Japanese role-playing games on major consoles are dead

Venture Beat writes: Even if we haven’t wanted to admit it, we’ve all known for quite some time that the days of abundant Japanese console role-playing games are behind us. If you’re like me, you kinda secretly hoped a few breakout titles would swoop in and save us from this seven-year drought we’ve been living through.
I believe we will see the number of high-quality JRPGs on major consoles continue to decrease as this generation comes to a close and the next one begins. We must accept this reality if we’re to make peace with the void that’s been left since the PlayStation 2 generation ended. Developers and publishers have tried to make JRPGs work in recent years but have found the task difficult. They’ve tried and often failed to deliver deep, engaging gameplay while attempting to create audio-visual blockbusters. Some have seen significant success; however, that has often come at the expense of the traits that made us fall in love with JRPGs in the first place.

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Ranma11388d ago (Edited 1388d ago )

Squaresoft were the ones making the best JRPG's then we lost them.

My complaints are that:

# We havent got a epic FF this gen. Last epic FF was FF10

# We still havent got a Dark Cloud 3, Kingdom Hearts console game or Shadow Hearts.

IAMERROR1387d ago

I want squaresoft back!

Irishguy951387d ago

They aren't dead...just...wavering.

Ni no Kuni is coming out soon.

TheDivine1386d ago

True but we did get a game made by the creators of FF with the makers of Shadow Hearts and it played like a mix of FF10 and Shadow Hearts. Lost Odyssey was every bit as good as both those games and in fact better IMO. We didn't get a Dragon Quest on consoles but we got Blue Dragon which I liked more. Xenoblade and The Last Story were also amazing and Ni No Kuni looks like it might be something special also. Jrpgs are alive yet. Most may be on handhelds but we still get stuff like Resonance of Fate and Tales.

Square has gone shit with only the 13 series, vs Mia, and they are taking fewer chances. All they need to do is return to the X battle system and all will be well again. I'd also love another game like 12. Loved that game to death. They at least support the 3ds well. We're getting a DQ7 remake, Bravely Default, and more. I'm hoping for a Twewy sequel and a FF6 remake and I'm sure both will come. They do need to localize type-0, make KH3, release VS, and Atlus needs to bring SMT4 over ASAP and make Persona 4. Lots to love though.

I admit Lost Odyssey was the last big budget AAA jrpg though. 20 some odd hours of cutscenes and polish up the yin yang. Those days may be over outside of FF which sucks but I blame you guys who claim to love the genre but refuse to buy the games. If you all bought LO it would've made MS make more jrpgs and Sony would've followed along with the rest. Instead it sent the message people don't want Japan's shit anymore so everyone moved on. That was the turning point. One of the biggest, most expensive, beautiful, amazing jrpgs ever and it was met with a collective meh. Too old school and last gen. Ms was chasing Sonys ps2 jrpg dominance and when it didn't sell Sony and Ms chased what did sell which was Gears and Halo. Now all we have is Fps from everyone outside of Nintendo. People bash Ms for only giving a few genres but they tried to give others and people didn't want them. Nin is the last console maker who still makes 1st party jrpgs, srpgs, and the like. The last jrpg i remember from Sony was Legend of Dragoon on ps1.

GribbleGrunger1388d ago

They're not dead, they're just misrepresented by a biased Western media.

BanBrother1387d ago

I'd say both. I wish we had an abundance of jRPG's, but unfortunately we don't. A big part of that is that, as you said, they are misrepresented by not just western media, but westerners (I am a westerner btw, white).

JRPG's feel like a massive journey, at least for me. Epic stories and characters. I wish that people in the Western world bought more than just shooters, as we are a big consumer base. Same could probably said for the Japanese market with shooters though.

I suppose we are just destined to be different? At least Ni No Kuni is getting rave reviews.

SeekeroftheDawn1387d ago

I don't quite think JRPGs are as good as they used to be, but I wouldn't necessarily say they're "dying" either. I still love recent JRPGs, and will continue to support/play them until they're no longer being made. (Hopefully that'll be later than sooner.)

CLOUD19831387d ago

"..and occasionally you may throw us a Ni no Kuni or Dark Souls bone."

OK I find the last paragraph insulting to Level-5 & Studio Ghibli who create this breathtaking beautiful game & there is no doubt that is going to be a MASTERPIECE! already some reviews from imports r perfect (10/10) or near perfect (9.5/10) & the author call games like Ni No Kuni "bones" like it's inferior to the horrible FF SE made for the past 10 years now, because everything after FFX was crap so in comparison to games like FFXII/FFXIII Ni No Kuni is above & beyond in terms of over all quality, story telling, visuals, audio, depth, mechanics, characters & everything else, we must be glad & thank Level-5 & Studio Ghibli who create something so amazing for us after all those years of one garbage FF after another, time to play a quality JRPG again who remains "true" to the gr8 JRPGs of the legendary era of the 90's.

BanBrother1387d ago (Edited 1387d ago )

Agree with you over 9000%.

At first I wanted to disagree, but reading the article the guy is a complete fu**head. He wants to get his point across, then calls Blue dragon, Enchanted Arms and Eternal Sonata "shitty". Wow. I was astonished. Yet another example of little co**suckers who shame gaming journalism.

Rule number 1; if you don't like a game, never say it is "shitty", as chances are there are people who like them. He also insults Lost Odyssey, an absolutely amazing game, best 360 exclusive IMO alongside Alan Wake.

People like him don't deserve to play Ni No Kuni. Never reading from that site again, unless they can show me they can be semi-professional.

miyamoto1387d ago

jrpg was DOA on 360 in the first place anyway you spin it..its an abnormality freak of nature

jrpg is Alive and Well on the legitimate platforms by Nintendo and Sony in Japan: Final Fantasy, Pokemon, Dragon's Quest, Monster Hunter, etc.

but Microsoft killed jrpgs in the west in the tune of $100 M bitch slapping on Square Enix ass.

Killing any hope and dignity left of one of jrpg flagship's in the west.

Micro$uck stuck its nose where it should not belong thus inciting the anger of many Japanese gamers..

FF XIII could have been the great jrpg of its time if it remained PS3 exclusive.

You see game quality does not rely on unit sales but on the game's integrity.

Chrono Trigger did not sell gangbusters like FF VI but it kept Square & Enix in high value many years after the game launched.

Now that integrity and honor is gone thanks to Micro$uck.

BanBrother1387d ago

You are an Idiot. You must have never played Lost Odyssey.

Besides,Final Fantasy has sucked for ages. I only enjoyed the PS1 era games. While FFX was not shit, it was boring. Tidus was a little bitch.

Square Enix has only themselves to blame for the atrocities that are FF13. The only thing the 360 held back from the PS3 was the graphics department. Everything else is Square enix's fault.

Take off your tin-foil hat and look at the real enemy; Western Media, and western audiences, the types who only play Cod and other shooters.

madjedi1387d ago

"While FFX was not shit, it was boring. Tidus was a little bitch. "

Sounds like the exact same type of gamer, that called any jrpg character whos world has just been completely destroyed a whiney emo brat.

" western audiences(who the hell do you think is buying jrpgs outside of japan), the types who only play Cod and other shooters(Which is ironic since that is exactly what you sound like atm).

"Now that integrity and honor is gone thanks to Micro$uck" They only provided the incentive wada's greed and piss poor decisions did the rest.

That doesn't make him a idiot just a biased sony fan, and yeah sorry but jrpgs on the box are a fluke really. You want jrpgs you have 3 systems ps2, ds and ps3 although the support isn't as good versus last gen.

Except square enix(at the time squaresoft) and capcom are retards, because they have been in the western market since the nes.

Jdoki1387d ago

"but Microsoft killed jrpgs in the west in the tune of $100 M bitch slapping on Square Enix ass."

I don't agree with your statement. Didn't MS fund Mistwalker for a few exclusive games? Seems they were pretty keen to get JRPG's on the 360 - at least in the early days of the console.

In fact, the early days of the 360 showed an incredible amount of diversity across a number of genres - from Viva Pinata, Kameo, Blue Dragon etc.

In my opinion there's two things that have killed off the JRPG (or at least caused a decline)...

1. Consumer demand. If games sell, more get made... Just look at the FPS genre!

2. Many Japanese company's (such as SquareEnix, Cpacom etc) saw that the Western market was bigger, and analysed the games that were selling and decided to shift focus to 'westernise' their games.

Point 1 is just an unfortunate fact - but the good thing is that gamers are quite fickle, and so it wouldn't surprise me if we saw a swing back to JRPG's at some point.

Point 2 is a bit harder to sort out. But if the mighty SE and Capcom etc are heading in a different direction, you can guarantee there will be some small, hungry, developers looking to fill the gaps.

I think the JRPG will survive.

miyamoto1387d ago (Edited 1387d ago )

Thanks for the reply

Bottom line, Japanese RPG's are by definition and nature Japanese - and Japanese products meant for Japanese gamers made by Japanese people in the whole Japanese socio-cultural setting.

Microsoft Xbox360 is an American in Japan who wanted to be Japanese for the wrong reasons - just to make lots of money on the Japanese people.

And he got it all wrong and the Japanese saw through that.

You see Japan has a bloody history of expelling foreigners who invade and tries to change their way of life.... Japan expelled the Roman Catholics and history repeated itself with Xbox and Xbox 360.

The popularity & success of JRPG outside Japan was not intentional. It was an unexpected phenomenon. It was purely natural progression.
M$ tried to replicate this success in a very artificial manner.

Most hit JRPGs or Japanese video games are localization or repackaging or Japanization of Western ideas, concepts & stuff like Mario, Sonic, Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy.

And this localization or repackaging or Japanization of western stuff in video games is what made these games a huge hit in Japan therefore gaining popularity.

Now the western localization of a localization in Japan was also a hit in the West because western gamers were presented with a completely new repackaging of their own western stuff.

i.e. The Beatles take on American rock and roll, blues, Motown music was a phenomenon all over the world because it was a totally new re-packaging of stuff that music lovers naturally liked

Same with JRPGs PlayStation, Final Fantasy VII, Pokemon, Zelda were repackaged Japanazition of western stuff in the West that were phenomenon in the 1990's. It was repeated in the early 2000's with PS2.

Now, how can anyone think this natural occurrence of Japanese things will work with an American like M$?

I honestly believe M$ has no indepth or real understanding of how JRPGs work and the underlying nature & principles.

All it knows is its popular in Japan and in the West and they will use it as a tool for fans of the genre to buy their platform and thus make lots of money.

But the Japanese people put M$ in its place: outside.
Japanese public will not allow itself subject to American monopoly again.
The whole me too operation backfired on M$, making them loose millions of dollars in the process and a huge collateral damage - the major Japanese game developers and publishers reputation. Square Enix Capcom Namco Bandai.

M$ should have known & understood where to stick it in the first place: like Western FPS and Western RPGS where they are naturally good at and should have never done the Japanese pretending.

JRPGs on Xbox were just a failed experiment like a Frankenstein monster.

M$ thinks that money and more money is the only solution to everything and the only way to success.

Sure the West has learned many tricks from the many years of Japanese gaming history and can duplicate, copy, out produce, outspend the Japanese but can never "BE" Japanese & will fail time and time again.

I hope the Japanese game makers can reverse the horrific effects of that disaster in the West. Good thing the JRPGs for kids like Pokemon, was spared.

See this 'sales' mentality M$ brought to gamer's minds really screwed up many.

PS2 was considered the Golden Age of JRPGs yet no one cared about sales. Sales did not matter. Now a JRPG sells 100,000 and its considered dead in the west.

Now, JRPGs staying back in Japan where it really belongs is far from being defined as dead.

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