Sony has filed a new patent, and it’s one that is bound to generate a lot of controversy if implemented in the PS4.
Commercial Suicide... unless they want to pull a bluff on MS and get them include it in the 720 aswell and then at the last minute turn around and say the PS4 can play second-hand games....
It is a bit confusing why they would go with something like this. It seems to me Microsoft may follow Sony if this tech becomes successful.
"It is a bit confusing why they would go with something like this." What is confusing about this? It's all about the money even for Sony! "It seems to me Microsoft may follow Sony if this tech becomes successful." I wouldn't doubt it, MS is also a company, not just Sony. What is disturbing is this is researched and thought about. I hope it isn't true, but I would most definitely avoid any console (or device) that employs such an anti-consumer scheme!
In consoles the problem isn't piracy, it is second-hand sales, publishers and developers loose money from game rentals and second-hand sales. A such technology, may attract more developers into implementing exclusives or add extra content to PS4 games, as it will help them increase their revenues.
Second-hand copy restriction + twice cheaper games = OK Second-hand copy restriction + same price games = no-no
I would buy ps4 100%. but if I could not play games my friends have, I will consider not to buy ps4... I think this would be bad for me and for sony... I cant afford to buy new games all the time.. I am a gamer damn it......
This tech won't become successful because consumers will give it the finger. They are already giving the finger to Vita for memory cards. These used game restrictions are like DLC. Companies just push more and more to see what they can get away with. Eventually taking it to extremes (see Capcom).
The only way this will work is if they all got together and made it universal. People will just support the PC more if this comes to consoles. The Wii U apparently has its Gamepad locked to the hardware so that you cannot have an imported Gamepad. We already see region locked games so this could be the next step. Going to a service enabled platform is going to hinder used sales as it is. Once people get locked into things like Steam it will all be digital content that is locked to your account. That's the direction we are already headed. So anyone who has bought games like Journey are already adapting to knowing that content cannot be traded or sold (unless you bought the standalone product from the store that is now available).
"It seems to me Microsoft may follow Sony if this tech becomes successful." Other way around. Sony is following microsoft. THe original microsoft ending used games was back in JAN 25, 2012 . http://kotaku.com/5879202/s... Funny how when microsoft is rumored to do this no one bats an eye, but when its out of the sony camp everyone gets the pitch forks and torches. Its like when we talk about proprietary setups. Sony gets slammed for it, but, its microsoft with a proprietary hard drive, charging cable, online pay wall, 2.5 audio jack instead of a standard 3.5 jack for controllers etc.
Oh please Raoh, anyone who spends any time here knows Microsoft is not the most liked company. The Xbox 360 did get slammed for RRoD, they did get slammed for not having a hard drive in every system, they still get slammed for Live fees, they did get slammed for not including wi-fi and how expensive the adapter was, they did get slammed about hard drive prices much like the memory cards now for Vita, they do get slammed for lack of exclusives. Look around, there are tons of negative comments thrown their way too. http://n4g.com/news/928071/... Look at everyone supporting Microsoft. No one batted an eye over it either. Those 91 comments are just a mirage.
Why even mention MS? Is that what you're hoping for? How pathetic! Anyway, its usually Sony who has been following MS trends not the other way around, so Sony may be alone in this escapade.
"Funny how when microsoft is rumored to do this no one bats an eye, but when its out of the sony camp everyone gets the pitch forks and torches." The difference is the MS claim is nothing more than a rumor but in Sony's case they themselves actually filed a patent for it.
@ Raoh ""It seems to me Microsoft may follow Sony if this tech becomes successful." Other way around. Sony is following microsoft. THe original microsoft ending used games was back in JAN 25, 2012 . http://kotaku.com/5879202/s... Funny how when microsoft is rumored to do this no one bats an eye, but when its out of the sony camp everyone gets the pitch forks and torches." The Microsoft rumour is exactly that, a rumour. From nearly a year ago. So no, Sony isn't following Microsoft, Sony has actually filed a patent, Microsoft have not.
I'm fine with this actually since I rarely buy used nor do i borrow games... Besides publishers makes us pay for the online part anyway without lowering down the price even after their games have been in the bargain bins. Maybe this is the final nail to Gamestop's coffin? They say new but they opened my damn game all ready!
Once again people act like every patent is going into effect tomorrow (or even at all). There's a small team at Sony that files patents all day, people. They, like the other of the big three, patent a million things that never get used. That said, I would never buy a console that did that. I want to be able to freely use my games on anyone's system, sell them when/if I finish them and they have little replay value, etc.
I have no doubts that MS will implement the same model for Live and I have no problem with it because I believe that developers/publishers should get paid for their work.
Just making my choice easier, going Wii-U +/or XBX3 if PS4 don't allow used games
To Raoh: Sony originally wanted this on ps3 but clearly decided against it in the end. Look it up
"People will just support the PC more if this comes to consoles" Pc has already this feature among other drm...why would ppl move to pc for that?.
Not going to happen, Sony just filed the patent so they can use it if the wanted to, but they won't because it's a comercial suicide, they're not stupid.
why would this become successful. people would just not buy it if they cant get it used. or they wouldnt upgrade.
As big a fan as I am of Sony and their Playstation brand, if they implement some sort of tech that doesnt allow me to play 2nd-hand games, I wont be purchasing it. Nowadays when the economy is so horrible and people are looking to cut corners and spend less money, they should be looking for ways to ACCOMMODATE their customers, and not screw them over to make an extra buck. Business is business, but greed is still greed. Shame on Sony if they utilize this on the PS4. And shame on anyone else if they follow lead.
i hope this isnt true, if it is im not buying a ps4.
It won't become successful. They should rename the headline to "Sony files patent that suppresses my desire to buy their next console."
They wont do it. Unless they can get Microsoft and Nintendo to use the feature I really doubt it will be implemented. I can see this patent being one of those patents that is patented to stop others using it without paying royalties.
sony patent alot of things and most of them don't see the day light
Yeah, I think they are simply patenting this to increase their portfolio. No way they are going to use it on the PS4.
@ezz, completely agree.
I'm hoping that Sony has done this to protect us gamers from the tyranny of Microsoft, and they've blocked out the possibility of this happening. But we all know that's not going to make them any money.
@HammadTheOne Are you being serious right now? You think Sony gives a fuck about you? Save us from Microsoft? HAHAHAHA you are either the worst troll ever, or the most brain washed fanboy on this site! Best quote for industry ever. "Leap ignorantly to the defense of wealthy game companys, who don't know or care about you!"
It was sarcasm...actually I don't know what it was. But I wasn't being serious.
Considering they had similar functionality built into the PS3 and never used it, it's hard to see that they would implement it now. They may leave it up to the publishers like they did with region locking, or use it for online passes. I think what they'll find though is if they do make this standard across the board, game sales will go down, and many people may turn their backs on the hardware. Looking at the past, or even on this thread, people do not like this. To date it's only been a rumor, or a patent which lays out the groundwork, and it always receives negative reception. If they leave it up to the publishers, then I'm sure they'll be looking at how those publishers sales are affected by their decision to include it. I do think people are a bit too quick to jump the gun on these rumors or patents, but I do believe they should voice their concern over it now, instead of after it's implemented. However, they shouldn't use it as console war stuff, and should act like adults saying how bad it would be.
Never have bought a second hand game and I honestly think this is good. People need to stop being cheap and pay the regular price like regular people do. Don't have enough $ then stick with ios and android platform or find a new hobby. People need to understand that companies suffer from it in the long run because studios don't get any of that $. If you like the game/studio/publisher then support it.
you also realize that doesnt change anything right? buying second hand or your ios suggesstion is the same thing its a 60 dollars they wont see from particular consumers in the first place now i dont like used games for a very different reason but dont mind it all for you see what i do is wait over time for a game to go cheap or on sale these days i decided to wait on alot of games unless its a must have title for me or exceptions otherwise i will wait till they hit the 30 or 20 dollar price tag brand new having said they still get nothing with my method im betting since im paying less for it and i doubt most are just going to stick to a few games and thats it, not how the market works in my opinion
Used games don't hurt new game sales, they help, this has been said again and again and hasn't become any less of a fact. Of course a publisher would like to see the end of second hand game sales, they want maximum profit, they don't give a damn about anything beyond that no matter who they are, Sony, MS or Nintendo. Lucky for you who are in a position to always be able to buy new games but that sadly isn't the case for everyone, I'll buy a game new if it's from a studio I like or its an interesting original IP, but I certainly wont lose any sleep over buying second hand.
@zerocrossing "Used games don't hurt new game sales, they help, this has been said again and again and hasn't become any less of a fact." They really do not help at all and that is a myth. Publishers do not look at total games sales (with used) because A it is impossible to get accurate used game sales and is only really done through trophy/achievements achieved. B they still do not get any money from it. Like you said publishers want to maximise profit but when a lot of their profit is taken by used games they are not going to develop a sequel. People say they buy the first game used and the second new because they like it is just rubbish. They buy used the first time they are equally as likely to buy it used the second time. So publishers just do not take the risk. Used games keep/help retailers happy because they get a large profit margin. Not the developers or publishers.
@iamnsuperman Without used games many game retailers would be forced to close, it's been a long standing discussion in the UK with large retailers such as gamestation & CEX used as prime examples of why second games are a good thing. Ive been buying second hand and new games as I see fit for 20+ years (like many others Im sure) and last I checked the games industry is doing pretty damn well. As a consumer you're on the wrong side of the fence, publishers are pushing to have second hand games removed and make digital media distribution the norm, none of this helps consumers in the long run.
And you never ever rent a game from or to your friends? Music or movies also? Hmm... Seems legit if you don't have friends :-)
Don't blame consumers. Blame the stupid industry that is responsible for devs and publishers losing money on used-game sales. If the existence of used games is harming the industry, then something needs to be done about the industry itself. Suppressing used game sales isn't going to do anything to help sales, except turn off people who don't buy games new anyway. (There should also be a crackdown on things like game stores opening new game packaging so that they can sell their games second-hand and receive 100% of the profit.)
Used games neither help nor hinder publisher profit. Retailers buy games new from the publisher, meaning said publisher already got their money. Used games help the retail stores get money, but they do not cost the publisher any money. There have been no concrete facts to prove otherwise. Even the supposed cost of servers is inaccurate as there isn't a new spot being taken, it's the same spot with a new person in it. Used games are not a detriment to anyone. Even if you were to claim that used games prevent the orders of new copies from the retailers, the alleged cost of such a miniscule problem is negligible. The idea that publishers aren't making money because of used games is ridiculous. Used games were at one point new.
"People need to stop being cheap and pay the regular price like regular people do. Don't have enough $ then stick with ios and android platform or find a new hobby." So either your like 12 years old and your parents buy all your games, or your really wealthy. Wake up dude. Not everyone can afford to buy games brand new at full retail price. I would also venture to say that you are completely incorrect when you say "most normal people buy games at full price". Also, since I'm not wealthy, I'm supposed to "find a new hobby"? pshhh.. Your comment shows that you are either very young and have no concept of the real world economy and what it means to be a gamer with a full time job, a morgage, and bills, or your wealthy fat cat who lives in a mansion in The Hamptons or something.
I am amazed at how many people are stupid enough to think it is a good thing for someone to take away their rights. If you buy it, you own it, period. Once I buy the game they can't tell me who to sell it to or who not to sell it to any more than I can tell them what to do with the computer they used to make the game. And the whole world works this way, these people alone think that they should be different. Zerocrossing is right, used games help more than the hurt. you can see that with a simple math excercise. Say that I only have $120. If I like 3 games well enough to buy them new, the entry point is $60 per game or $180, so I buy two of the games and I have $0 left, and there is still 1 game that I want. If Zero likes one of the games that I bought and but only has $30, he can't enter the new game market because it takes $60 per person. Say that Iamsuperman is in the same situation; he likes the other game that I bought but only has $30, so he can't enter the new games market either because it takes $60. So I sell one of my used games to Zero for $30 and sell the other game to Iamsuperman for $30. Now they each have the games that they want and I have $60 which I promptly go spend on the 3rd game that I wanted all along but could not afford. Used games allow people with less money to combine those funds and spend them in a marketplace that they otherwise could not afford to spend money in. In the example above the game makers got $180 whereas they only would have gotten $120 if there was no used game market. It is frankly stupid of the game developers to attempt to kill the used games market. What the developers should be doing is trying to enter the used game market as re-sellers. For instance they could offer to buy back their games themselves for a specified amount and put a floor under the buy-back price. Or for a different example a developer like Bethesda say "if you send us your copy of Oblivion and your original receipt we will sell you Skyrim for $30 at release day." That would by-pass the brick and mortar channel and keep some games out of the market at the same time...it would also help them retain loyal customers However, I suspect that what we would find is that if they tried such things that they would stop because it would hurt the overall industry and the truth is that the way it is done now is the most efficient way of doing it.
@dboyc310 Companys suffer from used yet you want people to leave console gameing completely? We are taling about the ability to buy and sell used games not Piracy. What do you think happens when most people trade in games? They go buy MORE games with it. @Zerocrossing http://voices.yahoo.com/thq... You are right. Not to mention the back lash from all the gamers if the PS4 would actually do this. @iamnsuperman WRONG! Do more research. @Pozzle "(There should also be a crackdown on things like game stores opening new game packaging so that they can sell their games second-hand and receive 100% of the profit.) " WHAT??? No one does this... thats illegal! @FunkMacNasty Well said good sir! Please also remeber this not only would kill off used games this would also kill the collectors market down the road. Think of all those people that like to collect games and play them down the road. Well once a game is out of print then its done. You would have a very hard time finding them. If Sony does this and no one else does you can kiss Sony, or at least Playstation good bye. Period. Game over man.
Never have bought a car used before and I honestly think this is good. People need to stop being cheap and pay regular price like regular people do. Don't have enough $ then stick to bicycles and public transportation or find a new means of transportation. People need to understand that companies suffer from it in the long run because car companies don't get any of that $. If you like cars then support their creators. Sounds ridiculous, right!?
I agree and I am not sure why people feel so entitled to re-sell a product they purchased that was created by hard working people. Its very unfair to the devs who work hard on these games. I want to see this industry thrive and if this helps then so be it
@dboyc Second hand video game sales have been around since the dawn of the video game industry and second hand sales have never been mentioned to be a problem until this current console generation. Do wonder why that is? I will tell you: it is because of greed plain and simple. It is obvious that one of the main reasons why people buy used games is because it is cheaper than new games. And common sense on the most basic level dictates that if a company wants to increase revenue & sales they need to lower their msrp for each new game for the consumer to be more able to afford it. Yet you don't ever see the big companies lower their prices for their games outright when they get released thus you won't see consumers take bigger risks in buying games especially since most of the world is in an economic recession and people are more careful than ever when spending their money on anything. All I see & hear are companies dancing around the subject of used game sales by giving their typical line of bs as in "second hand sales hurts businesses" and they do not go beyond that in admitting the obvious reason why people buy second hand sales which is the the cost of new games are too high. Instead of doing something about it that benefits both the consumer & business by lowering their msrp on new games to around $40 they rather almost gaurentee an eventual tremendous loss of revenue & sales by alienating their customers by putting draconian restrictions on consumer rights. With all of the fickle dlc bs this console generation & other tactics that are used by companies to nickle & dime the consumer + the economic recession that is effecting everyone it is no wonder people are not running out to buy the latest game at the full msrp. I own multiple different consoles & acessories + 100's & 100's of games(+ over 100 digital games also) in which I buy more new games than used games, and if used games get surpressed in any way, shape, or form I gaurentee you that I wont be investing any of my money in any gaming products that suppress or restrict used games in any way. I understand that businesses have to make money, but the escalating greed at the epidemic level that has been displayed this console generation absolutley disgusts me. If used games were really a big problem like these companies make it out to be they would have all been out of business a long time ago instead of pissing & moaning about a nonsense minor issue at best like they are now. If people want a draconian restrictive game industry be prepared for sky high prices to stay high for a long time like the online gaming services that the big three already provide, but it will be much worse than ever experienced(think much worse than the video game prices in austrailia) once the major companies get the ability to completely dictate prices for anything gaming related. I am not going to even get into consumer ownership rights if companies have total control. People that support the stripping of the rights of other people in general because they think it is right according to them should be subject to what they preach since that is what they support.
I buy certain games new thru pre ordering or If I play a game that I like I dont mind buying new. That being said I know that when Im done with game I know I can sell on CL or just trade in for credit or what not. They are taking that away from us.
There is absolutely no rational way to explain how this is or will be a "good thing". You see, the quality of games will not rise from this choice, so I fail to see why they deserve more money for the same (or lower) quality games in the long run. Companies should be FIGHTING to make sure people justify buying the game new on day 1. If your game is good enough, then people will pick it up without even questioning it. Like when Borderlands 2 was announced, I preordered it without question and got it on release. I did the same for the season pass, which I won't be doing for Borderlands 3, since I feel like they screwed me. See how this works? Also too many people look at it as a 1 sided issue, but it's in fact 2 sided. Yes some people don't buy or support rentals / used games, but do you keep all of your games? Since I know I always have the option to sell my games, I can always make some money back on a "bad game". There is a huge difference between risking say $20 dollars on a bad game (For instance Declassified has a MSRP for $50 and traded into Gamestop for $30, so only $20 dollars is really at risk) and risking $40 - $60. Needless to say, this choice (if implemented) will result in people buying a LOT less (thus offsetting the loss of used game sales) and less people taking chances. A core element of plus / used game sales is to turn someone onto a series, which they might be a supporter of. If you remove that, remove the ability to get a cheap used game and give us no resale value... everything will fall apart and whatever implements it will fail.
????? why is Sony egar to kill off ps3 games (second-hand) as brannflake said that would be SUICIDE. Sony must have some dope-out ps4 games to replace ps2,ps3 games. P.S. hope ps4 dont become DIGITAL MEDIA only console that would kill off any hope.
"commercial Suicide" lol, people are so dramatic. I really find it hard to believe that whether or not a console can play used games carries more weight then exclusives, price/hardware differences and their online services. Also this feature isn't going to be advertised on the box and I'm sure the vast majority of the 220 million owners of 7th gen systems aren't on sites like this and will be oblivious to this when they make their next gen purchase. Not only that but I'm sure used sales for popular titles (COD/ AC3) represent a tiny, tiny minority of their overall sales and I'd say thats reflective of the importance of used sales amongst mass markets. Not only that but in UK at least, 2nd hand prices are barely cheaper than brand new ones as 90% of title are sold at retail for 80% of the RRP and that price sharply drops and with a lot titles now implementing Online Passes, the incentive to buy 2nd hand titles has already been diminished a ton. Hopefully Next gen sony and microsoft manage to build a steam like environment where downloadable titles are a much cheaper, this may console some of the guys feeling butt hurt.
Commercial suicide may be a bit extreme. Your right that most people aren't informed, but an action like this would eventually result in consumer backlash. To date, no form of physical entertainment media (Movies, Music, Games), unilaterally restricts second hand sales, trading, or sharing. At most there are restrictions (DRM, on-line passes, etc). But look at the long term effects it could have. There are a lot of people, many uninformed, that trade in their games to finance their next game purchase, sometimes new game purchases. Almost without fail, I have gone into gamestop on release days and seen people trading in games to finance their next game purchase, and of a new game. Some, maybe a lot, would now not purchase those new games, and would wait for the price to come down, resulting in lower sales for publishers. As time goes by, people begin to see less value in the games they are buying, knowing that their initial investment will never be able to be recouped in any form. This gives a negative view of the hardware itself, and they start telling others, or the lack of consumer rights gets into the mainstream media, and finally a real debate happens on what is best for the consumer. Also at retail...which system do you think a retailer would push more? One where they can profit off second hand sales, or one where they only sell the new and that's it. If one system were to go that route, then expect it to receive very little floor space at the retailer. At every Gamestop local to me, the used section takes up about twice as much space as the new for every system. One system not having used makes it look like there are no games for it, thus lowering the perceived value of the hardware. As far as exclusives. I think your right. But how many exclusives aren't picked up day one, and how long do publishers continue to release the same product. I'd be lucky to find a copy of Uncharted: Drakes Fortune now outside of the dual pack, and most games don't get re-released into special packs. It's even worse for some genres...like JRPG, which generally are only sold new for about a year, and then the price inflates. People who like those genres, are now either required to buy used, or pay over-inflated prices for new, and under this scenario would be even more inflated since it's the only playable version.
really because word of mouth seems to work for most products when people dont know. like when this news got out it was the topic in the several COD BO2 lobbies I was in.. and UK is not only ones selling expensive used games. I live Boston and a used game recently released @ gamestop is $55\$50 with Edge Rewards card.. either way thats not the point. For me its companies trying to tell me what to do with my stuff. pretty soon you wont be able sell or trade yor car. or i could but i have to give you my hand cause the keys only work with my gene code....im still buying ps4/xbox3..im just saying.
@rainslacker I didn't consider the effect at retail, thats a really good point for any shops who do make most of their money from 2nd hand sales. I do however think that any backlash will be mainly superficial, just like people complaining about online passes. Having said that I'm struggling to see what Sony or MS would gain, its seems more the agender of the 3rd party publishers. So regardless of the size of the backlash, its probably not worth them risking unless the activision's and EA's intend to reimburse them in some form In regards to picking up games late, I think digital distribution will solve that problem. We already see it in steam with incredible value deals being offered, and older games being found for mere penny's. I'd like to think this is the direction both Sony and Microsoft will be going in with their online stores.
DD will render this whole discussion moot. However DD is still quite a ways off for large scale worldwide implementation. Funny thing about DD though is that there is even less ownership than the currently discussed scenario of 2nd hand has. Every game purchased has a saying that you are only buying the rights to play the game, and at any time that right can be taken away from you. Every PSN download has this text, it exists for Steam, and I'm sure it's there for XBL as well. There are already a couple games removed from the PSN store, and I am unable to get the R-Type PS1 game that I bought 5 years ago on PSN. Apple takes down content from time to time as well, and there is no recourse to get your money back from those purchases because of the carefully worded buyers agreement. If, god forbid, Sony were to leave the gaming market or go out of business, there would be a lot of people without access to their content. It's an extreme case, but one that isn't outside the realm of possibility. Basically DD is a service while physical is an actual commodity. As a commodity we have ownership of what we buy. What we're discussing would change the retail environment into a service provider, which to me is just removing choice from the marketplace, which only hurts the consumer.
If Microsoft and Sony use this... then I'll forget their console exists and buy a WiiU.
Or steam box, even a ouya is a better choice then locked ps4. Good luck with that Sony.
WiiU is the best console hands down i'm loving it. Best Online/reception MiiVerse Blazing fast browser Nextgen hardware/Muticore cpu/E6760 GPGPU Video chat NNID's no friend codes Off TV Play 2 gamepad support NFC tech HD Multi-media Amazing games in development Dual rumble on gamepad is awesome 5.1 surround Gamepad sound is top notch there isn't anything to not like.
Sounds more so like a revamped CD-Key system to me with DRM to assist. Most likely a way to battle pirates and give developers more control over their game content. Just like the multiplayer online pass that they sell now. Don't see much of a difference really here.
Your right. However with consoles being locked to begin with there are no cracks to download. This is DRM in its perfect form.
If they implement this too early then it would be a disaster for the company. PS consoles have legs and one of the reasons is the second hand market. But ... if they can get Gaikai up and running and the price of the service is reasonable, perhaps that would offer the FULL PS library for a fraction of what you'd pay for them all second hand; a little like PS+ (or even part of PS+).
Sony may have just blown off its own foot if this is implemented in PS4. With Valve entering the market anyone that has read about or heard about the steambox has just made their decision.
most definitely commercial suicide. Consumers won't understand why this would happen and the word will spread quickly. Unless its an across the industry move it would be utterly stupid to do such a thing. If they really want to stop second hand sales, then move to digital only.
You are so right!
If doing this keeps companies from closing down like the many who closed down this year and year before because people don't want to buy games new then so be it. I just freaking hate how so many people complain about this. They act like Game Stop makes the games. People developers needs to get paid. It cost money to make these games and the reason why some developers turn to mobile games because its a cheaper risk with potential bigger outcome where as making a game and selling it for $60 and expecting it to be successful is tough. especially when some people by new then trade in used just so some potential person who don't have the game go's and buy the game used, developers miss out. So when a developer game is being sold used, developers lose. I understand both sides of the coin. People like me who has two PS3's. How will Sony fix the ability to play one game on both systems? If they can do that, then fuck used game sales.
"Commercial Suicide... " Idk I think people would stop complaining after a year and move on if MS and Sony did this. Remember when people raged about this? “We have not seen a lot of consumer resistance at the higher price points and we expect that all of our next-generation products will be launched at $60 price points.” Bobby Kotick http://www.ps3blog.net/2006... And now most shut up about it. On disk dlc Commercial Suicide? nope they sell millions. Online pass Commercial Suicide? nope. The real used game killer is gaikai but not the whole world is not ready for the cloud. I think new games should just be $40 they would sell more copies anyway. I have a friend who play uncharted 1 - 3 and loves all of them and is a ND fan! But naughty dog never got a red cent from him. Why would sony care for this person again? There has to be two sides to the argument. If they both stop used games what will you do? Stop playing games? You would have no choice actually. Can everyone afford games? no.. Can sony and MS make money from used games? no.. They only want to new game buyers in the first place. From a logical perspective why should they keep gamestop in business? Unless no one will buy a console at all? People would still buy by the millions. Console gamers as far as I can tell are used to conformity. They can take a good kick in the balls, had over money and wait for a patch. The whole industry should just bring new games to $40 that could kill two bird with one stone. imo.
Wow. Déjà vu. Back in 2006 before the PS3 released there was a similar patent filed for a system that would certify disks with a particular console so only that console could ever play that disk which would make second hand game sales, game rentals or even lending disks to friends impossible. People lost their minds assuming it was meant for the PS3. It never saw the light of day. And here we are again. It's fun to speculate and talk about new tech patents, or rage when they do something we don't want, but how many of these patents are ever used. MS patented software that would censor live audio streams, yet we never saw that in XBL. MS patented a game system with a projector that projects images all around you. Sony patented eye tracking contact lens. Do you honestly think any of this tech is going to show up in the next gen platforms? http://articles.latimes.com...
You're a pretty smart man, darkrider66 and from the posts I've read of yours (and there have been plenty) I still can't for the life of me understand why you have 1 bubble. It's a damn shame that intelligent voices get buried under all the nonsense on here.
Actually it is a smart move. Almost all the big developers are complaining and angry about second hand sales, they are losing money. If Sony is the one that does it, many companies will side with them, and make it more exclusive to them. Why? They know they will make more money because people can't second hand buy their product. With so many devs trying to figure out how to stop second hand sales, they would applaud and support Sony for this if it is the case. And I'm sure if MS sees that, they will do the same as well.