InfoBarrel writes:
"I think it’s about time we start talking about the next-gen games that will raise the standard and set the bar so high it becomes a topic of discussion all across the internet like the way Killzone 2 pre-rendered video did way back in 2005. As a lover of everything 3D graphics and computer animation I was never so excited about anything that had to do with video games as much as I did when I saw that video on the web. Some of the things that I really liked in that video was the facial animation of the characters, their body movement, the way the enemy AIs reacted when they are shot and when there was an explosion and the Physics of debris scattering all over the place when there was an explosion. All that and a whole lot of other things happening on the screen at the same time blew me away."
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To be honest, Killzone doesn't need 4k to blow people away. As far as visuals are concerned, Killzone has always been visually stunning and we can only imagine what the developers can achieve in the graphics department (amongst others) with a next gen Killzone title.
One question intrigues me however; how will the next Killzone title compare to the CGI trailer shown for Killzone 2? I'm not talking about how the game looks like generally because, Killzone 2 did a decent job matching the general look and feel of the CGI trailer. I'm talking more specifically, the visual fidelity and detail.
[Edit] Some people on here are claiming that Killzone 2 actually looked better than the CGI trailer released. If that's the case then forget 4k resolution because I doubt the latter feature's inclusion will make any difference to those who are clearly visually impaired. Get real
i'm one of those who think KZ2 look the same as the CG trailer and KZ3 top both
last time i remember KZ2 won alot of gfx awards and 10/10 in gfx from all sites
uncharted 2 was the reason why it didn't won all the best gfx awards in 2009
Killzone 2 technically DOES and I mean Does look better than the trailer which as of right now looks kinda murkey with pretty blunt lighting ,
HOWEVER the game doesn't play as fluid or as cinematic as what was presented all those years ago if you know what I mean ? The fluid movement of the action gives the impression that it looks better, as it would on any trailer but in all honest KZ2 DOES look better , the game may not move as fluid or as cibematic as the trailer but then again find me one game that does , but it does in.deed look better from a technical stand point it DOES look better
4K TV's are not even in stores yet, let alone being anywhere near affordable by next year (if that is when the PS4 comes out). Sony showcased the PS3 as being truly next gen even though the games mostly played at 30fps and in 720p. If 4K support can be added for cheap then by all means do it. But if it just adds extra cost then what's the point? I would be happy if all PS4 games ran at 60fps and were in true 1080p.
***, the game may not move as fluid or as cibematic as the trailer but then again find me one game that does , ****
maybe the last of us ...might be wrong though
The cheapest right now is what? 10grand? not even LCD/Plasmas (at respectable sizes) were that much during their infancy.
I'll be honest, I am growing tired of N4G - they just link to these stupid articles that are designed to start flame wars.
I agree with you, well put. I think that this next KZ will be the best looking, that's a no brainer, but I am hoping for that real smooth animation, those little effects like debris and environment effects that go with the big more obvious things. Animation like Ico or the upcoming Last of us would be ideal. Plus art direction is vital, choice of design style and color palette will be really important.
That doesn't mean KZ2 isn't impressive, if anything it's the opposite. The KZ2 CGI trailer's art style makes it look worse then the real KZ2 at times, partially because KZ2 had a great art style.
Eyefinity and NVIDIA Surround are examples of 4k resolution (sometimes higher) and you need a pretty good PC with lots of video memory to run it. I doubt next-gen consoles will have more than 1GB of memory. If that's the case, 4k resolution will not be possible on consoles without it being a slideshow.
im getting the ps4 on day one, u mad bro?
why would i volontary avoid sony exclusives only because there's two msi 580 lightning in sli on my pc?
a real gamer will play games no matter on what platform it is..... and last thing, Okami and Journey showed us that high res textures doesnt necessarily make a game look better.
U sure?
Nah u ain't, not at all
If you're comment was directed towards me, then I saw it a couple a years ago on PC.
@Marcus_Feniz
If you're comment was directed towards me, then I was simply here to educated the ignorant (in this case a vast majority of the people on n4g) about PC hardware, which "your" PS4 will be using.
You can talk about PC all you want, but the fact of the matter is consoles, are becoming more and more like PC's, except limited in functionality and locked to whatever the console maker wants.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
cuz you need a gtx 680 for that?
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
I have a great pc but still get a ps4 dude. I like both platforms. And why not appreciate great games more than textures? PS4 won't have 4k games but who actually cares??
This is about gaming no?
I can't wait for amnesia on pc and there is no way I will miss the last of us on ps3!
ps4 is a day pre order!!
Ps4 will be powerful enough for a console or they will have to change the name(which I don't think they will do).
"We named it PlayStation, the power of a workstation for play. That is our mantra seventeen years later." - Jack Tretton
http://www.xbitlabs.com/new...
@MmaFan-qc - try quad 680 SLI - what console can take that on? The next PS4/xbox will have a video card somewhat like the Wii U - cheap, slow, 2 generations old - that is the model they use so they can at least break even on a console with a low price point.
Consoles = casual gaming
PC = hardcore gamers
You're the one who needs to get real.
Most pundits still saying Xbox will bein 2014 like around February-march. But I personally don't see ms giving any a head start, wiiu is gonne be a forgotten device because ps4 and next Xbox will over shadow it. And it's not fair since wiiu does bring some new things to gaming
Anyway can't wait to find out more.
That would be exciting. Pre rendered video should be banished, because it can only bring scepticism and criticism about the actual realtime game when the dust finally settles and the analysts move in.
KZ2's video only ended up biting Sony early on because the game was delayed and the gap between the video and the game was nearly 4 years. This just added to the stack of bad PR for PS3 at the start of its life. Where is this mythical KZ2, the KZ2 visual games etc etc....
Better just show something you have got, in realtime and be honest.
Really impressive stuff!
They couldn't pull that trick twice even if they wanted to. Both Killzone 2 and Motostorms target renders are still above anything we've seen on current systems. No one will place faith in such videos again.
My opinion, that was one of the biggest marketing fails of the generation, and it setup one of the biggest disappointments of Sony's lineup.
Enjoy your $600 PS4. I will as well one day, but I'm not paying that much again at launch.
@Munky
I seriously doubt we'll see pre-rendered video for most of the PS4 games, simply because the development teams have been working on the games for too long.
Who should be there Year 1
Polyphony last game was GT5 Nov. 2010 (2+ year ago by E3, 3 year by launch)
Guerrilla Games last game was Killzone 3 Feb. 2011 (2+ years ago by E3)
Evolution last game was Motorstorm Apoc. Mar. 2011 (2+ years ago by E3)
Sucker Punch last game was inFamous 2 June 2011 (2+ years ago by E3)
Sony San Diego are likely working on MLB for PS4
So as you can see, these developers have probably been working on their next gen titles for over 2 years, so they should be at a point where they're playable, even if they don't make it in the launch window.
My guess for launch titles are (MLB 14: PS4, Wipeout / Motorstorm / New racing IP PS4 (Evolution), GT6 Prologue, and a New Action-Adventure IP from Sucker Punch, and a New FPS from Guerrilla Games)
After that we should see something from Naughty Dog Team 1 (Uncharted 4 / New IP more likely), Sony London (PS4 Move something), and possibly some insight into FF13 versus, Agent, and Last Guardian at E3 2014 (If we don't see them then consider them cancelled, since 2014 should be Sony's off year since 2013 will be packed with devs. cranking out games on PS3, PSVita, and PS4).
Working on games now for 2013 - Q1 2014
Naughty Dog Team 2, is working on The Last of Us (PS3)
Sony Santa Monica is working on God of War ascension (PS3)
Sony Japan is working on Last Guardian (PS3 / PS4)
Media Molecule is working on Tearaway for the Vita (PSV)
Big Big Studios is a handheld (Vita) developer (PSV something)
Sony Bend is "rumored to be working on a Vita game" (Uncharted / Splinter Cell)
Sony Cambridge is working on Killzone Mercenaries (PSV)
Sony Japan is "rumored to be working on Gravity Rush 2" (PSV)
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Hell, watch The Dark Knight rises on Blu-ray using a high end calibrated monitor in ideal viewing conditions. It was filmed mostly in about 4k digital resolution and about an hour is 65mm iMax film telecined to digital which is equal to about 8k video, yes 8k. That's why iMax looks so amazing and costs so much more. It makes a very noticeable difference on any sized screen even if it's native 1080p and that's using film with all its imperfections in-between. Video games are rendered real time free of any imperfections from the chemicals used in film and then displayed pixel for pixel. 4k will make a dramatic difference from 1080p, no questions there. My point is that 1080p to 4k will be even more noticeable in games than in movies even at home on a 30-50" TV.
While it's true that the source material plays a major role in picture quality, the fact remains that the difference is negligible in a standard viewing environment. 4K TV's are going to have a much harder time gaining market acceptance. Just looking at the shift to HDTV a lot of people still couldn't see the difference, and early on there wasn't a whole lot of HDTV sources to be had.
A 30" screen is about a quarter of the surface area of a 60" screen, and 4K would be completely wasted on it. There may be slight differences in the 45-60" realm, but not enough for most people to upgrade, especially since there are very few media sources that will support it. There is a difference when going above 60", but as superman said, most families wouldn't have such a large TV in their living rooms.
As far as games are concerned, there are so many filters and sharers put into modern games that having more pixels to push could actually cause the image quality to decrease, as you are not simply pushing out a flat image pixel, but one that has various effects related to dithering and occlusion. Faults in those sharers would stand out much more, and be jarring to the viewer.
It's all relative though. So of course an 80" at 4k is going to look far superior than an 80" at 1080p over a 30" because with smaller screens and higher resolution, it's pixel density that makes the difference. Imagine smart phones with 1080p. a 4" iPhone at 1080p would be 550.73 pixels per inch. There's a difference you'd be hard pressed to find since 300PPI is supposedly as high as the human eye can distinguish.
GTX 670, 680, 690
HD 7950, 7970, 7990
All 4k capable with the last of each being able to run most at 60 fps still
Uncharted or killzone 2 still look miles ahead than any ps2 games on a sd TV, yes it lose many effect and details and the resolution is not hd but I bet I will be happy playing 4k games on my 1080p tv because they still will look way better then any ps3 game plus the gameplay will be more advanced tech.. until I decide to jump over a 4ktv and they will eventually get at a reasonable price obviously.
Plus there are going to be 8ktvs by the time or after the ps4 is out (at a more affordable price) but games will go by 4k and 8k will be only for pics or movie's.
Even some pc hardware struggles at 1080p!
Unless you get games with textures from quake 2.... I see 4k resolution not an issue ;)
Well lets put it like this. Heres a 4k video link.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
(make sure to pick 'original' on quality settings and start from beginning again)
I bet some of you wont be able to play that video perfectly smooth on 4k. Now remember its a video, when talking about games its a whole different situation. Dont think KZ4 in 4k would be possible well maybe 3d chess?
1080p 60fps for 3D
4k for non 3D
Why is this so hard to belive?
The jump from PS to PS2 was huge and so was from the PS2 to the PS3
Why will the the jump from PS3 to PS4 will be any different?
Sony clearly say they will not show the PS4 until there is a good difference and next gen has been delay already.
If you are smart enough you know the minimum ram for the PS4 is 8gb of ram and the best looking PC game that can do 4k graphics uses a today high end pc graphics card and do not even uses over 4gb of ram.(google it if you have not seen it)
So why is hard to belive a new next gen console that may come out by the end of 2013 can't do 4k?
If you think that next gen games will not look better then any pc game by the time it launch then you are full of bs...
I don't expect many (if any) AAA next gen console games running at 4k resolution. It just requires far too much processing overhead.
and even if there are games that are released to support that resolution, they'll be few and far between, just like how there aren't very many games on the PS3 that are native 1080p.
if anything, 4K resolution will be primarily there for movies/TV shows that are released on disc once blu-ray goes the way of the DVD.
Also, lets not worry about 4K when they can barely manage 1080p with stable framerates and no screen tearing....lets not run before we can walk.
Of course, we love games like Rayman, as well. And games like Journey, Skyrim, Odin Sphere, and so on. But your assertion... is pretty stupid, to be blunt.
Prices come down overtime and consoles last years.
Besides, Sony put Blu-ray and HD tvs on the map. They will be the ones putting 4K resolution and 4K tvs on the map as well. It might just be too soon though, but that depends in what they'll deliver this E3.
The classes sucked
Only 24 player not 32
No spawn nads
Kz2 is sill MY favorite fps of all time
With that said, I think I'll be more than a little upset if they start showing off games running in 4k anytime soon. Sure, it will look impressive but I think they need to spend their resources making games run smoothly at resolutions that are mainstream right now instead of most games running good at 720 or just below. With TVs capable of running 4k still over $20k, I seriously doubt that they will be a major player in the market anytime soon. I also doubt that 4k will be a huge draw for more than a fraction of current Playstation game purchasers. So what would be the point? The PS3 is great but I think it's obvious to everyone that it was a bit overambitious when launched and I think that hurt it in the beginning. I believe the fact that Sony cut back on some features and eliminated others to lower the price to be more competitive supports this.
I don't think Sony needs to be conservative with the coming generation, but I do think they need to be more practical. Supporting a resolution that will not be the standard until probably the end of the next generation at the earliest would seem to me to be a frivolous waste of resources that could be used to make better games and better quality hardware.
Now if they are just going to show a demo or pre-rendered vid and the PS4 will not actually run 4k, then I think that is a bit cheap as well. I want to see what new games will look like on my TV on my system, not some custom hardware they cooked up just to do a show. Let the games stand or fall based on their actual merits and not "bait and switch" marketing.
Just my .02