnt the standard and until 1080P becomes the standard and there is a demand to push beyond 1080P then perhaps Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo should focus on 1080P.
I don't mind it to be less poverfull... BUT! I will stop comming on N4G, cause the 1000 comparison articles will be, " Xbox wins, sony is dommed" No matter if the look is the same...Sigh.
Yeah I was going to write this. Next gen, all these microscopic comparisons must stop! They should only make comparisons if the differences are actually noticeable.
Are you serious? That won't happen because N4G is full of people like you.
look at nintendo
So people say the WiiU is useless and will fall behind and won't get 3rd party support because it's weak specs, but it will work with PS4 ?!!!!!
Thats........yea you have a point. I personal think the wii u is fine and i see the next ps and xbox being near the same but thats just my opinion. I been saying it for over a year now but regardless i'll pick up uncharted 4 even if it shows on a atari.
Were still assuming that the ps4 is still way more powerful than wii u even if its not most powerful system available. Wii U is current gen capabilities. Plus Sony has the games we want. Mario and Zelda alone don't justify a Wii U purchase for me. I'll play those Nintendo games after the Wii U dies and is dirt cheep.
Everyone is always saying the wiiU isn't a leap and I just don't understand. I can see what you mean :S We don't know yet. All because the games that are ports or remakes run badly. This makes no sense as look at things that are ported to ps3 (skyrim can be a good example) ran badly. Also when Xbox 360 first released there wasn't a huge jump then either. Also clock speeds aren't the main factor to look at its the architecture of the CPU and the console as a whole. I just don't see the point of being a fan of one brand and slagging off all the others is necessary as a company isn't gonna come and give you loads of money for doing that.
It's always been about the exclusives and I see no short list of whats soon to come this year. They keep on providing us with AAA titles year after year. The only thing they need to do is price the PS4 at an acceptable medium, they do that and they're set.
At the time of release, it was the most powerful though.
compare to what the dreamcast? the xbox and gamecube came out a year after the PS2
Why was everyone raving about the wii u for then not being powerful especially the Sony fanboys?
It's all about the games when it's all said and done. Power is a huge plus though.
Ps3 will be most powerful even if 720 is higher spec. MS doesn't have the 1st party hardware pushing nerds like sony.
i don't know how powerful ps4 will be but i thing i can say for a fact is ps4 will not be loosing money from day one. Sony is in too much trouble as is. 1.so expect a system which is developer friendly 2.expect a system with user friendly price point of $399 and if a 2nd SKU than that will be $349 3.games,games and a lot of games 4.a more enhanced/faster,improved version of PSN at launch(still free) if any of you need proff on why i said $399 than look at Vita when most thought it would be a $349 system it was revealed as $249. so after the mess pricing wise that ps3 was i don't think sony is looking to start out like that again developers complained till today that ps3 isn't easy to develop for so expect a developer friendly system, meaning much better support at launch and throughout I wouldn't be surprised if sony already hasn't asked the developer community for their feedback about ps3 development tools games,games, and more games. if there is one lesson to be had from ps3 and Vita its that software matters. so expect atleast 2 Killer games at launch and more throughout the first 12 months steadily Uncharted 4 killzone 4 both at Launch would be dreamy show Gt6 with release date and no delays Show Last guardian running on ps3(on stage demo) Left for dead 3 confirmed for ps4-gabe on stage again infamous 3 or sucker punch's new game huge surprise being RS on stage showing Agent more surprises show FF13 versus running on ps4(may not longer be a exclusive though) and to close the show Gabe Comes back on stage to confirm half-life 3 coming to next gen consoles/pc. Killer E3 IMO
LoL... you gotta be kidding... IF PS4 comes out the gate weak, they will get eaten alive... Oh you think Xbox is just going to say, oh they are coming weak so lets tune down our system too... LMAO.. What are you stupid??? Of course they can't do a weak system, because then even I would buy a Xbox 720 over a PS4 if that happens.. sure they can pull a Nintendo and make a Wii - But only and I repeat, only if they want to watch the competition eat their breakfast, lunch and dinner... .____........___...____ .____||......||.......____|| ||.........___||.......____||
Yep, another example: look at the 3DS now compared to the Vita, same thing. 3DS = weaker console, sells a ton, gets a ton of amazing games. Vita = amazing hardware, doesn't move off store shelves, only gets a handful of good games.
If they can get power without highcost, go for it. If not...make it powerful, but dont try to use innovative tech to make it so. That will also reduce cost significantly.
why do everyone argue ps2 was the weakest, like it was one of the first consoles of its gen so naturally something coming out later like the xbox and gc were supposed to be more powerful the fact was ps2 was more capable than all the consoles before it like ps2 competitor was the dreamcast sony played the spec game for the last 2 gens with sega now this gen and the next will be microsoft you all do realized xenos is based off cell microsoft basically used all sony's r&d for xbox 360 they simply went to IBM and payed them to make the cpu comparable to cell
No system needs to be the strongest to be great. Look at the PS2, the DS, the Wii U and so on.
what does the wii u have to do with anything? its not even 6 months old yet for you to call it great..
@Poprocks He prolly commented because you mention WiiU in the same sentence with arguably the two best systems ever made.
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Because it's too early to add the Wii U into a list with the likes of the DS and PS2. It's fine if you enjoy it, but a handful of months on the market isn't enough to say it's in the same category as the other two you mention. That you jump SO QUICKLY to assume somebody attacking the Wii U is telling of YOUR attitude needing adjusting. Calm your ass down and, as you suggested he do, read context. Your comment implies a level of greatness proven by a massive library of great games and many exceptional years on the market. Your comment implies the Wii U has reached legendary status since its release. The Dreamcast isn't applicable because, despite the good times many people had with it(and I'm one of them), it didn't have the longevity and stream of games to make it legendary. Had the Dreamcast managed the entire gen with that same level of quality in its library, then talking about it might have made some sense. As it stands, your second comment here is just an irrational rant.
So the simple fact that I like the Wii U hardware, that it works properly and that I enjoy what games I've gotten for it means nothing? I think I'm well within my right to make that comparison considering I like all three of those platforms. It's not my fault that DivineAssault is another in a long line of N4G users who incessantly complains about the Wii U in nearly every article posted about and therefor is bitter when I express praise for it. Secondly, my comment merely suggested that you don't need strong hardware for quality software. It's YOU taking it out of context, not me. Finally, the Dreamcast is and will continued to be revered as a quality system with a short lifespan. Many people attribute that to a poor library section, being one-upped by the PS2's DVD support and rampant piracy. Does that stop it from being quality hardware? No, it doesn't. I can't believe I'm being lectured by another single bubble troll. This community can be so utterly ridiculous. Good day to you.
Translation: "We're making the PS4 only slightly more powerful than the PS3." It's the smart thing to do. Make a profit on the hardware right out of the gate. Easy for developers to work with. Cheap to produce and sell.
That site isn't quoting Sony so why state it that way? Here's what Sony has to say - “The right time to talk about new advances in hardware is when you can demonstrate a significant leap on the current experience, and something that is going to be attractive," http://www.psu.com/a015824/...
Sony basically said a while bk that ps4 wont be alot more powerful than ps3 that's straight from the horses mouth END OF,they might just match WiiU and Next gen it will be WiiU/PS4 as the HD twins hopefully they share 3rd party support as i dislike Microsoft they basically new nothing about Consoles or Game development and just got the wallet out robbing exclusives left right and centre and disrupted the Game industry in my eyes so Sony/Nintendo for the win.
end of what ??!1 that's from the horses mouth: “The right time to talk about new advances in hardware is when you can demonstrate a significant leap on the current experience, and something that is going to be attractive," http://www.psu.com/a015824/...
This reminds me of you! http://www.youtube.com/watc...
[email protected] "disrupted the game industry". You silly, silly person.
haha...who are sony kidding..if ps4 is only slightly more powerful then wiiu their fanboys will commit suicide because they;ll have nothing more to say and wiiu will win this next generation hands down....3 million and counting
Yet PS3 is more powerful then the WIi U, so you fail right their. Anyways, Sony is going to most likely make a pretty powerful system. Just this time it seems with out the Cell put into it (which makes me sad, but it will cut the cost) and make it easy for developers to make games for it. Oh yeah Wiiulee, wanted to point this out. The new Xbox and PS4 are most likely going to support 4K HD, which pretty much means they are going to be more powerful then the Wii U. I bet PS4 is going to be $399 or at least $499, yeah not everyone can buy it right away, but thats the point of saving your money up.
Go tell that to the devs of Alien's: Colonial Mars, Skylanders Giants, and Trine 2: Directors Cut. http://kotaku.com/5913484/t... http://mynintendonews.com/2... http://www.forbes.com/sites...
Don't be so stupid. Wiiu is about twice as powerfull as ps3 and 360 , we've just not seen it yet. It can cache way more than the 360 an ps3 could. You have to consider the pipelines , Edram , RAM , GPGPU , DSP , etc. Overall the wiiu will be clearly more powerfull than ps3 and 360 and it has 25/50GB layer discs like the ps3. Clock speed means NOTHING if the pipelines are more efficient. The ps3 is a RAM bottleneck.
Your an ignorant fanboy if you actually still believe the PS3 is more powerful than the Wii U. We all know the CPU is slightly weaker in the Wii U, but when the system also has double the ram for games and a GPU that is considerably more powerful (most likely by about 2.5x) and is designed to help out the CPU common sense should paint a different picture. I also just want to say the 360 is the best console for 3rd party support 90% of 3rd party games look superior on the 360 and that's a fact. The 360 gets absolutely no love on this site ever, also I would sooner play Forza over GT any day and I have raced cars on a professional level in the real world. Bring on the downvotes fanboys...
"Go tell that to the devs of Alien's: Colonial Mars, Skylanders Giants, and Trine 2: Directors Cut." LOL this is hilarious. So you mean to tell me all those games are better looking and more graphic heavy than Far Cry 3, Crysis 3 or GTA V? All these games aren't even being considered for the wii u as of now for reasons unknown by the way. "We all know the CPU is slightly weaker in the Wii U, but when the system also has double the ram for games and a GPU that is considerably more powerful (most likely by about 2.5x) and is designed to help out the CPU common sense should paint a different picture." ...darn kids. If that were true then where is the port for Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3? They run on a high end PC with a minimum of 2GB of ram for 1080p at 60fps. The PS3 is running it on 512mbs of split ram. There is NO excuse for there not to be a port of either game but there are no ports scheduled. That speaks volumes of the importance of the hardware to devs right now. The wiiu is looking everyday like the gamecube part deux.
Your right the rumour not so long ago said the ps4 would have 1gig of ram basically the devkit would have 2gig wiiu has 4gig in devkit so i'm thinking about equal maybe less powerful than WiiU.
Actually the RAM of Wii U is slow but not only the RAM and CPU is also very much slow
He even named himself Wii U Lee LMSAO Nintendo Fanboy
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Umm... shouldn't you say "if X720 is only slightly more powerful then wiiu their fanboys will commit suicide"? It was them (and the media) who started with the "x360 iz moar powahfull than PS3 just look at FEAR for examplez". Oh that's right! You weren't here back then (2006) so you wouldn't know that would you? When we now know all this it makes your comment kind of embarrassing. Or should I say it SHOULD make your comment embarrassing but the fact is that about 99% of users in here today don't know s*it about what happened in here in 2005-2009 so...... Carry on. PS4 is teh doomz along with Vita. Down with Sony! Zalez! I know; it's better this way right? Now let the disagrees flow.
Wait... How old are you?
The disagrees will come because your statement is wrong. The fans on both sides where making flawed claims and accusations. You can't just always point out that the 360 camp was the only one making this up. It is completely false. "x360 iz moar powahfull than PS3 just look at FEAR for examplez" And no one was saying the PS3 is the most powerful because of "TEH CELL", right? "You weren't here back then (2006) so you wouldn't know that would you?" It's 2013 Insomnium, I think it is about time you let the past go and start living in the future.