Developers Have Squeezed Every Bit Of Juice From The PS3 - Divnich
NowGamer: "As we quickly approach next-gen, more and more developers claim that they've "maxed out" the consoles. But just how true is that? Is this just hyperbole to get us excited about their games?"
(Next-Gen, PS3, Sony, Xbox 360)
"But what of Sony's PS3 which, according to the console manufacturer, was meant to have a ten-year lifespan. It's only been six years and we're hearing regular rumours surrounding the PS4.
"I haven't heard Sony talk about their ten-year lifespan for their gaming products in a while," says Divnich, "I don't necessarily know if that is even true given how rapidly technology has been evolving."
Divnich doesn't believe that the PS3 was ever really intended to last ten years, however, and that Sony has managed extremely well to keep its console relevant for five years, let alone ten.
"I think their ten-year rule is more of a stretch goal and a metaphor for their approach to building technologies that can stay relevant years after its release.
"Phones become obsolete in two years, computers in three. If Sony can continue to build platforms that remain relevant five years after release, I'd consider it a job well done.""
This has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen a "Professional" in the gaming industry ever say. I don't even know where to start. I swear the world is suffering from an endless spell of intelligence loss. No one, with moderate intelligence, expected te PS3 HARDWARE-WISE to be a top performing console for 10. The 10 year life cycle for PlayStation systems simply means that Sony and other developers will continue to publish games, produce content, and support the console for up to 10 years. The PS4 is rumored to come out in 2013 meaning the PS3 will be 7 years old by then. Is it that hard to believe that multiplatform games will continue to be developed for the PS3 and possibly 360 seeing how they have install base of over 70 million each, and consumers still purchasing them when neither have reach the Golden $99 price point. I swear people are getting more and more ignorant each day. This is how the world ends, the ignorant will vastly outnumber the intelligent, and eventually they'll destroy the earth.
ok here is my idea. Aliens, no the Borg are about to destroy the Earth. They send us a message that says the human race has 1 year to make ps3 run a game in 1080p 60fps and look amazing or they will blow us up. So every country and programmer on earth use trillions of dollars and man hours to squeeze ever bit of juice out of the PS3. I wonder how the game would look.
A lot of developers claim they max out consoles yet Naughty Dog always comes around with a better looking game with better AI and better gameplay. Most developers just don't ustise consoles to they're maximum capibilities it seems. Well sometimes at least.
current gen consoles have been maxed out ages ago the reason why naughty dog comes up with better games each time is because they know what to do with the power and how to make a better looking game. the lastofus looks way better than uncharted but no because it has better graphics but because naughtydog used clever lighting affects and made a more vibrant environment. Developers need to relise that while console power is a limiting factor, creativity has no bounds. developers who blame the hardware either have ambitious ideas or have ran out creativity (which is usually the case)
I want The Last of Us, but it doesn't look like much of a step above Uncharted. It's a different sort of game and experience, but it's not a night and day difference.
Every developer says they've maxed it out. Then we see that they find new innovative ways to get a little more out of it. I don't think it's truly maxed out yet.
Who cares if the PS3 has been maxed out? It's been six years and we have only just seen the PS3's true potential with games like Uncharted 3, Killzone 3 and the upcoming The Last Of Us. We have games like Heavy Rain and God Of War 3 looking just as great now as they did back then. Also God Of War Ascension looks amazing. I'm really not bothered if the PS3 is now maxed out because it's been 6 brilliant years.
I have heard that before and then more amazing games come out... God of war 3 was unbelievable but the new looks better and adds the MP... naughty dog delivered an epic franchise with uncharted and look to be outgoing that with last of us... it may be that these developers know more tricks now, or that the PS3 still has more power to give... either way there are some very impressive games coming out. Long LIVE PLAY
But, there's not many games that look like U2 or U3 for that matter so the Last of Us being a step up, even a tiny one, is a damn good thing. Shows what competent devs can still do this late in the PS3's life cycle. If it's maxed out for one dev, there will always be another to come along and push the PS3's limits a little bit further.
no it doesnt run on oranges. all electric devices run on smoke. once theres a short and you let the smoke out, it doesnt work anymore- thus proving everything runs on smoke
well than how come ND keep improving from one game to another? i don't think any developer can max out ps3,xbox360 just because its a learning process. you look at ND for example from uncharted 1 to 3rd to now lat of us.
than you look at gears of war 1 to 3rd to now judgement
most of the top developers new tricks throughout the development period and some can be used right away other they use for their future games
And the naughty dog develops last of us ..and shows just how much tripe certain developers talk which then inturn makes you think how untalented certain development teams are if naughty dog can once again set new standards with graphics on hardware other developers Claim is maxed out!!!
shows there talents or lack thereof plus there lack of ideas thank God for david cage and the naughty dog team plus the team behind journey
but ND themselves CLAIMED they maxed out ps3 with UC2 but in fact they didn't
but now consoles are def maxed out just look at Beyond, Crysis 3, MGS5 and Watch Dogs they reached the limit, i don't think devs can go beyond that level this gen, i'm talking about consoles of course
Of course you wouldn't know anything about game development j-blaze. ANY developer can use 100% resources - using them efficiently is a different story.
To be honest, as much as I am looking forward to the last of us, I think it is not that much of a step above uncharted 3. I think Beyond is the epitimy of what the ps3 is capable of. I think it can't get any better than both games on the system. God of War asscession is also an honorable mention. I honestly think the PS3 was "maxed out" with metal gear solid 4. That game is still amazing till today.
maxed out doesn't mean they cant go with different style and produce better looking games , rockstar can say they maxed out consoles with v but they still can make better looking game , it's about the idea of the game , they maxed out the idea on the console , the idea is gameplay not graphics , uncharted about the story and graphics , less gameplay in it compared to gta , you see what i mean ?. it's about what the developers focus on , they have to sacrfice a factor of the game to make the other special...
but still they have a point , this generation is over in making impressive games , games in this generation are just an upgrade to the other games in this generation , they are not a step forward because of the limit of this generation consoles ..
What Naughty Dog can do is work within the hardwares limitations. They know the restrictions and are more than capable of still producing good games within those restrictions. Give them less restrictions and their options open up.
One of the best games this year was The Walking Dead but that game wasn't great because of its technical abilities. It was very limited but the story and premise is what made it so great. Naughty Dog can make great looking games but don't expect a wide open premise from them like Far Cry 3.
i guess im wrong , naughty dog can make huge open world with pc graphics and strong story with smart AI in ps3 right now but they just don't want to make it -.-
@IDeath489 It's a known fact that "open-world" games are extremely costly not to mention the amount of time to build one. If we were to go by ND standards, it would be within the range of GTA-type budget which requires about 5 - 7 million sales to break even.
Wii had the most garbage but your wrong. Nintendo ALWAYS maxes there systems out.
1. super mario galaxy 2- advance lighting, particle effects, fur shading, reflections, this game is just a beast on the Wii. 2. Super mario galaxy 3. Kirby epic yearn- this game has some of the most impressive animation. 4. Muramasa 5. Fragile dreams 6. Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword 7. A boy and his blob 8. Monster hunter tri 9. Xenoblade 10. Metroid prime 3
U didn't prove my point right, do you even read the comments before you comment?
"usually only first party rocked out world:)"
Thank You:)
Majority of the games u named are first party:) With the exception of some that didn't use the wii hardware to it's fullest... I'll give you xenoblade though, that game was awesome.
Also don't get ART direction confused with graphics:)
I don't recall seeing any launch PS3 games that look like the last of us either. It's stupid to compare the graphics for a system at the end of its lifecycle to one that's just starting.
"It's stupid to compare the graphics for a system at the end of its life cycle to one that's just starting."
Here's the problem in your argument. The Wii U is a a next gen system. There is not one game on the Wii U (a Next gen system) that looks better than even Uncharted 2 which is on a last gen system. See the problem here? You're trying to make an excuse for a system that's being comparable to a 6 year old tech. I don't recall any PS2 game look better than Resistance Fall of man or Warhawk. Sure game graphics crap on them now but not one PS2 game looked as good as resistance and Warhawk. The best on the Ps2 was maybe Resident evil 4 or Black.
I'm sure some of you will tell me but it's harder to build hardware when we're this advanced into this gen. Umm no I can make my games look 10x better on my PC as opposed to my Ps3. There is always improvements to be made.
Next Gen is long over due already! Games just don't excite me this gen especially seeing what can be done on pc consoles need to move on to there succesor.
Console were probably maxed out a long time ago. People keep confusing art with graphics. The Last of US looks great but its mostly the art. Graphically, its not doing anything better than Uncharted 2.
You are right in terms of the amount of polygons on screen. A lot of Uncharted 3 was flat surfaces but they had some really, really, really, detailed textures and in all honesty that's fine. But graphics aren't just about the amount of polygons on a screen but there's also animation. The real push with The Last of Us, speaking technically, is the lighting and the AI.
"The real push with The Last of Us, speaking technically, is the lighting and the AI."
I agree with that. It definitely has made some advances in the AI department. My point was that graphically it isn't blowing other games out of the water the way some people say it is.
finally, more and more people start realizing PS3's maxed out already. And maxed out doesn't mean there will be no more LITTLE improvements. It just means there won't be BIG improvements. Period.
Good for the developers. Question is, have they squeezed out every bit of juice from their creative story writing & gameplay developers for what they can fit within current specs?
Well I guess its time to bring on. Console Wars Generation 8: Clash of the Fanboys.
Off topic: When a cell procecessor is utilized and complemented well it can run 1.5X faster than an Intel Core i7. (Although it does not perform at the same level)
If we kept getting games that were on the same graphical level of the Killzone , Uncharted, God of War, Heavy Rain, Metal Gear Solid,..... I could care less if its out of juice.
stretch goal is it now? "I think their ten-year rule is more of a stretch goal and a metaphor for their approach to building technologies that can stay relevant years after its release.
"Phones become obsolete in two years, computers in three. If Sony can continue to build platforms that remain relevant five years after release, I'd consider it a job well done."
Its freaking called a "business plan"
you do know what the hell that is right?
its 10 years support cycle , because that is the way Sony has their once again "business plan" set up for playstation product cycle's, you know you have to have one of these "business plan's" made when you talk to know , umm maybe venture capital firms, OR INVESTORS!
WOW stretch goals? that's like calling Microsoft Windows OS support business plan support cycle of 10 years for each copy of windows a stretch goal!
God of War 2 is the best looking game on the PS2. God of War: Ghost of Sparta is the best looking game on the PSP. God of War: Ascension will max out and be the best looking game on the PS3.
I know a lot of people think The Last of Us looks amazing but if you look at the actual gameplay they've shown it doesn't look any better than Uncharted 3. God of War: Ascension has been in development for a far less amount of time so by the time we see what the final code looks like in the single player it is going to blow everything else away! Remember how average God of War 3 looked at E3 then the final game came out and almost looked a generation ahead, expect a similar improvement for God of War: Ascension.
This is said every year around this time... Great developers can figure out creative tricks to make games look better. These consoles are maxed in terms of mathematical numbers per say, however developers can still make a better looking game with great gameplay...they just have to reshuffle resources elsewhere and take away from others...the great devs do this without us even knowing.
There are loads of optimizations tovfree up resources all sorts of new engines that use different tech to build worlds polygons and solid mesh geometry is the most inefficiant method I know of videos and other new ideas take less memory . and its that that's at a premium
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This is the same bs the news does that gets us thinking how they want us to.
I am having fun now and will look to upgrade when i get bored.
Who, the feeble minded?
Please... Don't act like you ain't impressed with the last of us. People gonna hate what they don't got, or can't get lol!
"I haven't heard Sony talk about their ten-year lifespan for their gaming products in a while," says Divnich, "I don't necessarily know if that is even true given how rapidly technology has been evolving."
Divnich doesn't believe that the PS3 was ever really intended to last ten years, however, and that Sony has managed extremely well to keep its console relevant for five years, let alone ten.
"I think their ten-year rule is more of a stretch goal and a metaphor for their approach to building technologies that can stay relevant years after its release.
"Phones become obsolete in two years, computers in three. If Sony can continue to build platforms that remain relevant five years after release, I'd consider it a job well done.""
This has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen a "Professional" in the gaming industry ever say. I don't even know where to start. I swear the world is suffering from an endless spell of intelligence loss. No one, with moderate intelligence, expected te PS3 HARDWARE-WISE to be a top performing console for 10. The 10 year life cycle for PlayStation systems simply means that Sony and other developers will continue to publish games, produce content, and support the console for up to 10 years. The PS4 is rumored to come out in 2013 meaning the PS3 will be 7 years old by then. Is it that hard to believe that multiplatform games will continue to be developed for the PS3 and possibly 360 seeing how they have install base of over 70 million each, and consumers still purchasing them when neither have reach the Golden $99 price point. I swear people are getting more and more ignorant each day. This is how the world ends, the ignorant will vastly outnumber the intelligent, and eventually they'll destroy the earth.
Developers need to relise that while console power is a limiting factor, creativity has no bounds. developers who blame the hardware either have ambitious ideas or have ran out creativity (which is usually the case)
And when I can't tell we need new consoles.
God of war spin off is not much better than god of war 3.
256mb ram over 7-8 years? Face it it's over..
I am starting to think aqueezing out more means decreasing other things. Resolution seems to be the most popular.
Once your stuck at 720p in 2012 your maxed out.
OR
They could go back to 480p and squeeze out more juice! Yeah!
We could forget ext gen and get better ps3 graphics at 240p 24fps?
Could work. lol
Time for this quality
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It's been six years and we have only just seen the PS3's true potential with games like Uncharted 3, Killzone 3 and the upcoming The Last Of Us.
We have games like Heavy Rain and God Of War 3 looking just as great now as they did back then.
Also God Of War Ascension looks amazing.
I'm really not bothered if the PS3 is now maxed out because it's been 6 brilliant years.
2009: We've squeezed every bit of power out of the ps3.
2010: Yup this engine pretty much maxes out the hd consoles.
2011: There's nothing left now. We've finally maxed the consoles.
2012: Yea there's not even 1% of power left.
2013: The Last of us, Beyond: Two souls, Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes etc....
Long LIVE PLAY
why is PS4 in development at all if there are plenty of juices left?
Consumers are stupid, most of them will buy anything if you slap "New And Improved" on the box
If I had a nickel for every article titled this way re: one's favorite console I could've bought myself a new SuperSlim by now.
"Mmm, Tangy!!!" LoL
than you look at gears of war 1 to 3rd to now judgement
most of the top developers new tricks throughout the development period and some can be used right away other they use for their future games
shows there talents or lack thereof plus there lack of ideas thank God for david cage and the naughty dog team plus the team behind journey
It is just PR bull when someone says a console is maxed out with their game
but now consoles are def maxed out just look at Beyond, Crysis 3, MGS5 and Watch Dogs they reached the limit, i don't think devs can go beyond that level this gen, i'm talking about consoles of course
http://gamer.blorge.com/200...
Of course you wouldn't know anything about game development j-blaze. ANY developer can use 100% resources - using them efficiently is a different story.
http://www.thatvideogameblo...
but still they have a point , this generation is over in making impressive games , games in this generation are just an upgrade to the other games in this generation , they are not a step forward because of the limit of this generation consoles ..
One of the best games this year was The Walking Dead but that game wasn't great because of its technical abilities. It was very limited but the story and premise is what made it so great. Naughty Dog can make great looking games but don't expect a wide open premise from them like Far Cry 3.
why disagree ?. >.<..
It's a known fact that "open-world" games are extremely costly not to mention the amount of time to build one. If we were to go by ND standards, it would be within the range of GTA-type budget which requires about 5 - 7 million sales to break even.
Here is what they meant to say:
"We've maxed out the ps3 to the best of OUR abilities, which are in no way flawed".
^ is believable.
This goes for both ps3 and 360 btw:)...and Wii.U...but I mean why bring in the ugly duckling?
1. super mario galaxy 2- advance lighting, particle effects, fur shading, reflections, this game is just a beast on the Wii.
2. Super mario galaxy
3. Kirby epic yearn- this game has some of the most impressive animation.
4. Muramasa
5. Fragile dreams
6. Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword
7. A boy and his blob
8. Monster hunter tri
9. Xenoblade
10. Metroid prime 3
"usually only first party rocked out world:)"
Thank You:)
Majority of the games u named are first party:) With the exception of some that didn't use the wii hardware to it's fullest... I'll give you xenoblade though, that game was awesome.
Also don't get ART direction confused with graphics:)
"It's stupid to compare the graphics for a system at the end of its life cycle to one that's just starting."
Here's the problem in your argument. The Wii U is a a next gen system. There is not one game on the Wii U (a Next gen system) that looks better than even Uncharted 2 which is on a last gen system. See the problem here? You're trying to make an excuse for a system that's being comparable to a 6 year old tech. I don't recall any PS2 game look better than Resistance Fall of man or Warhawk. Sure game graphics crap on them now but not one PS2 game looked as good as resistance and Warhawk. The best on the Ps2 was maybe Resident evil 4 or Black.
I'm sure some of you will tell me but it's harder to build hardware when we're this advanced into this gen. Umm no I can make my games look 10x better on my PC as opposed to my Ps3. There is always improvements to be made.
I agree with that. It definitely has made some advances in the AI department. My point was that graphically it isn't blowing other games out of the water the way some people say it is.
go squeeze your selfs guys :P /s
It does not matter if the console is maxed out. It is important that great games are still released before we finally can move on to next gen. ^^
The PS3 is alien technology
Console Wars Generation 8: Clash of the Fanboys.
Off topic: When a cell procecessor is utilized and complemented well it can run 1.5X faster than an Intel Core i7. (Although it does not perform at the same level)
"I think their ten-year rule is more of a stretch goal and a metaphor for their approach to building technologies that can stay relevant years after its release.
"Phones become obsolete in two years, computers in three. If Sony can continue to build platforms that remain relevant five years after release, I'd consider it a job well done."
Its freaking called a "business plan"
you do know what the hell that is right?
its 10 years support cycle , because that is the way Sony has their once again "business plan" set up for playstation product cycle's, you know you have to have one of these "business plan's" made when you talk to know , umm maybe venture capital firms, OR INVESTORS!
WOW stretch goals? that's like calling Microsoft Windows OS support business plan support cycle of 10 years for each copy of windows a stretch goal!
Lmao.
http://n4g.com/news/1101413...
I think people should determine that first!
I know a lot of people think The Last of Us looks amazing but if you look at the actual gameplay they've shown it doesn't look any better than Uncharted 3. God of War: Ascension has been in development for a far less amount of time so by the time we see what the final code looks like in the single player it is going to blow everything else away! Remember how average God of War 3 looked at E3 then the final game came out and almost looked a generation ahead, expect a similar improvement for God of War: Ascension.
Great developers can figure out creative tricks to make games look better. These consoles are maxed in terms of mathematical numbers per say, however developers can still make a better looking game with great gameplay...they just have to reshuffle resources elsewhere and take away from others...the great devs do this without us even knowing.