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Submitted by Theyellowflash30 1157d ago | opinion piece

The Valve Console will Severely cut Microsoft’s Next Generation Console and game Sales

By Furious Francis editor-in-chief

Gabe Newell has announced that Valve will be jumping into the console wars next year, with console built for living rooms. This machine is to directly challenge Microsoft and Sony’s next generation consoles. With Valve creating a console, there will be major repercussions throughout the industry. Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo will all be affected one way or another. We think that Microsoft will ultimately lose the most sales for a variety of reasons. Hit the link to find out why. And Please comment on what you think. (Microsoft, Next-Gen, Nintendo, PC, PS3, Sony Computer Entertainment, Valve, Wii U, Xbox 360)

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antbolton89  +   1158d ago
Good points but they will only matter if the steambox sells well
Theyellowflash30  +   1158d ago
Yeah, I'm really interested to see the next generation of games. So many questions?

Can the Wii U keep up?
How Powerful is the Steambox?
PS4 and Xbox 720 graphics features?

Such a fantastic time to be a gamer. Makes me thank god I was not born in the 1700s or something.
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NewMonday  +   1158d ago
one advantage that Steam could have with 3rd party publishers is that it takes less royalties from them.

if I get this right Valve only takes a stake in games as a retailer, while with console games the platform holders take about 12$ and the retailers also take 12$, leaving only 36$ fro publishers and developers. so with steam they can have as much as 48$ per 60$ game.
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Qrphe  +   1157d ago

But Steam is already ripping the benefits of those royalties /

Valve will have the dedicated gaming console with the most dev support and library in history once they release.
2pacalypsenow  +   1157d ago
No its not now there's 4 consoles to choose from unless you ca buy them all
bicfitness  +   1157d ago
The Library is the big thing. If they can add console style controls to even 1/2 the PC games they offer, they will have a library larger than any of their competitors right off the bat that is friendly to a console audience. That's the big coup. And it works for people like me that have a PC/ HDMI out setup too :)

Cautiously optimistic for what Valve can offer.
metroid32  +   1157d ago
ps4 rumoured to be using HD6670 same as the Xbox720,Wiiu confirmed E6760/6770 hybrid. Look it up i say the 6770 rumours are to do with the E6760 having half the terraflops ie the rumour that Nintendo made the gpg run at 1 terraflop for UE4,the 6770 runs at 1.2 terraflops/6760 at 576 giggaflops basically half so think a E6760 that runs at 1 terraflop.
Kennytaur  +   1157d ago
Doesn't Steam claim as much as about a third of the price though? I believe I heard that somewhere.
zebramocha  +   1157d ago
@metroid32 No its not,the only console to have that was the next xbox but that turned out to false after those leaked documents hit the net and Sony's rumored gpu is to have 1800 gflops of performance,that's either an underclocked radeon 7970m or a slightly cut down radeon 7870.
Veni Vidi Vici  +   1157d ago
Most PC games already allow for controllers and they use the Xbox360 controller as their default. If a game doesn't support controllers, it usually means the game is too hard to play with a one. ex. Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, etc.

Instead of asking, "If they can add controllers..", you should be asking, "Will they still be allowing keyboards and mice?"

If they still allow keyboards and mice, people playing with controllers are in for a world of hurt for certain game genres. FPS's, RTS's, ARPG's, etc all perform better with mice. You simply cannot match the speed and accuracy of it and people playing with a controller will suffer huge disadvantages to those playing with a KB+M.
shaun mcwayne  +   1157d ago | Funny
If you were born in the 1700s you would probably still be excited, as that was when the steam engine was developed.
1Victor  +   1157d ago
whaaat don't you know how fun was the yellow flash and poke a dead body back in the 1700
darthv72  +   1157d ago
only MS being potentially affected? I mean if there is a new system coming on the market, you can bet that pretty much all existing systems and companies would be taking notice. Not just 1.

On a side note, it would be really funny if this new valve project is actually backed by MS.

As if Ms would not directly bow out but fund the development of another system with another company at the helm. It somewhat makes sense (in a strange way).

i mean MS designed xbox live in the way it is before Steam took a similar approach. So obviously the live layout was something of a blueprint for Steam to use to grow to what it is now. Even sony has studdied live and how it works.

People can be pissed at MS for who MS is but some of their ideas have gone on to help lay the groundwork for other companies today. No doubt there would be a PSN but perhaps it was the way MS made live that influenced Sony to develop PSN the way it is now. Same with Steam.
noorbert  +   1157d ago
yeah, thats the main benefit of not being born in the 1700s
LocutusEstBorg  +   1157d ago
It doesn't matter how powerful it is. By simply running on desktop nVidia drivers, the rendering quality and image sharpness will be 5x better than any console, regardless of the graphics level settings.
Cam977  +   1157d ago
"Can the Wii U keep up?" That is what I want to see, I really think it will because Nintendo have some worthwhile exclusives and the casual players will probably enjoy it. Nintendo are not rhino, they're doing what they always do so in this case, of course they'll succeed with the U.
showtimefolks  +   1157d ago
so is this gonna be digital only?

I know Valve have some core fans and i am one of them but when a new company enters the business to compete with old dogs who already have built in name recognition its a hard battle early on.

we still know so little if anything about next xbox/ps4, i would also think that both systems will support 100% digital day one, sony actually bought a company for stuff like that.

its just gonna be great at E3 2013, i also believe wii-u will suffer more than anyone else.
MikeMyers  +   1157d ago
Steam's main issue will be exclusive content and being digital only. Other than that they have pretty much everything else going for them. When it comes to smaller games and indie titles Steam is King. They also have the upper hand in value for software and software support (patches and fixes). What Microsoft will do to trump Steam is marketing. Steam doesn't have the retail penetration nor the marketing budget.

I myself would prefer Valve doing better than the other console makers but I have doubts they will be a major competitor outside of the already existing PC community.
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slapedurmomsace  +   1157d ago
Will the steambox offer physical games you can buy? Or just straight downloads?
nunley33  +   1157d ago
Retail won't sell it if it's just a digital box to play your steam games on your tv. This will end up being just a niche product aimed at it's current users, it's mostly them who know what steam is. Valve will struggle for name recognition and retail space, which is a high premium. It would require billions from valve to establish it as a real competitor which they may not be willing to spend.
andibandit  +   1157d ago
The steambox will steamroll the other consoles. I quit pc online gaming years ago because of the cheating and differences in performance of each persons pc. Id go back in a flash if the steambox can level the playing field.
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Bloodraid  +   1157d ago
What are you talking about?

The number of people that are signed into Steam fluctuates between 3 Million and 6 Million depending on the time of day. That number is currently at 5.3 Million and most people in the United States are either asleep or at work.

Seriously, Steam is hardly a niche market, and pretending that it is is ridiculous.
rainslacker  +   1157d ago

Your right, I would hardly call steam niche. It's user base ranges from super casual to ultra hardcore. I couldn't really see the ultra hardcore picking up this kind of thing since they would be more apt to want the most powerful system available, which means they'll build their own. The super casual may not bother with it because they may be perfectly content with however they play now and not see the need for it.

That leaves the middle of the road people. Quite likely a huge number. So lets assume half of them pick up a system, with about 50% more who never heard of steam picking it up. Is that still enough to sustain another viable system on the market?

Steam is popular, and I think they do a great job for the consumers, but they may face an uphill battle in gaining market share, especially going into a new console generation where competition is likely to get fierce. Unless the steamBox offers something that the end user can't get on the PC then what's really the point in owning one if your at least mildly tech minded?
BattleAxe  +   1157d ago
Why wouldn't retailers sell it? Valve releases their own games at retail just like Sony and Microsoft do. Microsoft and Sony also have stores where you can download games. Valve has also released Steam Cards similar to PSN cards or Microsoft Points Cards.

The only difference between Steam and the others is that you don't need dedicated hardware to use Steam. I should also mention that there are games like Modern Warfare 3 and Black ops 2 for PC that are available at retail that use Steamworks, in which case you need to download the Steam Client to play the game.
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miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   1157d ago
This article sucks. Lot's of predictions, future telling and FUD. 3rd party games are going to be better on Steam Box? Says who? How do you know this? Steam online will be better? How do you know this? They have never had a home console. Many consumers are NOT PC gamers. They are CONSOLE gamers.

Joe six pack knows playstation, nintendo and xbox. He does not know Steam. Why would 3rd party games be the choice to buy on a new console nobody has heard of? Steam has been a PC only thing.

Me thinks we are going to have lot's of articles from PC people, that are now excited about consoles. Not saying the author of this article is like that, but I'm guessing lot's of PC only elitist that frown on consoles, are going to be all excited for console stuff.

It's going to be funny.

Don't get me wrong, Steambox could be a great console. Not sure what exclusives that everyone cries about will it have. But it should be a good gaming console. Sucks for our wallets. Now we have to get a 4th console.
Autodidactdystopia  +   1157d ago
im pretty sure it will just be a midrange fixed hardware pc so they can port the steam library to it. it's pretty much up to gabe if they are gonna put really goood hardware in it or just make pc gaming mora accessible to the masses by offering a cheap do it all solution.
rainslacker  +   1157d ago
I literally face palmed for the first time ever when the announcement came out a couple days ago. Not because of the concept, but because of all the comments. For the longest time PC gamers have been touting the virtues of PC's, only to come out and start saying how great a console is now going to be, even though it will be limited by most of the things that consoles are limited to now.

If SteamBox is priced the same as next gen consoles, which is reasonable to assume, there is no reason that the tech inside will be any better than what the others are offering. Valve has quite a bit of money in the bank, no doubt, but they can't afford to take a major hit on hardware just to provide the end user with a high-spec console.

I'm curious about it myself. The lack of physical media bothers me since I'm not a huge fan of DD, but I think the console has merit.

It'll be an interesting experiment and will be nice to see if a full DD platform can gain significant market share. I believe right now Sony, MS, and Nintendo are going to be looking at that statistic more than anything else. If the SB manages to get a foothold and leg up with a DD model, then next gen could really be the last gen for physical media.
Pillsbury1  +   1157d ago
Does this mean no left 4 dead 3 on ps4? :(
shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1157d ago
I hope so MS sucks.. They hardly bring anything new to gaming their best game is a shooter. They make you pay for multi-player, Halo map pack for free was an error.

They only have 2 AAA games(sequels) & 1 AAA game form epic(spin off sequel).

And 61 kinect games in 2 years.

Who better than valve to take their place?

MS(apple wanna be) can go away. Sorry that is how I feel.

They can't even get windows right. Glad it's selling 58% less than win7.

"According to Murphy, Microsoft only wanted Rare for their kiddie games, hence the Banjo spinoffs and no follow-ups to Perfect Dark outside of the niche fan-favorite Perfect Dark Zero. Don stated that it was Rare's versatility covering kids and adult games throughout the N64 and GameCube era that helped them stay relevant, but having a lot of their mature themed games shotdown created a negative atmosphere within the studio, causing a lot of key talent to part ways with the company."

How is Steel Battalion working out?
Remember that big as controller from the first one?
lol kinect.

Lets see what happen next gen when kinect 2.0 is ready right from day 1.

"Rare hiring new developers for Kinect 2 and Xbox 720 games "

Better hope xbox tv doesn't do well.

I am glad I sold mine. I have been waiting since 2007 for a new AAA IP from them and till this day not even one.

The last of Us & beyond will be very good I am sure.

Just saying I want a gaming device.

"Steve Ballmer: Xbox is Not a Game Console"

"Xbox 360 used more for video and music apps than for gaming"
This is the goal anyway.

Online gaming would have happend with or without MS. PC did it way before xbox.

And pc always influences consoles over the years.
Guess that's why xbox did it in the first place.

yes I am trolling with facts. Or am I really trolling then?

With that said I do like xbox controller the best :)

But they have little to offer in the long run.
OR do I have this whole thing wrong?
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JsonHenry  +   1157d ago
I think it will sell well. A LOT of PC guys I know that refuse to purchase a console have all told me that they will without a doubt be supporting Valve's "console" (not really a console, but a trojan horse to put a PC in the living room) because of things like Valve's steam service, sales, and support.

I will be purchasing one. But then again I will also be purchasing the next Xbox and PS as well.
tee_bag242  +   1157d ago
If you currently use steam 'big picture mode' beta you can already get a clear idea what it is. I must say its pretty neat for me since I hook up my PC to my TV.
I'd say Steam will be pushing for more plug and play and default support with controllers and settings.
I know alot of people that will buy a steam box now if the hardware represents good value
otherZinc  +   1157d ago
Please, this will hurt SONY the most:

Nintendo has:
Mario, Zelda, Pikmin.

M$ has:
Halo, Forza, Fable, Gears, Kinect, XBOX Live, & SmartGlass.

SONY has:

SONY has no Halo, Gears, Fable, or Mario, Zelda, day 1 sellers that warrant a midnight release. Also, SONY is having financial problems. SONY cant have a R&D fight & not recoup the funds because the market is thin.

Valve has:
Half-Life & Steam.
That isn't enough to excite the crowd. This is going to be a battle for them
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gdguide  +   1157d ago
Huh? You mention Forza but not GT which sold way more? And Fable which hasn't sold a huge amount? And not PSN?

MS has the most to lose from Steam who has had many of the Xbox "Exclusives", but where PC/PC monitor based. I don't know how many Xbox "Exclusives" were bragged about that were also on the PC. Now that "exclusive" on a console point that MS heavily leaned on is dead.

And while PSN has adopted a way more digitally focused feature set with PSN+, Live still is basically for playing Online like it was in 2005.. Live hasn't changed much at all except for adding streaming services. I can't believe how much they sat back while PSN gave users things like games, and are trying things like free Killzone 3 online.

That's not to say that Sony is doing great. But they are very well positioned for going more digital game wise than XBL IMO and have the studios and exclusive numbers to back them up.
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Platinum_k  +   1157d ago
you listed ALL of 360's exclusive games, yet only listed 1/20 exclusives for PS3. I don't think that's fair at all you very illogical person!
PS. Dumb-ass
pain777pas  +   1157d ago
Word of mouth from US players specifically could hurt MS greatly. This is a major move if there is a TV marketing push for core gamers. I see MS going the Kinect Wii route this gen and Valve, Nintendo and Sony will fight for the core game space. Valve and the Half life brand is strong and will get stronger once that is now an exclusive. Left 4 Dead and Team fortress aswell. I honestly don't see what MS can do but out market Valve to retain market share among core gamers. I think that MS with a Kinect type device will still draw the soccer moms for dance games etc... However, for core gamers all you may need is Steambox and Orbis for the mature core gamer to get their worldwide studio gaming fix. I am PC and PS3 right now and a little Vita on the side so I am truly intrigued and interested in what Valve brings to the table. If they still allow mods to games and hardware I don't see MS being able to compete with Valve among core NA gamers who respect PC gaming.
iamnsuperman  +   1158d ago
It really depends on what the steam box is. There just isn't enough information to really say if it will do well or not/ will cut user base from X. I am slightly worried what market this system is really targeting. The fact parts can be upgraded is actually a dissadvantage to the average consumer and is really only an advantage to the more gaming obsessed crowd (i.e N4G users). So its appealing to a niche market who go on websties like this but do not own their own rig (btw i am part of that market). More information is needed (digital only......) but at the moment I am confused what market (if any) the system really fits into.
NewMonday  +   1158d ago
their is no pressure on the SteamBox, Steam already has millions of hardcore gamers using the service, the console will add to the already existing user base, it will not start from scratch.
iamnsuperman  +   1157d ago
And a lot of those user have their own rigs or a PC that is fine for playing the odd game here and there. Those millions of users all ready have a way to play with steam and especially when it all ready has its big picture mode. Why would they buy the steam box and even valve has said this isn't the target audience
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NewMonday  +   1157d ago
no PC gamer is expected to buy the SB, Valve doesn't need that and it is not their plan (an epic fail if it is), it is like how the iPod was able to play all iPhone games at launch without starting from zero, all games should be cross play/buy with PC.

as for gamers one good thing is that could force MS to re-fucos on hardcore games, in the last few years(post Kenect) it was putting new resources on making casual games, being content with the handful of the established games they have and leaving risks for 3rd party publishers, leveraging their big install base in living rooms and not felling threatened by games also coming to to a locked in PC gaming community, but SteamBox could change that
DragonKnight  +   1157d ago
Steambox won't do very well in my opinion. Think about it. The reason Microsoft and Sony were able to enter the gaming industry and start off really well is a combination of having the resources to throw a lot into entering the industry, and brand recognition. Everyone knows who Sony and Microsoft are beyond their consoles. Can anyone say the same about Valve and/or Steam?

Plus, I can smell the faint stink of piracy looming from behind the Steambox and its likely very open structure. Piracy is a big enough problem on PC and do people think it wouldn't be the same on the Steambox?

Steambox has to go up against big brand name recognition, it has to gain A LOT of exposure from more than just its 4 million users of Steam, and it has to have a library to rival the big 3. It has a huge battle ahead against the big 3. Same with Ouya.
Seafort  +   1157d ago
Steam has more than 4 million users. Most nights it has 4 million concurrent users not total users.

I think the Steambox will do very well. I just hope it doesn't affect their PC store by putting more resources into the Steambox than Steam itself.

Valve are already building the groundwork with Big Picture for TVs and have a section for PC games with gamepad support.

Competition is good and I hope Sony and MS are threatened by Valve move into their sacred territory :)
DragonKnight  +   1157d ago
Why would Sony and MS be threatened by Valve? That's like being threatened by Ouya. You're talking about two multinational conglomerates with decades of brand recognition and hundreds of millions of fans against a small company known mostly by a niche PC gaming crowd and not even for their games but for their online store. Sony and MS have nothing to be worried about from a console that will be a pirate's heaven, will not have the same kind of huge backing that the Big 3 have in games, and has a huge hill to climb in order to even be in the same game as MS, Sony, and Nintendo.

It's funny to see how many people choose to discard reality in favour of overestimating this "console" just because they love an online store.
Ducky  +   1157d ago
^ You've made a few fair points, but please, don't make assumptions about piracy and third party support and then try to pass it off as reality.

Valve has an uphill battle, but they're not as obscure as you set them out to be, especially among people who are more into gaming.
The obvious threat to MS/Sony is that 'core' gamers might be more inclined to jump ship. That's the relatively small pool of people that are responsible for a large portion of game sales.

This isn't as big of an issue for Sony since they at least have free online and some quality exclusives, but Microsoft is put in an odd position. Valve would be able to provide a better online service than XBL (likely for free) while having cheaper games (if they have their own digital store).
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DragonKnight  +   1157d ago
@fatoldman: "don't make assumptions about piracy and third party support and then try to pass it off as reality."

If you don't think piracy is a problem on PC, ask all the devs who refuse to put games on PC because of it. Better yet, ask Gabe Newell what he thinks of piracy. He'll tell you something along the lines of "it's a problem because of.." and then insert something like "DRM" or "low quality games" or something like that. It is an acknowledged problem by the best PC devs out there and that's a fact. Especially when some in the community fly off the handle and pirate games for having GFWL support. As for third party support, in all likelihood it will be minimal due to funding. Steambox will likely mean that devs would have to self-publish because I doubt Valve has the kind of money to publish a lot of games themselves and with the rising costs of development, 3rd party devs will be looking for publishers and what makes you think that those publishers will be inclined to put content on a console that doesn't give them a cut of the money? Someone said in a post about this that Valve only takes a retailer cut, but that's only for Steam. It's a whole different beast when you're talking about consoles.

Then there's the rumoured "digital only" aspect that would alienate many countries that don't have the infrastructure. Don't think that devs and pubs won't take that into consideration. There's also retail stores that would fight that as well.

Too many people are making this out to be the godsend console and quite frankly it doesn't look like it will be if any of these rumours are true. It just isn't there. You say Valve isn't as obscure as I made it seem, but in truth they are. The only people that know them are PC gamers who use Steam and core gamers who've been gaming awhile and it's been said that the Steambox would NOT be for these people. But beyond those people, who knows Valve? Does your mother know Valve? Does anyone's grandmother know them?
Ducky  +   1157d ago
^ Piracy is a problem on PC.
The SteamBox isn't exactly a PC.

The SteamBox would likely use OpenGl, which means that a game made for SteamBox can easily be ported to Windows and OSX. For a developer, this means they can develop a game for one system in mind, and then have it accessible across a broad range of consumers because OpenGL is cross-platform.

If it is digital only, you don't need publishers, and if it isn't, then publishers have the opportunity to have their games available on 3 viable platforms by changing the way they develop the PC version.

Neither my mother nor anyone's grandmother are the target audience for Valve. Just because the SteamBox doesn't target hardcore i7-GTX690-SuperCooled-MasterRa ce PC players doesn't mean the grandmas are suddenly the target audience.

Steam has 40+ million registered users, and they have fans from games like Portal, L4D, TF2, HalfLife and CS (and soon, Dota2). They also have a good reputation among their customers. That's not a bad starting point for someone jumping into the console hardware business.
As for the console being a godsend or not, there isn't enough information to really make any judgement. Most of what you and I are doing is just making assumptions off the few tidbits that we know. I can't fault people for getting excited about it though, as this is something that was unexpected.
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AKS  +   1157d ago
Valve isn't dependent on their user base buying the Steambox the way the other console manufacturers need their customers to buy their new consoles next year. Valve's customers with custom rigs will keep their custom built rigs. People curious about Steam but intimidated by building a rig or locating drivers will have an option to access Steam with the Steambox. I definitely have friends who don't feel comfortable with the idea of trying to build their own gaming PC who will probably be interested in the Steambox.
joab777  +   1157d ago
It could b the death of all 4. With three and this economy and cost of games, i assumed one of the three would die off. Now, a fourth.

I think, though that it could affect pc gamers that have moved from console and use steam. Ppl r invested in their xbox and psn accounts. Nintendo may suffer too. Or, valves new box doesnt take off. Does it come out first, how much does it cost, what r the specs? Itwill have to b markedly better to pry ppl away from years of investment. Over time it may work. Is it worth it for valve to do exsclusives?
Knight_Crawler  +   1157d ago
Have to agree...with Ouya releasing next year and Steam Box to follow I think the big 3 should start worring.

As much as people want to down play smartphones and tablets games, they are selling like hot cakes right now and all they need is a prober console to run these games on the big screen.
Tres21  +   1157d ago
off topic sorry but im actually kind of shocked there is a discussion goin on here thats not bashing each other or a company
Hands Up For Games  +   1158d ago
The SteamBox will Severely cut EVERYONE'S Next Generation Console and game Sales.

This is Valve we are talking about people, Valve!

Ill still be picking up a PS4 and NewXbox though, Valave can bring all the Thunder they want, I still want to play Uncharted, God of War, LBP3, Halo, Forza, Crackdown etc etc.

I want to play Half Life 3 as well though, so it might be Ninty who get squeezed out. For me anyway.
dboyc310  +   1157d ago
A lot of people outside these forums don't even know what steam is. When this console launches a lot of people will just see it as a new console. This console isn't aim for the common pc crowd since they already have that demographic locked in. I honestly see it having an uphill battle since it's the new kid in town. Has a lot to prove.
Norrison  +   1157d ago
I'm pretty sure a lot of steam's users with a PC that needs upgrading will buy it if it lets you play the games you bought on PC; since steam has an enourmous 50 million user base I'm pretty sure that it will give a good boost to its popularity and don't that steam got awesome sales and most new games are at 50$ instead of 60$.

If Valve does it right they might end up being the best selling console next gen, if they don't this may be another dreamcast.
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AKS  +   1157d ago
But Valve's entire success isn't contingent on this device. Console manufacturers usually invest an insane amount of money and then have their success or failure (for perhaps of the entire company, not just the device itself) contingent on that machine selling.

I don't see Valve sinking all their cash into creating something like the CELL or whatnot. If Valve takes the route of using decent but affordable PC parts and sets realistic expectations, they still have their 40 to 50 million customers even if the Steambox never really takes off. They don't go under if their device fails the way other console manufacturers would. As long as they don't get careless about how much they invest in this thing, it's not a huge risk the way it would be for other console manufacturers.
monkey nuts  +   1157d ago

contingent (plural contingents)

An event which may or may not happen; that which is unforeseen, undetermined, or dependent on something future; a contingency.
That which falls to one in a division or apportionment among a number; a suitable share; proportion;
AKS  +   1157d ago
@monkey nuts

Wow, I don't have to say much about how badly you failed here. Maybe you should learn the basics of the English language before you start attempting to correct me. You're way out of your league if you are attempting to give me a lesson.

contingent- dependent on or conditioned by something else <payment is contingent on fulfillment of certain conditions>

Kurt Russell  +   1156d ago
Personally If it's reasonably priced, I'll be converting straight to the Steam box and picking up a Ouya. I may or may not get an Xbox or PS4... but they kinda burnt me out this gen.
Godmars290  +   1157d ago
MS went after PC gamers when they first came into the market, and something like this is going to appeal mostly to that crowd.

Sony's likely going to be affected, Nintendo's still has the family market, but its going to be MS that bears most of the force that Valve's going to bring.

A L4D3 as a SteamBox exclusive will really hurt the NextBox more than the PS4 or WiiU simply because the series has never touched those brands.
blue_flowers  +   1158d ago
its funny how neither Microsoft or Sony will admit anything about their new consoles. its almost irritating because they think the over-saturated gaming market is just waiting to buy these next gen systems. when in reality if your buying an xbox360 or ps3 in 2012 your either broke or not an avid gamer, so for microsoft and sony to assume they will get sales next gen like they did with the ps3 and xbox360 is a joke. people who bought a ps3 or 360 in 2012 for black friday most likely are either replacing a current faulty console or buying their first this genertion, these people will wait another decade to buy the xbox720 and Ps4.

not to mention since the current gen started many wii gamers and casuals are now enticed into buying tablet, phone or other handheld portable gaming devices, these werent around back in '05/'06 to cut into gaming sales like they are in 2013. and now you have ouya and steambox entering the market, plus more triple AAA free to play titles on pc. these are all things that will certainly eat into the gaming customer base that microsoft and sony think they are going to recapture with these new consoles like they did when the xbox360 nd ps3 came out in '05 and '06.

they better release info on the new consoles soon or they really will be in for a surprise come launch when there are still new next gen consoles sitting in stores like the wii u when it released. nintendo is already learning lightening doesnt strike twice. back in '05 there werent wii's left over after black friday, in 2012 there are certainly many wii u's left over. this is an indication these console companies like microsoft and sony need to stop with the secrecy because us hardcore gamers already know they have these new consoles and we will buy them on launch, i hope they dont assume everyone else is as noligable and eager as we are.
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dboyc310  +   1157d ago
You talk like everyone knows what ouya and stembox is. Everything you just stated is so wrong my friend. You do know that this Gen has had the most console sold out of any other gen? Add the 70+ mill of Sony 70+ mill of xbox and 90+ mill of wii's and compare them to the prior gens. Nothing is eaten away their market share. I guess ipad and all the casual stuff is eating away into Nintendo market but Sony and Microsoft isn't in trouble what so ever. Once the consoles get announce everything new to the common consumer that isn't on the Internet will get eclipse. It isn't rocket science to know that the next Sony and Microsoft set of consoles are around the corner you know.
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ab5olut10n  +   1157d ago
Maybe consoles are being bought for kids who were too young for them when they launched? And it's "knowledgeable".
blue_flowers  +   1157d ago
yeah so im sure their parents aren't going to rush out anytime soon after they just bought their kid a console to go buy a newer version of the same product. and thanks word police, don't write me a ticket...
Fishy Fingers  +   1157d ago
Pretty sure it won't effect the current console manufacturers that badly, but it will be interesting to see if we have a 'console' that's not heavily locked down. Basically a PC with the user end experience of a console.
gamern4g  +   1157d ago
I think that MS and Sony are in the deep trouble! Nintendo Wii U has launched allready, it sells more than PS3 at this moment. Quia is coming 2013 march, in june its probably SteamBox time. So if MS and Sony brings new consoles in the end of the year 2013 it shall be too late for them. Gamers have been waiting since 2011 for a new console from MS and Sony, i am one of them. If SteamBox is very powerfull and games are cheap then i will abandon Sony for real! Sony once was very powerfull company but now anymore and if they come to the market last one with new console then its over for them.
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RuleofOne343  +   1157d ago
Am not taking sides , but wouldn't his intention force them MS to move quickly to close their OS or find a way to cut into his profits also. before he even has a chance of getting that hot mess ubunto to work or be accepted. MS being a software giant they probably have tech or software laying around since he became rival. As a person that likes to gamble my money is on the bigger wallet or checkbook if you prefer .
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sway_z  +   1157d ago
I can see Valves PC console as an alternative rather than a threat...

I can recall only 3 games I would miss from Valve, namely Half Life Series, Counter Strike and Portal.

Valve are more likely to offer any future games as timed exclusives to the Steambox...exclusivity for 3-6 months maybe? I can't see them giving up on millions of sales by abandoning the major industry players that is Sony & MS.

If worse came to worse, I think it could affect MS more so than Sony due to the bigger support MS has received from Valve in the past.

In fact, it's precisely the kick up the butt Sony/MS need for next generation hardware & services!
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ardivt  +   1157d ago
Sometimes publishers have to take The risk of ignoring huge parts of The gaming World just to Push The own product. Just Look at what EA did. With making bf3 an Origin exclusive and Not bringing it to Steam
ElementX  +   1157d ago
I really think the Steambox will end up being a joke, probably a mid-range PC at best. I spent $230 on a Geforce 660, a nice upper midrange card, and I can't see the Steambox having anything of that power inside of it. Valve will probabaly want to keep the price low if they want to appeal to the mass market. Current games on Steam, such as Far Cry 3 and even AC3 will run at medium settings and games coming out next year will probably run even worse on the Steambox.
ardivt  +   1157d ago
All console players do now play far cry 3 and ac3 on low settings. That doesn't seem to be a big problem to most people.
DomceM  +   1157d ago
Steambox isnt going to be a $1200 Pc. Everyone knows that. But it *Could* be more powerful than ps4 and NextBox. They are digital only and dont need to spend any money on the blu ray drive. This means less cost to produce and less cost for repairs and warranty caims (less parts that can fail).

If Valve takes that extra money and puts it into GPU and CPU, Steambox can be the most powerful console on the market. Knowing Valve, it will probably be the most easy to code for as well. (They are a developer themselves, if anyone they will know which hardware is the most convenient).

MS should be worried.

Also, while Steam has no recognition among the console crowd, everyone needs to start somewhere. MS did that with XBOX and look where they are now. So arguments that STEAMBOX will fail because its a "new kid in town" dont really carry that much weight.
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AKS  +   1157d ago
I don't think you are going to be part of the crowd Valve would be targeting with the Steambox, nor would I for that matter.

Customers who have been curious about PC gaming but are not comfortable with assembling a rig or tracking down drivers might find it much more interesting, however.

I would expect Valve to use the Steambox as a way to try to draw in new Steam customers rather than trying to go head-to-head with traditional console makers.
Zha1tan  +   1157d ago
The big problem the Steam box faces is reaching out to casual gamers.

Im talking about the people who dont look up any information on games, the people who basically only play COD and sports games on their consoles or the people who buy xbox for kinect or PS3 for its blu ray. Those people wether you like it or not make up the majority of sales for the consoles and its evident if you look at the sales of big exclusive games.

66 million PS3s have been sold and you look at the ratio of sales that each big game has had:

Uncharted 2: 5.5 million
MGS4: close to 6 million
GT4: 11 million

Im not saying they havent sold well but you have to look at the ratio of how many sales the big must have games have had in relation to the platforms actual sales.

And this is NOT and I repeat that for fanboys NOT a dig at PS3, Xbox is the exact same with its big games selling a fraction of the platforms sales.

So how is valve going to compete against the big 3 consoles? Will they be happy with a small portion of the market? or will they have an amazing marketing campaign and put the steam box out there to people who may not even know what steam is or who valve is.

If its a "PC for the living room" im assuming they are going to allow alot of media functionality on the box,
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cee773  +   1157d ago
The uncharted series as a whole has sold over 20 million
Mgs4 sold over five million when the the ps3 user base was less than half of was today
Gt series has sold over 15 million on ps3 (prologue & 5) and still selling
God of war over 5 mil
Heavy rain over 5 mil

Most of these games accomplished these feats years ago again when ps3 had half the user base today
Zha1tan  +   1157d ago
I used one game from each series as it would be evident that the results would be skewed by multiples of the same people buying the consecutive games in a series so for my comparison it was not apt to talk about a series sales.

SO in conclusion dont get all butthurt like im attacking your favourite system and time scale is irrelevant as you would think people buying the system later would contribute to sales of these games which they did.

The main point was how the steam box is going to convince people who are casual or who dont game at all to buy their system which whether you like it or not make up the majority of the consoles user base.

So stop attacking me and disagreeing with me just because I used PS3 game sales as a ratio example, please keep blind fanboyism away from my points which I have actually thought out and constructed.
millzy102  +   1157d ago
steambox won't dammage sales much at all I don't think, Nintendo, PlayStation and Xbox are names everyone in the developed world know not every one knows what steam is, people are either buying the wii u or waiting on Sony's and Microsoft's next offering I know of absolutely no one who is waiting for the the steambox or have heard of it and everyone already has there preference on which companies they like, I see it as being an additional purchase to get next to Wii u, ps4 and Xbox 720, there will be a few people who decide to get this instead if velve make there games exclusive on as gamers buy consoles primarily for exclusives that's why so many people play on multiplatform so that would mean givving up the games you want to play, as for the normal consumer, they don't tend to like interchangeable parts its too much hasstle for the casual crowed which I don't think steam is trying to get, all 3 major console manufactures are after this market as its bigger than the just the avid gamer, I might get one but it will be next to my Wii u and ps4 I'm not missingg Sony's or Nintendo's games for steam but it could be the best multiplatform game system.
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josephayal  +   1157d ago
I don't think Valve will come close to selling what 360 did over its lifetime, NEVER
Garrison  +   1157d ago
Actually now that steam is coming as a console this might help Microsoft more than any other system out there.

You see.. all PC Games, and steam itself is running on guess what? WINDOWS.

What is MS Pushing hard right now? Windows 8.

Have you seen the thing? It's almost a given that the new xbox will be fully compatible or might even easily run the metro UI.

What MS has always wanted was the xbox to be the center of your living room. The new xbox will most likely be more powerfull than the steam box.

It would be funny as hell if MS just went ahead and said: You know what? Here is a fully compatible version of windows 8 on your platform so you CAN RUN STEAM ON IT TOO!


millzy102  +   1157d ago
they wouldn't do that it would effect Xbox game sales bearing in mind Microsoft make no money on steam
Garrison  +   1157d ago
Of course not. They do make money on windows thou. That's MS's baby right there. All the Metro apps and games would work on your TV easy. Not to mention that would make the xbox more fully compatible with all PC'S like MS always wanted instead of using a spin-off UI like the current xbox one.
Steam games are really just PC Games. Steam is just a store and service. Steam even sells "Games for Windows" Compatible games.

It would harm steam more than MS, and might even boost it's live service for PC's if they choose to pursue that again. (And they have before).
Veni Vidi Vici  +   1157d ago
Gabe Newell has stated that he HATES Windows 8. His direct quote, "We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2,500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well. It’s a hedging strategy. I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we’ll lose some of the top-tier PC/OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that’s true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality."

That's why Valve has been working on getting their library to work on Linux. As such, the Steam box will most likely be running on something other than Windows(most likely a custom version of Linux). Newell is looking like he's right about W8 too because the sales of the OS are horrible.

Also, Valve won't allow Steam to operate on MS's console.

MS is in trouble. Not just because of Valve but because of how lazy they've become with exclusive first party titles. They hardly have any when compared to all the others. That's what will drive consumer purchases. Price will also play a factor but no one knows what the prices will be for any of the new consoles so we have no idea how that will turn out.
Ippiki Okami  +   1157d ago
"MS is in trouble" I think you are right. If you seen the latest consumer/product surveys you can see windows 8 and Home PC sales and revelance are terrible. The Iphone name is now more valuable than the whole microsoft brand now.

Valve knows that the traditional Home PC is dead, replaced by the tablet. Valve loves traditional PCs(especially for gaming) so for them its a way to keep it alive. The problem with this is that now Valve can now charge you $400-600 or more for their "PC" and now maybe can charge you for using steam as well. Now Value has nothing holding them back from charging you a premium for their content now. Lets all hope they don't though.
DomceM  +   1157d ago
"You see.. all PC Games, and steam itself is running on guess what? WINDOWS. "

Except for the fact that SteamBox will be running LINUX. So your point is moot.
Garrison  +   1157d ago
Sure it is moot. Because Valve is just going to ditch Windows altogether for Linux of all things right?
Steam's main platform is windows. All it does is run PC Games. No PC Game dev would EVER let go of Windows which holds more than 90% of all computers used in the world to dev for Linux only.
Were you actually serious?

@And whether Gabe want's to or not to run Steam on the next xbox console or not is not up to him at all.
Windows is an operating system which can be used in any "computer" that ms provides the license to. Which it would their own.
Gabe couldn't do a thing about it other than pull out steam from windows altogether which would be suicide.
DwightOwen  +   1157d ago

The whole POINT of the "SteamBox" is to give PC devs a non-Windows option that's easy to develop for on a closed (albeit super badass) system (aka CONSOLES).

It's quite literally the best of both worlds.
modesign  +   1157d ago
are people really going to buy a individua console just to play half life, left for dead, portal, and team fortress, last time i recall that console was called a COMPUTER.
DA_SHREDDER  +   1157d ago
true, but at least with the steambox they will have a proprietary system that people with no pc gaming experience can get without having to install drivers or whatever manually, and the rest is just obvious. To the techies it might be stupid, but this is exactly the competition needs, just like how xbl helped be the blueprint that Sony would work off of.
Mkai28  +   1157d ago
Really, and all those exclusives will be FPS. But look at it this way, if it's just like a PC. Don't you all think it can be upgraded like one, just like Alienwares x51 model?
Smokingunz  +   1157d ago
Gotta love theses analysts man, you gotta love them. Im laughing at some these silly comments aka opinions in here as well. "Steambox" wont be damaging nothing! As an 80's baby, I have seen systems that supposedly suppose to more powerful and better flopped in the past. SB sounds cool and sound like it could be a game changer but they cannot challenged MS. MS is a bully with the bucks. You think MS is not paying attention and wont be stepping their game up? You saw the spanked sony this gen by making a better gaming rid with the best controller snd online the industry has ever seen? You saw how they took all of sony games, made them play and run better on their system? Or how the had all the latest dlc exclusively to themselves for months lol? Are u guys kidding me? Ms will have to step their game up and maybe either make online free, or significantly drop the price from 60 a year to 30 dolllars or something. I would make it freee just to compete. That alone would kill the competition, because everybody knows that ms has the best online.

As far as Nintendo go's, they have the best games, tbey make the best games,they have a strong following of people, they make the best handhelds that actually sells (cough, looking at u sony) and they are the innovators of the industry that everyone wants to be like and follow. Without Nintendo the industry would be lost, so all u Nintendo haters pour out your little cup of hateraid because the big N isn't going anywhere. The only company that mite get hurt is sony! They fell off and are not as big or popular as they use to be. Hell, you dont even see playstation commercials anymore lol. Sony electronics department isn't doing well, the vita is a flop, ps3 is wack too. So what makes u think that they wont be the first to go? Gotta love those sony fans. The sony fans arn't even supporting the vita lol.its been out a year and only sold 2 million lol, come on.

As far as steambox taking out Nintendo and xbox, thats a joke in its self, and something I'd like to see. Thats impossible.
They dont have the ips or a beast online do even do it, let alone the money. Ms deep wallet will make sure it doesnt happen.

On a positive note though, I wish valve well, and if the do come out with a powerful system at a very low, and affordable price, not to mention with free online service, I can see them being somewhat successful. Price is key. Just ask Nintendo. Oh, and last but not least, 720 has 8gi
aliengmr  +   1157d ago
If MS was so great what happened to GFWL? Except for the Windows platform MS's contribution to PC gaming is ZERO. GFWL was pretty much abandoned. Hell EA put up more of fight than MS did.

Games for Windows was an epic failure. MS isn't bulletproof, that much is certain. Don't get me started on Win 8.

Valve has some deep pockets friend and their online service, which has seen 100% growth every year for the past 8 years, has been free from the beginning.

Its not just the "Steam-box" that's coming to the table its also Valve. Valve is different.
Npugz7  +   1157d ago
Microsoft has nothing to worry about! They will have the most powerful machine with a huge fanbase behind them and the same thing with Sony.
hivycox  +   1157d ago
what fanbase do you mean?? Oh I see...they are running for the steambox there. if valve gets 3rd party support for their console it will affect Microsoft...

And even you really thing haveing the most powerful machine will turn out well ??? history showed the opposite
XB1_PS4  +   1157d ago
If Half Life 3 is exclusive to this console. I'm buying it. quick.
Triggytrolls  +   1157d ago
I'll buy one if it offers a decent selection of RTS games. That's one thing I've missed on current gen consoles.

Don't get me wrong, I have enjoyed the small selection of RTS games that have released on the 360, the only problem with them was the player base on such games was so small to the point of after a few months no one was playing. Apart from Halo Wars, but that was terrible.
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GraveLord  +   1157d ago
Yup. There is a huge overlap between PC gamers are 360 owners. If you need any further proof just look at how well Skryim sold or Minecraft.
shackdaddy  +   1157d ago
It's actually the exact opposite. Most PC gamers who do own consoles own either a Nin. console or a Playstation just because both have games which can't be played on PC.
DevilishSix  +   1157d ago
It has been 5 years and still no HL episode 3
and I am now supposed to be excited that Valve can create and keep a console maintained.

Also would this mean valve would not launch teir games on Sony's, MS, or Ninty's consoles....vavle would lose much sales with that move.

I think the whole idea is stupid really. Their are already enough players in the console market, especially since the industry is in retraction mode.
Pillsbury1  +   1157d ago
Half life 3 steam box exclusive would be a very good way to get people buying it.
aliengmr  +   1157d ago
Yea because how ep. 3was handled completely negates every other success Valve has had. Suppose you think Steam is a complete failure too?

And who said Valve would play the "exclusives" game anyway? Don't assume that because Valve makes a console that they will just copy the competition. That isn't Valve's style.

I think people who don't have any experience with Valve will be surprised.
solar  +   1157d ago
Guys all this SteamBox is going to be is a chance for console gamers who don't PC game a chance to play what the PC has to offer in a nice streamlined box.
Roccetarius  +   1157d ago
Powerful Steambox or not, people will want their physical games as well.
L4NCEYJSC  +   1157d ago
Excuse me if I'm wrong but I have not read much about the Valve console. I'm presuming this is going to be a living room PC essentially but Steam has been updated to work on the big TV. With that in mind and very excited about the prospect of having a new ARMA or BF on the PC (turned console) in the living room I would still feel at a disadvantage with my Valve console controller when playing fellow traditional PC players who are using a mouse and keyboard.

Before I get shot down and burn into flames I'm just presuming. I'm not sure what Valve has in store and you may not even be able to play against traditional PC players.

Either way I'm excited and ready for next gen no matter what it brings. Watch Dogs and new Metal Gear please.
Veni Vidi Vici  +   1157d ago
I presented this question in a reply earlier. I'm also wondering how Steam will address the controller issue. Having people play with a console controller is a HUGE disadvantage against people playing with a M+KB.

Unless they come out with a new type of controller that is as fast and accurate as a KB+M, I really don't know how they'll address this.

Personally, I hate controllers for FPS's, RTS's, APRG's, so I'd be willing to play with a wireless mouse and keyboard on my lap. But I know most people aren't so averse to controllers, and in fact, will only play with them.

It'll be interesting to see how they address this.
DomceM  +   1157d ago
I agree with you. I think they will address this by asking FPS developers to include "Controller" only matchmaking rooms.

This way people who game on controllers can CHOOSE to play against other people with controllers if they want to.

KBM vs controller is not even a question. Just take a look at whats happening with XIM (kbm adapter to play on ps3 and 360. Those people are getting like 40-3 every round of "Insert FPS name here").
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Belking  +   1157d ago
This won't hurt xbox at all.
iistuii  +   1157d ago
Hang on, didn't you lot rip into Microsoft for thinking of no used games on the next Xbox , yet that's exactly how steam works. I've got a massive library chocca full of games I no longer play which I could have sold once finished. Steam console will no doubt be like steam is now, no sell on.
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Veni Vidi Vici  +   1157d ago
Like it or not, that's the way the industry is headed. Physical media is dying. The only thing that's holding it back is the lack of quality broadband to everyone. Once that happens, I don't see physical media sticking around much longer. It is a developers best tool to fight piracy.
Rubberlegs  +   1157d ago
Game prices are far cheaper on the PC compared to consoles. For the sales that Valve runs on Steam, your practically buying games at used prices. Also with sites like Greenmangaming you can get the digital version of a new release for damn near half off.
DiRtY  +   1157d ago
Every gamer has a good gaming PC anyway. That is what N4G comments told me when we talked about exclusives.

Now it hurts MS, because these games are available on another console. Which is not even confirmed in any way btw.
Triggytrolls  +   1157d ago
Nope, if I had a good pc I wouldn't be playing on my 360.
LOL_WUT  +   1157d ago
I have a feeling this is going to flop but, I could be wrong. ;)
Saryk  +   1157d ago
I am speculating here!
Slowbrosef  +   1157d ago
Half-Life 3 and Portal 3 Available only for Steambox.

That would be a decent way to generate interest.
DevilishSix  +   1156d ago
Although, I enjoy HL and L4D, I am not going to pay for another console to play their games, not interested no thanks.
RFornillos4  +   1157d ago
with Wii U's eShop being a lot like Steam, Wii U will be fine.
Norrison  +   1157d ago
I don't see how it is like steam, it doesn't have half the features steam has
Veni Vidi Vici  +   1157d ago
Not to mention the great deals that Steam has every few months.
hivycox  +   1157d ago
i think it needs time to build up something like this... the e-shop from Nintendo just got released... Steam on the other hand is in development since it first came out in wasn't perfect either...

Nintendo is fine..;)
animegamingnerd  +   1157d ago
it's cause they treat 3rd party
RFornillos4  +   1157d ago
@Norrison, yes it doesn't. but what you see on the outside, doesn't mean you know what's inside.

indie devs have been comparing the new eShop guidelines and over-all "easiness" to Steam. not to mention Nintendo doesn't charge devs for updates/patches. basically, a dev can release all updates and patches for as many times as they would want, with only some basic guidelines they need to adhere to.

Nintendo's eShop is new, and certainly there's room for improvement. and the way it's happening now is that Nintendo clearly sees the need to change on their part. the fact is, in order for Sony and MS to compete, they'd have to make similar changes to PSN and XBL respectively. just so happens that Nintendo's started the changes early on. so yeah, Wii U will be fine.
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