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Submitted by DeeZee 568d ago | opinion piece

Sony's 4K vs. Microsoft's Illumiroom: Which Will Reign Supreme Next-Generation?

GR's DeShaun Zollicoffer writes:

Sony is pushing 4K TVs and Microsoft just unveiled Illumiroom, a research project that will make game’s more immersive. Each could play a vital role in their company’s next-generation consoles, but which will reign supreme? Is this the PS3's Blu-ray vs the 360's HD DVD (add-on) all over again? (Microsoft, Sony, Tech)

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TheGamerDood  +   568d ago | Well said
Why not compare it to the same tech that Sony is currently developing?

http://youtu.be/N_cKsOe7hLI
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Root  +   568d ago
I didn't know Sony was doing something similar

<sigh>

You know whats going to happen now, even though Sony has been going through the same ideas before or at the same time as MS, if MS bring it out first then everyone will automaticaly say Sony is copying Microsoft. You know what people are like these days towards Sony.

Anyway I would choose the 4k experience if I had to choose but it will be a while before we all have 4k tvs in our living room since the tec is a while off.

It's like the blu ray player situation all over again, remember back in 2006 all you got was "Blu ray isn't going to take off" or "Blu ray is dead on arrival, it's going to die sooner or later". Sony seem to think too far a head entertainment wise that when it's shown off were like "That's awesome but I don't see how we're ALL going to experience that"
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Halochampian  +   568d ago
Yet one requires you to have people dressed up in spandex in your room and have your entire room be a screen.
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Soldierone  +   568d ago
@Halochampian, Sony actually demonstrated a game like MS did this year, at last years CES too. It was part of their PlayStation presentation. The camera scanned the room then "changed" everything, but he was still just playing a game.
NeverEnding1989  +   568d ago
"You know what people are like these days towards Sony"

Uhh. Getting upset because mother-SONY is being wronged again?

You may be right with your idea though. Microsoft will take existent technology, innovate it and make it there own, and successfully market it and people WILL think that it is solely Microsoft technology.

Meanwhile, SONY will let there technology die and when you look to prove SONY did it first, people will have no idea what SONY's version is because they've never heard of it. Just like with the Eyetoy...or whatever you call that thing.

You'd think SONY would learn...
pixelsword  +   568d ago
If you haven't noticed, Microsoft was founded on capitalizing on other people's ideas.

Windows coming from IBM, for example.

I'm not bashing MS, but here's the lesson, Sony:

If you have an idea, go with it and dedicate yourself to it; don't wait until someone takes your idea and have you look like the one catching up.
Athonline  +   568d ago
4K is way better in the long run. Small monitors, laptops, etc can take advantage of it. Illumiroom sounds cool, but you need:
-A projector.
-Kinect, which means a mandatory usage of MS technology.
-Space to set it up and walls to display on.

While with 4K all you need is a monitor and a source with the supporting resolution. Because we are talking about resolution increase, companies like Samsung, LG, etc do not really have to licence anything, expect if they want to roll out 4K Blu-Ray players. ;-)

Already Samsung and other companies rolled out 4K TVs. Even Apple with Macbook Pro Retina, showed that near 4K resolution in a laptop is possible.

Full HD 1080P was in development since late 80s. I went through my dad's archive -he used to be a tech journalist from 88 to 94- some years ago and he had documented the technology, for NDA he couldn't publish much details. Why they took so much to kick off? They needed to be affordable first. Same with 4k, it is in development for a longer time than unveiled, it is expensive at the moment, but give it 4-5 years. Even 1080P was expensive 5-6 years ago.

In my University's research lab for image processing, they mainly research on higher than 4K 3D TVs at the moment. Unfortunately I am a software developer and not allowed to use them...-.-'
Lavagasm  +   568d ago
I like how NeverEnding said the same exact thing as pixelsword and he got 20 disagrees to pixelsword's zero.
blackbeld  +   568d ago
So Sony will take Microsoft to the court?

Same like Apple vs Samsung for years?

Hope not gonna happen.

Personal I will go for the 4K.

And for Illumiroom your living room should be dark to experience it fully.
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Athonline  +   568d ago
@Pixelsword

Agree with you about MS. Just a small correction:
Windows don't come from IBM. Bill Gates in 1981 sold to IBM with an initial fee and licence fees per unit (a unique agreement for that time) for an OS they didn't have! After the meeting and getting the initial money, MS bought QDOS from a local programmer, edited it in IBM 's specifications and launched MS-DOS 1.0 in August 81... Now the idea for a GUI (Graphical User Interface) built on-top of MS-DOS came after Bill Gates visited Apple, where he saw both the Macintosh and Lisa projects with GUIs.
Windows 1.0 were born a few years later based on Apple's GUI, after Bill gained access to a pre-released version as he wanted to "develop software" for it.
PS: Apple stole the GUI idea from XEROX Alto and Star computers, which came from PARC, which stole the idea from NSL, etc...

Yes the computing and in extension the technology industry is built on "stolen" products. Just some companies invest more in R&D to develop/ improve a concept, like 4K which is an improvement on HD and some others invest in R&D to steal/ edit a product for re-lunch. And there are sooo many R&D original ideas that never see the light....
XB1_PS4  +   568d ago
I think it's funny that @NeverEnding1989 and @pixelsword's comment are almost the same thing.

One highlighted that Sony would be letting technology die. Yet Microsoft would make it better.

The other says that Sony should make better use of technology instead of letting it die.. And Microsoft just steals everything.

The first one isn't accepted by N4g. The second is. Sony's side runs this site.

If I ended this in "I love Sony" i would get agrees, but if I ended in "I love Microsoft" I would get way less.

-Posted from my sweet, sweet Vita.
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ElectricKaibutsu  +   568d ago
@Athonline
I don't know why people disagree with you. It's like no one ever watched Pirates of Silicon Valley :).

@sofresh412
Posted from your Vita, eh? Well then I have to agree with you.

4k TVs are definitely the future. Display resolutions will just keep getting higher and higher until people forget about such things as pixels. Still, 1080p TVs look great. If you're sitting on a couch 15 feet away from a TV I doubt you could tell the difference between a 4k TV and a 1080p TV unless they were sitting side by side. And even if it is a noticeable improvement, is anyone still wow'd by their TVs they've had for years? After I got an HD TV I got used to it in a week. It's like when you get a new computer or smartphone, you think "Wow! It's so pretty and fast!" Then a week later you just think "Load the stupid webpage you piece of crap. Why is this taking more than 2 seconds?"

When it comes to gaming, the next consoles unfortunately won't be able to take advantage of 4k. So from a gamer's only perspective Microsoft's tech is more useful because, well, you can actually use it. That technology exists right now and it's just the software they need to work on. Yeah, it's totally gimmicky, and would suck or be pointless for a lot of games, but I think for something like survival horror it could be great. Imagine shadows out of the corner of your eye? Or imagine an FPS where instead of thinking "Gah! Who's shooting me??" You think "Gah! That guy by my piano is shooting me."
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   568d ago
@Lavagasm

The difference between NeverEnding1989's comment and pixelsword's comment is this:

***"Uhh. Getting upset because mother-SONY is being wronged again?"***

Totally unnecessary. Also, NeverEnding1989's trolling past could have play a part as well.
knowyourstuff  +   568d ago
The Microsoft idea of displaying a picture outside of your tv will only work in a small number of rooms - those with a wall mounted tv and plenty of space on either side. If you have yours in a cabinet, or in a place that is well out from the wall on a stand, or the room isn't exactly square to your tv, this may not exactly work as well as when a tv is wall mounted, so I doubt this will catch on.
Also, 4K tv's will be like computer screens, with really high end resolutions you can have perfect looking anti aliasing, no pixellation that you can see with your eye, just like cameras and high end video equipment.
Syntax-Error  +   568d ago
Pixelsword do your hmwk
MS didnt steal windows from IBM, they used IBM's money to buy it from a local programmer for $40K. It wasn't windows it was DOS. Second, Sony didn't create the WALKMAN. So don't think for a second that Sony creates all these new ideas.
Vames  +   568d ago
Doesn't matter who came up with the idea first, it all comes down to who got the balls to bring it to market.

Sony was testing motion long before Nintendo, but the company lacked balls and foresight and Nintendo came and stole its thunder.

Thing is, if Microsoft comes to market first with its IllumiRoom and it becomes a success, Sony is to blame and fanboys have no right to jump and moan about who copied who because no one really knows how long some companies have been working on stuff in the labs.
Lvl_up_gamer  +   568d ago
How do you know how long MS have been working on this tech?

Just because you see Sony working on the same principles doesn't mean they started it first.
lfclee  +   568d ago
Your wrong 4k is already out you mean 8k will be out in a few years time making 3d obsolete !
badz149  +   568d ago
4k is not just Sony
all tv makers out there are going 4k and it's gonna be the industry standards sooner than we think! so...this was never MS vs Sony to begin with. flamebait much?
TAURUS-555  +   568d ago
4K ¡¡¡

its obvious 4K is gonna reign over the next decade just like the bluray won over the crappy HDDVD.

illuminroom ?..who needs that ?
Gamer1982  +   568d ago
4K will fail unlike blu-ray as only gaming will use it. Movies wont be in 4k for at least 6 years neither will TV be broadcast in 4k for about as long. So nobody will get 4K tvs meaning it will be pointless on PS3 or 720.
Athonline  +   567d ago
@ElectricKaibutsu

Just some people are closed minded, fanboys, who want to defend "their" brands... People fail to understand: Corporation invest R&D in order to launch new products, improve existing ones and get the attention of the media. All they want at the end is profit, not to innovate! The only people who wanted to innovate at the first place are either idle/part-time developers and academic stuff who does the initial research.

Pirates of the Silicon Valley was a great movie! Really underrated. Even if you didn't watch it, still the things I said are commonly mention in technology articles, IT history articles/ books and even wikipedia!

And if you ever did a Computing or Engineering degree at Uni, you will know how R&Ds work...

And because I mention MS, Apple, Sony in my posts: I am posting using my Macbook Pro which I use for software development and photo editing, but I also got a Windows tower and two virtual machines (one linux -for C/C++ programming, one Windows for gaming) on my Macbook. Moreover I own both a PS3 and a 360. No I do not favour any platform, I use multiple platforms for different things.

Back to topic:
I agree with you. 4K is the future for entertainment.

Illumiroom is great for survival horror games, but it will be extremely MS platform depending, thus developers -both audio/visual equipment and games- will more likely ignore it.
deafdani  +   567d ago
You know, in the end it doesn't matter who came up with an idea first. What matters to the public perception is who POPULARISED it and made it mainstream, who had the balls to go full force with an idea instead of just experimenting with it.

This is why Nintendo is given credit for the popularity of motion controls, despite Sony having experimented with it years before the Wii - and for that matter, Sega did it much, much earlier with the Activator, not to mention Nintendo's own Power Glove... but none of them matter, because it was with the Wii Remote that motion controls became succesful and mainstream.

This is why Nintendo is given credit for analog sticks, because they made it standard with the N64... but there were other companies that tried it first.

This is why Nintendo is given credit for wireless controllers, because their Wavebird was the best and most reliable of them all at the moment in the market, making it incredibly popular... despite other companies having their own wireless controllers first...

This is why Microsoft gets all the credit for the popularisation and standardisation of online gaming on consoles... despite Sega trying it much before with the Dreamcast, and heck, even Nintendo and Sega had (very primitive) online implementations with the SNES and Genesis. Not to mention PC gaming, which had online play several years before Microsoft came along with the original Xbox. But Microsoft's LIVE service was the first online service that made online play an INTEGRAL part of the console.

And this is why SONY gets massive credit for the popularisation of the blu-ray technology, because they took a MASSIVE risk making it the main format for the PS3, making it incredibly expensive to make, and they lost a lot of money per console sold for years... but in the end, it's in a BIG part thanks to them, and the PS3, that blu ray is so popular now. And if another game console uses blu ray technology, people will ALWAYS remember that Sony were the ones that made it matter.
sikbeta  +   567d ago
Illumiroom works like a projector? asking because I missed it :(

So, Illumiroom VS head mounted display?
ThanatosDMC  +   567d ago
@Lavagasm

But we like Pixelsword more.
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papashango  +   567d ago
Thing about 4k is It's not a Sony tech. this is
a resolution that's been a long time coming in the tech world pc monitors have long since surpassed 1080p for years and with eyefinity resolutions 4k can be surpassed
GalacticEmpire  +   568d ago
It really looks like MS have shamelessly ripped this off, however they'll market it as something completely new that they invented and make BILLIONS $$$$$ Mwa hahahaaaaa!
Cueil  +   568d ago
No... it's not even remotely the same... the concept is the same, but it's about execution and Sony totally ripped off Star Trek right... I understand that people have loyalties tied up in thousands of dollars worth of hardware and software, but lets all agree that the end result is the holodeck and that we all expect to be alive when it happens.
RememberThe357  +   568d ago
As long as it gives Ballmer enought money to bring the Sonics back, I don't care what they steal.
Reibooi  +   568d ago
Personally for me I care more about 4k. While granted it's a bit early to be talking about it being widely used(I honestly doubt the next gen will use it and would very surprised if it does) it seems so much more impressive to me.

Sure there is a certain novelty to something like this Illumiroom and the Sony made version that they have been working on but at the end of the day it still feels like a gimmick. It's like how 3D is. Yeah it's cool and all but it really doesn't add anything. Whereas 4K can genuinely allow for more detail, realism and immersion to a certain extent.
darkride66  +   568d ago
It's a ways off to be talking about affordable 4k yet, but it makes sense given the time frame we're talking here. If the PS4 launches in 2014 and is anticipated to last 10 years, who knows what TV's will be available in 2020. Might as well build support in.

The illumiroom idea I think is a cool feature, but not extremely practical. I use a 1080p projector in my man-cave for gaming and it's fantastic! If you have a projector why would you use it for effects around a TV? Kinda defeats the purpose of having a projector setup.

At the moment I'm not really interested in either of these. I'm waiting for the 3d projectors to drop down in price and improve in quality.
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TheGamerDood  +   568d ago
The problem with 4K at the moment is the lack of content and it's going to take years for content providers to catch up to the new tech. DirecTV currently streams in 1080i not even 1080p. pfft! :/
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Tr10wn  +   568d ago
There is no way the next gen of console will use 4K TV no one will pay $20,000 for a TV and that's the cheapest one from Samsung the Sony one will cost $25,000 and thats leaving the fact that a single movie in 4K is around 160GB so you will need what for a game? 8 blu rays disc?

@darkride66
"The illumiroom idea I think is a cool feature, but not extremely practical. I use a 1080p projector"

They are making this around a TV not a projector, i know what you mean but MS think big and honestly not many people use projectors now day they are focused more on the main stream.
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Seraphemz  +   568d ago
@thegamerdood - I get 1080p on my direct tv...dont know what you have though.
TheGamerDood  +   568d ago
I was right damn it! You people owe me an apology! :P

"There are no 1080p broadcast channels, as Jimmie says the only 1080p is some PPV movies. All other HD is either 720p or 1080i. If you have a 1080p TV, all signals are converted to 1080p for display.

And as Jimmie mentions the format for the 1080p PPV is 1080p/24. Your TV might not be compatible with that format. If not, then just use 1080i. The picture quality will be the same."

http://forums.directv.com/p...

@Bigpappy

That sh*t won't be at E3. lol It could take years for Sony since they're trying to do that full immersion sh*t. MS on the other hand might debut it this year but again look at the quality of the tech it looks mad sketchy and no where near the level of detail that Sony has.
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Seraphemz  +   568d ago
Gamerdood - as I stated in the PM

1.) Direct TV doesnt control what TV stations broadcast in...so its not their fault.

2.) Your comment stated "DirecTV currently streams in 1080i not even 1080p. pfft! :/ " STREAMS...and they DO STREAM in 1080p.

And as I showed you, they do STREAM in 1080p. PPV and VOD full 1080p...

Too bad you ran out of bubbles...
anti-gamer  +   568d ago
it an old tec I remember when some companies talk abut it since 2010 such as sony and lg it was called 3D Mapping and it was plant to use it at cinema.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Cirran  +   568d ago
Can't wait to have friends over dressed up with the invisible men suit things whilst helping me play my immersive games.

"GODAMMIT CHARLIE YOU NEED TO BE OVER THERE FOR THIS PART, NOW IT JUST LOOKS LIKE SULLY(Uncharted 5) IS DOING NAUGHTY THINGS TO ME!"
Bigpappy  +   568d ago
They don't look like the same thing to me. But we shall see what they have by E3.
Abdou23  +   568d ago
Neither, simple answer.
fei-hung  +   568d ago
headline is bullcrap anyway.

Sony tech is ready and out there. Almost evey cinema I go to uses Sony 4k Digital projection on a screen or another.

4K TV's will very soon be on shop shelves if they aren't already.

MS's tech is in very early development stage and as the article tells us, they are doing research into still.Considering most people are banking for MS and Sony to release their next gen consoles this year, do we really think MS will take this project from research and early prototype stage into full release and produtcion.
Tr10wn  +   568d ago
$20,000 is the cheapest go get them boy! oh and btw i dont know if you know but those 4K cinemas use upscaling resolution and they are no way near the real deal that is 4K, a single movie in 4K is 160gb, 4K isnt ready for market and there is still alot to be done before its marketable just think about it a movie is around the 160gb, now what about a game? 340gb for a Triple A game? count those blu rays or get ready to spent another $1000 on HDD only.

The tech is ready and in the future will be a reality but there is no use to it right now because is too expensive.
fei-hung  +   568d ago
@Tr10wn

I was going to write a lengthy reponse to break things down word for word, but since you completely missed the point, which was very simple, I won't bother.
UnholyLight  +   568d ago
I hate how everyone is jumping on the bandwagon of "Will 4k fail?". People claim dead on arrival but come on do we really know for sure? Just like Plasma/LCD/LED/OLED etc as our knowledge continues to grow 4k WILL be a reality and will become more affordable just like the stuff I mentioned above did. People are just broken records it seems and love to say that something will not work, when in reality, it will eventually begin to take over what we consider normal in the living room at this time.
ArmrdChaos  +   568d ago
...and Sony was developing the big bang years before it actually happened. /s

These pissing contests are a riot...in a pathetic kinda way.
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Beastforlifenoob  +   568d ago
Journalist like comparing everything they see with each other, even if the comparison is utterly stupid and should not have been done :l
Lol sony wins! wow!! Epic!
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I knew what MS was doing is cool but what sony did I din't know was possible..

I hope ps4 uses it to a certain degree. Sony will have more games to try it on..

@Halochampian
"Yet one requires you to have people dressed up in spandex in your room and have your entire room be a screen."

Yet you think because sony did more they can't do less like MS?
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RuperttheBear  +   568d ago
Yeah those vids are so cool. I love the way he wears a box on his head. And half a melon. And the way people in spandex are moving things around for him, although the price of those spandex people must be a bit costly. I'm not sure how many spandex people I'll need in my room, probably quite a few.

You're right, that's the future right there. Spandex People Technology™.
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nukeitall  +   568d ago
The thing is, with MS showing they did it with a low cost Kinect and a project (those LED projects can be had cheaply these days).

However, Sony's implementation seems cool, but doesn't seem intended for production use i.e. costly setup. Looks cool, but likely not practical.

It's like when Kinect was released it was (and probably still is) the only motion capture system in it's price range. Sure there are many much better, but there price tag is astronomical in comparison.

These large companies like MS and Sony (less Nintendo) has the money to do all these things, but it is all about management being able to plan, execute and make a product people are willing to buy. That is key!
fatstarr  +   568d ago
Main stream isn't ready for 4k
The data streaming itself would kill 90% of all households
Some computers can't even keep up with such quality
Watch some real 4k videos on YouTube and see the strain and lag

We aren't ready for it technology wise
Ex crysis meets the 8800gtx at max settings
bunfighterii  +   568d ago
Sony already announced a 4K content service, and 4K bluray releases for later this year at CES. 4K is simply what HD was 10 years ago and what Full HD was 5-6 years ago. They were big, expensive and everyone was saying 'Why do I need HD and Bluray/HD DVD when I've got DVD'.

My parents only recently replaced the first HD Plasma TV they bought in 2004. It's a Pioneer, and at the time it cost around $15,000. It still gets used at their beach house now.

Sony etc are already talking about sub-$10,000 4K sets. Mark my words, it'll catch on before you know it and in 2 years 4K sets will be under $5,000 snd there'll be much more content floating around.

This 4K push only strengthens recent rumours that PS4 will support 4K too IMO. My guess though is for movies, not games. Sony said themselves at CES there are BluRay discs that can accommodate 4k content. PS4 will probably have some kind of updated BluRay drive that supports newer, higher capacity 4k discs.
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nukeitall  +   567d ago
I don't think 4K will really catch on any time soon, and when it does your console won't be able to output anything near that quality. PCs? sure!

4K is way into the future, especially when HD is just going mainstream. Let me repeat that, *JUST*.

Who knows, it might even be the DVD vs BR again. Meaning the jump in quality wasn't enough for people to rush out and upgrade, so instead the technology just simply fell in price until the difference was negligible and it became the standard.
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Beastforlifenoob  +   566d ago
What Sub-10k 4K sets well thats cheap I'm going to buy one tommoworw
/s
DiRtY  +   568d ago
If I buy this for let's say $300, will I get 4 of santa's little helpers for the rest of my (or their) live?

OT:

4k is a resolution everybody does.
MS concept uses Kinect, which is MS only.
metroid32  +   568d ago
4k is going to be for video playbk on Netflix,LoveFilm,Blu-rays,ect Netflix are supporting Super HD as we speak on WiiU and Windows8 it's not games no matter what anyone says there arn't gpu's out there that could support 4k resolution at an acceptable frame rate END OF,a console upgrade in a future WiiU/PS4/720 would make sense.

And for projecting the game world in your room that is daft in my eyes it's just too chaotic and it's all visual instead of immersion.

WiiU/PS4 ect will support Full 1080p Natively on all games in the future so will 720 ect but in say 5 years or more there should be an upgrade so you can also run games in 4k if required ie same games but at 4k not another generation of consoles as i think they will stretch this one out for at least 10 years or more so they can max them out.
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kriauciuniux  +   567d ago
Nice video dood, imagine being there blazed as fua8k.
TAURUS-555  +   567d ago
illumiroom is childish, as simple as that.
iamnsuperman  +   568d ago
The illumiroom is a massive gimmick that doesn't look like it adds anything. It is like projecting on anywall with stuff on the wall it looks out of place and cheap. There is a reason why projections need a white screen/background to project on.

The marketing video for it isn't even that good (considering the marketing video for the then called project natal which promised a lot and show new flashy things)

This doesn't mean I think 4K is the better option and I personally see it a waste of resources especially when TV services can't support it because they can't broadcast it (technology is way off) so why is a consumer going to buy it if they can't watch normal 4K tv.

Answer both are not
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Kingofwiiu  +   568d ago
It's not gunna be Native 4K video games. To render their games in 4K they will have to sacrifice a ridiculous amount of fidelity. So the 4K will just be some useless , Poser , Bluray upscaling or some shite....

I hope microsoft goes ahead with their Illuminati room and watch the wiiu dominate.

All the kids will be throwing Kinnect grenades and at the kitchen wall in the next CoD , sigh....
Muerte2494  +   568d ago
most pc...
games run at 2160 x 1600 with last years gpus. Tegra 4 is running 4k (video resolution) and also can run Unreal Engine 4 (nvidia shield tech demo Ces 2013). Just saying.
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TheRealHeisenberg  +   568d ago
I'll pass on both.
militant07  +   568d ago
It's not like Sony own 4k or anything... stupid article, its being developed by Samsung/LG/tosh..etc
TheRealHeisenberg  +   567d ago
I figured that. I should have elaborated but I'm not a man of many words.

I'll pass on 4k because it looks like I simply can't afford the tech. I'll pass on Illumiroom simply because it seems gimmicky to me.
Belking  +   568d ago
Holodeck stuff isn't new. It's been around for years. I know for a fact that the US military has been using for years for in their training simulators.
Cueil  +   568d ago
it's not like the idea hasn't been floating around out there for years
Kingofwiiu  +   568d ago
Illumirom VS irrelivant and expensive 4K video output - Winner = Nintendo Wiiu

Unless the games are Native 4K , then Suported 4K resoloution is just Sony's desire to bleed money out of their assless ass and aim at a market that simply doesn't exist...
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Enemy  +   568d ago
I'm sorry man, you have no games or specs.
d0nT wOrrY  +   568d ago
LOL. Nailed him.
Yangus  +   568d ago
Supreme Next-Generation:Better exklusive.
dirthurts  +   568d ago
Who said it's SONY's 4k?
Sony doesn't own 4k...just about every company has a set coming out. Anyway...
Neither will make it to next gen, but they're both pretty neat.
If the technology was there, sure that would be cool. But what video card would render 4k images without being a slide show?(maybe 4 video cards?)
Adding a projector seems too cost prohibitive, even if it was a low resolution one.
Oschino1907  +   568d ago
Well they are supporting it more then any other company by far. Don't know of many other 4k TV makers in the process of setting up streaming services for 4k, game/entertainment systems for 4k and pushing their own (extremely huge) entertainment division to start recording films/shows in 4k.
dirthurts  +   568d ago
If you've been following CES, pretty much everyone is working towards it.
Even Netflix has streaming for it (although it looks terrible so far).
I wouldn't even bat an eye at 4k for another 4 or 5 years. We're still trying to catch up to to 1080p.
Oschino1907  +   568d ago
Obviously you didn't understand my comment and seemingly replied to your own thoughts. But I will respond to your other post as well as restate the point I was attemtping to make.

"If you've been following CES, pretty much everyone is working towards it." - Well yes I have and I agree

"Even Netflix has streaming for it (although it looks terrible so far)." - That's cool but too bad they don't make tvs or 99% of their content.

"I wouldn't even bat an eye at 4k for another 4 or 5 years. We're still trying to catch up to to 1080p" - I am not upgrading myself till I see OLEDs down below 5 thousand and hopefully by then 4k will be standard on higher end OLEDs. Don't know who "We're" is but I been runnin 1080p since 2008 (1080i since 2004/2005) and I am not rich at all, just a tv junky. Have a 55" Sony XBR HX929 3d Full Array LED and a 46"Sony HX800 3d Edge Lit LED tv currently with another older 61"Mitsubishi 1080p Projection tv.
Every year more and more content is 1080p, its there for almost anyone looking for it or who wants to take advantage of that. 1080p will soon be the standard definition to todays HD. 4k will be the new must for movies and anyone with a giant screen from 55-60inches to jumbotrons at sporting events.

Point being my original reply, someone needs to be the ones going above and beyond to get this all started for the mainstream making it more and more commonplace. While many others are helping to usher it in only one is going so above and beyond.
Who else but Sony is not only producing the TVs/Movie projectors but also setting up to stream in the future through their own networks, producing their own hardware in many facets to play the content and also owns a huge media/entertainment empire who they are pushing to produce 4k content.

Sony is helping everyone who is pushing 4k in the long run, they are just trying to stay ahead of the curve and thinking towards the future.
dirthurts  +   568d ago
I'm just going to leave these here...
http://www.engadget.com/
http://blog.gizmodo.com/
Look for yourself and you'll see the many, many companies all pushing the 4k stuff.
Sony is getting very little attention overall.
It's more LG, Samsung, and Panasonic who are getting all the excitement.
I can see you're all about Sony, and that's cool. But I'm all about tech. I don't back a particular brand. I don't care who's pushing it, if it's good it has my attention.
The_Infected  +   568d ago
I like Microsofts illumiroom better because 4K is not practical yet and far to expensive to get a 4K TV. Idk how much Microsoft would charge for their concept but it looks pretty awesome regardless if some call it a gimmic or not. You will still focus on the TV and see the projection with your peripheral vision which shouldn't take anyway from the experience but instead add to it.
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kneon  +   568d ago
But what good is illumiroom? Because of the limitation of projecting into a typical room full of stuff that will obscure the image it's only good for useless special effects. I guess it would be good as a virtual disco ball in a dance game, but I don't see the point for most other games.

I'm sure it could also be used in many kids games, projecting wavy blue lines when playing something under water for example, but I just don't see any value for any hard core game.
Seraphemz  +   568d ago
wait... you like illumiroom because 4k isnt practical? Yet illumiroon is a prototype that we have no idea what it will cost or how it will work...??

As I was told once by someone in compton..." that dont make no sense"
The_Infected  +   568d ago
Who the hell can afford a 4K TV? $17k? I'm sure illumiroom would be 95% cheaper. I'm just saying for price and what it is I think I'd like illumiroom better and just stick with 1080p and a smooth 60fps.
Seraphemz  +   568d ago
Marcus - No price has been announced. And they did state the the new sets would be affordable

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/20...

If its around 5k... i can afford it.

You dont even have an clue whether illumiroon will ever come out!!! Im just saying, and responding to your "practical" statement.
kneon  +   568d ago
@Marcus_Fenix

The smaller ones are supposed to be in the 5k range this year, plenty of people can afford that, and next year it will only get cheaper.
majiebeast  +   568d ago
Sony can do both.
360ICE  +   568d ago
Cheap and strange comparison. Less of this, please.
doctorstrange  +   568d ago
Neither.
ElementX  +   568d ago
I don't need 4k and I don't want Illumiroom. 4k resolution is excessive on a regular living room sized TV.
firelogic  +   568d ago
It's more samsung than microsoft.
KMCROC54  +   568d ago
The Room tech is all out of Redmond, Samsung has nothing to do with it .check your fact's.
Dlacy13g  +   568d ago
Technically they both can win
Jag-T1000  +   568d ago
Everybody's tv is 1080, so 4k is out of the question.Try again Sony!
MoonWheel  +   568d ago
And before everyone had an hd tv everyone had an SD tv. If Sony can market the 4k tvs well then in 5 years I bet a huge portion of tv owners will have a 4k tv.
a_adji  +   568d ago
It's a projector that lights up your room. I think the TV has this but it wont be sony it will be Samsung and LG
The_Infected  +   568d ago
Microsft had a concept drawing I believe of the projector and it was a globe looking thing. So I don't think the TV has it.
Dlacy13g  +   568d ago
@a_adji ummm...no I don't think you actually watched the video about Illumiroom.
a_adji  +   568d ago
The human retina can only process so much so 4k is pointless.
grassyknoll  +   568d ago
Personally more excited by OLED. Looks quite impressive though.
ziggurcat  +   568d ago
hey guys, let's compare an orange vs a toaster and see who wins because they're both the exact same thing. /sarcasm
Dlacy13g  +   568d ago
^ ^ someone gets it
chukamachine  +   568d ago
If anyone wants the ms shite, rofl. awful.

4K isn't needed right now, unless it's cheap enough and has a system that can take advantage of it.

PC obviously can do 4k, so for some people that'll be sweet.
Games4M - Rob  +   568d ago
4k is an evolution of existing technology - it will become the norm just like HD television has become the norm.

Illumiroom is a gimmick and it will gather dust in the cupboard along with Kinect, Move, Power Gloves, and all the other pointless shit that console manufacturers try and make out will be the next big thing.
blue_flowers  +   568d ago
haha who in their right mind is going to be an early adopter of a 4k television, can you say worst purchase of the decade. im just as big of a tv huger as any man, but dropping over $10k for a 4k resolution tv is just silly. and im a Microsoft fan but i'll sit and wait on this illumination room tech until i see a price tag.
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madjedi  +   568d ago
You do realize that the only reason you have as many electronics available is because early adopters with more disposable income than you bite the bullet and helped pave the way for mass market consumption.

Not everyone puts the same value on all things, i wouldn't pay more than $100 dollars for a phone but people still buy $400+ iphones and tablets.

It's only silly when there isn't any content to watch on it, 4k tvs or oled tvs, one or both is the next major step in television development.

With the pessimistic reaction everyone is having to the 4k tvs, you would think we all still use the old black and white tube tvs with the channel and tuning knobs on the side.

Instead of using htdvs with digital audio and video signals, where we go months at time without physically touching it.
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Omega Zues  +   568d ago
The hell?

This is like comparing an Apple to a Ice cube. . .

Couldnt be more random.
Theyellowflash30  +   568d ago
Neither, both technology will cost to much. People aren't even buying 3D tv's cause the cost.
MoonWheel  +   568d ago
Also 3D is more of a gimmick compared to a 4k tv.
HyperBear  +   568d ago
I'll take neither. I just bought a 3D Smart LED TV and there is nothing in 4K right now except for what Sony has on their 4K player. 4K is pretty awesome, I must say, but at this point in time, the year 2013, it is completely useless and expensive as hell. 4K will be adopted at some point in time, and will be adopted more-so than 3D has been, but more than likely by the next next-generation of gaming pc's/consoles/boxes, etc. (around 2017-2018, I think). And Illumiroom looks 10x better than any kinect BS thats been released, but just like Kinect, it's a gimmick that looks like, depending what room your playing in, it won't work.

Maybe save that question until the technology for Illumiroom gets more advanced and 4K is adopted and prices are were 3D TVs are today.
TongkatAli  +   568d ago
I will stick to my Vita, PS3, Wii U and 360 if this is the future. I just got my 360 last year F this, LOL.
Belking  +   568d ago
If priced right Illumiroom easily wins this. We know 4K TVs are gonna be way too expensive for the average customer. There also won't be any games in 4k since we don't even have them 1080p yet.I'm assuming what we are seeing right now with illumiroom could be done with Kinect 2. MS is probably gonna have an awesome E-3 showing this year.
Chard  +   568d ago
Kinda skeptical about 4K. I remember being told that 1080p was indistinguishable from 720p for screens below around 40". How big does a 4K screen need to be to look noticeably better than 1080p in a standard living room?

Then there's the fact that a lot of PS3 games don't even run at 720p. Just having native 1080p with a smooth framerate would be a noticeable improvement, so I'd like to see that before anyone bothers with ridiculous resolutions. Imagine how long FF Versus XIII would take to make in 4K!!!
ApexHell  +   568d ago
anything bigger than 60 will probably be distinguishable for 4k. I personally think anyone thinking of dropping $17-25k on a 4k tv should probably go for a 80inch or bigger but of course should probably wait for prices to dwindles down to affordable and also wait for more content to standardize to 4k. If you have a ~60 inch 1080p set now your probably still set for the next 5-8 years.
Qrphe  +   568d ago
4k will be a standard while the other technology will not.
Kaneda  +   568d ago
You have to wait with your fancy TV! because no 4K content...
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Mkai28  +   568d ago
I agree, you are practically future proofing saying, I have my 4k tv and will fully use it when legit 4k content is available. Really, people just now transition to 1080p sets. I don't think people will rush out and get 4k tvs, possibly the same price of a used car.
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Hazmat13  +   568d ago
4K tv will be best to have its more than just gaming and movies and 3D. the room thing from Microsoft is just adding extra stuff to an already great game. no need for that. so if i had the money in the long run 4K would be the best investment.
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