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SCE Patents Depth Sensing Camera: Use Your Fingers as a Gun

Over the course of the year, we’ve been uncovering patent after patent from Sony Computer Entertainment for a 3D depth sensing camera similar to the Kinect. This month’s patent once again suggests that Sony are working on a camera akin to the Kinect, with this one highlighting how your fingers could be used like a gun. (Next-Gen, PS3, Sony Computer Entertainment)

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TrendyGamers  +   1143d ago
Were they inspired by Dead Space 2?
Irishguy95  +   1143d ago
By the Xbox ad obviously. And then Butlers slagging off of it. "pew pew".

Don't tell me people forget

Yes. Karma's a right ****

"Come on, who wants to use their hand as a gun?? What is this third grade? Pew, pew, pew...hehehe"

More than likely Dead space 2 was influenced by the 2 above things as well
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RuleofOne343  +   1143d ago
Thank you for posting these videos , I can't stop laughing about how they laughed at it but now the tide has changed .
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Kur0  +   1143d ago | Well said
You must have never heard of the PSEye then? Or the Eye Toy? Both came out before Kinect.
Nitrowolf2  +   1143d ago
you guys do know your picking at a Patent, which at the majority of time goes no where other than for legal reasons right?

People are acting like Sony actually has something working, when at most this is just a paper filed that could go anywhere. They have been doing so many controller related Patent lately, its hard to say what they are doing.

Anyway, if SOny does go this route and go with the Kinect idea (I know they have PS Eye) I am going to be real upset. If this does make it into the next console, I don't think it's something I would want to use. Can you guys imagine if Sony or MS made their eyetoy/Kinect mandatory for the controller? I just want buttons for my home console. Leave the other stuff to Nintendo. Not that it's a bad thing, they just have the better market for it and can actually sell it.

BTW I love the xbox commercial, still one of my all time fav from them.
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ABizzel1  +   1143d ago
I seriously doubt this is for a Kinect like experience.

I this all but confirms that the dualshock 3 will be a break apart PS Move controller, and the ps eye is getting an upgrade. There was a patent regarding a break-away controller from sony a while back, and recently there were some "leaked" documents showing a move controller using current parts in a dualshock setup.
Blacktric  +   1143d ago
" I can't stop laughing about how they laughed at it but now the tide has changed ."

Because they sure as hell "released" a product that uses the tech and encourages people to use their fingers as a gun...


Remember when Sony also patented five billion other weird things? Funny how you get a sudden amnesia when it comes to things that'd nullify your trolling attempt.
darthv72  +   1143d ago
You do know there was also the live vision camera right? People often compare the eyetoy to the kinect but they forget about the live vision.

eyetoy is to the ps2 what live vision is to the 360.

PSEye is an updated eyetoy but the same cant be said about kinect being an updated live vision.

when you add move to the PSEye it gives the camera something to actually focus on with the glowing sphere.

Imagine if the person were to wear a mo-cap suit that was compatible with something like kinect or even the would track the finer points of movement much better than they currently do.
shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1143d ago
To bad MS wasn't inspired by sony platform support. To bad for xbox only guys..
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sikbeta  +   1143d ago
Kinect proved that people wanted to waggle their arms to enjoy a casual game, same way wii-mote proved that people wanted to waggle their arms with a joystick to enjoy a game, Sony is doing what it already did:

Wii-mote <-> Move

Kinect <-> stuff Tracking patents to use with the next Eyetoy
blackbeld  +   1143d ago
Maybe Sony only wants to make money out of it. Sell this patent to Microsoft? Who knows.

It's just nice to own this patent for just in case.
greenpowerz  +   1143d ago
You forgot KB's Sony E3 Performance/Mockery

Sony better hope they can copy/sneak more than just using fingers. Looks Like Sony won't be tailing/riding Nintendo's Wiimote and now the Wii-u tablet, after trying with MOVE.

WTF is PlayStation EYE? What does it have to do with 3D motion tracking? Is PS Eye suppose to be the father of PC camera tech? Some how taking the credid for multi array microphones, binocular dual camera's that are infrared with advanced software with a onboard procesor.

Yes Kinect came from PS eye ;) and not from PC camera tech &(from Isreal military surveillance technoligy and savilan partners in the US and Isreal)

MSFT got Full 3D skelital motion tracking from PS eye and not 3DV SYSTEMS with Zcam.

Maybe Kuro is joking? It's like pointing out a company copying the new cellphone to cellphone bump/touch transfer tech in some phones like the Galaxy and some one rebutting with a mention of 1990's block cellhpones.
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Nes_Daze  +   1143d ago
You just set yourself up to be owned, and you were, congrats...
TheRealSpy  +   1143d ago
Massive hypocrisy in the gaming community. especially on n4g.
SilentNegotiator  +   1143d ago
Making a patent doesn't even necessarily mean that they'll use it directly (for ps4, or whatever). They're a corporation; they patent a dozen things every week.
pixelsword  +   1143d ago
I'm telling ya, the sixaxis was all I needed for motion gaming. I don't want to hold a wand or no controller at all. That will suck if that's the main way you play the PS4.
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fr0sty  +   1143d ago
You do know Sony has had a patent for a ball shaped controller for years, right? I don't see us controlling Ps3 with a ball. Patents are filed any time anyone in a company like Sony's R&D dept. comes up with an idea that the company sees fit to protect from other companies being able to use it. Very few of these patents ever see the light of day. Sony has been patenting depth sensing cameras for years also, our site reported on a similar patent last year actually.

If you want to pick on Sony for mocking using a laggy, low resolution depth sensing camera as a means to control core games, you also must consider that so far all indications clearly point to the new Xbox having Blu-Ray, which Microsoft mocked time and time again both during the HD-DVD format war and even long after it died and Blu-Rays were standard. They also mocked 3D, yet were right behind Sony in trying to shoe-horn 3d compatibility into Xbox 360 games once Sony's 3D games started generating even a little bit of hype.

All of these companies mock each other, and all of them eventually end up copying each other as well. You can't point a finger at just one, to do so ignores the fact that they're all guilty of it. Even Nintendo mocked glasses based 3D, only to say the Wii U would be able to support it when they announced it (not that anyone uses it, but the point still stands).

So, give up the pathetic fanboy war. You people are only making yourselves look dumb.
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b_one  +   1143d ago
and why do u think there will be a shooters only with this tech? i think first they will produce in japan there will be a piano sim ;)
Eyeco  +   1142d ago
1st: This is a Patent , so chances are it will never see the light of day

2nd: Eyetoy came out 10 YEARS AGO so how excactly is this ripping of kinect ?

3rd: I really hope Sony doesn't go through with this because Kinect sucks b@lls and hasn't done anything for core games despite how many times Microsoft spews BS on how it is beneficial for core games

4th: You can give me all that BS PR tech talk nonsense about "3d skeletal tracking" or whatever Kinect still forces you to jump around like a moron flaring your arms around like some inner city meth addict, it's still useless tech. And it still isn't any more relevant to gaming than the eyetoy
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fr0sty  +   1142d ago

"“A bunch of people sitting around the living room wearing $150 glasses — I’m just not sure that’s kind of mainstream today,” he said. “Trying to get a bunch of people playing together in a room where not everybody sees the same thing … is kind of a weird disconnect to me."

They then went on to sign a deal with LG to make 3D on Xbox possible on LG TVs. And you're wrong about them not releasing any 3D games, Halo: Combat Evolved supports stereoscopic 3D. And yes, 3D support was added via a firmware update at the end of last year.
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miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   1142d ago
But this ok though... It's Sony.
Ducky  +   1143d ago
They were inspired by Liquid/Ocelot in MGS4.
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LOGICWINS  +   1143d ago
Calabolg  +   1143d ago
i lol'd
JoySticksFTW  +   1143d ago
Liquid's gun fingers!

I don't care what anyone else says, I LOVED that part in MGS4

As good as it is ridiculous
dboyc310  +   1143d ago
Honestly this is just a concept of what they are aiming for. The type of depth the camera is going to sense. Doubt they will actually make a game regarding you doing that gesture. Plus these patents always are always just concepts of what the actual hardware will be/do
ALLWRONG  +   1142d ago
flip flop

pew pew pew
Bigpappy  +   1143d ago
Karma is a b**ch! No?
Alcohog  +   1143d ago
LOGICWINS  +   1143d ago
Let me refresh ur memory
SilentNegotiator  +   1143d ago
360 fanboys like to pretend like EVERY patent by Sony is releasing as a product for the ps3 tomorrow.
Alcohog  +   1143d ago
My question relates to the fact that you have no idea what karma is.
stage88  +   1143d ago
@Bigpappy This has nothing to do with Karma.
sithsylar  +   1143d ago
All i can think of is can't beat them join them hahha...
NeverEnding1989  +   1143d ago

Just like when Sony announced the PS3-mote, I think if this gets announced all of a sudden on N4G this technology will be alright.

Sony fanboys. Hypocrites.
insomnium2  +   1143d ago
Um shouldn't you wait and actually see people cheering this tech BEFORE calling them hypocrites....? The exact same people who said Kinect was BS before too right?

Should this tech not be announced before even thinking it WILL come out and people WILL praise it?

You are good at self owning mah man.
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Alderney  +   1142d ago
Insomnium...can you read? He's saying that's what he thinks will happen.

I'm betting these predictions come true, but we'll have to wait and see.

Oh and as far as I know those saying Kinect is BS haven't changed their tune :\ Kinect gets its sales from new 360 owners.
Petro  +   1143d ago
Everyone here needs to know that commercials are made by a different company and if they choose so they will make puns like the one in the famous Butler commercial, so this has nothing to do with what SCE has said about tracking, in fact SCE has been developing motion tracking and depth perception for ages and that technology is bound to come out as PlayStation Eye at some point in time.
rainslacker  +   1143d ago
Guys Guys...stop thinking about who came out first...think of the benefits that finger tracking can add to games like Dead or Alive.
BlackWolf  +   1143d ago
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BlackWolf  +   1143d ago
Seems like I did a awful job trying to be funny...
RuleofOne343  +   1143d ago
So now theirs a benefits but in futuristic 2010 Sony time it was laughable & the approval will skyrocket cause it a Sony concept (FKL) how things have changed. ha ha ha ha ha ha

@ExgamerLegends if they have been working on this so called tech since PS2 , days why turn down the tech that became Kinect, if in some way that what they were trying to accomplish . just wondering(would like to hear your thoughts on the subject)
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Sharingan_no_Kakashi  +   1143d ago
Almost didn't see this but...

They turned down the 3d camera tech because it wasn't necessary. The PSEye can't track in 3d but it can predict 3d. The camera knows that if a light gets bigger then it's moving closer to the lens. Also, while I admit that it is hysterical that they'd use the gun-finger demo for this patent after making fun of it, it seems that this camera's aim is bit more than just 3d tracking. As stated in the link, it's a sonar camera. Unlike the Kinect's infrared technology, sonar can detect things around corners. The implications of that are pretty interesting.

But in all honesty people did you really expect Sony NOT to upgrade the PSEye? The ps2 had EyeToy, the ps3 has the upgraded version called the PSEye, and now the ps4 will have an upgraded camera as well. They're always upgrading. Such is the nature of technology.
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rainslacker  +   1143d ago
It was a joke, relax. I'm a Sony fan, and I still find the concept laughable.

Just because Sony does something doesn't mean I'm going to say it's the greatest thing ever. To me motion controls are not the way I want to play games ,given the current technology, and if Sony went with this without having a more traditional input method standard, I would drop them without a second thought.
RuleofOne343  +   1143d ago
So the same company that aired this

is now working on something that will allow you to use your hand as a gun so to speak . talk about Eating crow . ha ha how fk funny.
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RandomDude655  +   1143d ago
Now why would you go and shovel a crow?

Tsk Tsk
Acquiescence  +   1143d ago
Uh oh...
Kevin Butler won't approve.
RandomDude655  +   1143d ago
They were suing him anyway. lol
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Haha123  +   1143d ago
"Pew pew" lol
BattleAxe  +   1143d ago
Biometric I.D. here we come.....This is a precursor to facial recognition software.
rainslacker  +   1143d ago
Could be. People are focusing too much on the finger gun thing without seeing the other ways it could be used. Sony cites one example of it's use and it becomes the only way it would be used. It's like they ignore the fact that Sony patented something that could have a variety of uses in motion control games, or software completely unrelated to games. Whether it adds any real benefit to games remains to be seen.
kneon  +   1143d ago
You don't need anything more than a webcam for facial recognition. There are laptops that use the webcam so that you can log in with your face.
DOMination-  +   1143d ago
My phone does that. I think kinect even signs you in if you stand in front of it
Root  +   1143d ago
Wow Sony are really trying to think outside the box with all these patents they've been making over the past few months.

"once again suggests that Sony are working on a camera akin to the Kinect, with this one highlighting how your fingers could be used like a gun"

Really I thought they were working on a successor to their EYETOY, you know the thing which Kinect basicaly is...expect more advanced.

As long as they don't include it in with the PS4 I'll be fine...I'm not paying for something I don't want to use. If they do take the casual route next gen then you know whos to blame...all the negative articles against Sony about how poorly they're doing. Won't be like that after will it, it will be something like "Sony the last hardcore company", "Why we need Sony back" or even "Sony needs to go hardcore again"
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Sharingan_no_Kakashi  +   1143d ago
Pretty much. Sony has been working on camera tech since ps2. PSEye was an upgrade to the EyeToy and now this new camera will be an upgrade to PSEye.
DOMination-  +   1143d ago
It will be built in to the console. It leaked a while back
onandonandon  +   1143d ago
Don't want to pretend shoot with my finger when I have a gun, just like I don't want to hold a pretend wheel when I have a real one that cost a lot of money and can't be bettered!
GreenRanger  +   1143d ago
So i guess now "Pew Pew Pew" is cool?
As long as it's optional, i don't care.
Persionally, i can't stand motion controls, but it's good that it's there for the people who want to use it, and not being shoved down the rest of our throats.
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GreenRanger  +   1143d ago
kneon  +   1143d ago
No, it will never be cool
Pillsbury1  +   1143d ago
Pew pew power rangeeerrrsss! Those mighty morphin power rangeeeerrrsss!
brettyd  +   1143d ago
i really hope the next gen of consoles isn't motion focused. I know xbox will most likely be but cmon Sony you're our last hope.
BlackWolf  +   1143d ago
Oh, the irony....
Megaton  +   1143d ago
Console gaming is doomed. These idiots just copy bad ideas from each other.
GreenRanger  +   1143d ago
The day this nonsense becomes mandatory is the day i'm done with consoles.
I would switch to PC gaming in a second, but i don't know anything about computers.
I couldn't even find the hard drive on a keyboard.
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Pillsbury1  +   1143d ago
But yet your able to summon the dragon zord?!
patriotZero  +   1143d ago
Bang Bang by Liquid Ocelot
Lvl_up_gamer  +   1143d ago
Just another copy cat idea from Sony who first laughed at it when MS was doing it.

Typical Sony. Fresh out of ideas desperately trying to figure out what has been successful for their competitors and copying it.

What next, charging for online features like being able to download In The background?
Root  +   1143d ago
What the hell are you on about...and Microsoft didn't copy Sonys eyetoy. Hmmm yeah...exactly

Sony comes up with good original ideas, look at their gaming libary for example, they love original IPs. The same can't be said for MS can it

Honestly... ¬¬

EDIT: Below

Flower, Journey, the eyetoy at the time, The Unfinished Swan , Uncharted's cinematic third person shooter story which pushed video game story telling instead of doing what everyone else was continuing to do...I could go on
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Lvl_up_gamer  +   1143d ago

So Eyetoy isn't just a PC camera which is VERY similar to MS camera that launched with the 360?

Don't say "yeah exactly" when it's YOU that is ignorant on the subject.

Sony hasn't come up with an original idea since the launch of the PS3.

You are shifting focus from console features and additions to IP's simply because you can't stay on topic.

Yes I agree Sony has some SMALL indi games that are unique which only cater to a VERY small demographic. Lets not forget that PS Allstars is a direct copy from NIntendo's SSBBNO. However we are talking about the features they have given to try and sell their PS3 to new customers.

Copied the Xbox Menu button located on the controller.
Direct copy from Nintendo's Wii-mote to make MOVE
Copied Achievements to make Trophies
Now copying 3D motion tracking RIGHT AFTER they made fun of it....

Sony is Desperate with a capital "D". They have had to restructure the company several times to figure out how to save money. Sony just keeps dumping $$$ into new IP's that regardless of how many people on this site like to claim are so amazing turn out to sell poorly. Sony are bleeding money so they are looking at their competition for ideas on what is successful for them.

Expect LESS exclusives come PS4.
Expect a paid membership for online features possibly even for multiplayer. PS+ is just a service that Sony is testing.
Expect a 3D camera for Kinect like titles.
Expect the ditching of the CELL for a more similar build of what MS's new console will be like.

Business is Business and Sony is a Business. Sony NEEDS to generate revenue and they are looking at alternative ways outside of what they are accustomed to to make it. Right now, Nintendo and MS are making hand over fist of $$$ and that is a market that Sony desperately want to be in.

Loyalists need to stop being so blind and recognize that MS, Nintendo and Sony are Businesses and the only reason they want to make their customers happy is so that customers will continue to line their pockets.
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Outside_ofthe_Box  +   1143d ago
You do realize that this is just a patent right? Funny how Sony has filed several patents that I'm sure we can all agree aren't an attempt to "copy" other ideas, but as soon as Sony makes a patent that is identical to something already in the market people are quick to say Sony is copying and are out of ideas? Not to mention people brushed those patents as just that, patents. Why do people choose to acknowledge certain things and completely ignore others, never mind the fact these are just patents and not actual products? I guess the answer to this is to just push their own fanatical agenda.

I'm not surprise that you are quick to harp on this though just as you were quick to harp on the "pay to download in the background" thing, which by the way you can do for free. You can download stuff from PS store in the background, been that way before PS+ was even introduced not that you would know about anything PS related anyway. You don't find it odd that you have a problem with paying to download things in background, but are perfectly fine with paying to play online for a game that you already bought?
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mamotte  +   1143d ago
"Use Your Fingers as a Gun"

Been hearing this promise for many years.
MasterCornholio  +   1143d ago
Pew pew pew
knifefight  +   1143d ago
I came here to post this, haha XD
Nicely done.
jaymart2k  +   1143d ago
Can't wait for the game where you jerk it. Thanks Sony :)
Kennytaur  +   1143d ago
Depth sensing camera sounds like a good patent to hold. It can be used for more than just Kinect stuff. Like better AR.
Knight_Crawler  +   1143d ago
No matter how much you try to sugar coat this, it is a bad idea and I hope to god this patent never see's the light of day.

It was stupid when MS tried it and its stupid if Sony tries it.

Pew pew pew better AR my @$$.
Hicken  +   1143d ago
Sony makes cameras, don't they? A depth-sensing camera is a bad idea because Sony's also in the gaming division? That's like saying it'd be bad for their games if they signed Justin Bieber... Beiber... however the hell you spell it... that it'd mean bad things for the soundtracks of first party games.

You know how Kinect has some pretty cool applications outside of gaming(like in surgeries and such)? A depth-sensing camera, as someone else noted, could be capable of seeing around cornerss, and thus being useful in, say, a hostage situation, so that cops can get a clearer picture than infrared of what's going on in a room.

But no, because Sony has a gaming division, this will automatically be used there.

Hell, it could allow for more accurate glasses-less stereoscopic 3D; though the calculations and tech required would be prohibitively expensive right now, such a camera might be capable of sending stereoscopic 3D images to multiple people, catering to each person's distance and angle from the TV.

Tell me that doesn't sound awesome... oh, wait. You're not a fan of Sony, like many of the others here screaming "Hypocrisy!"

Edited for typo.
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WetN00dle69  +   1143d ago
MS AR tech sounds mighty interesting.
SuperShyGuy  +   1143d ago
Oh wow Sony is doing it again!

First they made fun of Wiimote then come out with PS Move, now they made fun of Kinect ("Pew, Pew, Pew") and will come out with their version.
Cam977  +   1143d ago
This would reignite the side of me hidden since my Primary school days. Wow, Sony!
Fatal-Aim  +   1143d ago
The # 1 reason they didn't follow through with the 3D cam was simply COST. The PS3 was just too expensive at the time to bundle a $100 camera with a $500 and $600 console, so they, instead, went with a cheaper solution, which was a 2D cam and complemented it with the Move.

If you think this is all just talk, then check out a company called 3DV systems and look up something called the Zcam and the date Microsoft bought them out. Next, look this source up on youtube [Project Natal running on PlayStation 2 , 5 years ago] and LISTEN to what he says @ around 22-37 secs in.
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Starbucks_Fan  +   1143d ago
Oh God imagine how the NRA would react to this if this is ever used in video games. They would be on a bitching rampage!
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Drainage  +   1143d ago
poor sony running out of ideas to sell their products
ApexHell  +   1143d ago
sony will improve upon the kinect as the kinect improved upon the eye and the eyetoy.
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