PSN, slow patches, and mandatory installs. All of these seriously get in the way of PS3's potential - and that's putting it gently.
IMO PSN on the PS3 may not be the best, but it is damn right amazing. Yes there are mandatory installs and at times patches, but these usually make the games better as they decrease loading times in game and they make the game run smoother. While I do agree with the writer that slow downloads are a pain, just do something else while it is downloading or just download it at night when sleeping. PS+ is really awesome, free games and amazing deals, but the thing is that while this may be subscription based, it is not as important as playing online for free, which MS make you pay for. It may have its small faults, but in the big picture is is a really fantastic system.
the downloads and installs are sometimes frustratingly long. if u don't think that, your blind.
The PSN now downloads as fast as Steam. It's even faster than the 360. I've been doing speed tests since the PS3 came out. It's SO much faster now. Go try it.
I said the same thing until last month when I did a test connection on my PS3 and realized that my Internet speed was garbage. Ended up switching to Time Warner's 30MB download/5 upload service. It used to take me nearly a day to DL one full game, now I can do it in an hour TOPS. The issue my friend is your Internet service.
i have 4mb connection those updates and download don't take more than 1 or 2 minutes and if i download a big game from psn+ i took me about an hour or 2 max so i don't know WTF are you talking about ?!! you connection must suck it's on you
Or maybe you're just patient. When I was raised, patience was a virtue. For the people commenting over me: game patches are provided by game publishers, not Sony and downloaded from their servers (unless it's a Sony game, of course).
But that's the fault of your internet speed not Sony! People with fast internet download them in minutes!!
That's actually not true. I work in game development and patches are on Sony's servers. We do not host them. They're going through similiar certification process as games and we're paying for it.
I don't know how long it takes me to download stuff. I set them all to download overnight and they're there when I get up in the morning, installed and ready to go.
Only 4mb? That's slow. Your at getting like 200-300kbps or less download speed. I have 20mbps connection and i download games from Steam at 2.5mbps. My PSN downloads are the same. 15gb took about 2 hours.
In the 5 years that I've had my ps3 I don't think I've ever had to wait over 45 minutes for a PSN download. I have no idea how anyone could think that that is long for a sometimes 5-10gig sized game... Albeit I have around 35mbps.. None the less with a connection at around 10mbps it'd still be acceptable to wait a couple of hours. You just need to upgrade from 24kb broseph.
PS+ is the same business model as buying a membership at Sam's Club. They lock you in; you're forced to use their proprietary system and if you don't, you wasted your money. You could say the same about Live. That being said, I like Sam's Club and PS3 exclusives. PS+ discounts are for either old games, Sony games(that I've already bought,) or crappy games. I prefer neither Live or PS+.
I think you are forgetting PS Plus is optional so I fail to see the point you make when you say that "they lock you in". You can unsubscribe whenever you want.
The one thing I don't make perfectly clear and someone has to find it. "Lock" meant lure in and become obsessed with. Reply to below(no bubbles left.) I'm talking from a marketing perspective. Screw the consumer for just 5 seconds. Notice how I said business model in the first sentence.
If you become obsessed with it, does it not mean that you enjoy what it offers? It's your money and you aren't forced to pay for PS Plus but if you see it's a good service then there shouldn't be a problem with being "locked" into it.
how do they lock you in? I can stop paying for ps+ any time I want. as for only crappy games. Uh bioshock 2 Infamous 2, uncharted golden abyss, gravity rush, and gotham city imposters just to name a few games I have gotten for free with my subscription. Just right there is 300 USD worth of games I've played for just 50 usd a year subscription. And they discount all kinds of games all the time new and old for plus subscribers. and for that matter you site sams club as an example. How are you "locked in" to shopping there? How are you using some proprietary system shopping for bulk food items? Do they have their own monopoly money for sams club or something?
PS Plus doesn't give you free games. You pay for the RIGHT to play rented games that you don't own for the duration of your subscription period. It's a damn good value, but it ain't free. Nothing is FREE in life. There's always a cost, monetary or otherwise.
Four disagrees already? Facts are like leprosy around here lol.
Is there a word for "at no additional cost?" As long as you are subscribed to PS+ you get games at no additional cost. How's that? Or is there nothing in life that comes in at no additional cost? I mean, no duh it isn't absolutely free. I don't get why people insist on stating the obvious. I really wonder if you guys constantly point out how the second item in "buy one get one free" deals isn't really free. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
"As long as you subscribed to PS+ you get games at no additional cost." But there was an initial cost. Because I paid that initial cost, I'm a Plus member for a year. I WILL be paying the additional cost when I renew my sub in a year. "I mean, no duh it isn't absolutely free. I don't get why people insist on stating the obvious." And I don't get why people insist on stating the erroneous. The games aren't "free". Why does saying that bother people?
This argument is so played out. It's not quite this simple, but let's say you buy Plus for $50, and get ten games valued at $100 total(an average of $10 a game). That's $50 worth of games you DIDN'T pay for. Next year, you again pay $50 for Plus, and again get ten games that would normally cost $100. You've now spent $100 for $200 worth of games. And so on, and so on. Ten years of consecutive Plus-subscribed has cost you $500 and netted you $1000 in games. Simple math says half of what you got, you didn't pay for. In other words: FREE. And that's with nice, easy numbers to use. In reality, you get more than ten games, and the value is far above $100 for them. And, as usual, that's excluding any and all other services that are included when you pay for Plus. Including these things further cuts down the average cost of each game. When people talk about the games on Plus being free, we all know they don't mean you don't pay a thing for them. Just... I mean, it's such common sense. Nobody complains when there's a sale that says "Buy 1, Get 1 Free." They understand that you have to PAY SOMETHING in order to pay nothing for the other thing. Come on, man...
How about Free-to-play games on Steam? the only charge is to give a shit about free to play games isn't it?
@Hicken With that reasoning almost anything on discount can be considered free lol. If on Christmas holidays i bought a suit that normally costs 1000usd for 500usd since it was on discount? would i consider the suit free? Of course not. I can consider it at a discounted rate but not free. @outside_ofthe_box Funny to what level some of you will go just to label the games free rofl. You need to pay the 50usd to get those games. If you dont you wont get em. Let us know when u can get those games without paying for the subscription.
lol You are seriously going to debate this? ***"But there was an initial cost. Because I paid that initial cost, I'm a Plus member for a year. I WILL be paying the additional cost when I renew my sub in a year."*** The initial cost was for the *subscription* not the games... You are paying an additional cost to maintain the *subscription* not the games... ***"The games aren't "free". Why does saying that bother people?"*** Because one, it isn't incorrect to say it's free... You aren't paying for the games itself. Therefore the games are free. Businesses and the like have been doing this for YEARS. Two, as I said earlier we all know it isn't purely free if you really want to get to the technicality of it. You are just stating the obvious meaning we ALREADY KNOW. You are just reiterating what we know and yes it can be a bother to some people. Not everyone is the same. -- Edit -- @reynod More like funny to what level some of you will go to label something as not free. ***"You need to pay the 50usd to get those games. If you dont you wont get em. Let us know when u can get those games without paying for the subscription."*** PS+ is a premium service. The fr-- err(I dare not say free...) I mean getting games at no additional cost are incentives to become a member and stay one.
Hicken, your not factoring in the MAIN reason why PS Plus is so cheap. Plus members don't choose what games they get. The value of what I get for "free" drops considerably when you factor in that many of the games that are offered are dead weight, as in games that people wouldn't even pay $5 to have such as Chronovolt/Rochard etc. You aren't GUARANTEED the full value of every game offered because not every game offered will interest you. "The initial cost was for the *subscription* not the games." Whaaa???
I've come to the conclusion that only fanboys rate the comments. Edit: 3 votes already. Need I say more? If you say anything that is Informative, Insightful, Interesting, or Funny you should check out Slashdot game articles because N4G is neither of these.
"Nothing is FREE in life"...Except that I'm not being charged to play with my friends on PSN. You're also talking about a technicality, which (in a way) you're correct. But regardless you don't receive this kind of deal with XBOX LIVE which some consider superior. You can try to knock PS plus all you want but the fact remains is you simply get a greater value as opposed to LIVE. Even if you don't choose to subscribe, you're still able to enjoy PSN. You're not treated like a second class citizen like you are with XBOX LIVE SILVER. I'm both a PS plus member and LIVE subscriber.
Damn Logic, do you have any other life than coming in to every single PS thread and doing your level best to find something negative, some detraction about Sony? In a remark above, you acted amazed that you had four disagrees already. Don't you understand people do not read your comments? They aren't debating you? They're just tired of the constant attacks. Personally I think you know very well why you had those disagrees and they fake wounded attitude makes you entire routine even more loathsome. You are worse than the Sony doom and gloom bits because even in the positive articles you are right there with the "let's find the downside". It's tiresome and it's played itself out. I really really wouldn't want to be a person with such a sole reason for existence. No one here, no one believes you are an objective gamer. Even you name is dripping with irony. I was hoping in the new year you would, like so many other trolls just move on with your life. But that apparently isn't going to be the case. Nobody in their right mind thinks for a second you have a PS3 nor have anything for the PS3 except contempt. It's obvious you are a 360 supporter. There is nothing wrong with that. But did you ever consider spending as much time praising it as you do attacking Sony? Oh wait, that's one of your other accounts.
@reynod, if you paid a dollar for a scratchy and won $1000 from it, do you consider the $999 to be free? It's like a glass half-full thing i guess, i see it as being $999 that i didn't have before but all you see is the initial value you spent.
I got a Playstation 3. I don't have any free games because I won't PAY MONEY for playstion +. If you think them free you're deluded. It's as free as Netflix... or a magazine subscription :/ (a slight lie on my part, I do have 2 free games compliments of my details being lost by Sony).
Does anyone of you consider Netflix as providing free content (outside of the trial periode)? If not, then why would PS+ offer free games? I play online on XBL for free, after I paid MS! @Hicken: It says Buy 1, Get 1 Free, it is literally that. You get to OWN that game. Does PS+ do that? Do I get to play those games after PS+ "subscription" end? @Outside_ofthe_Box: "The initial cost was for the *subscription* not the games... You are paying an additional cost to maintain the *subscription* not the games." I pay the initial and additional cost to maintain my account SO I CAN play online. Does that mean, I'm not playing for online play? If I'm not paying for the games, then can I access the games without a subscription? As LOGICWINS says, it ain't free, but it is damn good value if you like and haven't played those games.
Ummm.. shouldn't it also be said that if you sub for PS+ for 10 years you get to play ALL THE GAMES THAT EVER BECAME FREE during that time. I enjoy going back to games. I finished GTA 4 like a week ago and I hadn't played it for YEARS. OK GTA4 is not in PS+ as a free game but you do get the point from this right? I got LBP 2 from PS+. I sold my retail copy of said game and got back 15€ when I sold it for example. So my 1 year subscription only cost 25.5€ with that game alone. I also sold Infamous 2 for 9€ etc. etc. Anyway I get to play all the games I've ever gotten free with PS+ so the annual value of PS+ actually GROWS every year along with the accumulated free games. I'm sure this math is lost on many people though.....sigh.. @kurt russel Unlike Netflix games aren't the ONLY thing PS+ offers so your logic if flawed.
Logicwins, the Plus service is a lot like Netflix. They offer you content within your subscription and the content they offer that is included is much like the sell-through stuff Netflix offers you. Meaning games that have already gone through their cycle of demand. Most are older titles people no longer buy in large numbers. What they have offered for Vita games seem to be more desired as they are newer and some AAA games like Uncharted. What people like about Plus over other paid services like Xbox Live is it gives consumers more flexibility and choice. Xbox 360 owners don't really have a choice when it comes to online play. Which I think in todays times doesn't make much sense given how many games almost require online to get the value out of the software. Software you already bought. The article does bring up some points though and the weaknesses within the Playstation Network. The patches and system updates are more cumbersome to work with, getting friends together and accepting invites is not as friendly as it is on Live. Being able to talk with your friends and constantly staying connected has its benefits. I can play with friends and be within the service and stay within Xbox Live and it feels much more integrated than Playstation Network. Is that worth paying for? That depends on who you ask. The Plus service is becoming the focus for Sony by bringing in features like cloud saves and automatic updates. So in a sense it's a bit like Live Gold and Live silver where they are bridging themselves from free to a paid model. Thankfully Sony still offers online play for free but you can see the growth of services will be thrown at the Plus model. Microsoft excels in this area because they specialize in operating systems. They keep the gamer playing because they make sure it is still a console like experience. They make sure the patches are small and that everything just flows within it. Look at Playstation Home. It would be so much better if they actually made it work within the xmb. Instead it's a slow connection that breaks the experience with long loads and feels isolated from the start screen. I don't use Home anymore because it just doesn't work the way I want it to. Miiverse looks to be in the right direction where it's all part of the experience. The other point they bring up is the mandatory installs. So now we are getting away from the console experience and becoming a sub-par PC experience. People who buy consoles want to be able to just turn the thing on and plug in a game and start playing. They don't want to have to face a 15-minute update or wait for a 4GB game to install. So as we can see we can pick out faults while still saying the PS3 is a great system with great games. You don't have to be a fanatic and make it appear like it has no issues. You also don't need to just highlight its faults and make it appear that the system is terrible. These topic headers will stay like this because of the reaction. We are already over 100 comments which goes to show how passionate some people are about these things. Just keep one thing in mind, it's only a entertainment device. So don't get all emotional about the media or people picking on it.
MY POINT is that it is not incorrect to say that you get free games for being member of PS+. I've said yes technically it isn't absolutely and purely free, but so what? Am I not allowed to say that I can watch videos on youtube for free because I have pay for the internet? Maybe so not unless I'm getting free wifi right? But even then watching videos on youtube isn't technically free because I have to pay for a device such as a laptop in order to use the free wifi. See how silly this is lol? At the end of the day I guess it's all about how you yourself perceive it. In buy one get one free deals you can either see it as you getting something free after you paid for the first item OR you can see it as paying half price for both items. Both are correct pick whichever makes you happy. BitbyDeath made another perfect example: "if you paid a dollar for a scratchy and won $1000 from it, do you consider the $999 to be free?" I'd personally see it as getting a $1000 for free as I paid the $1 for the scratchy and gained the $1000 after I've met the conditions of wining. Others may see it as getting $999 free. Others may see it as paying a $1 to get $999. All are correct in some sense, whatever makes you happy at the end of the day.
i have ps+, i agree with you i get free rentals with my subscription, i dont pay for plus for the instant game collection, i pay for it because of the auto-updating, and the 40%/50% off price disounts. the free rentals are just a bonus as i would be paying anyways. on topic, i understand where the writer was coming from, with the installs and updates. but the same could be said about the xbox, as i turned it on at xmas as i got halo 4, and i spent over hour going through updates and then had to install the game. granted both systems have to wait and install and update, but which ever 1 is your primary, is going to be the one that is going to take less time as its already up to date because you update it more often
@nukeitall: So I take it you think that online play is something you should have to pay twice for? I mean you bought the game for $60, it was developed with an online portion that 3 of 4 platforms let you play for free, and yet you have to pay to play a game online. So PC, Wii U, and PS3 are getting free online, and you're paying $120 base for one game and that's not including your ISP. Where is the value in that? "well I also get party chat." So does the PC for free, so does the Vita for free. Anyone with common sense should see the common denominator is the word free. Cool, you get to play Xbox Live games whenever you want even after unsubbing to Live. Try playing them online without subbing to Live Gold. You can't. PC users, Wii U users, PSN + Subscribers don't have to pay to play any game online. And the discounted games are theirs to keep forever and they don't have to be subbed to Steam, or PSN + or whatever to play those games. When's the last time you got a free game from MS on Live, or even one that was worth playing? When's the last time you played an online only game on Live without paying for it? Never? Yeah I thought so.
@nukeitall "It says Buy 1, Get 1 Free, it is literally that. You get to OWN that game. Does PS+ do that? Do I get to play those games after PS+ "subscription" end?" Wrong. Want to get technical on ownership? Let's get technical. "Through PSN, you may participate in SCEA's online community, play games online, and PURCHASE ACCESS to content and services, such as new levels for your favorite games, movies, television shows or original programs such as Qore™." http://us.playstation.com/s... Sorry. You don't own the games. You are only paying for permanent access rights. Plus or not, you don't own the games. You have access. The only difference is the conditions of access. In one scenario, you pay a one-time fee upfront. In the other scenario, you must maintain an active Plus subscription. And both scenarios require adhering to the TOS, so even then "permanent" is still under specific conditions. Unfortunately for your argument, the only real difference is the permanency of access rights. Google the word "free". You won't find any definition that involves permanency, which means your argument doesn't hold any water. If you want to call playing online free using your XBL Gold account or watching a movie through Netflix free to make yourself feel better, go right ahead. People (and businesses for that matter) only use "free" as a simple alternative to "at no additional cost" when something additional transaction-wise needs to be done to obtain a specific item, like "buying" that second "free" bag of chips in a Buy 1 Get 1 deal, or getting "free" two-day shipping through Amazon Prime, or going back to the PS Store to "buy" the "free" games in Plus. If it bothers you enough that certain Plus games are referred to as free, and you need to compensate by calling your online play through XBL Gold free, even though no additional transactions are required and their is no "paid" online play after buying Gold to distinguish it from, go right ahead. It's awfully redundant, but whatever floats your boat.
" Even you name is dripping with irony." Been saying this for years. What's more amazing is the amount of bubbles he has considering all the trolling he does. He's quite frankly a clever troll.
"Why I kick at dead horses that have been beaten to death years ago and use flamebait headlines to start fanboy wars in the comments section so I can get more hits on my website."
Are people still coming out with crap like this? Why do people have to keep telling us why the like X over Y. Its simple buy the things you like and don't buy the things you don't like.
I am a gamer and I own more all games consoles on the market at the moment because I want to play games like Zelda, Mario, Halo, Forza, GT, UC ect and the only way to do this is to own them all.
Gaming is not about who has which console or whos has more power or if its free to play on line. Its about what fits you best its as simple as that.
"PS+ is really awesome, free games" I've said it and i will say it again. PS+ does not offer free games. You pay for PS+ so those games are not free... those games are a loan while you have PS+. When your subscription of PS+ finishes, or you update your subscription (€€€€), or you can't play those "free" games. The main objective of PS+ is to lure you and lock you in. If you leave all those "free" games are dead weight in your hard drive. Is PS+ is a good deal? Don't know. Everybody have different opinions about PS+.
I think you need to re-emphasize it so people here understand. PS+ is free for you but not for your parents who pay the monthly fee. Is it really debatable? Something you pay for isn't free. Not questioning the value of PS+ in any way but come on, let's not throw all logic out the window.
Coming from someone with no bias towards any system. This is where the 360 shines, yes overall the system is faster than ps3..There's no ifs or ans about that. It's faster with everything, the wireless N card they put in the 360 improves dl speeds, the games you download from the market don't need to be installed..Once you download that's it, you can click and play, patches dl faster, the games usually have less load time over ps3 (when installed) now the ps3 actually has exclusives and free online..If you can only get one it's better functionality 360 vs better content ps3
Is this guy SERIOUS??? article about "why i hate ps3" how about "how i hate getting up each morning" do this guy realize those MANDATORY installs for our protection from hackers!!!! what a block-head. Would not be any patches if developers would get off they're arse and produce a full unglitched game. there for Sony not the blame for half arse work.
I don't see how Someones opinion on a console is actually news worthy? All articles like this do, is just spark debate amongst fanboys...
There is something to be said for analytical review on a systems features, benefits, downsides, etc. Sometimes that information can be invaluable to someone buying the system, as some of the points brought up may be important to them. This is particularly true early in a consoles life...like the Wii U recently. They should however remain unbiased, and note the points of interest, both negative and positive, without offering commentary, which many of these articles fail to do.
Oh the butthurt by Sony fanboys is just DELICIOUS! get both consoles and stop being a fan boy.
It's the best : free, not always p2P psn+ also, with free games (yes free, if you consider subscription for beta, lower prices, etc and the price you have to pay on xbox just for playing the gamle you have bought !) "why i hate... " : because you are a stupid fanboy, not a gamer..give them the best games, the best hardware, free games, etc and they are talking about "mandatory install" and other stupid stuff XD
i dont hate my ps3, i just hate the militants who cant criticize their platform of choice. like lemmings they believe Sony does no wrong. it's a really good proprietary system, i pray my 60gb launch fatboy never dies. i like my backwards compatibility. other than UC2, the ps3 doesnt have the killer IP's the ps2 had.
@solar funny coming from a 360 fanboy. "other than UC2, the ps3 doesnt have the killer IP's the ps2 had." whatever floats your boat buddy.
sure is funny slow updates i have 50mb internet only take secs for me also it depends on ur internet connection speed isnt p2p servers like 360
These type of articles should not get approved. The PlayStation 3 is fine. Every system has its issues, and no system is perfect. Not even Xbox Live. Nobody would even pay for the service if you could play games online for free. All the apps and crap they shove in your face are free online. But whatever, this is a troll article, from a author looking for hits.
but but but.... the ps triple has no games, thats what experts told me on the internet.
There are legitimate reasons to have experiences that make you HATE any of the platforms, even if it's just a temporary, isolated hate that's centered on a specific feature or set of features or set of setbacks. (i.e., Wii's lack of a centralized online network, 3DS's lack of a built-in second stick, etc.), even while the platform has some terrific strengths otherwise. That's really the spirit of this piece.
Really? Hate an inanimate object? The obvious overstatements lend themselves better to drama queen hit seeking than intelligent discourse. Don't like that? Ok, how about this? Mental health professionals tell us that hate arises from fear. Why not lay back down on the couch and tell us why you fear the PS3? (or any platform you hate for that matter) You'll feel better once you face your fear and get it off your chest, and just hearing yourself say these things aloud may give you a different perspective.
If you hate ps3 then you dont like good games.
or they are just an "anti PS3", brainless and bored, typical internet troll and hate the PS3 because they do not have one and/or cannot afford one.
I hate ps3, and I love good games, so your point has been invalidated. Good day, sir. Edit: I really can't stand the mushy dualshock.
But you're a troll. You don't count.
I actually think the ps3 is the worst console ever made and I hate the console for the same reasons as the author. Yet, I'd own it over any other console this gen because of the exclusive games and free online. Though if MGS4 was on xbox I'd kiss playstation goodbye.
Um. What good games?
Enjoy the show everyone.
Okay, after 475 other times,previously, this kind of article should now be considered duplicate.
and they say this site is over run by ps3 fanboys if this site is overrun by them we wouldn't have those kind of blogs who made by fanboys live in a basement