I agree with grassyknoll on the sandbox and quicktime event based games. I saw gameplay on Beyond Two Souls and the map is really small but the game does look absolutely amazing.
When I first saw the face of the doctor at the beginning I shat my pants at how detailed his face was, as well as the face of the patient being shot under the bed. That's some real realtime graphic fidelity right there.
Beyond does not uses cg, only in game graphics. Same as Heavy Rain. Now that you know that fact, go to youtube and watch the trailer. Remove your computer keyboard from the desk... you may drool all over it.
Quicktime events means you don't have to simulate physics for a lot of objects or even worry about hit detection. It's basically canned animation all the way, so a lot of the overhead is gone.
why is everyone acting like this is the begginging of something "new" creating photo-realistic 3D models were introduced years ago, these people use 3D scanner type techniques. EVEN indie games will reach this graphical fidelity within 5 years
When you're in a small room with almost no interactive objects you can achieve really good graphics, btw those graphics don't impress at all, look at the lack of detail on the scars/wounds, look at the lack of geometry and low res textures on the collar. The character model is flawless but the textures aren't impressive at all. But the trailer of beyond still looks impresive especially the facial animations and the fire.
Now look at phantom pain/mgs5 screens all the character models are high quality, yes there are low res textures but there's more going on screen.
Graphically, this game is amazing, BETTER than Two Souls. Plus Metal Gears graphics arent everything, the gameplay and story is what grips me. They could have dated graphics like COD and I wouldnt care. This is just the beginning too, imagine what it will look like when it comes out!
You can't build a current console gen spec pc today. With what? a gtx 560? 550? with the dx11 only cards sold today? dx9 cards are no longer sold starting 2009.
Was it running in higher than 720p? & 30fps for presentation? I bet.
Ps, i cant wait for the ps4 im tired of my ps3 old tech through we are getting few amazing games starting 2013 I want a ps4 after those games in 2013. Look how beyond looks or gow or lou they all look amazing, devs improve and juice that old technology. I agree new pcs have amazing technology obviously, all you are getting from your investment is just better textures and better fps, for me and I bet for most is not worth the stress and money to stay updated with new technology hi end pcs plus devs are not going to juice or even going to touch half of the real potential your graphics card has and I think that's a shame and I will feel I'm been rip off and is not even fair. That how I see it and that how its.
Plus PlayStation has few amazing devs, pc also have like what two or 3 good exclusive devs for them? And this pc devs don't have the talent that devs like naughty dogs have or santa monica, they do have the advantage on technology and only few use that advantage. But the artistic talents are most on the PlayStation and a couple or one on the xbox(the new halo looks good) but the rest are multiplataform devs that will never use whatever your hiend pc card can do and this is the reality .
ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney- All consoles are today are just Sony/Ms branded PC's. Trust me, if Metal Gear went PC exclusive, I'd be a PC gamer tomorrow. Regardless, he will have this at 720 or higher with 30fps locked if not more when the game is released. Im glad this isn't on PC because Kojima does consoles pretty well. This game or 2 games are prequels to MGS5 which I bet will show up on the next gen consoles. They aren't Vita games like the one article suggests. It's a PS3/360 intro into next generation by Hideo Kojima pretty much. I bet he will cut down the cutscenes and GZ/PP will be a combined story the size of MGS4 if not bigger.
Yea expect all developers do is try to squeeze power out of old hardware while they could take that and apply it to focusing solely on the game itself. We need new hardware ASAP so developers quit having to spend lots of their time trying to squeeze every last drop out of 7 year old hardware. This cycle went on far to long. I hope next gen consoles are upgradable to help with the cycle. At least I'm pretty sure Valves console will be.
You think a step up to another level of detail will benefit creativity?
Quite the opposite. Alot of the first wave of next gen games will practically be "tech demos" as they also have to move their own software tech up to match the masses having next gen hardware.
So if anything, you'll find less creativity. Fine tuning existing engines with familiar tools is substantially easier than trying to establish a whole new engine and making it run properly.
Don't you think if Developers quit worrying oh how do I get more out of this system all throughout making a game then they could use all that time and invest it more into creativity, story, and gameplay?
The trailer is very good for current specs but if you want to see next gen, look at the Unreal Engine 4 videos. If next gen consoles can get a graphics card as good as a GTX 680 (I doubt it), we will see some truly stunning games.
I would take this with a grain of salt, Hideo and his team is known to state such things at first, until the game progresses further and things eventually downgrade.. especially when design choices are altered and more things are added, etc.
One can't forget the initial MGS3 realtime gameplay and MGS4 original look which was suppose to be running in realtime (wasn't even running on a PS3)...and eventually changed.
Just keep that in mind. Will look great regardless.
go check the interview with kojima sony changed ps3 specs so he had to make compromises with mgs4 its a fact this is what I read on a kojima interview about the development of mgs4 sony changed dev units many times with ps3
"All footage is shown running in real-time on hardware equivalent to current generation consoles (PS3 & XBOX360)"
It's been possible for several other games that were far from release to actually run their demos on PS360, but this game is running on "EQUIVALENT HARDWARE". Equivalent being the key word, meaning equal or "NEAR-EQUAL". By all means this could easily be a PS4 / Nextbox launch game, and with graphics like that this early, in a Sandbox world, and Sony wanting 1080p @ 60fps, then I'm satisfied with what Next gen will be bringing.
If this is truly PS360 footage of the game then Kojima just sh@t on every developer this generation graphically. The lightning and details within the hospital are unmatched in this scene.
So I go away for a while to play Hitman and Far Cry and Dark Souls 2 and MGS5 (this is MGS5 right?) get revealed. Maybe I should stay away from N4G more often.
No body knows yet, more likely than not its MSG GZ since its too early after that announcement to be announcing mgs5.....but even if its a new ip than it looks awesome. Either way we have an excellent game on our hands.
Not MG:GZ or MG5 If it were it would have FOX STUDIOS attached. This is clearly another MG game in the works called Phantom Pain. MG:GZ is Big Boss and last time I checked, he didnt have a prosthetic arm.
i doubt it's MGS5...MGS5 is too big to be revealed like that. maybe it's MGS: GZ in a disguise? but gametrailers guy said it's a totally new game i mean how could he know? i think he just got trolled too like us.... man this whole Phantom Pain game makes my head spin :(
An extended trailer came out for Phantom Pain and at the end some woman says " V has come to". Its the letter V not the Roman numeral for 5 so i think this is another MGS besides MGS5. Probably MGSGZ
Um...OK, so you believe the "world premiere" at the SPIKE VGAs for a "brand new IP" from a "brand new developer"...was ACTUALLY new footage from a game that was announced a few months ago, in it's own "world premiere"...and is part of an OLD IP, from an OLD developer.
I understand people believing it's actually MGS5, but what you're suggesting is just plain retarded.
No it's not. Someone just said (was it Jeff Keighley?) it was a new IP from a new developer. That doesn't make it so. He could be in on it or he could have been given that information which he believed.
And it would be unlikely for two MGS games to be announced so close to each other (if they're both console games) judging from the series history so thinking this is hype for Ground Zeroes isn't that silly.
Plus you're contradicting yourself. If you believe it's a brand new IP from a brand new developer then it must be equally retarded to think it's MGS5.
Dude, David Hayter already gave a hige clue that it is in fact an MGS game. He tweeted about it. When asked what he thought about the trailer, he said it "made his arm hurt". Hayter is the English voice actor for Snake. You do the math.
Funny how what Yangus suggested is "plain retarded" yet Kojima before fooled everyone into thinking MGS2 was going to be a game where the player plays as Snake only and made people think MGS3's Snake was Solid Snake. Kojima has been trolling everyone for years on end, get with the programme bro.
All the new video shown was labeled as "world premiere" because it was new footage. Even for games we've already seen like Bioshock Infinite and Gears of War.
After watching Ground Zeroes trailer a few weeks ago I can say this is totally expected. Fox Engine is like f*cking Gandalf for this console generation... But you know, Fox Engine is not the only engine pulling rabbits out of hat. As stated above by someone else, Beyond is looking great so far. And don't forget about the long awaited Last Guardian! Those two are really doing magic out of thin air. Is nice to see some developers trying really hard to rise the bar with their product, that makes me wanna buy their games even more.
Yeah, Team Ico is really "doing magic" alright... like the old school "now you see it, now you don't" smoke and mirrors BS magic. It's all turning out to be one bogus illusion.
It's running on specs equivalent to current gen specs, so it's not running on a PS3 or 360. And it won't look this good on any console currently out, will probably still look very good though.
Wiiu can handle more than this easy wait until Retro's/Ninty's wiiu game engines get shown off that's all i will say. there are 1st and 3rd party games being built as we speak uing the said engine.
Well if the Wii U can handle ground zeroes without a problem than its a shame that Kojima is depriving Wii U owners of the superior version of this game
Ive noticed that your a very strange Nintendo fan. I mean most of them put gameplay over graphics but everytime someone mentions the slow CPU of the Wii U instead of highlighting the controller as a must have feature you defend the graphics. Isnt that weird?
Maybe because your a bind fanboy that can't understand that almost every developer under the sun that's worth his salt has said the wiiu is Nextgen also what part of Dx11 graphics don't you understand E6760 look it up u divee,also if 360 ect is so good why did Michel Ancel say they had fillrate problems with Rayman origins yet wiiu can handle Super HD textures and has limitless memory ie Ram/Edram/Disc space Hmmmmmm Randy pitchford the wiiu version will look the best ??
I'd just like to say, my laptop has Dx11 and it's got an entry level GPU. API =/= Processing power. And Wii U is Open GL 3-something, so not equivalent to Dx11 which would be 4.
It goes to show you...6/7 year old hardware or not...games on consoles only seem poorer when compared to PC's
...take PC's out of the equation, and consoles don't look bad at all.
The only comparison that should be made, is when a newer console is released. You could say that time has come with Wii U, except Wii U has not yet proven itself to be anything above and beyond this current gen.
Stop Confusing people, just say the wiiU is nintendo's current gen. the Sony and Microsoft next gen has yet to come out, they would be considered the same gen as the wiiU. Sway wasn't wrong, he was saying wiiU is next gen compaired to the current Sony/Microsoft consoles. But it has yet to prove that its beyond the current Sony/Microsoft consoles capabilitys.
I don't get the next-gen fuzz about the graphics, same as with the trailer for Ground Zero's. Sure it looks great and all, but to say it could be next-gen is weird...just go (re-)play MGS4. That game from 2008 looks just as great if not better than these recent trailers.
The PS3 is capable to run these graphics and I'm sure Kojima won't allow an inferior version for Xbox.
I was watching VGA live and the first moment I saw him while crawling up the hall, I shouted "Snake!!" like a madman at home (thankfully I was alone).
All I needed to see was his neck. The long hair, the beard, his silhoutte is something I can recognize from a mile away. In fact I believe someone who played all MGS games up to know would not be fooled by the mock trailer, for all other gamers though, it was great advertising.
Phantom Pain and Metal Gear GZ are the same game. They are not separate games. I believe this is a masterful viral brain***k to get people hype for MGS again and have people talking about it. In MGS:GZ and Phantom Pain. If anyone notice the guy has a bandage around his eye. In the trailer for MGS:GZ Snake has an eye patch on the same eye. And I want to say the PS3 is the lead platform. So if they are any sacrifice it would be on the 360.
As we now know it's a Kojima game which is most likely a MGS title.
There is no question that this game looks to redefine the MGS franchise....I hope we can all put to rest that after seeing this game and it being a multiplat....that the 360 can handle MGS4.
I know all the Sony Faithfuls hate to admit it so they would just rather close their eyes and let this eat away at them inside, but with the release of "The Phantom Pain" IP, it's obvious that the 360 could have done MGS4.
yeah what an amazing thing for xbox to handle a game from 2008 /s
what about uncharted 3 or killzone 3 or god of war 3 what about god of war ascension or the last of us or beyond two souls ?! can xbox handle those too ?!
You are the worst kind of fanboy. i mostly play on my pc, but you have got to be blind. some of these games look way too disapointing. I barely saw any difference between FarCry 3 on ps3 and farcry3 maxed out on my system.
How many games are on PC that can do better real time gfx than this or last of us? I'm a gfx junky and am disappointed, only hitman absolution satisfied me and that disappointed me with gameplay.
hell with me battlefield 3 didn't look impressive in the slightest maybe it is cause i don't care about graphics and still find a lot of games with bad graphics to be a million times better then battlefield 3
Guys it's MGS 5 Neogaf posters crack this one since day one even in the title there's some marks on top of the letters and looks what happens when you add letters.
This game was not running on Wii U so it isn't using current gen specs. Anyway it's easy for a game to have graphics this good on last gen hardware when it's a pre-rendered video. The graphics during gameplay won't look this good but if the video is anything to go by they'll still be very good considering the hardware limitations.
i really dont know why people are like oh its next gen cause of the game looks i ccan tell you that that was most likely ran on ps3 not the 360 360 yeah its old and out dated and has been pushed graphics wise to the limits but on the other hand the ps3 is old but yet has not been pushed to the limits dont believe me you can look it up the ps3 still has alot the gave developers havent even used the ps3 i so much more powerful than the 360 thats also the reason ps3 was given a 10yr life span and the 360 was not i will always say ps3 has better hardware but 360 got the better software like the dash board but thats it. eiether way this game is super awesome looking and cant wait to play it. besides look at mgs4 the game went from video to game play and you couldnt even tell.
If this game is indeed shared with 360... I wonder just how bad everything will get sacrificed in the PS3 version of it because of the shared expierence... what a shame!
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When I first saw the face of the doctor at the beginning I shat my pants at how detailed his face was, as well as the face of the patient being shot under the bed. That's some real realtime graphic fidelity right there.
Beyond does not uses cg, only in game graphics. Same as Heavy Rain. Now that you know that fact, go to youtube and watch the trailer. Remove your computer keyboard from the desk... you may drool all over it.
Exactly!
Quicktime events means you don't have to simulate physics for a lot of objects or even worry about hit detection. It's basically canned animation all the way, so a lot of the overhead is gone.
Now look at phantom pain/mgs5 screens all the character models are high quality, yes there are low res textures but there's more going on screen.
Was it running in higher than 720p? & 30fps for presentation? I bet.
Console gamer are ready to eat this info up.
Look how beyond looks or gow or lou they all look amazing, devs improve and juice that old technology.
I agree new pcs have amazing technology obviously, all you are getting from your investment is just better textures and better fps, for me and I bet for most is not worth the stress and money to stay updated with new technology hi end pcs plus devs are not going to juice or even going to touch half of the real potential your graphics card has and I think that's a shame and I will feel I'm been rip off and is not even fair. That how I see it and that how its.
Plus PlayStation has few amazing devs, pc also have like what two or 3 good exclusive devs for them? And this pc devs don't have the talent that devs like naughty dogs have or santa monica, they do have the advantage on technology and only few use that advantage. But the artistic talents are most on the PlayStation and a couple or one on the xbox(the new halo looks good) but the rest are multiplataform devs that will never use whatever your hiend pc card can do and this is the reality .
This game or 2 games are prequels to MGS5 which I bet will show up on the next gen consoles. They aren't Vita games like the one article suggests. It's a PS3/360 intro into next generation by Hideo Kojima pretty much. I bet he will cut down the cutscenes and GZ/PP will be a combined story the size of MGS4 if not bigger.
Quite the opposite. Alot of the first wave of next gen games will practically be "tech demos" as they also have to move their own software tech up to match the masses having next gen hardware.
So if anything, you'll find less creativity. Fine tuning existing engines with familiar tools is substantially easier than trying to establish a whole new engine and making it run properly.
One can't forget the initial MGS3 realtime gameplay and MGS4 original look which was suppose to be running in realtime (wasn't even running on a PS3)...and eventually changed.
Just keep that in mind. Will look great regardless.
There is no excuse this time around.
"All footage is shown running in real-time on hardware equivalent to current generation consoles (PS3 & XBOX360)"
It's been possible for several other games that were far from release to actually run their demos on PS360, but this game is running on "EQUIVALENT HARDWARE". Equivalent being the key word, meaning equal or "NEAR-EQUAL". By all means this could easily be a PS4 / Nextbox launch game, and with graphics like that this early, in a Sandbox world, and Sony wanting 1080p @ 60fps, then I'm satisfied with what Next gen will be bringing.
If this is truly PS360 footage of the game then Kojima just sh@t on every developer this generation graphically. The lightning and details within the hospital are unmatched in this scene.
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And here you can even see the wrinkles in his foot
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And I can't finish without posting the @$$ shot. I see you peaking out the back of the gown :D
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If it were it would have FOX STUDIOS attached. This is clearly another MG game in the works called Phantom Pain. MG:GZ is Big Boss and last time I checked, he didnt have a prosthetic arm.
maybe it's MGS: GZ in a disguise? but gametrailers guy said it's a totally new game i mean how could he know? i think he just got trolled too like us.... man this whole Phantom Pain game makes my head spin :(
Its a Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes.
I understand people believing it's actually MGS5, but what you're suggesting is just plain retarded.
And it would be unlikely for two MGS games to be announced so close to each other (if they're both console games) judging from the series history so thinking this is hype for Ground Zeroes isn't that silly.
Plus you're contradicting yourself. If you believe it's a brand new IP from a brand new developer then it must be equally retarded to think it's MGS5.
That's only because someone asked him what he thought of the trailer so his response doesn't really point one way or the other.
But with all the other "coincidences" I will be very surprised if this is not MGS related and is actually a new IP.
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Ive noticed that your a very strange Nintendo fan. I mean most of them put gameplay over graphics but everytime someone mentions the slow CPU of the Wii U instead of highlighting the controller as a must have feature you defend the graphics. Isnt that weird?
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Wow... That would be mindblowing...
They in fact say it is running on something with specs simmilar to the ps3 and xbox 360... And the vita has those kind of specs.
Will this game be the first example of transfaring
Mastercornholio that's for you.
...take PC's out of the equation, and consoles don't look bad at all.
The only comparison that should be made, is when a newer console is released. You could say that time has come with Wii U, except Wii U has not yet proven itself to be anything above and beyond this current gen.
The PS3 is capable to run these graphics and I'm sure Kojima won't allow an inferior version for Xbox.
All I needed to see was his neck. The long hair, the beard, his silhoutte is something I can recognize from a mile away. In fact I believe someone who played all MGS games up to know would not be fooled by the mock trailer, for all other gamers though, it was great advertising.
Strangely PS Vita's res is very similar... But I doubt it is.
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As we now know it's a Kojima game which is most likely a MGS title.
There is no question that this game looks to redefine the MGS franchise....I hope we can all put to rest that after seeing this game and it being a multiplat....that the 360 can handle MGS4.
I know all the Sony Faithfuls hate to admit it so they would just rather close their eyes and let this eat away at them inside, but with the release of "The Phantom Pain" IP, it's obvious that the 360 could have done MGS4.
what about uncharted 3 or killzone 3 or god of war 3
what about god of war ascension or the last of us or beyond two souls ?!
can xbox handle those too ?!
Why yes Mr. Up the 360 can handle those too.
Crazy how people throwing around the word "next-gen" can make people think they are seeing something that they're not.
i mostly play on my pc, but you have got to be blind.
some of these games look way too disapointing.
I barely saw any difference between FarCry 3 on ps3 and farcry3 maxed out on my system.
How many games are on PC that can do better real time gfx than this or last of us?
I'm a gfx junky and am disappointed, only hitman absolution satisfied me and that disappointed me with gameplay.
Gosh, I want generals 2 now!
Sorry dude but there is a MASSIVE difference.
I think you are a liar.
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Plus now there's some photos of a a couple of guys wearing The Phantom Pain/Moby Dick Studios t-shirts in the vip section at the Konami party.
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