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So Sony might stop you from playing used games, deal with it

Ridge wrote - "Believe it or not folks video game companies are just that, companies. When a company makes a product, in this case a video game and a consumer plays said video game the company should obviously be in some way compensated for the work and resources used to make said product exist. When you buy a used game the developer/publisher who did all the work to make that game get nothing for their work, all of your money goes to Gamestop or where ever you conduct your used gaming business. It is easy to see why companies would want to put an end to this. If you made something and a significant number of the people who used it didn’t pay you for it you would understandably want your cut. Anyways, I’m sure most people reading this understand that basic concept and simply feel too entitled to care. But here is why you should stop your complaining."

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wishingW3L1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

holy hell! With thinking like that there would be no freedom in this world! And sorry for saying this and people can mark me as immature or whatever but this guy is a complete idiot.

SirRidge1271d ago

Your getting awful excited.People always have the freedom to just avoid the systems that don't allow used games.

Nariko-1271d ago SpamShow
hazardman1271d ago

you make a fair point, but what happens when you no longer want the game and its just sitting there collecting dust. You cant sell it or trade it..SHIT you cant even give it away if you wanted to unless you are including your console and tag. come on now...

guitarded771271d ago

It's not going to happen... but IF it did, there better be an option to fully install the game and play off the hard drive since the disc would be useless to anyone else anyway. But like I said, it isn't going to happen.

rainslacker1271d ago

I'm all for freedom of speech. And I'm all for being reasonable for defending a company's interest, but not when those interest are in direct opposition to consumer interest.

Sony (or any other console manufacturer) is a company that makes products for the consumer, and as such their products have to keep our interests in mind. To that end, I believe it it our responsibility to make our voices heard on what we think of the things they may or may not do.

@wishing

I'm not marking you as immature, I'm giving you a well said.

The author is playing the "support the developer" card. I want to see the articles that play the "support the consumer" card, since I'm pretty sure most of us fit into that category. It's like people completely ignore all the crap we put up with that has come about in this generation because of the "support the developer", or "well, people are making it worth their while, so whatever".

TheGamerDood1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

This is how the real world works kiddies, you give them money and they give you game. Nothing in this world is free. So if I got to wait a little longer to get a game so be it.
http://i.imgur.com/mJxRK.gi...

SilentNegotiator1271d ago

Like it would stay confined to one console. As soon as one does it, publishers will demand that they all do it.

My problem isn't playing used games; it's buying an expensive game with no monetary value, having major restrictions trying to play a game with a friend on their system, etc.

NewMonday1270d ago

Maybe restricting a new game for the first month of release is reasonable, gamestope re-selling a new game just a few days after release for 55$ is the thing that stated all this

Theangrybogan1270d ago

Which is exactly why I think Sony won't do it, because people just won't buy it. I buy my games new but if I have to take my console if I want to play a game at a friends house when they own the same console, it's a massive deal breaker, and like many have stated I will just switch completely over to pc.

There are reasons people prefer console gaming, if they start taking those reasons away there'll be a massive dent in sales.

RankFTW1270d ago

Us PC owners have been dealing with this for the last 10 years, welcome to the party.

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LOGICWINS1271d ago

Yes, world freedom is entirely dependant on the ability or lack thereof to play used games on a gaming console.

Hingle_Mcringleberry1271d ago

okay but why are you making it sound like it isn't though?

Christopher1271d ago

Because saying that preventing people from selling used copies of games is akin to taking away all freedoms in the world is like me saying that without ketchup there is no food in the world and we would all starve. Ketchup is a condiment, not the real food we eat (at least I hope) and its absence doesn't mean that there isn't food to eat that actually keeps us alive.

LOGICWINS1271d ago

"Ketchup is a condiment, not the real food we eat (at least I hope)"

Yeah, my doctor tells me the same thing every 6 months. Dudes a quack IMO. I survive mainly on Fruity Pebbles and Heinz Ketchup packets...still alive despite a couple of headaches and possible internal bleeding =D

Old McGroin1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@ Logic

"Yes, world freedom is entirely dependant on the ability or lack thereof to play used games on a gaming console."

You forgot to engage your sarcasm font.

rpd1231270d ago

He said thinking like this would cause a restriction of freedom. Not that the ability to play used games on a console would end world freedom.

Christopher1270d ago (Edited 1270d ago )

@rpd: I don't see how you get what you just said from "holy hell! With thinking like that there would be no freedom in this world!" which is what the OP posted above.

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EddieNX 1271d ago

I've seen enough of this ''Sony disc blocking'' fiasco now. Move on.... They're not gunna do it especially after the reaction of the media and the public.

It's a sucidal idea. Unless they're complete idiots , it won't happen.

Please media , stop spinning this BS out of controll...

torchic1271d ago

I agree @kingofwiiu

and I'm pretty sure a guy from the upper echelons of Sony came out and said this wouldn't happen, the last time this story resurfaced last year (or back in 2011 I'm not sure). I could be wrong but I think that did happen.

let's say hypothetically that this used game tech did happen, the only way in which it would work is if the price of new games dropped to $49/€49. it would be sad to not have the ability of borrowing and lending games anymore.

@lower

if they indeed do decide to lock the game for 3-6 months then that's the only way I could see it happening.

f7897901270d ago

It's just a patent. You don't have to use it.

Ranma11271d ago

Well blocking used games for say at least until 1 month after it release may be a good idea in long run and help the developers make more money.

hazardman1271d ago

I think developers probably need a 3 to 6 month window where i believe new released games make most of their money. Im basing this opinion and not facts but to me it more than fair.

PooEgg1270d ago (Edited 1270d ago )

@Ranma1

If we give them an inch they will take mile. Any doubt about that just look at how DLC has evolved from being 'a little something on the side, that will not be missed for those who chose to pass on it' to releasing short games and making us pay for the rest of the game piece by piece by bloody piece. Look at how quality control has went from let's test this game and get it right before release to let's ignore the bugs and let the consumer test our products for us, and then if the game has still sold enough copies we can give them a patch or two to silence the masses.

Personally, I don't buy many used games, and I never sale my games, but I still like to know that the option is available.

SegataShanshiro1271d ago

The Sony fanboys of this webpage are unbelievable..."ps4 is not bc compatible, won't play used games etc." N4g ps3 fanbois :
"this article is stupid blah blah Sony number one, that doesn't mean its a bad console, just trolling, all lies blah blah blah ps3 exclusives!, ps3 still has 19 years more of life derp! I don't want a new generation !
You are all a bunch of truly sad people

darkpower1270d ago

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JsonHenry1270d ago

My way of dealing with it will be to buy the competitions consoles and never purchase ANYTHING from Sony.

Then Sony can deal with lost revenue and closing down their consoles division.

nukeitall1270d ago

I agree!

I would also support piracy/hack on that same console! Ha! That is for trying to greedly ruin the industry I love!

Don't back a dog into a corner and not expect to be bitten. Like it or not, that would be backing me into a corner.

zerocrossing1270d ago

No, you're completely right.

Developers already make a lot of money, especially with current DLC practices and the implementing of online Passes.

If devs aren't doing well then blame the publishers or the games they make not the consumers.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1270d ago (Edited 1270d ago )

@"holy hell! With thinking like that there would be no freedom in this world!"
So pc lacks freedom? I think not!

But then again pc is not under any one corporation and soon won't need to depend on windows. Console are really bound to certain dictator companies.

Guess I answered my own question.

But I am not sure if it will ruin the industry like console gamers say. It's not like used buyers support the industry anyway.

Used games statisics.
http://gamepolitics.com/201...

On top of that the piracy..

Wii Games:
1 Super Mario Galaxy 2 (1,470,000)
2 Wii Party (1,220,000)
3 Donkey Kong Country Returns (920,000)
4 Kirbys Epic Yarn (880,000)
5 Red Steel 2 (850,000)

Xbox 360 Games:
1 Dante’s Inferno (1,280,000)
2 Alan Wake (1,140,000)
3 Red Dead Redemption (1,060,000)
4 Halo Reach (990,000)
5 Call of Duty: Black Ops (930,000)

http://www.gamepolitics.com...

On pc you can drm the the game on console you can drm the whole device lol..

The best answer to this mess it to make game $39.99.

jeeves861270d ago

You could make the games $20 and some people still wouldn't buy them.

Irishguy951270d ago

I can't resell games on Steam

My freedom is broken!

f7897901270d ago

Yeah but the sales are insanely good. Nowhere else can I buy games that cheap.

You know they're a good deal when this is how the community views the sales.
http://i.imgur.com/o3lUB.pn...

lilbrat231270d ago

I wonder if game companies start blocking used games does this mean games will be cheaper? Because if it means games will be $40-$50 then block away.

solar1270d ago

Sony won't do this if they are smart. but Sony hasn't used "smarts" this gen what so ever. from "RIIIIIIDGE RACER" to claiming "4D", to the debacle of not having enough security for the PSN hack, to the horrid ps3/vita advertising....i believe Sony has gotten to full of themselves with the Playstation brand. which, is very sad

darkpower1270d ago (Edited 1270d ago )

How were the other two companies any better this gen?

Nintendo ignored hardcore gamers this gen and only did a few good things for them this time around (Metroid Prime 3 and Other M).

Microsoft's only way to beat Sony was "me too" ware and making other consoles wait for games that were done because MS has to have it too while having nothing of their own outside of achievements to call their own.

Not saying Sony has been perfect (they've been far from it) this gen, but all console makers have had an equal share of the sins this gen.

showtimefolks1270d ago

I think stopping used games is going too far but I wouldn't be surprised to see a content locked dlc voucher. Right now we have online passes imagine a $10 single player voucher if you buy it used.

I am split on this issue on one hand I want publishers and developers to make more money they rightfully deserve on other there are game I don't want anymore so I should be able to resell or trade me in.

I think dlc codes content block is the way future will go, for example buying GTA6 you can not get the whole game without buying a $10 code otherwise some single player missions will be locked.

Online asses remain and may even go to $15 per game

Development costs go up each time there is a new system so for all of you wanting new systems including myself, one way or another money is gonna come out of our pockets

Batman arkham city blocked some single player content if I am not wrong so exect thing like that to happen with single player games.

Used game market is a multi billion dollar market so publishers have every right to see how they can get more money back for their product

Also next time when you buy a newly released game at GameStop used and save $5 bucks think about it because saving $5 in the long run will mean spending more

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smashcrashbash1271d ago

You don't really think that if they do this they will be alone do you?

Imalwaysright1271d ago

Valve, Sony and Nintendo could easily start charging for online too but they didnt. There is no way to tell if Sony rivals would or wouldnt implement this feature specially because if they didnt implement this bullshit they would have a huge advantage over Sony come next gen and they know it.

OT Oh i would deal with it alright. I wouldnt buy a PS4. Im sick and tired of bending over. I still don't understand why this industry gets away with these anti-consumer practices but I shouldn't be surprised seeing how everyday i see stupid fanboys defending all the crap these companies throw at us gamers. Broken games getting released everyday, taking features, paying for online, online passes, false advertisement, DRM etc etc. Everyday i see stupid fanboys defending this crappola. No wonder why these companies treat us like shit and then they have the nerve to cry when someone buys a game second hand as if we were doing something illegal? Fuck' em. Im not giving my money to these greedy companies that try to take advantage of us at every chance they get.

smashcrashbash1271d ago

That is why i said 'You don't really think that if they do this they will be alone do you?'. You shout you won't buy a PS4 but I have a feeling you will have to be shouting that you won't buy a lot of things then. It is very stupid to think that Sony would be the only one implementing this if they pass it. People keep yelling 'I just won't buy a PS4 then' but they won't be the only people who put it into play.If the gaming industry sees this as a viable solution then you will just have to give up gaming completely then.And people shouting that developers would never go for it just remember that developers get nothing from second hand sales.So they really don't care about your penny pinching and cheap ways. The main point of a business is to make profit not to cater to cheapness. They would much prefer that you buy the game when it first comes out.That is why i constant keep saying how stupid it is to keep blowing blood vessels over this. Sony would never implement this unless the industry itself is on board with it.Yeah i am so sure a company is so blinded by greed that they would implement such restriction while no one else is/s. Think before you write people.

GribbleGrunger1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

I've seen no one defending it. Most people have been saying it isn't likely to be used. Patents are like that.

But if it does get used, what is the main reason people don't like it? You will no longer be able to sell your disc, take it round to a friends or lend it to a friend ... yes? We'd never accept that scenario and Sony know it!

Wait ... Just boot your PS3 up and count how many games you have downloaded from PSN. I've got sixteen. I can't sell them, take them to a friends house or lend them to a friend. But we'd never accept that scenario.

Reply too me and be honest about how many games you've bought that fly in the face of the logic being used here to demonize this patent.

I'm not saying it's a good idea and I welcome it, I'm pointing out that people miss what is hidden in plain sight. Complaining is empowering when done in isolation but when it's manipulated by the media, it becomes dis-empowering because you are demonstrating how easily your reactions are controlled.

Imalwaysright1270d ago

Sony and Nintendo could just as easily start charging for online like MS and benefit from it so why didnt them? You dont know what these companies are preparing for next gen and if Sony goes through with this crap they might just sit back and watch and Sony dig their own grave. BTW if you didn't noticed Nintendo released their next gen console a few months ago so that is one less company to worry about.

@ Gribblegrunger. Read this thread carefully and you'll see some morons defending this crap. As for my digital games i only buy them on Steam on sale meaning that i usually get 5 games for the same price i would pay to get just one game on the PSN. Do you know how much does FC3 cost on PSN? € 70 ( same price on retail). If i wait 2 or 3 months on steam time i could get it from € 10 to € 20. As a consumer this is advantageous to me. For how much would you sell a game that you cost you € 5?

"Complaining is empowering when done in isolation but when it's manipulated by the media, it becomes dis-empowering because you are demonstrating how easily your reactions are controlled." Lol YOU don't know me. Lets just leave it at that.

JsonHenry1270d ago

^^ I am pretty sure that steambox will be all digital downloads or installed once and tied to your account and unless you sell your account ( some people do ) then you will NOT be able to sell your games from them to someone else either.

BUT unlike Sony and the rest Valve has deals so cheap on a regular basis that you will be tempted to buy games you might not normally even be interested in just because it is so cheap so it has its upside too.

Knight_Crawler1271d ago

I have a feeling that Sony will go through with this but only implement it on 1st party exclusive PS4 games - they will probably offer some incentive like $20 off or something.

Hingle_Mcringleberry1271d ago

I intend on dealing with it by not purchasing the console. Plain and simple.

Deadpool6161271d ago

"...simply feel too entitled to care."

There goes that word again. "Entitled"
A common word used towards people with common sense.

We are all Gamers, but we are all consumers as well. You can resell books, dvds, cds, and clothes, but games are off limits? Why? It's nothing but greed, that's why. If they can spend $100 million dollars just on advertising a game, they're not hurting for money.

Megaton1271d ago

I hate IGN for arming all of these idiot bloggers with that word. They rarely use it correctly and assume it gives them a license to squash any legit criticism.

zebramocha1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

@dead I don't think those are good examples because movies are released in theaters some time has passed then can be purchased at retail or dd,clothes are made cheap and sold higher than they cost,I assume the same is true for books because you could get news papers with just as many words as a book for a couple of bucks.

@dirt I think the problem lies with games being purchased second hand when the games was launched a week ago because this wouldn't make sense for games that are out of print unless there is a cheaper digital copie when it has a price drop.

torchic1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

not sure why you're getting disagrees, you made some really good points.

and in fact, in many cases of cases most of the money is made at the box office. look at The Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises, Skyfall. all those made +$1 billion at box office alone.

there's nothing like that in the video game industry, where you're forced to pay the people who made the product to gain access to the product.

DigitalRaptor1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

Zebramocha said it pretty well, but I'll add my take on it. Ok here we go.

The games industry is a *little* different to the film industry, music industry, fashion/clothing industry. Now I'm not saying that used game sales are unacceptable, but look at the distribution and budgeting.

Films get budgets. They come out in theaters and make many millions back on admission sales alone. DVDs are the way in which publishers can make more money off a film. They've already made a lot, but they're gonna make more.

The music industry is a little different. People are buying music from many different avenues, including digital. Smaller artists suffer a lot in this industry - it's one of the toughest - but they can find ways to establish their music and make a living in a modest way if they are a true musician. Musicians aren't businessmen, and that's where the major record labels come in - they will have already made a lot of money from digital downloads, CDs and the avenues that comes with an artist such as merchandise and tours. The scope is wider, but not every record label is Sony or Warner, so used sales (I call them non-sales) hurt the labels that support musicians based on their performance.

Books - people are shifting towards e-books and digital more than ever. It's sad to see, but used book sales are not that common from what I see. There's no mechanism to stop a used book from being sold, and I suspect most people buy books new because they're simply not that expensive, nor are they near as expensive to produce when compared to games or films.

Games are often as expensive as films to produce. There's no box office for games, but the shop they are sold in, and games are much more expensive because of this. They need to be $60 for companies to at least make back from their budget, and put aside money from this budget to market this product. Plus, the games that are bought used are often very recent games which doesn't help these studios making games. That is why it's more important for people to buy games new and support developers who create things you enjoy - not all companies can afford $100 million dollar advertising. So you can't just call it based on the multi-billion publishers that are doing well for themselves.

In many cases, people feel entitled, and sure it's not illegal to sell your used goods, but buying them is also not very supportive of the people who spend countless hours creating something you enjoy or that touches you. So before you buy used goods, remember that not all developers are as lucrative as Rockstar, not all bands are as lucrative as Guns N' Roses, and not all films are as lucrative as Harry Potter.

cyguration1271d ago

Only a handful of games have had a $100 million dollar+ budget and most of that was either on licensing or marketing.

The average AAA game has a $10 - $20 million dollar budget.

Uncharted 3 had about a $25 million dollar budget...

Gamestop's total used sales came out to about half of their total retail intake at $1.1 billion in 2011. EA and Activision made more than that in their Q4 fiscal revenue.

Please explain to me how $1.1 billion is killing an industry when only the biggest publishers are complaining about used games even though they make more than the entirety of Gamestop's used game market?

Of course there's also Ebay and Amazon...but blocking out used game only kills the game community, it doesn't strengthen it.

DigitalRaptor1271d ago (Edited 1271d ago )

You're right - i didn't think about the impact on a community.

Still it's clear that developers have been vocal about the state of used sales and certain publishers have seen for themselves what happens when a game they sink money into doesn't perform well in sales, not because it's a bad game, but because certain games are worth less to different people. And that development studio suffers losses and cutbacks or is dropped to indie status or even goes bust. This is for all game studios, not just the games made by the big publishers who seemed to have made a stance.

porkChop1271d ago

I think one of the reasons that developers complain about used games is because they already make so little back on their own games.

Publishers, console manufacturers, and even the retail chain such as EB Games, they all get a bigger cut of that $60 game than the developers themselves.

I remember reading an article, I think it was on Eurogamer, that said most developers can only get up to 10% of the games profits. And if the game doesn't make profit or break even, the developer literally gets nothing at all.

So it's easy to see why they would want a cut of used games sales, or eliminate them completely. And personally, I think that the developers SHOULD get a cut of each used game sold. They've been trying to do that for years, but Gamestop won't let it happen.

But I think the real problem is these greedy publishers. Developers are the ones creating the product, without them publishers wouldn't exist, they would have nothing to sell and nothing to market. They need to start treating the creators with a lot more respect.