I understand why some people dislike Connor, because he is emotionally lacking and "shallow" but I actually believe that out of all the assassins ubisoft put the most effort into Connor.
I mean, they could have done the same thing they did with Altair and Ezio and just got a well established actor to pretend he was Native American, but ubisoft went the extra mile and made sure each native american character was native american.
Also, they hired vocal coaches in order to properly represent how the native people spoke. I mean, you noticed how everyone spoke very monotone?
Also, Ezio had the benifit of more games, and I think Altair benifited due to his time period, although his american accent in AC1 was ridiculous.
He was designed to be brash and hasty, and personally I think its very interesting. Im not saying people are wrong, Im just backing Connor up, because he doesn't deserve that much hate.
Aveline on the other hand, is utterly forgetable, her accent was so forced it felt amatuerish, and her story is not note worthy except for the fact it hints that the next AC games will feature female characters due to the fact Desmond never found "Eve" and that Aveline is a Descendant of Eve.
So the future protagonist of AC4 will be female, thats for sure.
I know nothing about final fantasy so I can't defend ligthning
Same here, I feel the hate comes from the absence of versus more than anything else. I thought she was ok, she's tough and I thought that was cool plus you rarely see female lead characters.
why do people hate lightning so much (i never played Final Fantasy 13 or its sequel)?, i dont think she can be anyworse than Donte, speaking of which is the only character on the list i hate with a passion, and come on raiden is cool and hes about to redeem himself with MGRrevengeance.
I think many people dislike Lightning because she's bland. Especially for a main character. She spends most of FFXIII being a "tough girl" cliche rather than a well-rounded, three-dimensional human being.
...Though I'd personally say characters like Vanille (FFXIII), Hope (FFXIII), Eiko (FFIX) or Cait Sith (FFVII) were more annoying to me.
Yes she is bland, but more then her being bland her games are bland. Like her they are pretty, but lack anything of substance. If FFXIII was a better game, FF fans would probably like her just fine. It doesn't help that instead of moving on to the next game in the series SquareEnix keeps wanting us to revisit the FFXIII world.
It's worse that actually having us revisit FF13. They actually just re-use the same characters and places without actually re-addressing untied loose ends of the original game. They don't fix the HUGE GAPING PLOT-HOLES in the original game. They never change the effed-up ending to the original game. I actually want to the story of the original struggle to be finished up and polished.
she's a wannabe cloud with no reason to be so depressed throughout the entire game. plus shes boring. but honestly, the short girl with the pink hair and australian accent was 1000 times worse than lightning. she is hands down the worst character i've ever seen in a video game.(and her voice actress didnt help, it sounds like nails on a chalkboard imo)
They really only hate her because they hated XIII. And most hate XIII because of what they heard, not actually what they played.
Those that DID play it and hate the game do so because it's not what they expected/wanted. Getting past their preconceptions might show them a decent game, at the least, but that's never gonna happen.
For me, it's one of the most believable couples (even though they don't kiss and whatnot) in videogames. You can see Monkey changing gradually from "I'll only help you because I'll die if you do" to "I'll help you because what you're trying to do is important" and to "I'll help you because you're important to me".
Trip was weak and controlling. Monkey was just doing it because she required it of him. Getting to her village and seeing the devastation? It didn't impart any empathy from me at all nor seemingly from Monkey. It was that point where you were supposed to believe that Monkey just flipped a switch and started caring for her. I didn't feel it at all. The whole visor thing eventually just felt like a gimmick for gameplay for me as it was used less and less to save Trip and more just as a way to bypass opponents. Trip didn't feel like she was saving me or anything, just being a catalyst for new gameplay elements.
Don't get me started on pulling that water hoverboard from out of nowhere more than halfway through the game.
@cgoodno As you started complaining about gameplay when we were talking about their relationship, it seems that you didn't like the gameplay and this made you automatically not like the characters.
You try to make it seem that seeing her destroyed village and Trip suffering was not enough to make Monkey start caring for her (emphasis on the word "start"). If it wasn't enough, then... what would it take to make his change of stance about her believable to you? Only if she had given her kidney to save his life? Only if she saved his dog from getting hit by a car?
***As you started complaining about gameplay when we were talking about their relationship,***
Their relationship is a catalyst for gameplay. They made them one and the same.
***You try to make it seem that seeing her destroyed village and Trip suffering was not enough to make Monkey start caring for her (emphasis on the word "start")***
Nope. Monkey is a person who is already alone in the world. He has been enslaved by a woman who can't take care of herself, has shown no concern for his safety except when it is to keep her alive, and people he doesn't know are dead just like all the people he left on the ship they were being transported upon at the beginning of the game.
Monkey already has seen death in the world. This is nothing new. The fact that this death happened to someone who has treated him as her slave thing? No. I didn't feel any emotion whatsoever. And, it was such a huge event that they forced upon us.
***If it wasn't enough, then... what would it take to make his change of stance about her believable to you? Only if she had given her kidney to save his life? Only if she saved his dog from getting hit by a car?***
If they had tried to develop a story that made them grow together rather than using one major event in her life that still doesn't bring her to his level. She still has Pigsy. He has had no one forever. They never tried to show how they were more alike. They never put her into a position of saving his life as a selfless act. They never showed how she might have reminded Monkey of someone from his past.
All it was was one big event and that was supposed to _suddenly_ make me feel like Monkey should give a rats arse about this woman who has been using him so far.
Number 1 is Raiden... back when I first got MGS2 and played it through I liked him, it was something fresh. But, now I'm 25 and played it again via the hd collection and I want to reach through my TV and choke him every 5 seconds.
Dude I prefer Raiden in Sons of Liberty over him in Guns of the Patriots.
I liked the idea that he was "trying to be snake", and was still a rookie. He kept failing, and I think thats why I liked him a lot.
But in MGS4 he is this grungy depressing character that mopes around and it seems even worse in MGR based on some of the trailers and his lines in PSABR.
@pozzle Yo pozzle I know my history dont show but I have been seeing your many post along with other obvious names but you got your comment and video game history wrong raiden is not in mgs 3 but in mgs 2 and 4 But aside your mistakes I agree simple jack had more character devolpment this new raiden is too mission oriented but on my side straight up I like the overpowered raiden at least for now he has his place as opposed as "wanna be snake" to me a official snake can be a "snake" for now up to this date kojima intended to play us all and it goes on up to this date
I like Raiden, Ken (I don't Shoryuken spam), Steve, and Rico. And anybody who chats it up on a radio telling cars to crash while setting up ramps and obscene jumps for them to do is alright in my book.
Either had no opinion of or hated everybody else on the list.
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I understand why some people dislike Connor, because he is emotionally lacking and "shallow" but I actually believe that out of all the assassins ubisoft put the most effort into Connor.
I mean, they could have done the same thing they did with Altair and Ezio and just got a well established actor to pretend he was Native American, but ubisoft went the extra mile and made sure each native american character was native american.
Also, they hired vocal coaches in order to properly represent how the native people spoke. I mean, you noticed how everyone spoke very monotone?
Also, Ezio had the benifit of more games, and I think Altair benifited due to his time period, although his american accent in AC1 was ridiculous.
He was designed to be brash and hasty, and personally I think its very interesting. Im not saying people are wrong, Im just backing Connor up, because he doesn't deserve that much hate.
Aveline on the other hand, is utterly forgetable, her accent was so forced it felt amatuerish, and her story is not note worthy except for the fact it hints that the next AC games will feature female characters due to the fact Desmond never found "Eve" and that Aveline is a Descendant of Eve.
So the future protagonist of AC4 will be female, thats for sure.
I know nothing about final fantasy so I can't defend ligthning
FFXIII-3(Lightning's Return) just seems desperate.
Also, about Dante...it's not just his hair.
I like Diana Allers and Starkiller(FU1).
...Though I'd personally say characters like Vanille (FFXIII), Hope (FFXIII), Eiko (FFIX) or Cait Sith (FFVII) were more annoying to me.
It's worse that actually having us revisit FF13. They actually just re-use the same characters and places without actually re-addressing untied loose ends of the original game. They don't fix the HUGE GAPING PLOT-HOLES in the original game. They never change the effed-up ending to the original game. I actually want to the story of the original struggle to be finished up and polished.
Those that DID play it and hate the game do so because it's not what they expected/wanted. Getting past their preconceptions might show them a decent game, at the least, but that's never gonna happen.
Trip was weak and controlling. Monkey was just doing it because she required it of him. Getting to her village and seeing the devastation? It didn't impart any empathy from me at all nor seemingly from Monkey. It was that point where you were supposed to believe that Monkey just flipped a switch and started caring for her. I didn't feel it at all. The whole visor thing eventually just felt like a gimmick for gameplay for me as it was used less and less to save Trip and more just as a way to bypass opponents. Trip didn't feel like she was saving me or anything, just being a catalyst for new gameplay elements.
Don't get me started on pulling that water hoverboard from out of nowhere more than halfway through the game.
As you started complaining about gameplay when we were talking about their relationship, it seems that you didn't like the gameplay and this made you automatically not like the characters.
You try to make it seem that seeing her destroyed village and Trip suffering was not enough to make Monkey start caring for her (emphasis on the word "start"). If it wasn't enough, then... what would it take to make his change of stance about her believable to you? Only if she had given her kidney to save his life? Only if she saved his dog from getting hit by a car?
Their relationship is a catalyst for gameplay. They made them one and the same.
***You try to make it seem that seeing her destroyed village and Trip suffering was not enough to make Monkey start caring for her (emphasis on the word "start")***
Nope. Monkey is a person who is already alone in the world. He has been enslaved by a woman who can't take care of herself, has shown no concern for his safety except when it is to keep her alive, and people he doesn't know are dead just like all the people he left on the ship they were being transported upon at the beginning of the game.
Monkey already has seen death in the world. This is nothing new. The fact that this death happened to someone who has treated him as her slave thing? No. I didn't feel any emotion whatsoever. And, it was such a huge event that they forced upon us.
***If it wasn't enough, then... what would it take to make his change of stance about her believable to you? Only if she had given her kidney to save his life? Only if she saved his dog from getting hit by a car?***
If they had tried to develop a story that made them grow together rather than using one major event in her life that still doesn't bring her to his level. She still has Pigsy. He has had no one forever. They never tried to show how they were more alike. They never put her into a position of saving his life as a selfless act. They never showed how she might have reminded Monkey of someone from his past.
All it was was one big event and that was supposed to _suddenly_ make me feel like Monkey should give a rats arse about this woman who has been using him so far.
I liked the idea that he was "trying to be snake", and was still a rookie. He kept failing, and I think thats why I liked him a lot.
But in MGS4 he is this grungy depressing character that mopes around and it seems even worse in MGR based on some of the trailers and his lines in PSABR.
I miss simple jack
Rose, on the other hand...
Yo pozzle I know my history dont show but I have been seeing your many post along with other obvious names but you got your comment and video game history wrong raiden is not in mgs 3 but in mgs 2 and 4 But aside your mistakes I agree simple jack had more character devolpment this new raiden is too mission oriented but on my side straight up I like the overpowered raiden at least for now he has his place as opposed as "wanna be snake" to me a official snake can be a "snake" for now up to this date kojima intended to play us all and it goes on up to this date
Implying that's the point of the character...
Either had no opinion of or hated everybody else on the list.