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Game Developer On Wii U's Slow CPU And Untapped Potential Compared To PS3/360

"We recently interviewed Fronzenbyte Games, the developers of Trine 2, and this is what they had to say when asked about how difficult it was to port Trine 2 to the Wii U, and how much untapped potential it has compared to the PS3 and Xbox 360." (PS3, Trine 2: Director's Cut, Wii U, Xbox 360)

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ritsuka666  +   1125d ago
I was getting worried guys, we haven't had a WiiU Doom article in a while on N4G.


Anyway, these articles of Nintendo Doom and Gloom are getting severely old. Awn...
shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1125d ago
"They also believe the Wii U has a lot of potential but they mentioned that Nintendo mostly designs a console based on what their first-party games offer, and have their own standards."

Doomed for the hardcore games yes.
Nintendo first party is full of kids games. Zelda & mario galaxy are still is fine though.

Expect a sh!t load of cartoony games.

If sony said we design ps4 around our first party titles that would be a huge contrast to nintendo.

The Last of Us vs Pikmen 3!

And why not play as someone great instead of a grape?
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t0mmyb0y  +   1125d ago
I dunno...CoD looks the same as 360/PS3 versions. It just depends on the developer. Nintendo definitely likes to go the cartoonish look, so it'll mostly be up to 3rd party to bring the hardcore. Would be nice if Niny finally grew up a bit.
ShaunCameron  +   1125d ago
<And why not play as someone great instead of a grape?>

Um. Because Pikmin 3 probably have more originality and imagination going for it than The Last Of Us, which seem like a watered-down and banal Uncharted.
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bozebo  +   1125d ago
Pokémon MMO.
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Old McGroin  +   1125d ago
@ shutUpAndTakeMyMoney

"Doomed for the hardcore games yes.
Nintendo first party is full of kids games"

ZombiU, CoD, Aliens, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate and Bayonetta 2 disagree with you, and that's quite a few hardcore games confirmed already for a Nintendo console given how young the system is. Typical Nintendo hater, try not to be so lazy next time you troll a Nintendo article.
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Ezz2013  +   1125d ago

""Pikmin 3 probably have more originality and imagination going for it than The Last Of Us, which seem like a watered-down and banal Uncharted. ""

can you fail even more harder ??!!
i'm soo sick of trolls like you
HammadTheBeast  +   1125d ago
@Mario4Four, of course you won't have any bias with a name like that. But, Ni No Kuni beats Nintendo at it's own game.
MikeMyers  +   1125d ago
Trine 2 is not a very demanding game. When we start to see games like Watchdogs we will see just how well the Wii U handles it, if it gets the game to begin with. We are also on the verge of new systems for Microsoft and Sony so will that mean the Wii U will once again give Nintendo and inferior outlet for gamers buying multiplat titles?

This isn't to harp on the Wii U as the system is not meant to compete with cutting edge technology and performance. Its main feature is the Gamepad so if Sony and Microsoft adopt the same type of thing they too will have to add the cost to their system. Nintendo has said they are not making any money currently off the Wii U units. So if people want a Wii U experience with cutting edge technology then expect to pay for it. $300 is very reasonable for what it offers.
MasterCratosKong66  +   1125d ago
if they wanted you to play as someone great in the last of us, they would make will smith the main character and call it what it really is, I am legend the game (not saying it will be a bad game cuz it looks awesome, but lets not pretend like it is an original concept because it's not). also hating on cartoony games doesnt make you a hardcore gamer. it makes you look like you are overcompensating for a need to feel mature. especially when some of those cartoony games offer plenty of depth
Perjoss  +   1125d ago
I see no doom surrounding the WiiU, the PS2 was always a bit less powerful than the xbox and people never associated it with doom or failure. Devs will work to its strengths.

Can't wait to see if they stick the motion sensor on the gamepad for Aliens Colonial Marines :)
LOL_WUT  +   1125d ago
"Would be nice if Niny finally grew up a bit."
A bit? No, they need a lot of growing up to do. They play it safe with the same old franchises, art style and weak hardware. The Zelda tech demo was nice, thats the direction I want them to take for all their IP's. Maybe then can they be taken seriously. ;)
PopRocks359  +   1125d ago

Because Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword all had the same art style. GTFO
PopRocks359  +   1125d ago

The Last of Us vs Bayonetta 2. Fixed.

"And why not play as someone great instead of a grape?"

You're pretty ignorant. I highly doubt you've ever even played Pikmin before. "DERP I'mma judge the game based on its rating!!!"

You must feel like such a big boy.
specsmatter  +   1125d ago
Bayonetta versus LOU lol gtfo diff leagues try harder. It was suppose to be zombie u killer app versus whatever but turned out to be mediocre and looked aged lol worse thn there year old games lol
PopRocks359  +   1125d ago

Points that have nothing to do with the topic at hand aside, Bayonetta and Last of Us is a far better comparison than Last of Us and Pikmin 3. Moron.
ABizzel1  +   1125d ago
Even with the bad CPU, I don't think it hurts NIntendo, because they sell their console based on their name brand, and their exclusives.

But it completely divides the 3rd party developer support NIntendo claimed they were after this generation.

Trine is another bad example, because while it's a great looking game, it's among the standard NIntendo 2D Side Scroller, with standard enemy AI for those games.
LAWSON72  +   1125d ago
Cartoony games, dont make me laugh. They have done more for gaming then any graphic intensive game has.
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SilentNegotiator  +   1125d ago
I'm glad the developer of DEMANDING games like Trine 2 cleared this up over top-notch developers like DICE.
Thepcz  +   1125d ago
lol you got to be kidding me, right? last of us? an inevitably dull game based on 1997 mechanics. albeit dressed in hi res clothing. even uncharted is a very basic and oldskool game. just shoot and run gameplay. a gauntlet. hardly creative use of modern tech. but what would you know about that?

even pokemon on a gameboy colour has more creativity than last of us. since last of us is nothing more than a pretentious disaster film wannabe game.

its only main selling point being 'da grafix' and the fact its from the same devs who brought uncharted- who i pointed out in the last paragraph, is nothing more than a tarted up tomb raider game from 1997.

you say expect a lot of cartoony games, but on ps4 expect a load of realistic (ie real is brown) miserable games with lots of sex guns and blood for 'mature' people (ie spotty teens

at least nintendo games have class, instead of the trashy feeling most ps games have

merry christmas :)
BattleAxe  +   1125d ago
Nintendo fanboyism has gotten way out of control. Nintendo is falling behind the times, and they don't seem to be able to look much further than one or 2 years down the road when it comes to their tech. I will admit that I loved Nintendo when I was a kid, and I still have my original NES, for which I still collect games for, but the fact is that when you look at Nintendo's business as a whole, they are a sinking ship.

They've done some great things for the industry, and they have some iconic video game characters, but I'm afraid that they're going to need more than an outdated console with a tablet to stay relevant for more than a year or two max.
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DarkHeroZX  +   1125d ago
@old McGroin

Most of the games you stated where 3rd party. If Monster hunter doesn't pick up in sales you can best believe the game will be ported over to the ps3 and maybe even the PSP or vita. Capcom only likes money. And Cod is already on ps3/360, never be to quick to comment if you don't think about what someone's post says.
blackbeld  +   1125d ago
I like both Nintendo and Sony.

I will buy the WiiU with the Zelda package and PS4 at launch. They both have good exclusives.

NIntendo: Zelda, Metroid, Mario, etc.

Sony: Metal Gear Solid Snake's, Granturismo, Uncharted, God of War, etc.

Except xbox I just can't jump in there. No good exclusives. Gears of war and Halo thats it? No thanks.
Ezz2013  +   1125d ago
******"lol you got to be kidding me, right? last of us? an inevitably dull game based on 1997 mechanics. albeit dressed in hi res clothing. even uncharted is a very basic and oldskool game. just shoot and run gameplay. a gauntlet. hardly creative use of modern tech. but what would you know about that?

even pokemon on a gameboy colour has more creativity than last of us. since last of us is nothing more than a pretentious disaster film wannabe game.

its only main selling point being 'da grafix' and the fact its from the same devs who brought uncharted- who i pointed out in the last paragraph, is nothing more than a tarted up tomb raider game from 1997. "******

WTF i keep reading ?
does guys like you even try any more to look atleast know what they are talking about?
and you got agrees for saying something really stupid and plain wrong like that?

N4G has gone down to rock bottom
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WiiUsauce  +   1125d ago
it's called having style and a neat design. Why is having colorful, fantastical designed worlds and characters bad? It's what sets most Nintendo games apart from the countless brown/grey/black military shooters. It's art. If you look at Skyward Sword and Super Mario Galaxy running in 1080p on an emulator, they look f'n GORGEOUS.

Besides, the main reason why they made most of their first party games look "cartoony" was because that was the art design that worked best for the Wii. If you look at games that try to look realistic on the Wii, they look ugly, because the Wii wasn't good at pulling off realistic graphics. Wii U most definitely can, and we might see the return of the darker Twilight Princess Zelda design. Or we could get a beautiful and stylized cell shaded Zelda like Wind Waker again. I'd be cool with either.

Also, not all Nintendo games looked cartoony on Wii. Metroid Prime, Sin and Punishment Star Successor, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Monster Hunter Tri, and Metroid Other M all had a more teen/adult focused art direction. Just wait til you see the next Sin and Punishment, the next Metroid, the next Monolith Soft game, the next console Monster Hunter, and Nintendo's new IP's like Bayonetta 2 on Wii U. They will look absolutely stunning. I guarantee it.
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ElectricKaibutsu  +   1125d ago

About Ni no Kuni beating Nintendo at their own game, it also came out on DS. Just saying.
MaxXAttaxX  +   1125d ago
- Not really. They only share story elements, but they're NOT the same game. And the differences go beyond just graphics and their respective subtitles (i.e. Wrath of the White Witch).

- TLOU a watered-down Uncharted?

@Old McGroin
- ZombieU, Really? At least pick a game that wasn't mediocre. ZombieU was far from the GamePad-justifying Wii U killer app people thought it would be.
The rest are third-party games.

- Uncharted has Tomb Raider 1997-based mechanics in high-res? Do you even realize what you're saying? Could you Nintendo fanboys be any more out of control and uninformed!?

Let's be honest here. People aren't buying the Wii U for a next-gen high-end graphics experience (unless the only current console you owned was a Wii).
People are buying it for the new generation of first-party Nintendo games.
And that's really all that matters. There's no reason to stretch the subject any more than it has to be.
I honestly can't wait for the next Metroid, SSB and Kirby, for example.

P.S. Those of you who think that art style has anything to do with whether a game is core or not, you're wrong.
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nukeitall  +   1125d ago

"If sony said we design ps4 around our first party titles that would be a huge contrast to nintendo."

Yup, that is how we got the "impressive" PS3 that was designed to do Fast Fourier Transforms (read number crunching) instead of the typical load a game requires.

Point being, Nintendo apparently targets their hardware to games while Sony apparently didn't!
TheDivine  +   1125d ago
It doesn't have to be x vs y. You can play more than one system instead of assuming its TLU vs Pikmin. Also there's far more games on each system than one each. The wii-u is a great successor to the wii. It's hd, has a tablet controller with motion, and has not only great 3rd party support but the best 1st party support in the industry. The 3ds might not be the most powerful handheld but its comparable to the vita, has 2 screens, and its own unique features. It's a great follow up to the ds. The wii-u will do well overtime and the 720/ps4 will also rock.

Those Saying Nin only does kiddie games haven't played a Nin console. They have some of the most core games ever like Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Metroid, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Zombie-u, Twewy, Radiant Historia, and many more 1st and 3rd party exclusives. It's all about the games and Nin has them. They're not all realistic shooters which I guess is all your definition of core but they're good, fun, hard games with good gameplay and amazing stories. Look at the 3ds. It has all the big games. MH4, Shin Megami Tensei 4, Dragon Quest 7 remake, Soul Hackers, Castlevania, RE, and most every other big name. Nin has tons of core games and besides the 3 main reasons for a wii-u IMO is miiverse, the tablet controller, and hd Nin games. NsmbU was a return to Super Mario World level epic ness from Nin. Miiverse is the best online integration I've ever seen. Playing through NsmbU with comments, drawings, and mii's popping up all over the map was the coolest thing ever. Everything is connected to the forums, boards, and community. Can't wait for a hd Metroid, Kid Icarus, Xenoblade, Paper Mario, Zelda, Fire Emblem, and hopefully a Twewy sequel.
ElectricKaibutsu  +   1124d ago
Honestly I know little to nothing about Ni no Kuni. I just remembered seeing the DS version at the store. All I know is it has something to do with Studio Ghibli (who I love BTW) but I just learned that right now from Wikipedia.
Mounce  +   1125d ago
You've clearly not seen the amount of Vita doom and gloom articles in comparison, LOL.
MRMagoo123  +   1125d ago

Lmao are you serious??? "these articles of Nintendo Doom and Gloom are getting severely old" how about the ps3 the doom and gloom articles are still going 7 years down the road, the wiiu has been out a few months its gonna be getting a lot more like these.
showtimefolks  +   1125d ago
these articles about nintendo doom and gloom remind me so much of how N4G was back in 2006 with PS3. Each day there were so many articles about how ps3 will never catch xbox or how Playstation brand is dead and sony should get out of gaming business

sony did good for them self and so will nintendo.

what a lot of you don't seem to understand its not a race, its a marathon so the start might be slow but things can improve over time. Look at PS3, and how it started to where its considered to be the best console this gen software wise and how many exclusives sony has produced

wii-u will be fine too.

MS i think will be in a little bit of trouble not because they did anything badly but because they have kind of forgotten about its core fan base and they seem to care more about being the media box in your living room than an actual gaming system.
HarryMasonHerpderp  +   1124d ago
Let's not forget Nintendo can produce high quality adult games, Resident Evil on the Gamecube for one and that was graphically better than any RE on any other console at the time.
Everything does seems to of gone more towards the casual/kids market since the Wii though.
Newsman  +   1125d ago
Usually good rashes but this is pure flame bait crap
torchic  +   1125d ago
did you not read the article? that was the safest response you'll ever hear about the Wii U's power. no flamebait there, just a dev reluctant on using the term "less powerful" and instead pulling the old "Nintendo do things their own way" card.

the main point is that we're still heavily comparing Wii U to PS3/360.

at the end of the day, after all the arguing, after all the commenting, after everything, that's what it boils down to and that's what's so worrying about the system.

well I've enjoyed my PS3, and I'm ready to move on to next gen. this doesn't look like the system that will bring me to that point.
Kingofwiiu  +   1125d ago
It's definitely a powerfull system. Whilst it may have it's energy saving CPU , the GPU is obviously a beast something like 6670 .

Ofcourse it will smash the graphics of Ps3 and 360 in the long run , that's not even questionable.
Trine 2 directors cut SMASHES most of the graphics on those systems already and it's a rushed launch port.

Give it a while and it will produce AMAZING graphics. But this system is about Dual screen play , mii verse , Exclusives , etc not just about power.

It's a powerfull console , when you consider some of its power is being sapped by the gamepad.

It's like comparing the 3DS to the PSP. The 3DS actually has a slightly slower CPU than the PSP..... But the GPU is WAY WAY WAY WAY better and it has 4 times as much RAM and a stereoscopic 3d screen.

Overall the 3DS just feels absoloutly a clear generation ahead of the PSP.
And at the launch of the 3DS , the graphics were pretty bad. Only street fighter 4 pilot wings looked better than PSP graphics.

Same with wiiu. Slower CPU , Much much much better GPU , More RAM/ Edram , and second screen on its gamepad.
Some of the graphics at launch are the same or a tiny bit worse than the 360 in some cases , alhough they do use 2 screens.

Some are better like Trine 2....

Once the wiiu grows a bit , it will be like the 3DS. Clearly a newer and better device than what came before it.
HammadTheBeast  +   1125d ago
KingofWiiU, it may crush the current consoles. But this year, the next gen offerings from Sony and Microsoft are all but confirmed to come out, so how will Wii compare to those?
Kingofwiiu  +   1125d ago
@Hammad the one.

It will compare better than you think. The gap between Wii and 360 is gunna be a lot smaller with Wiiu - 720. That's for sure unless the 720 cost about $600 to manufacture and is being sold at a loss.

The GPU in the wiiu may actually compare to the 720. The 8000M is no better than the 6670.
Because it's a mobile GPU.

What the wiiu won't do in power it will make up for with innovation. How are the 720 and ps4 gunna compare to Rayman legends where one play uses a Wii remote or pro controller and the other uses the touch screen on the gamepad ?

They can't compare to that.
aquamala  +   1125d ago
How can we compare wiiu to the next ps/Xbox when we know nothing about them? Of course we can only compare it to systems that exist. Xbox/ps fanboys are just dreaming their next system will have über specs.
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   1125d ago

The new Xbox Durango will have a touch screen in the middle of it's controller. Remember this post.
specsmatter  +   1125d ago
In response kingofwiiu

You make yourself look more and more foolish lol So let me get this straight your killer app is trine2 tht u say blows away any ps3 game bwahhhhhhhhh how dumb can you sound? and how much can you be pulling for straws? There is no wiiu game now or in forseeable future that even looks better thn mgs4 let alone console benchmarks like uc2, gow3, kz2 which are years old. Plz be happy with your rudimentart 2d platformer games tht are no technical feat and look gd on any system like rayman and trine lol but dont compare it to 3d technically advanced games like kz2, uc2, etccccc tht wipe the floor with wiiu games. You guys come on here spewing bs while most are laughing boasting about a few cartoony 2d games in 1080p native lol ive already plyed a few years ago on ps3 1080p native. Wiiu isnt just underpowered for nxt gen, but current as well.

You can eat ppls minds here but none of those games mentioned presently or in the near will touch ps3 exclusive games graphic fidelity. I didnt need to be a psychic to knw wiiu wouldn't churn out bo2 and mass effect3 in 1080p (all of u ate your words) and i dnt need2be a psychic to knw wiiu games incoming arent even touching four year old games lol You betted on Zombie u and lost big time!!! i knw it hurts but its life.

And plz ppl stop selling lies on this site graphically wiiu is way behind and a list of cartoony 2d gmes in 1080p dsnt change tht fact lol Wiiu and nintendo stick to cartoony games because thy are easier, cheaper to develop and dont tax or show hardwares weakness and inefficiency.

Last but not least keep bsnking on colonial marines lol previewers already saying environment s are nice but character animations suck and feel stiff. Also graphics have a fake shiny look. Wasnt gearbox involved witg duke nukem forever? lol hyped up trash. The last of us will crap all over the comp. the same way uc2 still does bwahhhhhhhhh
ronin4life  +   1125d ago
Probably the same way 3ds has compared to Vita.
Very few games will capitalize on the power well enough on the newer machines to really express their strength while the hardware itself is bogged down by poor design choices(like high dev costs, high price or comparable issues) while the wiiu starts to ramp up good games and incredible looking upcoming exclusives.(like 3ds has done with its Mario games up to resident evil, and beyond).
Ippiki Okami  +   1125d ago
"Ofcourse it will smash the graphics of Ps3 and 360 in the long run , that's not even questionable.
Trine 2 directors cut SMASHES most of the graphics on those systems already and it's a rushed launch port."

Until I see a Far Cry 3, Bioshock Infinite, GTA V or Crysis 3 ports running on a wiiu, imma say you are full of crap.
Megaton  +   1125d ago
@Kingofwiiu - LOL @ "...the GPU is obviously a beast something like 6670."

6670 is not a beast. The GTX 690 is a beast. Compare and contrast.

Now compared to the lowest iteration of AMD's current 7000-series, the 7750.
hivycox  +   1125d ago

What your problem ??? and what with the 'bwahhhhh'?

first: he didn't even say that Trine 2 blows any ps3 games away...he used it in an example for games which looks better on the wiiu

second: the entire first half of your post is just flat out wrong. How do you know that future wiiu games which aren't even showed yet won't look better that current gen games...according to history every game did look better than previous gen (even the games on the wii (Galaxy comes to mind))

But if you true than I didn't know trolls could foresee the future.

And last: cartoony games are cheaper to that your argument??? I rembered years ago I read something about cell-shaded graphics.. they are harder to make that realistic textures... Nintendo always puches their games to the end in terms of gameplay, story and especially graphics... do some research before shitting your opinion all over the place... it stinks...

ah yeah one last note:

grow up bwahhhhhh!!
specsmatter  +   1125d ago
at hivycox.......

before you defend someone stfu and learn how to read. He was suggesting tht weak 2d cartoony trine lol blows away the competition in terms of graphics hmmmmmm.... and i quote.....

Trine 2 directors cut SMASHES most of the graphics on those systems already and it's a rushed launch port."

Your comprehesion skills are obviously lacking so read again. His comment alone about a non taxing 2d platformer looking better thn most current offerings is insane......

Furthermore who mentioned cell shaded games alone? I said a 2d cartoony side scrolling game cell shaded or not cost cheaper to develop thn a 3d technically advanced game like uc, gow or even borderlands which is cell shaded but obviously more complex thn a bs side scrolling mario game, rayman, etcccccc

You must be like 16. When you finish school, then re read our debate and answer accordingly.
hivycox  +   1125d ago

it looks like you are the one who is immature. As a matter of fact I graduated years ago.

Why can't you give an appropriate answer without exposing and insulting???

Its people like you why the gaming community turned into a whole bunch of human beings who love it to expose others.

talking to you is with due respect a waste of time and strenght
Irishguy95  +   1125d ago
Developers gotta learn how to use it right? That was Sony's excuse
iamnsuperman  +   1125d ago
And Sony proved it with their own releases and now we have multiplatform games equal across all platforms (except for an extremely few amount developers like Bethesda)
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hawkeyejonjon  +   1125d ago
Yeah. Developers need time to learn how to use the potential of the system. It wasn't a excuse for Sony because its true. Game companies takes time to learn the full potential of a system because it is impossible to learn it in a short amount of time.
specialguest  +   1125d ago
The article never mentioned about developers needing time to learn how to use it. There was no excuse, but a compliment on the ease of porting over a game.
t0mmyb0y  +   1125d ago
I agree, but it's not an excuse. You see any 360 games that look like PS3's high end games? PS3 won graphics awards for years after it was cracked. What's the best 360 looking game?
IRetrouk  +   1125d ago
Halo 4, forza 4 and horizon and gears2/3 also alan wake had some sweet lighting
IRetrouk  +   1124d ago
Damn thats a lot of disagrees for listing 360s best looking games, tommyboy did ask what the best was on 360
SilentNegotiator  +   1125d ago
Except the cell processor was literally new and GPGPUs have been around for a long while.
poo342947294792  +   1125d ago
I enjoy the wii u a lot just wish Nintendo would update the firmware to speed up loading times and app switching other then that np
MattyG  +   1125d ago
Seriously, you guys think this is a doom article? Did you even read it? The developer is complimenting the system, saying it has big potential, devs just have to learn the ins and outs (which is true, not just of the WiiU, of most systems.
showtimefolks  +   1125d ago
Most will just look at headline and leave a comment

When ps3 was released it took a while for developers to learn and some never learned till the end because cell was not a easy development tool.

Wii-u is using off the shelf products so I don't think it will have as difficult time development wise but one issue I do see us a lot of 3rd party publishers are scared that if they release a M rated game in wii-u it won't sell.

Nintendo always pushes ts 1st party games hard but for them to get 3rd party on board they gonna have to go out of their way to make it happen
RevXM  +   1125d ago
How can the WiiU possibly have big potential when its games are so comparable to PS3 & 360 games?
Some multiplats are even worse than its 7th gen versions!

I cant recall 360 or Ps3 having any game released that looked the same or worse than 6th gen counterparts or competitors.

Perhaps the Wii-U can do better than the 7th gen consoles, but it looks like the wii all over again to me.
The ps3 is like 35 times more powerful than the wii yet they came out at about the same time.

So how relevant would this so called potential of the wii U be when the Ps4 and next xbox comes around?
Just food for thought.
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MattyG  +   1125d ago
Sure, it won't be as powerful as PS4/720, but it also won't be as comparatively weak as the Wii was, and I don't think Nintendo is trying for a powerhouse. They wanted to make a unique experience, and they delivered. We need to get over the "power is everything" mentality. Besides, what do people buy Nintendo consoles for? First party exclusives. I don't think we need a Zelda game with Battlefield 3 PC fidelity, and most people won't be upset if it isn't the most powerful machine (I say most, but it seems lately all anyone cares about is graphics and power).
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GuyManDude  +   1125d ago

"Besides, what do people buy Nintendo consoles for? First party exclusives."

100 million people didn't buy the Wii for 1st party games. 20 million maybe. The other 80 million bought Wiis for the Wiimote, Wii Sports, and Wii Fit.

The reason so many people want the WiiU to be a "powerhouse" is for 3rd party support. I'll list off some 3rd party games that the Wii couldn't support due to hardware limitations:

Batman: Arkham City, Assassin's Creed, Battlefield, Bioshock, Borderlands, Dead Space, Dishonored, Dragon Age, Fallout, Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect, Portal 2, Red Dead Redemption, Skyrim, etc.

If Sony and Microsoft release consoles that are significantly more powerful than the WiiU, this situation will happen again, and people who want strong 3rd party support on the WiiU don't want that to happen.
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ronin4life  +   1125d ago
I really doubt Sony AND MS(that and is very important) can both afford to release powerful enough machines... especially since machines powerful enough to truly leave wiiu behind don't even exist in the pc sphere yet.

This last gen was near suicide for developers, with several closures throughout the term. The dev community has barely recovered from that devastation, so I highly doubt any console maker wants to put more strain on them at this point. It was so bad, even many major publishers and big name devs where having troubles.

The second factor is a general standardization. The ps2 was quite a bit behind xbox/gc in power yet got more development... because it made more sense to build up from the lowest denominator. Just as it did this gen, from the 360 up to pc. This actually makes it difficult to focus on power for either company, as doing so only to have the other make a (in gen) mid-tier system results in games being made for wiiu, then upped to mid-tier THEN to your console... if it isn't to much trouble or money to do so. It would be the same as wii, but in reverse.

The first factor keeps wiiu from being left behind, and the second cements this. Among a billion MS/Sony specific factors that also say the same thing.
Imalwaysright  +   1125d ago
"PS3 launch games looked like ps2 games, look at it now. Each system has a learning curve" LMAO


GoW 2

@ ronin "especially since machines powerful enough to truly leave wiiu behind don't even exist in the pc sphere yet." My GTX680 disagrees with you.
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Braid  +   1125d ago

Would you care to explain us what you meant with this quote?

"... machines powerful enough to truly leave wiiu behind don't even exist in the pc sphere yet. "

Am I getting this right, or are you implying that a Wii U can not be left behind by any PC configuration that exists right now (or a future gaming unit that uses high-end pc components for that matter) as the tech is not available in the market yet? If that's what you implied, you might want to Google "690 GTX".

If you meant the tech doesn't exist within a reasonable production cost though, that might be correct but you'd never know as they sign special deals with manufacturers and get significant discounts on the hardware components. Besides, as far as I can remember both PS3 and 360 had an insanely expensive GPU unit which were the highest tech available for their time. I don't know why we shouldn't expect the same this time around.
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WiiUsauce  +   1125d ago
people like you should not have access to a computer.
Nevers0ft  +   1125d ago
Any new console takes time for developers to learn its nuances and get the most out of it. It's just that a percentage of posters on N4G refuse to acknowledge that because they're insecure about their own console choice.
chadboban  +   1125d ago
"It's just that a percentage of posters on N4G refuse to acknowledge that because they're insecure about their own console choice."

Couldn't agree more.
PirateThom  +   1125d ago
I don't think it's anyone being insecure, I just think it's a direct response to the sheer number of people who were proclaiming Nintendo dominating console graphics and how the Wii U would blow current gen consoles away and the launch has been sub-par and, for the same reasons, the graphics haven't been up to the expectations and promises of Nintendo and their fans.
Nevers0ft  +   1125d ago
I never said Nintendo owners weren't insecure too ;) It's a natural reaction to defend your purchase to the hilt, even if that means throwing logic out of the window.

I'm just as guilty as the rest of the members here. If Nintendo farted near me I'd insist it was the most wondrous smell ever. I just try not to abuse the other consoles because I don't have much experience with them, whereas many posters on here confuse their opinion with fact.
psfangirl  +   1125d ago
so pirate thom, you are saying we should judge a consoles graphic capabilities based on what, rushed half assed ports like the wii u has received?

how has the launch of the wii u been sub par? it is running games that the 360 and ps3 took devs years to be able to code for to achieve their performance, yet the wii u is running them just fine under the circumstance of being rushed ports.

just wonder if you will be so harsh on the ps4 launch when it rolls around

animegamingnerd- beat me to it. it surprises me that common sense isnt used anymore in the gaming community.
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animegamingnerd  +   1125d ago
agree it took the 360 and PS3 7 years to reach this point and the wii u can do it right out of the gate also compare the PS3 and 360 launch titles to what we have now i bet if those games came out today people would say they look last gen
lfclee  +   1125d ago
I am glad I bought my wii u !
HateFanboys  +   1125d ago
Good for you, Im glad i didnt!
CLOUD1983  +   1125d ago
"Well-known hacker Marcan, who played a part in hacking the PS3, has found out the clock speed of the Wii U. It’s surprising how slow it is, and I’m actually having troubles even thinking that Nintendo went with something like that. It’s a well known fact that the PS3′s Cell and Xbox 360′s Xenon run at 3.0 GHZ each per core, but the Wii U CPU runs at 1.243125 GHz per core."

"Most third-party games so far on the Wii U have been professionally examined to be running slower than their PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts. Games like Black Ops 2, Mass Effect 3 and even Batman: Arkham City have problems when it comes to maintaining a steady frame rate."

LooooL absolutely pathetic.. & the funny/ridiculous things is that they call this console "next generation" ~.~ can u believe that? Nintendo have lost it if they plan to compete with this piece of hardware when SONY/M$ release their next console, that thing have just 1/3 clock spd compare to PS3/xbox when PS3/xbox r 6-7 years old...
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Nevers0ft  +   1125d ago
Hmmmm... Makes you wonder how such a weak console can play a rushed port on-par with the console(s) it was developed for. So either the Wii U ports had GENIUS coders or clock speeds mean very little these days.

There's nothing clever or efficient about just ramping up clock speeds and if MS and Sony have any sense, their next consoles will be clocked lower as well.
metroid32  +   1125d ago
Ask yourself this was the Zelda and Japenese garden tech demo's Nextgen and Nintendo officially said that engine was old in other words not as impressive as what they have now ?

The most valid rumor is the new Zelda game has a forest area and its beautiful and very dark in its look also its sense of scale is unlike any zelda game before it and it runs on a more powerful version of that E3 engine.

WiiU at E32013 is going to show games running on their in house GameEngines from Retro studios as well as tech demo's everyone will have to accept the wiiu is truly Nextgen as them engines could well be better than CE3 or UE4 who knows all i do know is Nintendo will have lots to show at E3 as they have released nothing big yet so their obviously saving their big guns to fend off ps4 ect.
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Belking  +   1125d ago
I don't think the CPU will make that much of a difference. The Wii cpu wasn't all that great but the console did go on to outsell the competition. It's a little early to be counting Nintendo out. We all know what they are capable of.
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sway_z  +   1125d ago
The Wii U is cool for the Nintendo faithful....BUT!

If I am going to pony up $100's for a new console, it had better perform and play like I spent $100's because graphical enhancements are what we have come to expect.

All those weak lame and pathetic arguments that Graphics don't matter is quite frankly insecurity.

If you like Mario X, Zelda X and the rest of the Nintendo franchises, then good for you....

Playability and awesome story lines aside, I am interested in amazing visuals and a super smooth's what I am playing and paying wake up and stop whining!!
MasterCratosKong66  +   1125d ago
why would you not pay and play for playability and awesome storylines? those are easily just as important if not more
sway_z  +   1125d ago
You mis understood me...playability and awesome storylines aside, meaning that's a given :/
Kos-Mos  +   1125d ago
You`re very insecure if graphics matter. You`re captain is not big enough without a nice car. Understand kiddo?
sway_z  +   1124d ago
Says mister 1 bubble.....kiddo ;/
Kennytaur  +   1125d ago
I honestly don't care too much about the power, what worries me is the mix of controllers and weird online service. Console-locked games, what the eff?
chukamachine  +   1125d ago
Nintendo made ka-jillions from the poor cheap hardware of the WII.

For the WII-U, they really could have gone all out.

Instead they have a basic medium type system with another controller strategy.

They should have pushed out a massive upgrade over 360/PS3. That would have looked fantastic and even when PS4/720 comes would have still looked quality and at a cheaper price.

As I've said, I expect 40million wii-u's.

PS4 will again reach PS2 status.

720 will sell 50million.
ronin4life  +   1125d ago
So... for being moderate with their money wiiu will fail... but if Sony, in horrible financial straits Shits out all their money making a monster machine they will reach ps2 levels? You mean that ps2 that was the cheapest weakest console of its gen?

Think about it this way: wii to wiiu is equivalent, in release timing, industry affects and market conditions, to ps1 to ps2.

Both wii and ps1 brought in new gamers with cheap price pointing and at the time Defining "Gimmicks"
Both ps2 and soon wiiu will be the lowest and cheapest console in their gen.
Both wiiu and ps2 came out first, at about the same time span difference as their competitors if rumors are to be believed.

Looks like precedence is telling us something here...
tommygunzII  +   1125d ago
Can you really see daycare centers and nursing homes with PS3's in them? Nintendo knows where its money is, it will sell consoles just fine.
Genuine-User  +   1125d ago
I want one but I'll wait till E3.
I hope Nintendo shows Donkey Kong , Luigi's Mansion, Mario, Legend of Zelda, Smash and Metroid Prime running on the Wii U.
I know I have named a lot of titles but I have to see how they play and look before I can make the purchase.
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delboy  +   1125d ago
I see many people think that next ps4 or xbox will be 10x more poweful than curent gen.
Well, ps360 is about 500 GFLOPS and ps4 and next box won't be 5 TFLOPS.
I hope they reach 2 TFLOPS,anything more and I will be more then happy.
I also think many gamers will be really disappointed,because the jump will not be so big like ps2 to ps3.
ILive  +   1125d ago
I really wish people would stop saying that people will be disappointed with the differences between the current and next Gen hardware. Ps1 to ps2 was a big leap, and so is ps2 to 3. Do you think people are expecting pixar graphics capabilities? There are many areas in which current systems could benefit. I am expecting the machines to deliver in the graphics department, while providing new ways to play. If the differences will be minimal, do you think Sony and Ms wouldnt bring out their new consoles unless the difference were significant? Many people will keep their current machines as they wouldn't see the point in owning a new one into until the prices have been significantly reduced because of software.
delboy  +   1125d ago
You have no clue about curent technology, and the advancement made in the past couple of years.
You're really think ps4 will have better graphics then curent PC?
For the average gamer BF3 on ps3 and BF3 on ultra on PC is almost the same,they don't see a big leap between.
Average Joe won't see tessellation implemented,or couple of more shaders,and the jump from 720p to 1080p even less.
Ps2 to ps3 was a big jump in power about 10x,we had bigger resolution jump,implementation of shaders,hdr... ect.

New ways of gamplay? Sure,you have kinect, move or wiiu second screen lol
mamotte  +   1125d ago | Well said
And here we go, back to the N4G's logic:

- X Console is not powerful, we want more power
> Then buy a PC
- Nah, it's true PC has all the power we want. But no. Because it's all about the games.
> Then power shouldn't matter.
- But we want power
> But...
- Enough! If I say -insert company game here- is bad, then it's bad-
> ...
- We want it cheap, too.
MasterCratosKong66  +   1125d ago
everyone on this site should read this comment
BlackWolf  +   1125d ago
Hater/graphic whores community in a nutshell. Bravo!
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1upgamer99  +   1125d ago
LOL its true. That is why I get so upset when people bash Nintendo. I Love my PS3/Wii U. I do not bash other peoples choices. To each His own. For me it is all about games. I Bought a Wii, and it was not getting the ports I wanted so I bought a PS3 a few years ago. Now I have Wii U and am very happy with it. It is about the games, and for me at least a new way to play, I personally really like the gamepad and for some games it is really adding to the experience. Now when PS4 comes out am I going to have to get one in a few years because the ports will not come to Wii u, well I am not sure. I do think that will be at least 2 years down the line. I really doubt PS4 will be out in 2013. Now in the meantime that gives Nintendo time to put out Bayonetta2, Metroid, Zelda, Mario platformer, Smash Bro's, Fatal Frame, Starfox, FZero, Plus Miyamoto's secret new IP, and some great 3rd party games too. So yes it is about the games and not the power. Wii U can put some great looking Graphics out as well. So even When PS4 comes out I doubt I am going to look at first party games on Wii U and say oh yuck that looks awful.
room414  +   1125d ago
And just like the wii the wii u won't have the power or the games...
mamotte  +   1125d ago
You didn't play enough Wii then... But for sure you didnt even try.
animegamingnerd  +   1124d ago
it's scary to know how true it is
pennywhyz  +   1125d ago
To me and i have all 3 consoles are all lots of fun but imo if you want power then start talking PC and not consoles.My PC puts all of these consoles to shame as it will the new ones.When i hear consoles i think of fun not power.
1upgamer99  +   1125d ago
The clock speed is what it is, it is the GPU/CPU that powers the Wii U. They are based on MUCH newer tech than PS3/360, also having 3X's the ram for gaming alone than other systems helps. If the Wii U is so bad why is that "We were able to ramp up Trine 2 art to a higher degree than with other consoles" okay if they were able to graphically ramp up "compared to other consoles" Does that mean the Wii U is less capable than other systems? Sonic developers say they first surprise they had was "the capability of the GPU" http://www.officialnintendo...
You know, how come it is the same people who clearly hate Nintendo post, over and over. Why can't they just hang out in their consoles forum instead of bashing Nintendo. I love PS3 but could care less about 360 and I don't go in to the 360 articles and bash them.. there are things I could say about 360 fanboys for sure.
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corrus  +   1125d ago
Keep to defend Nintendo babies and once more stop compared that game for babies Pikmin with The Last Of Us and about the devs they already skip Wii U

Far Cry 3
Tomb Raider
Dark Souls 2
Crysis 3
Resident Evil 6
Remember Me
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Sleeping Dogs
Watching Dogs
Star Wars 13113
Devil May Cry
Dead Space 3
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Army of Two: The Devil's Cartel
BioShock Infinite
ShaunCameron  +   1125d ago
Wii U owners are not missing much with those games you listed. Especially the Western-developed ones.
TongkatAli  +   1125d ago
You're racist to Western developed games ? lol
BIGTAMR  +   1125d ago
Your listing some exclusives as well as games that have been in development long before the wii u was announced. Developers aren't gonna spend even more time on new hardware, that'll delay games and annoy gamers something they will never do.
MattyG  +   1125d ago
It's ironic the you call Nintendo fans babies in the same sentence that sounds like it was written by a child.
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PopRocks359  +   1125d ago

There are some problems with your list. The bulk of those games were long into development before Wii U dev kits were released. Resident Evil 6 came out before the Wii U did and Capcom already said they insist on providing newer content as oppose to porting old ones to the Wii U.

GTAV is not confirmed to be skipping the Wii U. Neither is Tomb Raider (in fact, we still need to hear about which Square game is going to the Wii U).

Finally I don't want DmC. So I'm not missing much there.
1upgamer99  +   1125d ago
LMAO, "Keep to defend Nintendo babies and once more stop compared that game for babies Pikmin with The Last Of Us and about the devs they already skip Wii U" LOL if you don't speak ENGLISH don't comment in it. Look I don't go to Spanish, German, French sites and pretend to know what the hell I am saying...MOST of those games are in no way special. They are available on PC. OUCH...The only games that matter in this conversation are CONSOLE only...Please do yourself a favor and learn better English before posting on a English site. I know I sure as hell would not post on whatever language site you are from. Also Project Cars looks far better than GTA5, Zombi U blows RE6 away, Crytek(makers of crysis3) is making a BRAND NEW Wii U game, Devil May Cry ( I think the Devil did with the last game made) Is far from a AAA game. Dead Space, we will see what happens. Here read this...Zelda, Metroid, Super Smash Bros, Bayonetta2, Fatal Frame, Eternal Darkness2, 3D mario, Starfox, Donkey Kong, Sin and Punishment,and for the record I don' play Pikmin "game for babies" but wow it sure the hell scored 89.60 on MetaCritic which is allot harder to do then on a Lets say IGN or any other game website.
younghavok  +   1125d ago
nothing to see here in the comment section I see, a bunch of people who didnt read the article spouting nonsense, some who did and are trying to spin it into nonsense, a few who took it as what it is, and somebody talking about how much their aunt makes on the internet.

Us gamers are a diverse people.
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QuebecSuperstar  +   1125d ago
Blah blah blah blah...the Wii U isn't next gen...blah blah blah...Wii U is for kids...blah blah...outdated specs...blah blah blah blah...just an upgraded Wii...blah blah blah PS4/next XBOX will destroy it...blah blah blah game at launch...blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Fawk, the gaming community is annoying! It would be so simple to all be happy with which console we decide to game on.
Sgt_Slaughter  +   1125d ago
It's times like these when I wish this generation never happened, because all it's led to is whiny SOB's complaining over and over again about petty crap, and barely anyone thinks that story and gameplay are priorities over graphics...

Take me back to 2002, please.
tommygunzII  +   1125d ago
Any room in there for one more?
psfangirl  +   1125d ago
damn im getting old lol id asked to go back to 1985!
IQUITN4G  +   1125d ago
You can get a real feel for the typical age range on places like this. Some people do genuinely believe Nintendo games are for kids and that includes Zelda as well. Pikmin is hardly a kids game for example. Most games anyway are catered towards a teen to mid twenty audience and those are most likely to think mature is something it isn't. Nintendo manages to appeal to both kids and adults, lost to those of a lower understanding for what it is to be an adult. It's very much like those that don't get Bayonetta's humor

It's fair not to like something but to declare it something it's not is because of reasons they wont be aware of. Ignorance is bliss as they say
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Neonridr  +   1124d ago
Adding to what you said about Nintendo games being for kids, shit do you know how hard the original Legend of Zelda is. It took me forever to beat that game as a kid, and when I was done I took the game cartridge and threw it across the room. That was vindication...

Most people don't really understand that a lot of these Nintendo games, while kiddish in nature, require a lot more precision and skill than most kids possess. Especially if you want to 100% the game.
Munnkyman  +   1125d ago
This was my first wii u game best 20 bucks I ever spent.
tommygunzII  +   1125d ago
"Nintendo makes their own standards."

While the other companies are worried about each other, Nintendo is riding off into the sunset with all of the money.
I love my PS3 but I never question Nintendo, they outsold the other two consoles combined with the Wii, they obviously know what they are doing. A game doesn't need to be 60fps and 1080p to be good.
mshope10  +   1125d ago
Nintendo fans who cares what other gamers think.we have a HD system with game like.cod,ac3,tekken tag 2,darksiders2,all great multiplatform 3rd party games.then game like zombiu which is amazing and only on wii u!

and we also get Nintendos great first party line up.and great download games like

so you know people are going to hate. games we never had we have we also have the great Nintendo games we always had.

so you are going to hear wait till the next system come out cause that's the only thing people can try and hate about.

but wii u will have many great games for years to come so don't even worry about fighting with them.we have great 1st,3rd party games now so we are good.
younghavok  +   1125d ago
and dont forget about the entire Wii library that is fully playable on the console as well. Sounds like a great combination if you ask me.
HalfNerdHalfAmazing  +   1125d ago
All these trolls wanna brag about how slow the CPU is but one thing these trolls don't wanna mention is how powerful the gpgpu really is.
metroidfusion2  +   1124d ago
Exactly and I will say this and only this too many people on this site assume thinhs and they think they will know who will do this and that like they actually work for the companies its so funny and I can't wait to see what the wii u has in store
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