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How Sony could blow us away if they show Killzone 4 running on PS4 in 4K glory

InfoBarrel writes:

"I think it’s about time we start talking about the next-gen games that will raise the standard and set the bar so high it becomes a topic of discussion all across the internet like the way Killzone 2 pre-rendered video did way back in 2005. As a lover of everything 3D graphics and computer animation I was never so excited about anything that had to do with video games as much as I did when I saw that video on the web. Some of the things that I really liked in that video was the facial animation of the characters, their body movement, the way the enemy AIs reacted when they are shot and when there was an explosion and the Physics of debris scattering all over the place when there was an explosion. All that and a whole lot of other things happening on the screen at the same time blew me away."

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remanutd551336d ago

Who the check is Gorilla Games? Lol.

Ultr1336d ago

Am I the only one that thinks the actual Killzone2 looks WAY better than that rendered-shit?

Outside_ofthe_Box1336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

KZ4 running in 4K isn't going to blow KZ fans away at all. Great graphics is expected when it come to KILLZONE. So I don't get why you made this article. What will really blow people away is a multiplayer that goes back to the roots of KILLZONE 2. This is what Guerrilla Games should really strive for in my opinion.

Septic1336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

They better show off actual gameplay this time round though otherwise it's just a complete p*ss take like last time.

To be honest, Killzone doesn't need 4k to blow people away. As far as visuals are concerned, Killzone has always been visually stunning and we can only imagine what the developers can achieve in the graphics department (amongst others) with a next gen Killzone title.

One question intrigues me however; how will the next Killzone title compare to the CGI trailer shown for Killzone 2? I'm not talking about how the game looks like generally because, Killzone 2 did a decent job matching the general look and feel of the CGI trailer. I'm talking more specifically, the visual fidelity and detail.

[Edit] Some people on here are claiming that Killzone 2 actually looked better than the CGI trailer released. If that's the case then forget 4k resolution because I doubt the latter feature's inclusion will make any difference to those who are clearly visually impaired. Get real

Ezz20131336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

@septic
i'm one of those who think KZ2 look the same as the CG trailer and KZ3 top both

last time i remember KZ2 won alot of gfx awards and 10/10 in gfx from all sites
uncharted 2 was the reason why it didn't won all the best gfx awards in 2009

Eyeco1336d ago

Ok I'm gonna end this debate

Killzone 2 technically DOES and I mean Does look better than the trailer which as of right now looks kinda murkey with pretty blunt lighting ,

HOWEVER the game doesn't play as fluid or as cinematic as what was presented all those years ago if you know what I mean ? The fluid movement of the action gives the impression that it looks better, as it would on any trailer but in all honest KZ2 DOES look better , the game may not move as fluid or as cibematic as the trailer but then again find me one game that does , but it does in.deed look better from a technical stand point it DOES look better

MikeMyers1336d ago

Sony should really get away from using their game console to sell other hardware. Especially if that added cost is transferred to the consumer. The original Playstation and Playstation 2 had CD and then DVD playback. It really helped Sony sell those formats. Difference is those consoles both cost $299 U.S. at launch. That's where the PS3 stumbled. They wanted to sell bluray but those costs were added to the consumer. That is one of the reasons why Sony lost a portion of their fanbase.

4K TV's are not even in stores yet, let alone being anywhere near affordable by next year (if that is when the PS4 comes out). Sony showcased the PS3 as being truly next gen even though the games mostly played at 30fps and in 720p. If 4K support can be added for cheap then by all means do it. But if it just adds extra cost then what's the point? I would be happy if all PS4 games ran at 60fps and were in true 1080p.

Ezz20131336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

Eyeco
***, the game may not move as fluid or as cibematic as the trailer but then again find me one game that does , ****

maybe the last of us ...might be wrong though

sniperxx1336d ago

Im not sure what everyone is smoking... I am pretty certain that unless Sony (or Microsoft for that matter) are able to create a 'current' gen PC and sell it for 300-400 dollars - there is no way the 'next gen' consoles will even handle 1080p and 60fps let alone 4k. And it will still be MANY years before the 4K TV is even affordable.

The cheapest right now is what? 10grand? not even LCD/Plasmas (at respectable sizes) were that much during their infancy.

I'll be honest, I am growing tired of N4G - they just link to these stupid articles that are designed to start flame wars.

Freak of Nature1336d ago

@Eyeco...

I agree with you, well put. I think that this next KZ will be the best looking, that's a no brainer, but I am hoping for that real smooth animation, those little effects like debris and environment effects that go with the big more obvious things. Animation like Ico or the upcoming Last of us would be ideal. Plus art direction is vital, choice of design style and color palette will be really important.

SilentNegotiator1336d ago

Fix the part with the unrealistic expectations, too. You know...the entire article.

Mrmagnumman3571335d ago (Edited 1335d ago )

@ Septic, you are getting downvoted for telling the truth, isn't that great!? To everyone, if you knew what was running behind the KZ2 CGI video, you would know it greatly surpasses KZ2 and every console game this gen. The particle effects and texture quality are far better then the actual KZ2, just watch this(2:44)- http://www.youtube.com/watc...

That doesn't mean KZ2 isn't impressive, if anything it's the opposite. The KZ2 CGI trailer's art style makes it look worse then the real KZ2 at times, partially because KZ2 had a great art style.

MAJ0R1335d ago

Excuse me for crashing the party, but who actually believes a console could run anything but a movie at 4k resolution when they struggle to run sub-HD games? Even mid-high grade PC's struggle to run 4k resolution.

Eyefinity and NVIDIA Surround are examples of 4k resolution (sometimes higher) and you need a pretty good PC with lots of video memory to run it. I doubt next-gen consoles will have more than 1GB of memory. If that's the case, 4k resolution will not be possible on consoles without it being a slideshow.

MikeMyers1335d ago

That's probably why it will be limited to streaming 4K and maybe be something linked to their acquisition of Gaikai.

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LocutusEstBorg1336d ago

Get real. The PS4 is already 2 generations behind a current gen PC and even a GTX 690 can't run anything at 4k. Console = piss poor rendering quality and textures regardless of what resolution it runs at.

MmaFan-Qc1336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

i have a top notch gaming pc....but guess what?

im getting the ps4 on day one, u mad bro?

why would i volontary avoid sony exclusives only because there's two msi 580 lightning in sli on my pc?

a real gamer will play games no matter on what platform it is..... and last thing, Okami and Journey showed us that high res textures doesnt necessarily make a game look better.

zebramocha1336d ago

I don't think we can include pc's as an example because their was a point where ps3 exclusive were being compared,I doubt we'll see 4k games like killzone but if 4k tvs come down in price significantly maybe psn titles will be in 4k.

Detoxx1336d ago

Take a look at some exclusives, you won't regret it..

ABizzel11336d ago PersonalAttacksShow
onandonandon1336d ago

Where did u see the PS4? Got any pictures?

Qrphe1336d ago

"even a GTX 690 can't run anything at 4k"

U sure?

Nah u ain't, not at all

The_Infected1336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

Get real. No one gives a shit! Take your PC crap out of a PS4 article.

kneon1336d ago

I think there is also a decent chance you'll see some racing games at 4K. In general racing games can produce better graphics than most other types of games because what needs to be shown on screen is more limited, more predictable and there is usually not as much going on at once on the screen.

ABizzel11336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

@onandonandon

If you're comment was directed towards me, then I saw it a couple a years ago on PC.

@Marcus_Feniz

If you're comment was directed towards me, then I was simply here to educated the ignorant (in this case a vast majority of the people on n4g) about PC hardware, which "your" PS4 will be using.

You can talk about PC all you want, but the fact of the matter is consoles, are becoming more and more like PC's, except limited in functionality and locked to whatever the console maker wants.

BitbyDeath1336d ago

There is a chance PS4 games will be in 4K as Sony have already demoed one.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

"PC and even a GTX 690 can't run anything at 4k."
cuz you need a gtx 680 for that?
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I have a great pc but still get a ps4 dude. I like both platforms. And why not appreciate great games more than textures? PS4 won't have 4k games but who actually cares??

This is about gaming no?
I can't wait for amnesia on pc and there is no way I will miss the last of us on ps3!

ps4 is a day pre order!!

Ps4 will be powerful enough for a console or they will have to change the name(which I don't think they will do).
"We named it PlayStation, the power of a workstation for play. That is our mantra seventeen years later." - Jack Tretton
http://www.xbitlabs.com/new...

modesign1336d ago

bubble down kurianoftrollborg

bucky19651336d ago

I see the 72 plus (and counting) people who dissagree do not have much tech knowledge.

sniperxx1336d ago

@kurianofborg - exactly right - of course we may all get the PS4 for games, but this comment is about the article, and making up stories that the PS4 will be more powerful then it is is crazy.

@MmaFan-qc - try quad 680 SLI - what console can take that on? The next PS4/xbox will have a video card somewhat like the Wii U - cheap, slow, 2 generations old - that is the model they use so they can at least break even on a console with a low price point.

Consoles = casual gaming
PC = hardcore gamers

SilentNegotiator1336d ago

Well....the part where you said "Even a GTX 690 can't run anything at 4K" was true....

Conzul1336d ago

And yet, it only took 3 daisychained PS3's to do a Gran Turismo demo in 4k. That means the PS4 need only be more than 3X as powerful as the PS3 to get at least some stuff into 4k.

You're the one who needs to get real.

mewhy321335d ago

What if we are blown away? What hell difference would it make? I mean, it's a 4k tv for cryin out loud. Sony is trying to push yet another niche to try and sell their tv's. How soon we forget the 3d fiasco that they tried to get the brainwashed legions to buy in to. This is just another marketing ploy to try and generate sales for a dying console.

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showtimefolks1336d ago

We dnt have long to wait by GDP 2013 Sony will talk about ps4.

Most pundits still saying Xbox will bein 2014 like around February-march. But I personally don't see ms giving any a head start, wiiu is gonne be a forgotten device because ps4 and next Xbox will over shadow it. And it's not fair since wiiu does bring some new things to gaming

Anyway can't wait to find out more.

showtimefolks1336d ago

i will be excited for Killzne 4 anyway, but if GG can make it full 1080P while gaming running full 60FPS.

DeadlyFire1335d ago

I suspect if Sony and Microsoft truely aim for 4K and future proof their console then 1080 60 FPS on any title shouldn't be much of a problem as 4K would only run at 30fps max. Even the top cards out there run games in 4K at 20-30 fps, but a multi low power GPU solution could allow for consoles to do the same if not greater.

Oschino19071335d ago

After getting into 3d gaming all I can ask for is 1080p HD in 3d at 60fps along with full screen co-op 3d running at atleast 30fps.

tordavis1336d ago

Another garbage "wouldn't this be cool? give me hits!" article.

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Munky1336d ago

I'm pretty sure this is a given. Another pre rendered video running off of the expected hardware for the PS4 to get the gaming community all giddy with excitement.

vulcanproject1336d ago

I would rather just see something actually running in realtime on similar hardware rather than something pre rendered on a 10k workstation :-/

Munky1336d ago

To be honest so would I. But a lot of E3 is more about generating excitement then anything else, the KZ2 video in 2005 blew the roof off the place. I suspect that Sony and MS are aiming for that type of reaction when unveiling the launch titles for the next gen consoles.

vulcanproject1336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

What can be more exciting about showing something that can blow the roof off, only for the guy to pick up a pad and at least move the camera around to show it is being rendered in realtime! Yes peeps, this is exactly how the game could look or even better with the time left to finish the game, cos thats just how awesome our new hardware is?

That would be exciting. Pre rendered video should be banished, because it can only bring scepticism and criticism about the actual realtime game when the dust finally settles and the analysts move in.

KZ2's video only ended up biting Sony early on because the game was delayed and the gap between the video and the game was nearly 4 years. This just added to the stack of bad PR for PS3 at the start of its life. Where is this mythical KZ2, the KZ2 visual games etc etc....

Better just show something you have got, in realtime and be honest.

jimbobwahey1336d ago

I'm not fussed. I mean the Killzone 2 video was pre-rendered and everybody said "There's no way the game will look that good" and then when it actually launched it looked significantly better than the original fake video which was incredibly impressive. I even remember the screenshots comparisons showing the huge increase in texture detail, lighting effects and geometry in the finished product compared to the original trailer.

Really impressive stuff!

Tei7771336d ago

The problem with the ps3's reveal is that it was so far off from the actual systems launch, so they had nothing to show initially. If they show off ps4 at E3 and it launches in the fall, then I'd assume the launch games will be near enough finished by time of its reveal and there will be no need or excuse for those deceptive target render videos.

They couldn't pull that trick twice even if they wanted to. Both Killzone 2 and Motostorms target renders are still above anything we've seen on current systems. No one will place faith in such videos again.

IcarusOne1335d ago

I don't understand anyone who thinks KZ2 looks better than the pre-rendered target. Honestly, I don't understand the people who say it was even close. If they had pre-rendered low res textures and massive jagged aliasing, then maybe it woulda been close.

My opinion, that was one of the biggest marketing fails of the generation, and it setup one of the biggest disappointments of Sony's lineup.

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pixelsword1336d ago

They need to fake the footage just to blow us away again. That killed all of the side-chatter and was a deal-maker for a lot of people. lol

ABizzel11336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

@Author

Enjoy your $600 PS4. I will as well one day, but I'm not paying that much again at launch.

@Munky

I seriously doubt we'll see pre-rendered video for most of the PS4 games, simply because the development teams have been working on the games for too long.

Who should be there Year 1

Polyphony last game was GT5 Nov. 2010 (2+ year ago by E3, 3 year by launch)
Guerrilla Games last game was Killzone 3 Feb. 2011 (2+ years ago by E3)
Evolution last game was Motorstorm Apoc. Mar. 2011 (2+ years ago by E3)
Sucker Punch last game was inFamous 2 June 2011 (2+ years ago by E3)
Sony San Diego are likely working on MLB for PS4

So as you can see, these developers have probably been working on their next gen titles for over 2 years, so they should be at a point where they're playable, even if they don't make it in the launch window.

My guess for launch titles are (MLB 14: PS4, Wipeout / Motorstorm / New racing IP PS4 (Evolution), GT6 Prologue, and a New Action-Adventure IP from Sucker Punch, and a New FPS from Guerrilla Games)

After that we should see something from Naughty Dog Team 1 (Uncharted 4 / New IP more likely), Sony London (PS4 Move something), and possibly some insight into FF13 versus, Agent, and Last Guardian at E3 2014 (If we don't see them then consider them cancelled, since 2014 should be Sony's off year since 2013 will be packed with devs. cranking out games on PS3, PSVita, and PS4).

Working on games now for 2013 - Q1 2014

Naughty Dog Team 2, is working on The Last of Us (PS3)
Sony Santa Monica is working on God of War ascension (PS3)
Sony Japan is working on Last Guardian (PS3 / PS4)

Media Molecule is working on Tearaway for the Vita (PSV)
Big Big Studios is a handheld (Vita) developer (PSV something)
Sony Bend is "rumored to be working on a Vita game" (Uncharted / Splinter Cell)
Sony Cambridge is working on Killzone Mercenaries (PSV)
Sony Japan is "rumored to be working on Gravity Rush 2" (PSV)

Qrphe1336d ago

Idk, I'd say they did an awesome job with the actual game, I even prefer it the actual game to that CG.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost....

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OneAboveAll1336d ago

Irrelevant until 4K TV's are cheap enough for the common consumer. Guess what? They won't be for a while.

iamnsuperman1336d ago

4K tvs are irrelevant anyway (not just talking about price). To noticeably see a difference between 1080p and 4K the TV needs to be around 80inch or above. Now Big TVs are good but this is where it gets excessive and no sane family (or enough of them) is going to put that in there living room. 4K is perfect for the cinemas and outdoor arenas. It isn't for the general consumer.

Eyesoftheraven1336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

@Iamnsuperman You should probably look into pixel density per square inch.

Hell, watch The Dark Knight rises on Blu-ray using a high end calibrated monitor in ideal viewing conditions. It was filmed mostly in about 4k digital resolution and about an hour is 65mm iMax film telecined to digital which is equal to about 8k video, yes 8k. That's why iMax looks so amazing and costs so much more. It makes a very noticeable difference on any sized screen even if it's native 1080p and that's using film with all its imperfections in-between. Video games are rendered real time free of any imperfections from the chemicals used in film and then displayed pixel for pixel. 4k will make a dramatic difference from 1080p, no questions there. My point is that 1080p to 4k will be even more noticeable in games than in movies even at home on a 30-50" TV.

rainslacker1336d ago

@Parallax

While it's true that the source material plays a major role in picture quality, the fact remains that the difference is negligible in a standard viewing environment. 4K TV's are going to have a much harder time gaining market acceptance. Just looking at the shift to HDTV a lot of people still couldn't see the difference, and early on there wasn't a whole lot of HDTV sources to be had.

A 30" screen is about a quarter of the surface area of a 60" screen, and 4K would be completely wasted on it. There may be slight differences in the 45-60" realm, but not enough for most people to upgrade, especially since there are very few media sources that will support it. There is a difference when going above 60", but as superman said, most families wouldn't have such a large TV in their living rooms.

As far as games are concerned, there are so many filters and sharers put into modern games that having more pixels to push could actually cause the image quality to decrease, as you are not simply pushing out a flat image pixel, but one that has various effects related to dithering and occlusion. Faults in those sharers would stand out much more, and be jarring to the viewer.

Eyesoftheraven1336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

I totally agree 4k won't take off for a very good while, but everything about screen size, resolution and the noticeable difference is not true at all. A 50" at 1920x1080 has 47.89 pixels per inch. A 50" at 3840x2860 has 104.9 pixels per inch. More than twice the amount of pixels in the same area. I'd bet anyone who isn't blind as a bat could tell that difference—-especially with real time games.

It's all relative though. So of course an 80" at 4k is going to look far superior than an 80" at 1080p over a 30" because with smaller screens and higher resolution, it's pixel density that makes the difference. Imagine smart phones with 1080p. a 4" iPhone at 1080p would be 550.73 pixels per inch. There's a difference you'd be hard pressed to find since 300PPI is supposedly as high as the human eye can distinguish.

nunley331336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

If PS4 has 4k, it will be there for displaying 3D in 1080P more than anything else besides video and pictures. This is likely to happen with the 3D games the PS4 will see, but Uncharted 4 in 4k is unlikely but that would be drool inducing. Uncharted 4 in 3D 1080p could happen and would be a real showpiece in demonstrating that new standard.

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LocutusEstBorg1336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

Irrelevant because it's impossible. Even a PC can't run that resolution and a modern PC is atleast 20x a powerful as a PS4.

iamnsuperman1336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

I am just going to call out the obvious here but how can a modern gaming PC be 20 times more powerful than a PS4 (a console yet to release). A more sensible (you should try it sometime) suggestion would to say the PS4 could possibly and is most likely to release as a mid high- to high end modern gaming PC

seanpitt231336d ago

If your right I don't think Sony would sell any ps4 but iam guessing your wrong

Eyesoftheraven1336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

Modern high end GPUs can certainly handle 4k gaming at playable frame rates. Though for 60fps+ with demanding games, you'll need multiple high end GPUs and to lower some graphical settings.

ABizzel11336d ago

Not to mention the fact that There are several GPU's capable of running games in 4k.

GTX 670, 680, 690
HD 7950, 7970, 7990

All 4k capable with the last of each being able to run most at 60 fps still

-Falaut-1336d ago

The brown ring on your arm much be around your armpit seeing how far you had to reach to pull that "fact" out.

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nunley331336d ago

I seem to remember the PS3 having bluray at a time when the cheapest bluray player was a $1000 and those went down in price reasonably in a few years like HDTV did.