GameStop's stock price closed lower than $1.30(a five percent loss overall)after word this morning that Sony had applied for a patent on technology that could restrict how used games are played on its next console.
im for this i will always support developers.. i bet sony will leave it upto developers to lock the game or not
I bet we won't see this used at all as they've had similar patents for tech like this since 2000 and have never used them. This exact same paranoia surfaced before the PS3's launch.
if we see stuff like this from now on, video games as a whole will fall apart. im surprised this idea is even being rumored/confirmed most people who dont think twice are gonna be like "Oh i heard sony is taking away used games im not buying the ps4" stupid idea all together, as a gamer for over 20 years i would love to know the genius behind this idea that will end video games as we know it, probably doesn't even play games with a half-assed plan like this.
if it does happen then no console for me next gen. PSNpass is already being used and that is enough i don't see why they would restrict it further. me and my brother in law live in the same house and we exchange games once we have finished them i don't see anything wrong with that i'm not going to buy two copies for each game we play that's absurd
Worst thing is sony can neither confirm nor deny this cause by doing so they confirm the ps4
This why I support Sony in banning used games if it means killing companies like GS I'm all in!
They won't block used games, they will just sell more games digitally which is even better for them. From the article: "The company's first party software sales represent less than 10 percent of overall sales on its consoles, and it is unlikely that blocking used games would result in a lift of more than 10 percent in new game sales. That means that Sony's sales would rise only marginally if the PS4 blocked used games." So why would Sony adopt their own philosophy and alienate themselves? It would only work if game publishers did this across the board. There were also rumors when the PS3 was coming out that the bluray would lock the disc to the machine. So if you bught a game or a movie on bluray it would only play on one system. Of course that never materialized but the technology could have made it possible.
I don't get why it's a big deal it has been around a long time anyone ever bought a pc game before? They are coded
Yep totally agree with you. Companies file patents all the time that never get used.
PC games are not really coded the same way to your hardware. Some games have DRM which limits at times up to 5 installs. So that means you could upgrade or replace your PC up to 5 times. This patent doesn't really go into details about the ability to have the game install on 5 different PS4's.
I don't care about gamestop and I don't care about drm. It didn't kill pc gaming and it won't kill console gaming.
You might well see a system similar to what they have now. At the minute some games have codes for online play that can only be used once but if you buy the game used you can play offline and just purchase another online code for £5. This new system would probably lock the whole game unless you buy a new code for £5 to £10 so used games won't completely disappear. That way developers would get some money from the sale and places like GameStop can still survive.
"im for this i will always support developers" How about supporting gamers first? Remember when we could just pop our games into a friend's console and PLAY it, even online? Remember when our game purchases had real monetary value (an important principle when developers/publishers can screw you, even post-release, like removing promised maps)?' That said, it likely won't even happen anyway.
PS4 hasn't even been announced yet and the FUD articles are already starting. Gamestop's stock was already in decline prior to this patent.
used sales is a multi billion industry, companies can't restrict used sales. If they try, what do they actually think every person who buys used gonna start buying new, i doubt it.
Dear Sony: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't confirm this until GameStop is GONE! Just kidding. Sony probably won't do any of that; and if they do, they should merely have the PS4 confirm that it's a PS4 game in the console, and that's all; anything else will incur the wrath of the hackers.
LMAO... It wont work, if they dont let them play what they had and all the games they bought from shops, they will loose over 1/3 of gamers. Lets be honest, most peple buy used games cause they cant be found anymore or dont want to loose money on games that they are not sure are worth full price, or cant aford a new game, besides saving a few bucks for a use game. I have no problem with developers gaining their share, but games are overpriced, we dont run the used sale market of gaming and we should not be penalised for stuff that are legal to use by law, besides it will be a monopoly if Sony decides to get rid of a format that is here, We can use MS as an example for monopoly or att among of the many who tried and got burned.
Have you ever wondered why their overpriced? What if half of gamers decided to only buy used.. 50% buy the game and the devs get money the other 50% buy it off the first and the devs get f*#ck all! The people who will refuse to buy-in to next gen because of this won't be missed by developers as they mostly likely wouldn't have bought games new anyway! Used games will only push up prices, push devs to produce more games in a quicker time frame with less care taken (see casual IOS / Android games etc) - where there are no used sales and small quickly produced games are sold on mass at a massive profit with minimal additional costs i.e. publishers, shipping, insurance etc, this will eventually lead to more studios going casual or going bust!
I think the requirement should be for these stores reselling used games. Any video game they take must be scanned. Before they can resell it they must pay a fee to Sony for reselling used IP. For people out on the street just switching games or selling on their own, not really making a business of it, they should have no restrictions.
You know what? This comment dose make a lot of sense!! What if this is force on places like "GameStop"... "I agree with you a 100%, and this would be a smart/great move for Sony!"
TruthBTold ~ "I think the requirement should be for these stores reselling used games. Any video game they take must be scanned. Before they can resell it they must pay a fee to Sony for reselling used IP. For people out on the street just switching games or selling on their own, not really making a business of it, they should have no restrictions." This is the perfect solution for all parties and what I hope will happen for ALL companies in the industry (not just Sony per se).
The one thing a lot of people are missing is that if GameStop doesn't make money off used games, they will close stores and lose money. If they didn't push preorders so heavy these developers wouldn't get half the number sold on day 1. I worked at GS a long time, and have no love for them believe me, but taking them out of the equation will hurt new games sales a lot.
I don't see how that makes any sense at all. Those costs will end up being passed on to the customers, in one form or another, and used games may no longer represent enough savings to be worth the buy. Besides, the whole notion is just about milking more money from us! If I sell my car to someone else, the car maker does not make a penny more on that transaction! That's how it works with pretty much everything! This will only restrict the consumers' rights, and there should be laws against that (and online passes!)
in fact for every game sold used at Gamestop the developers should be given back 40% in the least. If GAMESTOP doesn't like it then how about developers threaten to never sell retail and digital copies to Gamestop anymore That'll shut them up quickly, as they'd not want to lose their revenue.
@Tales Shutting out gamestop, or any other major retailer (remember Best Buy and Amazon do used as well), the developers lose a hell of a lot of retail space for distributing their games. DD may one day make them unnecessary in their current capacity, but believe me that these retail outlets have a lot of sway over the publishers and manufacturers. Cutting them out would be a huge blow to retail sales. Although that may be a short term problem, as consumers would adapt, but I doubt the publishers are willing to suffer through the down time while those consumers are adapting. What Truth suggested is good in principal, as it returns a portion of the sale back to the developer/publisher. However that cost is passed on to the consumer. That either means that GameStop is now giving less for the trade in (sure people will blame GS for that and not the developers), or selling the game for more to the buyer. If it was something reasonable, say a couple of dollars to the original publisher, then it can be within reason to do such a thing. However, in the US, corporations are people. As such they can not be coerced into doing something that isn't required for the average Joe to do. This means that if they allow anyone to trade/sell their games to anyone, they have to allow it for those stores as well. They could however make it worth these retailers while to give back, but it still screws the Average Joe, pretty much forcing us to either pay a company to clear the protection, or to trade in with those retailers...something I'm sure they would love.
GS rips people off. I have only purchased one game from them which they say was new. They buy a game from customer A for hardly anything and turn around to resell it at around 10% less than what it would cost someone to buy it new. I'm sure they can give some of that cut to publishers as they also sell new games, accessories and consoles. They would most likely have. Hard time passing the extra cost to consumers as they would be charging at new cost, people would rather buy new. Amazon and other retailers are not in the business to sell used games, only GameStop. For me I feel the publishers and studios are the ones that deserve the credit and not GS for reselling used games. If they go out of business than people who want to buy used games would still be able to buy through eBay, Craig's List and the used games feature from places like Amazon which are all cheaper than GS.
Whether or not GS rips people off isn't the issue. Gamestop is still one of the largest seller of video games in the US, followed only by amazon. Amazon also facilitates the trade in of video games to it's 3rd party sellers. Best Buy also takes trade ins, and they are no slouch in the market. Many mom & pop or smaller chain game stores simply HAVE TO HAVE trade ins to make a profit. What you suggest is cutting all of them out of the market unless they bow to the publisher demands. These places have a lot more say in the industry than you give them credit for. No matter how you spin it, those costs will be passed onto the consumer. I believe in supporting the developer, but there is no way in hell publishers are going to give up the retail space next gen. As far as buying from all those sources you mentioned, yeah it can work to the consumers advantage, but they aren't as convenient as walking into a store, browsing it's selection, and picking up a game. Quite a bit of purchases are made on impulse, and that's a lot of money lost to remove it from the market. I love how much people hate on Gamestop because of their trade in practices, but don't ever once stop to realize that GS, or any other retailer, get's a very small cut of that $60 game. Markup is much less than every other retail market out there.
Sony won't use it at all unless MS also blocks used games sales. Otherwise it would kill PS4 sales. Neither Sony nor MS will block used games sales by themselves because it would give the other side an unbeatable advantage.
So you never bought a single used game in your whole life?? BS
Why would they go through all this trouble if they let developers decide?
what is this kind of thing is used for pc,next xbox and ps4? than will you guys quit gaming just because publishers are trying to make more money? so you rather gamestop,bestbuy and gamefly make hundreds of millions in profits? you don't have a problem with some moron walking into gamestop and getting a newly released game used and save $5? personally i think its gonna take some real man balls to block used game sales, but i do expect the online pass to jump from 10 to $15. so if there is a game you want to play online get ready to pay one way or another
i totally agree. i'm all for locking games to consoles. i love supporting developers. i have never bought a used game in my life. i want gamestop to go down in flames.
I dont like the idea of restricting but its the