Microsoft's GDC keynote speaker, John Schappert, says that Xbox 360 has now sold more than 18 million units worldwide.
Wait did they announce that they ship 17.5 million units world wide at the end of December? And they claim to have shortage during January, and February. So how exactly did they sold 18 millions units? I think he might have made a mistake, and was referring to unit shipped, and not sold.
that's still only 5ook worldwide. Which isn't really that much considering it's a world wide number... I'm not saying that in a bad way. I'm simply saying that it's certainly possible... My question is. How many units are actually in homes? With such a high failure rate on the 360 and so many people buying 2, 3 even 4 or more consoles it makes me wonder how many are actually out there, in homes, in working condition. Certainly a number MS doesn't care about because the more sold the merrier for them... btw: I do own a 360 and PS3 and love them both. I'm actually thinking about upgrading to an Elite soon. But there's no arguing that the failure rate has boosted sales...
But I was talking that it is possible for them to ship 18 million consoles. But MS claim to sold/have 18 million units in homes across the world. Dude you should upgrade to an Elite...well if you have the money too. I find the Elite to be the better version of the 360 and it they one I got.
How can anyone argue this, Sony lowered their forcast to 9.5 and then a month later claimed to have sold 10.5 million. And started boasting that they got to 10 million 4 months ahead of forcast.
No one cried foul, but the minute MS claims 18mln sold, 10,000 inspector gadgets show up and start whining. What a double standard.
I think Sony and MS know what they have sold, so how can some household couch potato that can't even manage his check book (Generally speaking, not aimed an anyone in particular) contest their sells and earnings.
Sony is the only company who reports unit sold , and mciro reports unit shipped...disagree xbox you know its true because its been reported everywhere even your xbox magazine EGM
wouldnt it be technically that shipped to stores is also sold? Considering that stores purchase them from MS to resell so that would imply that the "sold" is in fact sold. If it leaves MS factory to the stores and $$ has changed hands then they wouldnt really be wrong. Now there should be a new graph calld "Purchased" where by it shows exactly that. Purchased units by consumers.
So he sold 2 million units in a week. Look out wii... "rolls eyes"
Thats it PS3 is picking up and we dont even have our Triple AAA titles Yeah were gonna pass you this year
the mart wat will happen when ps3 gets price cut and metal gear solid, grad turismo, killzone 2, whitekight story and tekken 6 come out what happens then. you think sony wont do a price cut and when it does with all the big games come out is over you will probably have a ps3 to
woow this is gonna be tough between the ps3 and the 360
It says "I think that we've sold 18 million" sounds unsure. It's probably 18 million anyways.
Come on, you should have learned this in the sixth grade, if you are going to quote someone, you should use the entire quote; not just the part that benefits you. The quote actually read
"I think that we've sold 18 million, the last time I've checked. 18 million hardware units worldwide,"
Notice the part about the last time I've checked which actually implies that he did check and he say 18 million.
When they said PS3 sold 10.5 million, it was also shipped.
That's how it works. When they sell it to retailers, it's as good as sold to them.
Last time they said they had shipped 17.7 million. So this is no surprise.
Disagree with me all you want. That's just the way it is. PS3 fans want to believe that when Sony says it, they mean sold to customers, and when Microsoft says it, that's it's shipped.
XBOX 360 fans want to believe that when Microsoft says it, it's sold to customers and when Sony says it, it's shipped.
But they both always mean shipped.
No Sony as last fiscal reports, reports only SOLD to consumers, not retailers.
They use to report Sales as in Sales to retailers..
Both Sony and Nintendo reports their sales as, sales to consumers. I believe Microsoft is the only on the reports Sold as in "Sold to retailers".
Sony used to then they switched to recorded sales early last year. Nintendo has always done recorded sales.
If you know that for a fact, then I take it back.
"Sony only reports sold to customers."
I'm a PS3 fan anyway. So better for me.
Cyrus, have you actually read the fiscal reports or are you just repeating other peoples interpretations of it?
Because I have, and all it says is they have changed reporting from production shipments to recorded sales. Nowhere does it say this means recorded sales to consumers. How does Sony record sales for mom and pop shops across the world who sell PS3s? You ever been to a South East Asian country? I have, and some places that sell electronics, ironically, wouldn't know a barcode scanner if you hit them in the face.
Sony has changed reporting from finished product leaving their factory (production shipments) to sales to all resellers across the globe. This might not mean much, but as anybody even remotely experienced in business or finance would know, this is a huge different in accounting.
And I am a Sony fan. But not a blind fanboy.
@Deeznut: in the business world the phrase "recorded sales" means number of units sold to consumers. @Cyrus: Thanx for clarifying things out man. Its always good to read knowledgeable peoples comments.
That's so not true. Different types of businesses use different methods of cost accounting, which affects when a sale is "recorded" on the ledger and/or reported to the government for sales tax purposes. Even within the same industry "recorded sales" can mean different things among sellers, depending on how they choose to count things.
Anyway Deeznuts is correct. I've commented on the same thing before so I won't repeat myself.
actas123, oh yeah? and what business are you in to make such a statement? please indulge me.
I work in the securities industry, reading, analyzing financial reports, statements, SEC edgar filings all day every day. you're telling me "recorded sales" always means sold to consumers? how does a parts manufacturer who only sells to factories have recorded sales, if their product never reaches an end user as it leaves their own factory?
And you did nothing to refute my statement about how Sony is going to go about recording a sale throughout the world. The world isn't like the US. You must see to believe the electronics market in developing countries. The only truly reliable data Sony has is what they collect money on, sold to resellers.
And one last thing. Sold to Resellers is ALWAYS going to be higher than sold to consumers. Shipped from factory is always going to be higher than sold to resellers (but is not an accurate measure of revenue). Why would Sony or MS or Nintendo use a lower number, which is not going to be as accurate, to report their financial well-being. Common sense people, millions if not billions of dollars are made or lost with these financial reports. Corporations are greedy and self-serving, they're going to want to report the higher number if allowed by GAAP.
Please provide information on how they track the data from individual retailers all over the world. Also explain how they get all of those millions of retailers to comply with this procedure. Then explain how they collect and manage all of this data in a timely matter.
It's easy for me to sell something to 100 people and tell you how many I sold to them. But know how many they sold after they recieved them from me would be a whole other game in itself.
I don't buy the statement that Sony and Nintendo are tracking sold to customers. It just isn't cost effective.
yeh i guess ur right and plz no more disagree i had enough of them for today before i wrote a comment saying "yeh i guess your right" and 2 people disagreed with me lol :)
sorry cant help it when ever i see a dont disagree.... Ill give u bubble to make up for it tho ;)
I think this shippment amount will be enough for this year.. according to their sale numbers to consumers even in US.. lol JK ! anyway thats marketing .. who will find out it was 17.831 ... we can say MORE than 18million sold! sold to who?
Yeah, your probably soo right.
MS probably hasnt sold any -- they're just lying about it!
Hahahah! PS3 4 eva!
specifically im a 360fanboy but i rekon ps3 will sell more then 360 and wii and it will be better graphics then 360 by next yr
LOL.. ONLY AFTER 2 YEARS
Well that's still 9 mln. a year. The PS3 sold about the same in one year and PS3 fanboys keep forgetting: the 360 is still 8 to 9 mln. ahead in sales. Please account for me, how many years will it take for the PS3 to catch up? Because even if they sell 100k a month world wide more, in one year they only catch up 1.2 mln. So roughly 8 years then before they are on par. Well lets say they sell 200k a month more. Still 4 years before they're on par. Let's face it: the PS3 at best can get even this life cycle. Although a price drop on the 360 PRemium to 279 or 299 Euro/Dollar in combination with main hardware drivers like Gears of War 2 and GTAIV the most complete version, Ninja Gaiden 2, Fable 2, Too Human, Splinter Cell: Conviction is likely to outsell the PS3 or at least sell on par with it. So no catching up there then
Ahahaha I can see the droids red angry faces about to pop.
Time for SDF to activate.
weren't you the one who was b!tching that sony didn't sold 10.5 million units, that it was ship. And now you are saying the opposite for MS. now isn't that ironic. Edit: @3.4 (Jason 360) Click on my profile, and then tell me to take off my "Sony" glasses again. I was just pointing out the facts that you spread you legs wide open when MS say something. But when Nintendo or Sony say some, they are lying.
Lol, why am I not surprised?
18million in 2 years with a system at a 300 to 400 dollar range is pathetic.
I have not said one word about "shipped" or "sold" in this thread. Now take off your Sony glasses... and clean em, because they are so dirty you can't read.
360 & HD-DVD 4 the win suck on that Sony Defence Force bwhahhahahahaha deeznuutz have spoken
see its like this to be honest 360 has better software but ps3 has better hardware u get what im saying both consoles has something good
I agree. Sony have the better hardware, and MS have the better software as of today. But later this year, Sony will have software that are equal or even better than MS, and will also have the better Hardware. MS really need to build their system better.
But, now that MS has fixed the heat issue with motherboard and component changes, I think you're conslusion is false.
Further, even if you do have one of the earlier, heat-fail prone boxes, you still get to enjoy the software ie: the gameplay and fun.
The failure rate isnt nearly as large as some would like -- even the 3rd party warranty company said it is "around half of 16%", and MS saw that as wrong enough to issue a statement.
If someone does get a failure, Microsoft has extended the warranty and takes care of the problem.
I'm not worried about it.
In the past 2 or 3 months, PS3 has been outselling 360 worldwide. By a small margin.
Next time we hear from Sony, they will say they have sold 11 million. They could have that by the end of the month.
the 360 will be conquered.
Thats due to to the movie watching public. Software sales on ps3 suk big time. PS3 is only bought in huge number for watching movies, now that HD is dead so expect more numbers to increase. This doesnt necessarily mean people will be buying more software.
"according to vgchartz"
According to vgchartz, they have underestimated the Xbox 360 install by 1,000,000 consoles.
According to this Microsoft Executive -- WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WTF HE'S TALKING ABOUT -- vgchartz is broken.
And, MS has sold over 18,000,000 consoles. And, are actually having shortages again due to demand.
That just killed me. 18 Millions sold to retailer uh yeah that right, and including and average consumers who brought 2 or 3 360 because of RROD but not to mention there also some consumer who brought up to 7 360, so that probably count as well so that nice figure there
Keep telling yourself they do and that is why the 360 has such a huge lead on the PS3 if it makes you feel better but the fact is they do not.
guy just calm down ok im a 360 fanboy and i do admit ps3 will sell more then 360 ok dont get me wrong but its true
in that 18m, 90% will sooner or later get RRoD
well lets be realistic here lets use real numbers whats the current RROD rate %20 percent. lets calculate the install base with the percentage of broken xboxes and see what we get: 18million xbox 360s x %20 or .20 = 3,600,000 xbox 360s broken. before it was at %30 percent, but I cant calculate that due to the fact that we need the actual sales at the time when that was released, but you can imagine what 30 percent is already, thats over 1 quarter of the install base, thats ridiculous. i mean just compare the wii and PS3 install base with broken systems they are currently at around %1 so: round 21.65 to approx 22 million wiis 22million (approx number from VGchartz) wiis X %1 or .01 = about 220000 broken wiis, thats acutally nothing 10.5 million PS3s (acutal number from sony) X .01 = 105000 broken PS3s you got to remember that as the install base grows the number of broken systems break as well.
Looks like MS is using VGchartZ for their numbers xD.
MS reports shipped, Sony and Nintendo sold to customers FACT!
18 mil - 6 mil(30% failure anyone?) =12mil(at most!)
haha. thats pretty funny.
Yeah! hhahah Microsoft can't even count ha ha ha.
Every time someone logs into Xbox LIVE they probably count that as a sale too! ha ha ha.
I'm not being a fanboy or anything but thats a big difference in sales especially since they've been throwing out the fact of them having shortages....oh well
And 6 million broke.
ya, their probaly counting the units they ship back to the customers that send in their bricked 360s too....
They sold appx 220K in January...
What's so hard to beleive?
That there was a shortage. -_-
Last week they sold 1,790 in Spain.... less than 4k in Japan...do you see where I am going...lol
And we all know that Spain is the determining factor in the console war.
mmmm... how strange... xbox 360 haters... trying to undermind this news... mmmm... "uhh.. uhhh.. no! [kicking screaming]... no! thatzz [saliva comes out of mouth] shipped not sold!" thought it obviously says, "Sold"... but when Sony says sold it means sold.. but when microsoft says sold it means shipped...
hehe... do you know why most companies go by shipped and not by sold to the consumer?
Do you know why NPD and VGC admit that are not accurate and does not include all "Sold to the consumer"? (damn.. should have to state the obvious)... because they are not able to gather sells data from each retail stores... if I remember correctly they are only able to capture 60%-70%...
So, let me guess... you actually think that Sony is connected directly to all retails stores (even mom and pops small shops) database and they are able to receive notices everytime 1 console is sold?
hah! NPD and VGC are freaken stupid then... how come instead of them spending such more time collecting only 60%-70% of data from major retail stores they just don't ask Sony to give them magical tracking system.
You see... (again this is obvious) companies like Sony, microsoft and nintendo are only able to tell accuraly what they ship to retail stores... and what's funny about this.. is that some companies buy consoles wholesale and resell them to smaller retail stores... so, let me guess.. Sony system connectes to the whole seller buyer which in term connect to the 2nd retail buyer which probably resell to another store... and Sony magical system can tell when the end user buy it.... mmm... yeah!... sure...
Please... tell me.. I am a software developer who write various POS for electronic retail stores and I can tell you retail stores are not require to send sells data to hardware manufacturers for the simple fact that they may not even be buying directly from Sony... nor Sony may have any knowledge of which company or electronic store their consoles will endup.. hense why NPD is only able to account for 60% of the hardware being distributed...
So, tell me... one of you ... where does Sony get these numbers... please I am waiting give me a logical explanation on how Sony tracking system works...
there is a fairy hidden in the console, when you hook it up in your living room and go to bed at night it comes out and flies to Phil Harrison to report the sale.
No need to lie. 1,790 in Spain last week....less than 4k in Japan last week? Seriously..lol
Makes you wonder what percentage in the 18mill work because mine has been sent away twice for repairs.
and now in 6 week 300k more?
wow, Nice job! em.. Not really. =)))
No. You have reading comprehension issues.
They have sold over 18 Million by today, becuase this person said it was over 18M when he checked -- at some point in the past.
I dont know what problem you have.
It could be many more than 18 M by today frankly.
Looks like the 360 is already way ahead of the original Xbox.
Agreed and it will be much more successful this gen and coming in 1st in next gen gaming and second in this gen consoles.
so thats a whopping 18 mil who got screwed with defective hardware
I own 2 360's (an Elite and a Pro) and a PS3 I have owned over 100 360 games and 6 (six) PS3 games. That right there speaks volumes, I want each system to have great games and thrive but I still belive Sony made a BR dvd player First and a game system second.