Here goes the ignorant misunderstanding, or at very least misuse, of "entitled".
I initially had Skyrim for PS3 but luckily have a good PC so switched to that in the wake of the lag and DLC issues.
I think a PS3 only owner who bought the same product, at the same price as PC and Xbox 360, i would be be (and was) majorly hacked off.
Surely you should warn people of these issues and let them know that their may be issues in the pipeline regarding DLC as the base game itself struggled.
If a publisher saying "hey *certain platform* guys, remember you bought that game from us the same as the other platforms and thought you were getting the same thing? turns out your version lags when you play too much and you won't be getting DLC..." is EVER deemed acceptable and one branch of gamers are supposed to accept that, then said publisher can GTFO and expect no further purchases from me.
There is this thing called Quality Assurance, sold as advertised and downright being fair to people who buy your product instead of taking their cash THEN telling them you have issues. And if Bethesda did means test it and NOT find these massive, game breaking for many, issues during Q&A? Then quite frankly they are providing a sub-par service and don't seserve a cent from those gamers affected.
You just abused the trust and lost the faith of 70+ million user base Bethesda.
While I agree with most of what you have said, I have also become familiar enough with Bethesda's engine to know that it will NEVER be free of flaws. Their engine relies heavily on scripts that interact and effect each other and if you do something slightly out of an order that they had planned for you can break the game, sometimes to the point of being completely unfix-able (PC versions aside -- the dev console saves you with PC).
To add insult to injury, it doesn't help that in Skyrim EVERYTHING is remembered by the game -- every item dropped, every arrow stuck in a wall, and so on. In previous games (Elder Scrolls and Fallout) if you left something in the wrong spot for too long it went up with a puff of smoke (not literally), gone, nothing, see - ya - good bye. Hell, I've had times with Fallout 3 and New Vegas that I've dropped and item right in front of me and it was gone before it hit the ground.
All this being said, no matter what you buy a Bethesda game on (PS3, XBOX, PC), take it with a grain (or a pound) of salt in that it will run perfectly without any problems (especially past 40 hours into the game). At least with PC you can correct any issues with the developer console.
Treat the person with a bit of respect. I don't care that I look like a complete asshole in saying that about a representative of a developer who may not have delivered on a product that you were anxiously waiting for. Did you purchase the expansion packs already and nothing for it? Nope. If anything you should be asking for for a fix to the original title as there are still major flaws to the PS3 version (and the Xbox 360 version has some issues too but not as game breaking as the PS3 version).
Pete Hines respectfully gave Kyle Collier multiple answers and Kyle just blows up saying that Bethesdha continuing to work on the expansion packs were bullshit. Also, I have no idea where you got the '70+ million user base' number as the last public report for sales put the game at 10 million sales as of summer 2012.
When you purchase a product and you get what was advertised for despite how it may perform, the manufactures don't owe the consumer anything if they don't see it worth their while. I'm sure you could argue that on the back of the box it says downloadable content but in legal terms that could just mean a patch.
I read through the article again to perceive how the writer curated the story and I'd say he did get good job of panning the direction back to the fact of the matter that Bethesda is working on patches & all DLC to come to the console.
Is your comment referring to the gamer or the Bethesda employee on Twitter?
Because either you are pulling a U turn based on the disagrees or I have misunderstood you that you were actually referring to the Bethesda employee, in the latter case I apologise.
I was writing in response of you calling the PS3 owner on Twitter entitled.
They should just cancel all DLC for every platform and start working on a new engine (that's actually functional) and make a new Elder Scrolls game. Skyrim was the worst Elder Scrolls game ever made (especially when it comes to the lore).
Again, speak for yourself. I received Skyrim for my PS3 Christmas 2011 and easily put in over a hundred hours of some of the best gaming I've experienced this gen. This DLC will be a day one purchase for me when it's available, without question. Why wouldn't you want to extend a game that won multiple game of the year awards and was easily one of the best rpg's this gen had to offer? Because a handful of people had issues which were patched within weeks? My experience with Skyrim has been flawless.
I'll never get why people have jumped all over Bethesda for this. Borderlands 2 (fantastic game, by the way) was plagued with problems on the 360 from corrupted save games to hacking issues to frequent game crashes making the game unplayable for some. The Gearbox forums were flooded with pissed 360 owners and after multiple patches, last month they finally received a patch which promised to fix the 360's freeze issues.
And yet no one said boo about this. Bethesda has issues with the PS3 which were patched within a few weeks and we still haven't heard the end of it, mostly from people who most likely never touched the game. Borderlands 2 is screwed for months on the 360...not a word from anyone, not a complaint about Gearbox, nothing.
As games become more complex, the chances of there being problems becomes greater. No game is perfect. Thankfully developers can address these issues. If they didn't, then I think we'd all be well within our rights to complain. That's not the case here.
stop speaking for "most of the ps3 owners", Skyrim is obviously still one of the most played games, even on PS3, look at the discussion forums like these
it's the #3 most discussed PS3 game, obviously plenty of PS3 owners care about and are playing this game and WANT to get these DLCs. the people that want to bash this game are the vocal minority.
I'm gonna have to agree, though maybe it was because I'd never played a game like Morrowind before(I haven't played any of the ES games before that)but it does seem like the games lack something with each release.
I liked oblivion but it felt kinda bare for a world.
Skyrim is different in that aspect, but something is still wrong or missing...I just can't put my finger on it.
On a different subject, I felt the whole dragon thing was quite weak. You want a game that does dragon fights better? Dragon's Dogma.
Yea Bethesda makes some cool games but they just shat on a whole console. They don't deserve support for their products if they don't even care enough to properly treat customers who pay $60.
I only just started playing skyrim last month but after reading the nonsense and my game constantly having to be reset since it gets stuck on load screens that i won't buy the product.
I've had problems with the vanilla 'Skyrim' on the 360.. glitches, freezes, quest markers not updating, had a few savegame corruptions too.. so, it's not all smooth sailing on the 360, there are problems just not as frequent as with the PS3 version.
why are people so bad at how this consumer thing is supposed to work. You sell a product you are liable for it if you product doesn't work its your fault not anyone or company's fault. You don't just get to say its everyone elses fault. Seriously people your hate for inadament objects is sad.It is almost to the level of magic how backwards this gen is and the people who are a part of it.
Lets see, game came out in 2011. It is now 2013.... Does anyone still remember this game? Other then all the issues? The only way I'm getting this is if I file share it with a friend. I've been burned before buying the Skyrim collectors edition for the PS3.
I sold Skyrim months ago I wont every purchase a game from Bethesda again. I can't even finish Fallout 3 DLC because its so buggy. By the time DLC comes out, the PS4 will be out.
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I initially had Skyrim for PS3 but luckily have a good PC so switched to that in the wake of the lag and DLC issues.
I think a PS3 only owner who bought the same product, at the same price as PC and Xbox 360, i would be be (and was) majorly hacked off.
Surely you should warn people of these issues and let them know that their may be issues in the pipeline regarding DLC as the base game itself struggled.
If a publisher saying "hey *certain platform* guys, remember you bought that game from us the same as the other platforms and thought you were getting the same thing? turns out your version lags when you play too much and you won't be getting DLC..." is EVER deemed acceptable and one branch of gamers are supposed to accept that, then said publisher can GTFO and expect no further purchases from me.
There is this thing called Quality Assurance, sold as advertised and downright being fair to people who buy your product instead of taking their cash THEN telling them you have issues. And if Bethesda did means test it and NOT find these massive, game breaking for many, issues during Q&A? Then quite frankly they are providing a sub-par service and don't seserve a cent from those gamers affected.
You just abused the trust and lost the faith of 70+ million user base Bethesda.
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To add insult to injury, it doesn't help that in Skyrim EVERYTHING is remembered by the game -- every item dropped, every arrow stuck in a wall, and so on. In previous games (Elder Scrolls and Fallout) if you left something in the wrong spot for too long it went up with a puff of smoke (not literally), gone, nothing, see - ya - good bye. Hell, I've had times with Fallout 3 and New Vegas that I've dropped and item right in front of me and it was gone before it hit the ground.
All this being said, no matter what you buy a Bethesda game on (PS3, XBOX, PC), take it with a grain (or a pound) of salt in that it will run perfectly without any problems (especially past 40 hours into the game). At least with PC you can correct any issues with the developer console.
Pete Hines respectfully gave Kyle Collier multiple answers and Kyle just blows up saying that Bethesdha continuing to work on the expansion packs were bullshit. Also, I have no idea where you got the '70+ million user base' number as the last public report for sales put the game at 10 million sales as of summer 2012.
When you purchase a product and you get what was advertised for despite how it may perform, the manufactures don't owe the consumer anything if they don't see it worth their while. I'm sure you could argue that on the back of the box it says downloadable content but in legal terms that could just mean a patch.
I read through the article again to perceive how the writer curated the story and I'd say he did get good job of panning the direction back to the fact of the matter that Bethesda is working on patches & all DLC to come to the console.
Because either you are pulling a U turn based on the disagrees or I have misunderstood you that you were actually referring to the Bethesda employee, in the latter case I apologise.
I was writing in response of you calling the PS3 owner on Twitter entitled.
Skyrim is definitely the worst (not saying it's bad, just compared to previous games) in the ES series.
thats what you get for doing a really shitty port and a really bad support for the ps3 version.
I'll never get why people have jumped all over Bethesda for this. Borderlands 2 (fantastic game, by the way) was plagued with problems on the 360 from corrupted save games to hacking issues to frequent game crashes making the game unplayable for some. The Gearbox forums were flooded with pissed 360 owners and after multiple patches, last month they finally received a patch which promised to fix the 360's freeze issues.
And yet no one said boo about this. Bethesda has issues with the PS3 which were patched within a few weeks and we still haven't heard the end of it, mostly from people who most likely never touched the game. Borderlands 2 is screwed for months on the 360...not a word from anyone, not a complaint about Gearbox, nothing.
As games become more complex, the chances of there being problems becomes greater. No game is perfect. Thankfully developers can address these issues. If they didn't, then I think we'd all be well within our rights to complain. That's not the case here.
Just for reference:
http://n4g.com/news/1130381...
stop speaking for "most of the ps3 owners", Skyrim is obviously still one of the most played games, even on PS3, look at the discussion forums like these
http://www.gamefaqs.com/fea...
it's the #3 most discussed PS3 game, obviously plenty of PS3 owners care about and are playing this game and WANT to get these DLCs. the people that want to bash this game are the vocal minority.
I liked oblivion but it felt kinda bare for a world.
Skyrim is different in that aspect, but something is still wrong or missing...I just can't put my finger on it.
On a different subject, I felt the whole dragon thing was quite weak. You want a game that does dragon fights better? Dragon's Dogma.
Oh i see. You mean arse.
I only just started playing skyrim last month but after reading the nonsense and my game constantly having to be reset since it gets stuck on load screens that i won't buy the product.
I am not a designer so i dont know. But i didnt think we'd still be here 14 months on with no progress.
Most other devs/companies have a handle on the PS3 works by now, so what does that tell you?
On the pc front, modders generally are the ones who improve Bethesda's games. Not just with content but performance too.
It creates an impression they either aren't bothering, or are lacking in the quality testing area.
Its on a whole other level then epic.
There are a negligible number of gamers playing on the PS3 anyway.