Sony's PS4 Could Lose To The Next Xbox Before It's Even Released

BGR - I love all game consoles equally. My Xbox 360 is used equally as much as my PlayStation 3. The Wii — oh, I’ll just leave it at that. The current generation of consoles is all but over — 10-year life cycle be damned — and new consoles are rumored to be coming next fall. If not next fall, then in 2014.

[-Mezzo-]

It's amazing how everyone consider's 70+ Million Sales a failure.

Anyway, Cannot wait for the PS4, will Pre-Order the day i they start taking it.

[Walker]

PS2 sold over 155+m unit !

[youndamie]

Yea because the PS2 has the best catalog in the history of video games.

[thorstein]

I was hoping Google and this articles author would get together and tell us what stocks to buy over the next year so we will all be billionaires. Since they are such experts on market forces and predicting the inevitable FAILURE of (insert product or company here.)

[3GenGames]

(To PS2 comment) But it also has the most crap of any system, to. Release enough games and you'll get some Gems. The best catalog by ratio of good to crap is N64 (to me.), although some people can't stand any games on the 64, heh.

[darthv72]

could just as easily affect MS's next release as it did Sony. After all...this would be MS's 3rd console.

Nintendo is the only one to brave the 3rd console curse and bounce back with an even stronger 5th. Their 6th is the wii-u so there is still time to see how well it does against its previous systems.

Anyone who doesnt know, the 3rd console curse is an old wives tale about how a companies 3rd system (while superior) does not exceed the popularity of their 2nd. Atari, Sega, nintendo, sony have all felt that. MS is riding high on the popularity of their 2nd system.

It has nothing to do with the technical specs but more about the consumer acceptance and possible desire to switch to something else.

[Dasteru]

153m and that was over 11 years.

March 4th 2000 - March 31 2011.

Edit:

The 360 btw has only sold around 73m so far and everyone considers it a massive success, despite the fact that it took it a full extra year over the PS3 to get that number.

Its typical hypocritical fanboy BS.

- The PS3 launched a full year after the 360 (360 already had nearly 10m sales at the release of the PS3)
- Sold at a price point $200 higher than the 360.
- Supposedly had no games for the first couple years.
- Far lower fail rate, which contributed to a large chunck of extra sales for the 360.

And despite all that is currently only around 3m behind. I hardly consider that a fail.

[MikeMyers]

Quote from article:
"The PS3 screwed up too many times. At this point, the PS4 needs to be perfect out of the door."

The PS3 by all accounts outpaced the Xbox 360 for sales and they did it with a higher price tag for consumers and worse marketing. Yes they started off poorly but turned things around. Ask those who own the system and I'm sure they will tell you they are glad they bought it.

What is it with this mentality of winning and losing anyways? The media is doing a piss-poor job at treating gamers in a mature manner. No wonder we see such immaturity within the forums, it's fed to us daily in flamebait topic headers. This isn't a competition unless you work for these companies.

[Ezz2013]

@dasteru

ps3 is not behind
where did you get your info from ??!! don't tell me vgchartes lol

both are tie in 2nd place now and that's coming from sony and MS
http://www.computerandvideo...

ps3 by now already passed the xbox numbers

[dudeOplenty]

@3GenGames Pretty sure the most crap software goes to the Wii or the DS.

[Hatsune-Miku]

Ps4 hardware power, features, exclusive games and psn will make it the best next gen.

I'll just illustrate one thing which is psn or ps plus. With free psn and then ps plus giving away free games all the time will make it the best. I've accumulated over 30 games for free off of ps plus already and nothing from xbox live other than a helmet for having xbox live. I don't want to lose all my games so ps4 is guaranteed for me first day and a lot of people.

The attitude Sony displays with ps3 having a lot of exclusive games, the console being the most powerful, ps plus and features will make Sony dominate next gen and not wishful thinking that can't be backed up by history or logic. The systems out now is an indicator how the next iteration of them will be and looking at ps vita with its social features along with ps3 is an indicator on how ps4 will be.

Wii had a gimmick and now Wii u has a gimmick. Xbox 360 mainly focus on Kinect so next gen they'll have little exclusive titles but a lot of Kinect games. Ps3 has a lot if exclusive with free online so I expect it to happen on ps4 with a lot of free games on ps plus

[Kevin ButIer]

Good article overall but autor totally missed all the pros that Sony has to be a good contender for the Next Gen... I have strong faith in Gaikai and PSN services overall. Not to mention all the first party developers ready to launch their games into the next PS.

[darthv72]

"The 360 btw has only sold around 73m so far and everyone considers it a massive success, despite the fact that it took it a full extra year over the PS3 to get that number."

While you may think your point is valid, you are only partially right. Expectations of the 360 were nowhere near as high as that of the PS3. Take into consideration when looking at comparatives and put them into the right perspective.

That being said, competition of a console isnt black and white when it comes to one vs another. you also have to look at the popularity of a previous system. case in point. Ps2 outpaced the PS1 by a significant margin. Therefore it is safe to assume that the logic behind the success of the PS3 should be equally successful. unfortunately...that wasnt the case.

PS3 may have sold to great numbers of 70mil but put that up against its siblings that both did triple digits and you will understand why sony themselves feel it is failing when it should be the runaway hit like traditions had shown.

Many reasons why that is. Most would say the obvious is price but they have countered that with a very competitive price point now. another reason is simply...lack of interest in their 3rd system. Surprisingly, there are many who still feel comfortable with the PS2 or had moved onto something else like the Wii because it offered a different style of gameplay. or even the 360 because of the massive marketing that MS put lost of $$$ into.

Whatever the cause, sony knows they will not match the sales of the ps2 let alone the ps1. Unless everything else on the market just stops selling and they are the only choice left.

Now looking at the 360, just compare it to the xbox and see that yeah...it exceeded all sales expectations of the previous system.

@hatsune: "I've accumulated over 30 games for free off of ps plus already and nothing from xbox live other than a helmet for having xbox live."

Really? you never got the free games of undertow, ageis wing, happy wars or even ones like dorito's crash course (an addictive wipeout type of game) or totemball, carcassonne...and a few more?

I wont say PS+ is a bad thing but the games i listed are free and by free that includes even silver members were able to get them and no membership required to play. the free PS+ games require you to be a paid PS+ member to play them otherwise they dont work.

the often confusing comparison between live and + is that live you are paying to play online. Something many arent interested in so therefore they arent live members. with PS+ you are paying for those free games so in essence you are paying to play...period.

To really be a free PSN user would be to actually buy all those "free" games. then you could play them anytime you want with no worry of expired membership and loss of play.

No matter how you try and spin it both services are after the same thing. Paid subscribers that get hooked and cant just easily walk away from what that paid membership offers.

[Rhythmattic]

darth...

Just take PS+ out of the equation and the fact still remains, no matter how you spin it (your words) that on the 360, you have to pay to play inline.

FFS....

[aCasualGamer]

Wow, the Playstation hate usually starts when the console is released, but these articles about PS4 being doomed failure come out a year before the console release. Damn, that's a new record or something.

I know for a fact that a bunch of exclusive titles are in the last steps of production.

How do i know this? By logic of course.

Infamous devs are silent, so are Motorstorm devs, so is the seperate Santa Monica team (only a part of the devteam is working on God of war ascension), so are LittleBigplanet devs (littlebigkarting is basically a Littlebigplanet update), so are Killzone devs, so are Journey devs. I mean i could go on for ever. Uncharted devs already confirmed there are two seperate teams, one working for Last of us and the other on another project. I really doubt FFVersus will be a PS3 title.

So many things point out that Sony will have a great exclusive lineup. And that makes all the difference when choosing a new console. WE know that they won't be too different techwise. Although i'm guessing Microsoft will go the casual route more than Sony, well because of Windows 8 and Kinect. It's no surprise they are going for the casual market, they wanna tap the great market that Apple gave birth to. Sony also wants this, but from what i can tell Microsoft more so.

[andibandit]

Sony is already one foot in the grave. With 7 divisions providing loses and only the gaming division producing a profit the organization as a whole has to cut costs. And they sure as hell cant wait 4 years for the console to produce profit. Fuethermore they seem to have few studios working on next gen titles, and we all know what that means......a repeat of the ps3 launch lineup(insert tumbleweed rolling across the desert)

[LethalToxins]

@darth
"That being said, competition of a console isnt black and white when it comes to one vs another. you also have to look at the popularity of a previous system. case in point. Ps2 outpaced the PS1 by a significant margin. Therefore it is safe to assume that the logic behind the success of the PS3 should be equally successful. unfortunately...that wasnt the case."

Not sure if you meant it this way, but from what you said, the measure of success for a console is its proportional sales compared to its predecessor (Mentioning the 'logic of success' right after the PS2's outpacing of the PS1). So by that logic the PS3 would have had to have sold 225 million consoles to be considered a success... I would speculate it would be impossible given the current economic state and the increased competition from handhelds, smartphones, etc.

Other than that, I'd say MS was the biggest winner this gen (sure I'll get agrees) because whether or not they outsold Sony or Nintendo, the blew away expectations. They're a household name and have made a strong foothold in the market. And they have gained something that maybe worth more than just sales themselves: Respect. They are no longer the joke in the gaming industry. Sony and Nintendo have to respect MS now. Which is good news for all of us because competition benefits the gamer!

Lastly, I can't wait to see what Valve's console is like. <3 can't wait for what the new competition will bring to the table.

[americanGTA]

the ps2 is the 1/3 of the price of a ps3

[nukeitall]

@dasteru:

You can't just look at plain numbers without considering context. Imagine if Windows commanding over 90% market share, suddenly gets less than a third tying with Linux on desktop computers?

MS and Nintendo gained 3-5 the user base, will Sony lost half while dominating which means the Playstation brand weakened while Nintendo and Xbox significantly increased.

The exact reason doesn't matter, because I could have easily said the PS3 offers far more value for a fraction of the real cost of an Xbox 360.

Point being, now there is a third strong competitor and not the laughing stock MS was with the original Xbox.

So yes, PS3 is technically a massive failure for Sony compared to the previous generation.

[hot4play]

I called it yesterday. It wouldnt take long before these kinds of articles to pop up.

Typical MS fanboy desperation.

[Kur0]

over 12 years vs PS3 6 years

[Information Minister]

@ Walker007: What is your point exactly? Are you saying that the PS3's success should be measured by the success of its predecessor, while simultaneously implying that it's acceptable to ignore the PS2's much longer market availability?

And should we expect Spain to win the Euro and World cups in football for the foreseeable future? I mean, considering they are the current champions and all...

I don't care how people spin it, to consider roughly 70 million Xbox 360 units sold in 7 years a massive success, and roughly 70 million PS3 units sold in 6 years a miserable failure is just completely ridiculous.

[knowyourstuff]

LOL the garbage logic used in this article almost made me piss myself.
Besides, the reason this console cycle hasn't resulted in PS2 sales, is because the PS2 fanbase has been divided, with one half buying 360's and the other buying PS3's. In October the 360 just hit 70 million, around the same time the PS3 hit the same mark. Microsoft did an unbelievable job dividing the market and spending billions on marketing and exclusive rights in order to do it.

[AsimLeonheart]

Not every console sells 155+ million and neither every one of them can. By that definition all other consoles released in history are failures. The second thing is that the person on top (Sony) can only come down while the person on the bottom (XBOX) can only go up. That is why the roles reversed this generation. No company can continue to increase sales infinitely. It is impossible and unrealistic to expect such a thing. Finally what the hell is this!? PS4 hasn't even been announced yet and it is already DOOMED based on Google search results for unfinalized names!? This is an absurd and pure flamebait article just to get hits! Vote this site and article down guys!

[Mounce]

Everyone knows why PS2 was so successful, it's not rocket science.

PS2 was the leading-end console. It was like the Wii in sales-success, yet PS2 'HAD' the god damn games, it HAD the library, it had the exclusives, it had the third-party support that weren't going to other consoles unlike this gen.

PS2 was the North American version of what is now the 360(NA simply speaking) Since everyone is like YO LET PLAY WITH MY FRIENDS . . . .They likely have a 360 over PS3... While last gen it was like, everyone knew that 'Everyone'(so to speak) had a PS2 in their home. It was the default console....

This gen? It's sorta, Scattered.... Everyone has 1 of them, 2 of them, or 3 of them, each of them have their Pros and cons and that's not including hardware differences but simply game-differences.

70+ Million is Good.

PSP's worldwide sales are Good.

Vita and PS4 just need to do similar, if it keeps getting lesser and lesser with each Gen, then a problem may be noticed. There is no clear indication at the time that anything BAD as a trend is happening with Sony, not enough information.(And no, Vitas' current sales are still not enough information since it's too early to judge it)

[blackbeld]

"Sony's PS4 Could Lose To The Next Xbox Before It's Even Released"

Could this and that..... One thing is sure. Once you own a PS3 there is no need for a xbox.

But if you own a 360 then you are so jealous at ps3.

I will not buy another xbox cause I can not play online for free!

[Blackdeath_663]

ps2 is the best console ever made, on a completely different league to ps3 and xbox

[kopicha]

It is funny that until today. Fanboy still deny that 360 is actually only popular in US. With that in mind, it comes back to the usual thing. Americans again always assume the whole world evolves around them. Majority of the 70mil units of 360s are sold in US than any other part of the world. I am not going say who is the winner. Only fanboy will do such a dumb and childish thing. We gamers just play the games on where we like as long as the actual game appeal us and end of story. But still I need to point out one thing. Not sure where most people or even certain articles attempt to pull those numbers. Ever since Sept 2012, the worldwide figure of both 360 and PS3 are already at 70mil sales. Let alone it is Dec now closing into 2013. And people still think that PS3 numbers are behind 360? Maybe just for US case yes. But as said US is not only the country that matters. Every part of the world is what that matters as a whole. Also seriously I feel that although this does not apply to everyone. But some people in the US actually aint very appreciative. It is obvious Sony have done a lot for them in terms of deliveries and services. But yet they bash it like a pile of dog poo. Imagine some other part of the world that actually gotten less privilege. And we complain less than the Americans. Sigh....

[DiGiTaL]

Don't remember PS2 costing 599 US DOLLARS either ...

[Anarki]

This has all been said before about the PS3. It's always doom and gloom when it comes to anything Sony related these days...

[ChronoJoe]

Bearing in mind that the PS2 only sold around 100m units at the start of the next generation, though.

The latter 55m or so were sold after the 360 / PS3 released. What I'm saying is the PS3 will probably finish on over 100m units sold also. The PS3 will continue to sell well into next gen.

[nintendoland]

ds sold more ;)

[insomnium2]

@chronojoe

Common sense doesn't work here. Just play along. PS3 and Vita and PS4 are all DOOOMEDZZ!!!

[Stevo91]

I will be buying both like I did this gen and the last gen. They both have there own pro's this war between them both is getting old and boring now.

[JustV]

@darthv72: "I wont say PS+ is a bad thing but the games i listed are free and by free that includes even silver members were able to get them and no membership required to play. the free PS+ games require you to be a paid PS+ member to play them otherwise they dont work. "

When you go to the store and buy something and get something else for free. (buy 1 get one free) Would you consider that as free?
If you pay 49.99 and it last for a full year. And you get games that are worth over 100 dollars...Would you consider that as free?

For me...that's pretty much like free...Because the reality is that you will buy games one day. And the fact that you will get full games like Street Figher IV etc , wouldn't that balance out your 49.99?

[hakis86]

Well, I would love to see the PS4 "perfect" and most powerful so I can stop reading stupid articles like this (claimind the PS3 has only 256MB RAM availible... lol! Everyone that checks wiki knows it 2x256MB).

[thorstein]

Indeed. And I won't get a 720 because I will get the Steambox instead, which will play many games (even Scribblenauts Unlimited!!!)

[NeverEnding1989]

I'll be getting both:D

But seriously, this generation has been a HUGE success for M$ and a hard pill to swallow for SONY. Yes, even tho they are tied. If PS3 beats 360 by 10 million this gen it's still a huge success for Microsoft.

Playstation has been the king of the last two generations, while Microsoft was a nobody in the console wars until a few years ago.

You can bet Sony will be looking to forget about the PS3 as quickly as possible and put all their attention to the PS4.

[Kevin ButIer]

OMG... a new breed of fanbois... Steamboxers

[kikizoo]

lol, exactly.

like the author (comic fanboy) : " I love all game consoles equally"

enough said.

[Enemy]

Statistically based on the games we've gotten this generation, it's hard to be more excited for an Xbox over a PlayStation again. The comparison is borderline comical if we're strictly speaking games.

The "before it's even released" bit goes to show how serious they want to be taken.

[showtimefolks]

Kotaku lol

Sure a system with excellent exclusives will fail over a system that has depended on same 2-3 exclusives also if a full year ahead start couldn't keep ps3 down why would ps4 launching at the same time as next Xbox or even before means ps4 will fail?

Look at vita and you can tell Sony understands it takes a good price point so don't expect anything over $400. Maybe as low as $349 at launch with uncharted 4,GT6, ans killzone 4

Gears of war IP belongs to epic so they can at any time start making gears games for other systems, fable is done

Halo is a excellent franchise
So is forza

Crackdown has potential but MS will never use it right same goes for Alan wake

Also Alan wake IP isn't owned by MS either

COD brand is slowing down so that's MS biggest card. I believe MS will have huge issues this gen because they seem to forgotten about the fact they are making a gaming system before any other home entertainment stuff or smart glass

[Ritsujun]

Halo and Forza were horrible

[showtimefolks]

Ritsujun

no dude halo 4 is a excellent game and so is forza series, i am a GT fanboy but even i will admit it that Forza has done a lot right so hopefully Gt6 will look into doing that.

i want some great community features for GT6, also we don't need 600 generic cars, give us 300-400 excellent cars than 1000

[Thatguy-310]

Exactly!! The 360 isn't so far off to consider the PS3 a failure. If it were ahead like the ps2 was with the others then yea I would understand but that isn't the case. Doubt the next xbox will crush the next ps system.

[Yomiro]

ps4 is not out yet and is already doom.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

"It's amazing how everyone consider's 70+ Million Sales a failure."

yup..

Ms did the same number. BUT..

xbox 360 - released nov 2005 (the hair)
ps3 - released nov 2006.. (the tortoise)

lol

All sony needs is a good launch.

I just want ps4 cuz I need a reliable and long supported games machine. simple.

I refuse to buy a $400+ console then pay and extra $60 for multi-player.

ps4 = $400 + $60 gets me a game + multiplayer. Win!!

This needs to be said again.
xbox has 3 AAA exclusives and 61 kinect exclusives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

720? ha!
"Halo 5 Being Prototyped For Xbox 720"
http://www.cinemablend.com/...

"Don stated that it was Rare's versatility covering kids and adult games throughout the N64 and GameCube era that helped them stay relevant, but having a lot of their mature themed games shotdown created a negative atmosphere within the studio, causing a lot of key talent to part ways with the company."- ex Rare dev
http://www.cinemablend.com/...

Microsoft said "meh needs more kinect"

Rare hiring new developers for Kinect 2 and Xbox 720 games
http://www.digitaltrends.co...

I shall laugheth ones ass off.
ps4 day 1 sorry.

[ConstipatedGorilla]

You need to calm down.

[kingmushroom]

and You need banana chocoLax , and I need a PS4, who else needs something ?

[UnholyLight]

HOW ABOUT EVERYONE STFU AND ENJOY THE SYSTEM YOU HAVE AND THE NEXT SYSTEM YOU WILL BUY FFS. IM SO #^$%ING SICK OF READING ALL THESE STUPID BIASED COMMENTS. SONY FANS WONT UPVOTE REASONABLE STATEMENTS AND XBOX FANS TWIST THE TRUTH (MUCH LESS THAN THE SONY PEOPLE I MAY SAY). WHY CANT WE ALL JUST ENJOY OUR SHARED LOVE FOR GAMES?

[Reverent]

I totally agree with you man, but you really gotta get your caps lock key fixed.

[UnholyLight]

Haha Reverent you gave me a laugh. I was just getting really mad at the stupid comments on N4G and I guess I kinda pointed the finger a bit in it myself..

[Reverent]

Well, it's no problem at all. What you said was spot on, so as long as the contents of your comment was well said, then it really doesn't matter that it appeared that you were shouting, lol.

[Maddens Raiders]

Same bullshit articles, different decade.

[MADGameR]

Same here, why all the negativity already against the PS4? Geez everyone's becoming colder each year. I wouldn't be surprised to see people with robot-like personalitise...as a matter of fact, we're almost there! I have a 360 and a PS3 and like both equally.

[Zhipp]

I thought everyone considers the PS3 a failure because it'll most likely never make back all of the money that Sony dumped into the cell+selling at a loss for all those years. Numbers wise it's definitely not a flop.

[extermin8or]

It's already made it back through the selling of software.... they sold at a loss and sell software at a gain, every game sold they get a small cut from eventually that adds up, I suspect they are at least breaking even on the current price if not making a profit based on it's current pricing anyway...

[Zhipp]

@extermin8or
I know the PS3 is selling for a profit now, and they do make money from games as well, but, from what I've heard, they haven't made enough money in the past 3 years to make up for their $4billion+ losses between 2006-2009.

It's kinda like how the Xbox 360 is believed to be in the green, but the XBOX brand as a whole is still in the red because of the colossal failure that was the original Xbox. Their recent profits are unable to offset the losses they took in the past.

[NeloAnjelo]

It's incredible how people can still give examples of better performing games and list COD and Skyrim as examples... This is the capaility of the developers and not the console itself. Its a known and accepted fact that Games look better on PS3.

But let's Ignore power... How about the games themselves? The first party content is so original and varied it outpaces every other console. There is already two new IPs coming in 2013.

Value for money... Free online, blu-ray built in Wi-fi, HDMI... the 360 had to wait on its third iteration to match this.PS Plus gives you 2 games a month. Meaning you're paying less than $2. a game!

Yes the 360 has a better online, but you pay for it, yet you get ads. And lets not start about the lack of original 360 content.

The only good thing about it is that its cheaper in the store, and that it came a year earlier. And before people jump up and shout fan boy... I own all three consoles. I just prefer the PS3.

[DiRtY]

Well the PS3 is the worst selling Sony console ever. Sony made it to 50% of the PS2 sales by losing about 6 billion USD for it. They really had to push this in the market.

Now Sony is in trouble, so they can't afford to do this one more time.

MS is as healthy as ever and the Xbox 360 is making lots of money. The brand just grew massively over the past 6 years.

And MS has the most 1st party studios with Twisted Pixel, BlackTusk, 343i, MS Victoria, MS Soho, Press Play, etc. all bought or built in 2012.

If they manage to get the best 3rd party support again and offer the best online experience again, the Xbox 3 will be a much bigger threat to the PS4 than the Xbox 360 was for the PS3.

[-Superman-]

PS1 won
PS2 won
Wii Won

Microsoft lost all wars, yet he says Sony loses next war against microsoft? When we look at price PS3 and Xbox 360 when both were released, and Xbox 360 before, and right now Sony sold as many consoles Xbox 360, this means Microsoft lost all wars. So. PS4 will be my pick

[DeadlyFire]

This article is BS.

Fact 1.

PS3 has 512 MB of RAM. Same amount as Xbox 360. Its split into two pools instead of one general purpose pool of RAM.

Fact 2 bad ports from X360 are developers fault. Not Sony's. Its pretty clear that when there is an effort the ports to the system work out pretty well.

It doesn't matter when the console launches if day 1 side by side with Microsoft or a year later. It will still impress and be less likely to give us the red ring.

Sony knows the faults of the PS3. PS4 will make up for them and surpass them in every way possible.

[princejb134]

i think google knows something we don't
im a sony kind of guy
for me to switch over MS must have something that appeals to me, something like free xbox live

[MadMen]

Compared to the PS2 is is a failure, in terms of general sales its not.

Xbox was compared to last gen, which means it was a success, the next system will be compared to Xbox 360 sales if it doesn't surpass it will also be a failure.

Its like a Parent to a Child, you always want your children to do better than you did...not be on par or perform less.

[avengers1978]

There is no way Sony is releasing a console that isn't powerful, and offers more features than the PS3... not saying Xbox Wont be powerful, but for people to think either company is releasing a step up machine is ridiculous. Plus we haven't no real info on the 2 new consoles so the can stop with these articles. I for one just hope that my psn account transfers to the next Gen ps4, and that they keep plus.

[Clarence]

70m PS3 in 6yrs 70m 360 in 7yrs. I guess the 360 us a huge disappointment.
In 7yrs the PS3 will most likely be at 85m. Sony said they want a 100m PS3s sold. Name any other console that has accomplished this on their 3rd console out.

Bull$hit article. It's not Sony's fault that developers don't use the full power of the PS3.

[Consoldtobots]

I think alot of people are gonna be in for a rude awakening at how quickly MS will exit the console business. My God even Vanity Fair had a 5 page article on all that is wrong with MS. "How MS lost it's mojo", look it up, Im sure you can find it. To sum up 5 pages into one sentence I'll just say that MS has become the PERSONIFICATION of corporate america. SLOW, FILLED WITH PETTY POLITICS AND NOT A FUN PLACE TO WORK. This is coming from their own former and current executives and managers.

I bet no one here has any idea that MS actually worked on the E-book reader concept back in the late 90's only to have management shoot it down because it "didn't look like windows". If Gates had one ounce of ability to think outside the box he would have jumped all over but instead folded the RD group into another part of the company where they had to show immediate profit. LOL

This kind of myopic arrogant thinking is what has kept them WAY BEHIND the competition when it comes to innovation. They used to be able to outmuscle you moneywise but that isn't even true anymore as now APPLE dwarfs MS in size. My oh my how times have changed.

[imdaboss1]

isnt the ps3 even out for the 360 in numbers of sale right now? Last time Sony was behind by 2 million units..i dont know how they goin to say ps4 will be doom lol crazy 360 fanboys

[wastedcells]

This E3 should be the best ever. PS4, Next Box, ouya, steam box and hoping some Wii U games. Personally I am very excited for PS4 because of the GAMES.. That's why we buy consoles. I'm hoping everyone pulls out their best games in development this E3 and the result is amazing. Can't wait to see what every console maker has coming for their new systems... Especially Sony. Would also like to see an epic HD Zelda and Mario from Nintendo. Only then once we know wtf is going on can we make guesses at who will be on top but even then it's only a guess.