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Submitted by john2 617d ago | news

John Carmack still believes that a lot of next-gen games will run at 30fps

DSOGaming writes: "Back in May, we informed you about John Carmack's beliefs regarding next-generation consoles. As Carmack said back then, a lot of games that will be released on next-generation consoles will still run at 30fps and not at 60s. Today, Carmack reconfirmed those beliefs, despite the recent rumors about the hardware that will power both X720 and PS4." (John Carmack, Next-Gen)

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Snookies12  +   617d ago
Let's hope not... 30 FPS will get the job done, but 50+ is where it's at. It's like choosing between a minivan and a Lamborghini. 30 frames will always give us a consistent playable game, but it looks SO much better when it's running at a smooth 55-60.

I think next gen consoles can handle doing that, if they can't, well... I'll just stick to PC gaming in that case for a majority of titles.
ardivt  +   617d ago
yeah but in commercials and screenshots you don't see the fps. people want shiny graphics, not many fps. sad fact.
MariaHelFutura  +   617d ago | Well said
Let's be honest, in most screenshots you're not seeing what the game actually looks like. You're more seeing what the developers wish it looked like.
ABizzel1  +   616d ago
It's unfortunate if true, but some games are fine at 30fps. However I need my fighters, hack and slash, shooters, and action games running at 60fps.

RPG's, Open World, Sandbox, and other games would be fine at a solid 30fps considering the type of game.
SilentNegotiator  +   616d ago
Boohoo, 30fps is so terrible!
/s
DOMination-  +   616d ago
Of course as consoles get more powerful the graphics and in games will be better. That's always going to result in frame rate and/or resolution drops. Its always a balancing act and i think JC is right.

People will ve disappointed uf they think most games will ve 1080p60 next gen. But hopefully more will be able to
MikeMyers  +   616d ago
Sadly graphics sell more than performance. Developers will try and push the console graphically at the expense of smooth gameplay. I also expect more games in need up of updates and patches.
vulcanproject  +   616d ago
The choice will lie with developers.

Developers will choose 30 frames because they have been more and more. That is now pretty much irreversible. Graphics are seen as more important than framerate.

Poor graphics are heavily criticised, tearing and framerate less so. Nobody even dare mention the fact Far Cry 3 on console has a wobbly framerate and teary visuals, because it is supposed to be quite good looking.

Nobody on here says yeah but, Game X graphics aren't as good, but at least its framerate and controls are smoother and it doesn't have screentear. No.

All you ever hear is: Game X has teh best grafix!

http://www.1up.com/news/lat...

Next gen will be like this gen, mostly 30FPS, or at least, trying to reach 30FPS in a lot of cases. 60FPS will die out more.
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knowyourstuff  +   616d ago
Targeting higher FPS means you can't push as many polygons, can't run as advanced algorithms for AI, there will be less going on overall at 60FPS because your engine needs to process it all that fast. You will still see some games at 720p, others will be 30FPS, but will have more complexities that go beyond surface level things like FPS. It's all about trade offs, some games that are fast paced need the 60 FPS, others are slower paced and don't need it, as a developer you need to decide for yourself.
AsimLeonheart  +   616d ago
Carmack is probably right. It is up to the developers to choose if they want 720p or 1080p, 30 fps or 60 fps, best possible graphics or decent graphics. They will always have to trade off among these three areas. If they sacrifice 60 fps and 1080p then they can make the graphics even better by using the freed CPU and GPU power. That is why 60 fps and 1080p will not become a standard unless developers want them too.
starchild  +   616d ago
I'm a PC gamer and I really do love the responsiveness and increased clarity that the higher temporal resolution of 60fps imparts.

That said, I think a consistent frame-rate is even more important. To explain, I would take a rock solid 30fps with consistent frame-rendering times over an inconsistent 60fps frame-rate with variable frame rendering times.

For consoles, I think that developers would be wise to target a rock solid framerate, full v-sync, and high-quality anti-aliasing before they attempt to push other graphical elements.

I think most of us prefer stable, clear, high-fidelity image quality over graphics that may have more technical bells and whistles but that are ruined by choppiness, screen tearing, and image-destroying jaggies.
PinkFunk  +   616d ago
Well said starchild.

A locked framerate is very key. 30 FPS as long as it does not dip, results in a great experience. 60 FPS is of course preferable, but I do not mind at all if a developer chooses to push graphical capabilities whilst maintaining that steady framerate goodness.

Balance is important, and optimized coding is important. Screen tearing sucks and framerate dips suck.
BattleAxe  +   616d ago
He's probably referring to the WiiU.
DeadlyFire  +   616d ago
30 fps is sad way to play a game. Any fps dip and instant screen lag.

I do believe alot of games will be at 30fps, but there will be many at 60 fps as well since some say this current level of graphics is more than sufficient way to build a game.

Any super powerful game engine though you will see 30 fps games. Unless somehow Microsoft and Sony aim for 4 Tflops or so and give us something that can almost play 4K games at 20 fps.
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Kingofwiiu  +   617d ago
PC elitist's are already in the next gen , last year...

If you want super powerfull graphics and nothing else , buy a Powerfull gaming PC...
If you want exclusives , Innovation and just generally want a console. Get a console..

@bozebo - I mean good exclusives and good innovation. Sony and Nintendo then....
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bozebo  +   617d ago
"exclusives , Innovation"
... PC then.
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BitbyDeath  +   616d ago
Having so called 'nextgen' machines doesn't help when they have 'current gen' games.
kupomogli  +   616d ago
@BitbyDeath

That's just the Wii U.
landog  +   616d ago
@kingofwiiu

"If you want exclusives , Innovation and just generally want a console. Get a console..."

If you want exclusives , Innovation and amazing graphics and butter smooth gameplay and don't want to miss amazing quality titles get a PC AND consoles....I know it's expensive, but think of it like this

Some guys I know...(I'm in my late 20's) spend $2000 a year on hunting or fishing or going on rock climbing trips, or going to disneyland..ect...ect...ect... .

personally, I go hiking for almost free at state parks when I'm feeling outdoorsey....I go on vacation every few years, not every year...and I get my killing fix in video games, not killing deer (not against it at all, hunting is kinda cool, thats how we used to get food)

BUT....I spend probably over $1000 a year on video games, I have a PS3, 360, psp, ds, wii, gba, ps2 and a BADASS (imo) pc (gtx680, 12gb ddr3, i7-2600k) and over 1000 (literally) video games for all those platforms

I freaking love gaming, I'm not going to miss an amazing title because of fanboyism or loyalty to some company who does not give a single crap about me...

next gen, I will buy a ps4, nextbox and wii u as soon as each respective platform has 5 or so games that i must have...gaming is my hobby, its what i love

my wife loves games as much as i do, same with my brother and both of my best freinds are hardcore into games...

so don't fool yourself into thinking one platform is superior to all the rest, they all have their merits and, its usually people speaking out of jelousy, hating on another system because they don't have it

cut down on the donuts, stop buying $6 coffees, get a second part time job, learn a trade and do side jobs, trade with your trusted friends

if your a gamer, be a gamer, play every good game you can!

-end rant :)
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tehpees3  +   617d ago
This goes on and on and still people want to believe. Your dreams of having true 1080p visuals with smooth 60 fps isn't going to happen.

If you aren't happy with the leap stick with PC. Microsoft and Sony's new systems won't be the type of leap we have had in the past. Eventually you need to put profit above power. It benefits nobody but Epic and Crytek to have super powerful systems. Microsoft and Sony themselves will be selling at losses on the hardware if its still kept on par to Epic/Crytek's "demands".

But they aren't in a business to serve a bunch of power lovers. They are in it to make money. The more this goes on the harder it will become to compete over power.
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Awesome_Gamer  +   616d ago
Dude, it's a fact that next gen console games will run in native 1080p at 60FPS, believe me, I will bookmar this page just to show you that you were wrong next year.
dktxx2  +   616d ago
It's not a fact at all. Modern games could run at 60fps at 720p if devs wanted. They choose better graphics and 30fps over lesser graphics and 60fps. That choice isn't going away next gen.
FanMan  +   617d ago
30 fps was pretty standard last gen it was this gen and it will be next gen. and mini van to lamborghini?? there is a difference but its not that drastic.when i swap between ps3and pc i dont notice fps at all.although i do notice resolution.that is something i want in new consoles. full hd
soundslike  +   617d ago
There was a time, you know, back in the PS2 days where games were criticized for framerate slowdown.

Slowdown from 60 to *30*.

How times have changed
kevnb  +   616d ago
most console games don't even maintain 30 fps.
mynameisEvil  +   616d ago
You don't notice the difference in FPS? Heh, trust me, if you had a copy of a game running at 30 right next to one running at 60, you'd notice a huge difference.
ATi_Elite  +   617d ago
Not this Guy AGAIN!
Somebody tell John Carmack to just STFU!

instead of running your mouth and making silly guarantees how about you go make a BETTER GAME that doesn't run like crap on the PS3 and PC!

screen tear and horrible pop ins is a MESS at any frame rate just like in RAGE that trash of a game you made Carmack!
Tone  +   617d ago
You go and and make a better effort yourself then! ... Its obvious that you have no idea how hard it is to make a game!
Hydralysk  +   617d ago
What? I don't know how to cook as well as restaurant chefs but I'm still perfectly valid in getting pissed if they serve me half cooked discount meat.

That's like saying you can't judge corrupt politicians unless you ARE a politician.

I can understand that it's hard to make a game, but when I put down $60 I expect them to have done their job, not whine about how hard it is. The fact that others can do much better with the same tech is obvious proof that it being 'hard' is no excuse for today's developers...
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BanBrother  +   616d ago
"What? I don't know how to cook as well as restaurant chefs but I'm still perfectly valid in getting pissed if they serve me half cooked discount meat."

Are you sane? John Carmack didn't make Rage, he made the engine, Id Tech 5.

The game wasn't that bad, it was just too ambitous for current gen consoles. Like to see anyone else try and run something that good looking at 60FPS. I don't even like Rage, but I give credit where it is due.\

Plus, I'd take the word of a man who is highly regarded and respected among developers (you know, the people who KNOW what they are talking about) rather than an angry little teenage/immature fanboy.

God help me, if you say you aren't a teenager ANYMORE, I will facepalm myself, as no adult should be thinking so close-minded and idiotically.
The_Infected  +   616d ago
I hate 30fps! If games run at 30fps ill just move to a PC or get the steam box "if it runs most games at 60fps on it" I just like 60fps it's so smooth.
PhantomT1412  +   616d ago
I always find this question if next-gen hardware will be able to run games at 60 fps irrelevant... Of course it is! Just like today's consoles can, but with a certain graphical quality. The framerate of a game (on console) is mostly a design choice, not a techincal one. For example, Naughty Dog choose to make a game that runs at 30 FPS but with good graphical effects and lots of stuffs happening on screen whereas Call of Duty choose the smoothness of 60 FPS over more beautiful graphics.
How powerful the next gen hardware may be, if it can run a game at 60 FPS with very good graphics, it still means that it will be able to sacrifice half of its frame-rate to pump out even more GFX.
Marlec  +   616d ago
The problem is the mainstream don't realize wat fps is, whenever i try to explain it to a console playing friend they just look at me all bewildered. Once i show them there like whoa !! how much is a PC then lol
avengers1978  +   616d ago
I want at least 60 Fps running at 1080p... and I'll keep the same level of graphics we currently have.
neogeo  +   616d ago
Agreed, but I want a shadow or 2. gimmy some better lighting also. It does not have to be super ray traced but the shadows and lighting on current gen are really starting to look dated.
solid_warlord  +   616d ago
This is why CoD sells..it plays better than any other shooter. 20 Million plus every year since 2007.
Statix  +   616d ago
I know many "COD haters" (me included) will disagree with your statement, but you are absolutely correct. Call of Duty has some of the most fluid and responsive gameplay/controls out there of any console FPS, and that is one of the major reasons why the general public finds it such an appealing game to play.

I myself far prefer Battlefield 3 overall as my shooter of choice, but when I play some BF3 right after a play a little bit of COD, it almost feels like I'm playing in slow motion, with micro-stuttering and screen tearing abound, along with less responsive controls.
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solid_warlord  +   615d ago
@Statix

CoD is much faster than BF3..its like comparing a turtle to a cheater. Im sure in PC, the graphics of BF3 is superier but on consoles, COD has better graphics and overall better shooter.

Run and Gun, teamdeath match type of game is what the masses prefer over a shooter that is objective and territory based that BF.

Hell BF3 is no longer in top 10 most played game of XBOX Live lol. COD is the fastest, most fluid game on consoles.
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FlyingFoxy  +   616d ago
60fps is totally smooth, 30 is like slow motion.

That's why i bought a 27" 1920 x 1080 120hz screen earlier this year, as long as i buy the single best vid card every 2-3 years i will maintain a nice smooth framerate.

FPS really does matter, for the people who say it doesn't, try playing a first person shooter and limit the FPS to 30 then unrestrict it,big difference.I personally can't play any games when they run that slow. Just not enjoyable.
neogeo  +   616d ago
I'm a big killzone fan. I played COD online for about 200+ hours and then played killzone again a few months later and all I can say is. UNPLAYABLE!!

I'm not bashing it but it's very hard to go back after your eyes get used to 60fps for HUNDREDS of hours.
You think the majority of console gamers care? I have a friend who loves cod and don't even know what a frame per second is. or even a frame.

A technology and quality expectation increase it seems to get harder for non upgrade-able entertainment systems.

If we want 1080p 60fps devs will have to be willing to not take advantage of extra power.

as console tend to get old and we have a standard of 1080p 60fps devs might want to go back to 30fps.

just saying it seems like they have to really plan more than ever how to use resources form day 1 and years to come. So if steambox is upgrade able then they will have that unique offering compared to other consoles.

I would be willing to buy a $250 - $300 console ever 5 years if it meant keeping up with technology.
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QuantumWake  +   616d ago
720p/60FPS or 1080p/30FPS.

^ That's how I see it next-gen.
ambientFLIER  +   616d ago
Or you could truly try to push out the best possible graphics and do 720p/30fps
QuantumWake  +   616d ago
@ambientFLIER

In my opinion it just starts with the type of games we are talking about. With sports games, I suspect 1080p60. Fast paced FPS games, 720p60. 720p30 for games like say Uncharted or Gears where they are more known for they high quality characters, environments, and intricate texture detail.
konnerbllb  +   616d ago
Imagine if they gave you the option between 720p 60fps or 1080p 30fps via a dashboard setting. I can dream right?
showtimefolks  +   616d ago
i respect this man and all he has done but he has talked more than actually making a great come back into FPS market. this ain't old school days time to get with the program

Rage was one of the biggest disappointments, and the ending felt like they ran out of budget and said ok that's it

on to the point, i believe both next xbox and ps will do full 1080P 60FPS, it also comes down to a developer willing to take advantage of the systems.

what do i know i am just a gamer and he is a gaming legend but sony and ms have to look at future more than present, if sony and ms should learn from xbox360 and ps3 its that in a longer than usual gens, the consoles need to be a little better future proof/

so its not what ps3 and xbox720 can do in fall 2013 but what and how they will perform in 2017-2018. people complain about ps3 and xbox360 because its way old tech so time for an update. and if both companies are panning for another 6-8 years cycle than prepare better
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DwightOwen  +   616d ago
"Next gen" games will continue to run at 1280x720 resolution @ 30 frames-per-second. Bet on it.
charted  +   616d ago
@Snookies12 #1

"I think next gen consoles can handle doing that, if they can't"

Well if they cant, then why should we even consider going to next gen? Next gen should not only be about graphics but also game play mechanics.

current gen XBOX and PS are suited to 30fps to some 60fps.
Gamer1982  +   616d ago
Games will still run at 30FPS on consoles because of consoles specs. They won't be as high as what most people think purely to lower initial costs and get plenty of sales day 1. Also look at consoles now there stuck at 30fps because they are lagging behind and nex-gen consoles may use better tech at launch but by the time devs squeeze every bit of power out of them games will have improved and moved on in terms of power needed. You cannot win..

It's why PC will always be superior in that way, You can get 60FPS+ from day 1 :). As Pcs are evolving every day where as consoles get updated once every few years. It could be steams console which bridges this gap.
Gamer1982  +   616d ago
Games will still run at 30FPS on consoles because of consoles specs. They won't be as high as what most people think purely to lower initial costs and get plenty of sales day 1. Also look at consoles now there stuck at 30fps because they are lagging behind and nex-gen consoles may use better tech at launch but by the time devs squeeze every bit of power out of them games will have improved and moved on in terms of power needed. You cannot win..

It's why PC will always be superior in that way, You can get 60FPS+ from day 1 :). As Pcs are evolving every day where as consoles get updated once every few years. It could be steams console which bridges this gap.

Also think Cormacks hinting here at a lack of power in nex gen consoles as he has no doubt had one and been developing for it for a while now.
Blaze929  +   616d ago
I don't really think we have an economy where the next-gen systems will be a giant leap last this gen compared to last. I think games still might be 30 FPS too. Let's just hope we can get 1080p standard at least.
Statix  +   616d ago
I think 720p will be the more likely standard. Many games this generation couldn't even do full 720p; they do a sub-HD resolution. So if next-generation consoles could maintain even a 720p standard for every game, that would be a leap and accomplishment in and of itself. Yes, it's sad, I know.
chukamachine  +   617d ago
Probably because his game ran at 60fps, with awful textures.

There were some good things in rage.

But you need to make a modern DOOM game.

Also would love to see a quake5 game, with the movement of quake3.

Mp would be epic.
ApexHell  +   617d ago
textures were fine when tweaked.
PhantomT1412  +   616d ago
It was just horrible when the patch wasn't applied but then it was okay (it still had the texture looking awful just after loadings, like Unreal Engine games).
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Tontus  +   617d ago
I feel that 30fps is perfectly fine for most games. I'd much rather have prettier games at a solid 30fps than a game with static environments and poor textures at 60fps like RAGE or any Call of Duty.

The only games that need 60fps are racing simulators, fighters and online shooters. I think they should make it so that console shooters run at 30fps with better visuals for the single player campaign and 60fps with more basic visuals online where twitch responsive controls are more essential and visuals don't matter as much.
Kennytaur  +   617d ago
Next gen consoles will run games that look like current games at 60, but I'm expecting games that look next gen to run at 30.

We shouldn't expect witchcraft.
bozebo  +   617d ago
Correct. Marketing says make the best graphics. Therefore, best graphics for still frames but shit frame rates and games generally looking crap in motion will be the norm again. Don't like it? Don't game on consoles.
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floetry101  +   617d ago
It's simple. Most of the early titles will run at 60fps, then a year later they'll revert back to 30. That is unless Gaikai and server streaming games is a success. That way they can offload some of the performance weight. It's interesting. This console generation has gone on for a long time, and I've since moved away from my PS3 and 360 in favour of PC gaming. They'll need something big from next gen hardware to really revolutionize the industy.
Gamesgbkiller  +   617d ago
yes it will ( at the end of its generation )
Yangus  +   617d ago
Hahaha...
Many next-gen(graphics)fanboys dream, ps4 and xbox720 incredible visuals and all games run 1080p 60fps.

FPS old master say:

"John Carmack still believes that a lot of next-gen games will run at 30fps.."

Hahaha:D
wishingW3L  +   617d ago
and it will happen. Devs will want to make games look prettier and like we have already seen with the 30 frames DMC reboot people can't even tell the difference! Most people say that the DMC reboot is just as fast as the old DMC's. Just look at the bunch of people defending the game on the Demon Sex article of 1000 degrees.... -__-
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Sp1d3ynut  +   617d ago
There was a time when Carmack was the E.F. Hutton of the video game industry. Now, not so much. John, how about you work less on trying to be the next Michael Pachter, and more on making a game that's not an over-hyped pile of garbage...
MadMen  +   617d ago
WEAK
Jdoki  +   617d ago
He's probably right. Rather than reigning in the graphical fidelity and going for rock solid 1080p and 60fps many devs will probably look to push graphics / physics / textures etc to the max - meaning the underlying game engines will still struggle.

Also, some games just don't need 60fps - such as strategy and puzzle.
Npugz7  +   617d ago
Yes they will! 60fps 1080p will be standard! Carmack is just being bitter about consoles.
BanBrother  +   616d ago
And you are dumb.

Games could technically run at 60FPS on consoles today, it just means that the graphics would have to be sacrificed big time.

Next gen will be the same. A 30FPS game will always look better than a 60FPS game, so developers will try and get the best looking game, as everyone knows graphics sell, FACT. I wish it were different, but it isn't.
chadboban  +   617d ago
More and more, signs are pointing to the next generation of consoles not being the significant leap everyone thought they would be. But I'm not all that worried, I have a gaming PC if I want amazing graphics @ 60fps.

But if the past is any indication, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo's first party developers will make exclusives that will make those consoles sing and make them worth owning. Exclusives are the main reason to own a console anyway. I grew up on Sony and Nintendo and they haven't let me down yet when it comes to their games so I'm pretty much guaranteed to get a Wii U and a PS4 for exclusives. Will most likely use my PC for multiplats.
linkenski  +   617d ago
Of course they will run at 30fps

After a year or two, developers will know the consoles enough so that they will try to push the envelope graphically, and then we're gonna end up with most games running at 30fps again.

I'm totally fine with it. Sometimes i even think it's annoying when my pc games run at 60fps, because you can see that some animations were meant to be played at a lower framerate.
RuperttheBear  +   616d ago
'because you can see that some animations were meant to be played at a lower framerate. '

I'm sure it doesn't work like that.
dktxx2  +   616d ago
Actually, animations can have their own framerates, technically. Depends how the animation is done.

However, if the game is running 60fps but the animations are only in 30, that's the sign of a half ass developer, not a knock on 60fps.
ExitToExisT  +   617d ago
If next gen games won't be 60 fps , then i will have to stick with the next gen i am experiecing with a gaming pc that is connected to a HDTV with a x360 gamepad.
Mikeyy  +   617d ago
With most games, no you can't tell the difference. But in FPS games the difference is huge. Thats why its soo much easier to aim in COD, then it is in other games like Battlefield.

I love battlefield but if it had much smoother aiming and a boost in framerate, imagine how many more people would have bought it?

But I do understand what Carmack is saying. Because of peoples obsession with better and better graphics, Developers will keep pushing the hardware until the can get the best graphics possible at a minimum of 30 FPS.
Plagasx  +   617d ago
Next gen COD will be 60fps but will probably still have shitty graphics, lol.
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Tacklebait  +   616d ago
Is it possible to shoot for 45 fps? Or would it be similar to films where you'd loose some sort of cinematic effect as this frame rate. I just don't understand why people talking about only 30 or 60 fps. Thats all.
bobacdigital  +   616d ago
It is pretty much a balancing act to be honest... For a CONSOLE to do 1080p at 60 fps in most games (something that more expensive gaming pcs struggle to even do) it is going to be quite a feat at what the market is willing to pay in a small enough form factor.

As a dev if you had the choice between running something at 30 fps on High to Ultra quality at 720p or 60 fps with medium to low quality at 1080p which would you choose?

Most all the games on the ps3 and xbox right now make that choice by upscaling games from 640p to 1080p. Hell Halo 4 was the first HALO to even run native at 720p which is the reason it struggles to run on split screen when you have friends over.
jivah  +   616d ago
You do realize that consoles great visuals are like a gaming PCs medium setting. So 1080p at medium settings at 60? that's a piece of cake. A 600 dollar PC(if that)and take vsync off and your easily running it at like 100+. On ultra it may struggle a bit cause of the incredible graphics on ultra as well as physics and shadowing and all that good stuff. So to say that expensive PCs struggle on it. yea PCs barely lift a finger
bobacdigital  +   616d ago
That is the whole point of my post.. You have to give some to get some ..... I do realize there are several video options and settings to tinker with to get your desired performance.

What I am saying is as a DEV would you be more inclined to do 720p with ULTRA settings with high AA and AF at 30 fps to get your game to look amazing? Or more inclined to make the game run at 1080p at 60 fps on MEDIUM less eye candy options?

Coming from PC and playing consoles I dont see why people think this gen is going to be leaps above last gen.. The gap between ps2 -> ps3 and wii -> 360 / ps3 was huge only because of HD vs SD...We are now looking at HD vs HD and the difference to most isn't going to be huge for the amount of money a console will cost (400 to 500 range)..

I have a really good gaming PC and the difference between (low-medium) or (medium-high) or even(high-ultra) is not very obvious unless you are looking closely.... Yes if you go from (Medium-Ultra) there will be a decent difference...

It will suck for us if all we get with the next gen is more fps at true 720p rather than 1080p with 60 fps with high settings (which I doubt will be the case)
Dms2012  +   616d ago
I agree that the developers will eventually bog down a game in order to look pretty.
JAMurida  +   616d ago
I don't see anything wrong as long as it maintains 30 frames at all times.
akaakaaka  +   616d ago
this!
and specially is AI and physics and graphics are better at doing 30fps as a min..
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JadedXGamer  +   616d ago
Next gen consoles being the last console gen ever confirmed.
izumo_lee  +   616d ago
Not every game needs to be 60fps though, if you are talking about RPGs & games that do not need to be more precise than 30fps is sufficient. However if more developers are moving towards more action oriented games than yes 60fps will indeed help. That is why i do not think the decision to make for example DMC a 30fps game is a good idea, Devil May Cry has always been a fast paced action game & cutting the frame rate just so you can make cities deform is an odd decision.

I just believe it is what type of game the developer is making that the decisions to make it 30 or 60 depends on. The more important aspect though is to keeping a more stable framerate & reducing any sort of lag that may come with it.
MacDonagh  +   616d ago
Why everybody so salty?

You're going to buy the new console of your choice regardless.
Qrphe  +   616d ago
Expect 1080p but certainly not 60fps as a standard. There is always more ground fir graphics when you limit framerate and resolution.
Npugz7  +   616d ago
Dice have already said BF4 will run at 60fps 1080p on next gen consoles.
Vettur  +   615d ago
dosen't mean that no game will run at 30 fps. In a shooter it's pretty important with high fps, but other games don't require that much imo
Krew_92  +   616d ago
A lot of people don't really know the significant difference between 30 FPS and 60 FPS. I know when I started gaming on PC and played Left 4 Dead I ran at a high FPS, on Xbox I couldn't even play it and can't because it feels too slow for me.

Just like Call of Duty. It's 60 FPS right now on everything, imagine if it went to 30 FPS? It would feel too slow and unplayable for us now.
AlphaTauri  +   616d ago
The choice of 30 or 60fps will depend on the standard that the Console Manufacturer sets for the games being produced. But if left up to each individual game producer, it will obviously vary as there can always be trade-offs between frame rate, resolution, graphics fidelity, AI, polygon count(size of the sandbox and model detail), shader effects and such. How can anyone not understand this?
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