OmniGamer Writes "Just think about it, when the Sony PS1 came out, there were no competition. When the PS2 came out it was a flawless victory, so why has the PS3 not dominate the console market this generation? OK let’s hear it, blame the Xbox 360 and the Wii, nope that’s no excuse. Sony pedigree and their fan base, no, that runs deeper than the Nile River. All competition should have been destroyed, but why then is the Xbox 360 outselling the PS3 in the USA for 23 straight months? And please don't tell me; well the PS3 beats the Xbox 360 in the other territories, Sony should be winning in all territories period."
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on topic, PS3 sold 70 million units, PSP sold 75 million units, to me it doesn´t seems like disappointment. for comparison old Xbox sold 25 million units, GameCube sold 20 million units
How are you comparing the Ps2/gamecube/xbox era to the Ps3/360/wii era??
I don't like missing any games that I want to play. Nintendo has a bunch, Sony has the my favorites, Microsoft always has a few that I'm interested in and I don't game on PC. For example my 360 was basically only used to play... Mass Effect 1, Oblivion (when it released), Lost Oddessy, Tales Of Vesperia, Viva Pinata, Alan Wake, SC:Conviction, The Witcher 2, The Orange Box and a few others. I could care less about Gears. Halo and Forza. But, it IMO was well worth owing a 360 for. I can also see how some wouldn't or couldn't afford to. I just want to and can, so I do.
This is why Sony is now forced to adapt and create hardware developers want. Sony no longer controls the market and cannot dictate their systems being the lead platform. Sony needs to do away with proprietary hardware that only really benefits Sony.
And before anyone chimes in suggesting the developers need to understand better that's not really the result we want. Microsoft proved with the original Xbox they can benefit from taking an extra year, not costing the consumer any extra money, all while not frustrating the game programmers and having a more powerful system that didn't suffer from poor ports (only very few games did like MGS).
We also don't need total dominance. What happened last time? If I remember correctly Playstation fans were handed a $600 console. It was the stiffer competition that forced the price down.
that MS will keep charging for LIVE? that's reason enough for some not to buy their console. With the price of everything today the last thing some of us want is to pay to be able to enjoy the other half of the games we buy.
"that MS will keep charging for LIVE? that's reason enough for some not to buy their console."
For some that is a strong incentive to buy MS console due to the frequent quality updates. So far, 3 major dashboard updates while the competition since inception finally only got their online store updated.
Which each service there is a level of expectation depending on what you paid for it. I for one like having choices and competition. Both free and premium service is ideal as it is.
You make it sound like MS just suddenly added XBL last week.
Paying for XBL was here day 1 at the launch of the Xbxo 360 yet the Xbox 360 still managed to sell 70+ million. So considering the fist xbox sold 24 million and the 360 sold 54 million MORE WITH XBL a paid subscription day 1 I would say you are dead wrong.
XBL is well known to be a quality product in which those who want and enjoy it's features are willing to pay for them.
So the Saturn and 64 were figments of our imaginations everybody
Ps1 was the greatest system of our modern times.
I mean isnt it obvious that anyone declaring doom on Sony due to lost market share is in it for s*its and giggles or fanboyism? I mean THAT*S the best they can do? Pfft gtfo...LOL!
***"They will have another 100+ million seller in their hands with PS3 so why should they care if the market expands to new territorys and Wii gets a 100 million seller with Wii from casuals during the same gen?"***
***"I mean isnt it obvious that anyone declaring doom on Sony due to lost market share is in it for s*its and giggles or fanboyism?"***
lol I can't believe there is actually someone who views things this way. People think that market share is all that matters. Like you said, why should one care if your competitors sold a butt load of consoles when you yourself have sold a butt load as well? This whole 1st, 2nd, 3rd place nonsense is definitely just to fuel the console wars.
ms has shown me nothing to say next xbox will be any better because we have had the same exclusives of halo,gears and fable has been replaced by forza. Ms sees kinect and a casual market and forgot about us the core gamers. instead of paying for exclusive dlc how about invest that money into smaller development teams to work on xblive game. also when ps4 gets cross game chat and psn is still free than what would be the reason for MS to charge for xblive?
wii-u well all i will say is this i am so excited to play nintendo's games in HD finally. but 3rd party support will be the same story like all nintendo consoles since NES
sony-ps4, been with ps brand since ps1 and sony hasn't let me down so i trust they will deliver once again. i hope this time ps4/next xbox launches at the same time just to see which brand is actually stronger. with 12 development studios along with few 2nd party studios like ready at dawn,QD and insomniac sony if not else knows how to deliver excellent exclusives.
so while all 3 have pros and oons for me its about time and history with ps brand.
i believe next gen race will be between xbox and ps because i don't think either company is worried about nintendo. out of all 3 nintendo has the most to prove
Nintendo and M$ WILL NOT be getting my money again anytime soon.
But seriously, I haven't played Planetside 1 or 2 but the massive scale I've seen in the video's is something I can appreciate a lot. I hadn't thought of it but yeah, it would be awesome to see Planetside 2 on PS4. After MAG, why not? It's out now, free to play, they still have lots of time to make it work before the PS4 is out.
Great idea. Send them a, no just tell-em. We want Planetside on Playstation.
http://youtu.be/6DT-PWfIQOE
*turn on ps4 signs in to psn with psn name.*
*turns on steam box signs in to steam with psn name*
WIN!!!!
Last gen I loved the Xbox, that I exchanged my gamecube for it (when my first one broke), I didn't even touch the PS2 at all. Then everything changed when the PS3 was announced, and it had a lot of games I was interested in. I still wanted an Xbox 360, but a friend got one at launch, and when I played it, it confirmed that I preferred to wait for the PS3 instead, and I have been really happy with it since then.
With the new consoles, it will be the same. I'll check which one has more games I am interested in and it will be the one I'll buy. Then I will wait for a Mario or Zelda or Metroid, etc to be announced to buy the Wii U (with Pikmin 3 by then)
i got PS1, PS2, PS3 and the PS4 will be the best console by far, no doubt about it.
Hopefully that's the case for both gamers and Sony. Because that's a major incentive for ALOT of current PS3 owners to move on to PS4 as soon as they can. If 100% of their current digital "stuff" works (physical too, but I'm talking about Plus here) AND you have the benefit of being able to play the "new stuff" as well, there's no reason [not] to get a PS4 and the hardware generation will start off with a bang and the install base will build more quickly.
Door is wide open for anybody.
Omni gamer.com? ;)
btw. everyone was saying how PSP2 will cost like 400-450$ but they announced it for 250-299$.
they learned their lesson from PS3 and PS4 (Omni)
won't cost 600$. I would say 399$.
It truly depends on what's offered Day 1, and the difference between current-gen and next-gen games.
like ps3 dominate now !
No I buy these product to help encourage friends & family to do like wise so that way a trend is started of trying to bring our country back to a position of manufacturing dominance instead of a sad country that only imports someone else inferior product & while also helping companies realize that the best works are right here in their home country not overseas.So that way in not far distance future the words made in the USA means something again.
@ronin4life this will also answer your question or comment seeing as how this bubble system does not allow me to continue to comment.
They do love their Playstation though, but no where near like they love their Nintendo... and that's really all there is since most devs won't touch the regional corpse that is xbox.
Otherwise, they aren't completely turned off to non Japanese things. They love their Apple, a big deal as near smart level phones existed in Japan before the first Iphone was even made.
Here is a bit of info for you and I apologize for sounding blunt as I do not mean to offend. But... These Japanese companies that you are avoiding are paying much more into your USA! by ways of job creation (US) and paying their taxes. As opposed to your chosen born in the USA companies that outsource more and more, kill jobs,chase after tax loopholes, and get tax payer bailouts.
Cheers.
Buying American goods (if your from here obviously) is something to be proud of. It creates jobs, creates capital, more workers spending money locally its just better all around. I applaud KMCROC for supporting our own.
You embarrass us. Not that you're competent enough to even understand that.
Now that they are all multi-platform the PS brand has a high chance of being in 3rd place for a second time.
The console being cheaper, more advertising, big time AAA exclusive games like Uncharted 4, Gran Turismo 6, God Of War 4 Killzone 4 at launch.
Then, the following year Sony releases Sucker Punch new Ip, The Last Of Us 2, Quantic dreams new ip, a new Little big planet title.
WOW Sony would kill the competition if they released those games in a years time, Here hoping.
EDIT: In years time after/whenever the PS4 get released is what I'm saying not literally in a years time from now.
They are going to hit hard with exclusives from the very beginning, this is what i think.
What happened differently between the PS2 and the PS3 was just over a year and a half into the PS2's lifecycle in the US it received a price cut down below the magic $200 mark during a period of strong economic conditions and received a boost from hotly anticipated games that sky-rocketed sales. One and a half years into the PS3's lifecycle, it received a cheaper, 40GB version that still cost $400 and then the world was hit with the biggest economic downturn in a generation.
And yet even being far and away the most expensive console on the market and during hard times that still persist today, the PS3 still managed to hit 70 million consoles a year sooner then it's closest competition and closing a gap that was one almost 9 million consoles between the two. And it's the only console currently not suffering from huge sales declines.
I can't believe the price differences and the economic conditions that each faced doesn't even warrant a mention. While not the whole story, it's a huge piece of the puzzle when you look at the history of the Playstation brand, and one this article either wasn't aware of or completely glossed over in favor of "Put out a new Gran Turismo sooner and make Killzone the bestest next gen."
"Just think about it, when the Sony PS1 came out, there were no competition"
That's a lie, because the Sega Saturn came out a few days before the PS1
The Dreamcast was the competitor for the PS2. Not the Saturn.
And just because the PS1 beat the Saturn doesn't mean the Saturn wasn't competition. It just means the Saturn lost. Plain and Simple.
when you look at how crowded the console market was in the early-mid 90's it's a miracle a new console brand like the playstation ever became such a huge phenomenal success, especially when it wasn't the 1st of its generation
PS brand is big enough to sell neck and neck with 100-200$
more than competitor
well if the price would be the same it will crush Xbox except may be in the USA
they are really loyal to xbox brand
PS3 and 360 are still neck to neck, while the PS3 is not much more expensive and the 360 offers less (like no Bluray).
If it doesn't sell much more with same price now, why would it next year ?
Also, consoles should sell based on their own merit, not based on their name.
"If it doesn't sell much more with same price now, why would it next year ?"
Maybe you should get down with the facts a little bit. The PS3 has sold more in less time then the 360 has, 70 million in 6 years while being more expensive.
So it's not hard to see why the PS3 has overtaken the xbox 360 in total units sold. And lets not forget the high defective rates of earlier models of the xbox 360 which caused a lot of people to rebuy it.
Back in 2005
"Can the 360 put Microsoft on the lead in America?"
"It will be hard. The world is completely dominated by Sony and the PS2 plus the PS3 is coming out a year later."
As long as they release a system with a size-able difference in terms of graphics with new and unique features not found in previous generations at reasonable prices, then it will be a winner regardless.
Implement how their online system is now but in a next gen way with PS Plus and Gaikai and I'd consider that a win as well.
I look forward to what Sony has in store for the PS4. Whatever they have planned, I am sure gamers alike will be excited.
Sony could come back on top, stay where it is, or just fail and leave the industry, who knows.
survey says.....no
"Sony could come back on top, stay where it is, or just fail and leave the industry, who knows."
i say fail and leave the industry, because they are the reason its in ruins.
Funny, I would say the EXACT opposite.
Please stay and thrive in this industry, because they are the reason it is not in ruins.
As for the OP, the Wii showed anything can happen, so yes the PS4 can do that but it obviously remains to be seen. We not only have to wait and see how the next MS and Sony consoles turn out, we have to wait and see what people want at the time and then see how all that equates to sales.
Sony has my business until they do something to lose it though, and nothing about their strategy from PS1 to PS2 to PS3 makes me think they'll lose it with PS4.
Like they don't already have the best selling game console ever made already huh? Like they don't already have the second best selling game console already huh?
Like the consoles is not the only one who's exclusive games win Game of the Year awards. Otherwise it's a multi platform game.
Like it wasn't the first and only console to come out with Blu-ray. It's not the Industry leader when it comes to NetFlix viewing.
Sony is always pushing new IP's and satisfying its fanbase. Microsoft on the other Hand has abandoned its core fanbase years ago. They only care about Kinect titles and 3 years period of releasing Halo,Forza and Gears of War. They provide nothing new to the table, not even trying to release at least new IPs, like Sony does
plus the online network was so immature back then. (the PSN has come a LONG way....)
There are many factors as to why the ps3 didn't "dominate". But they didn't give a good impression early on with that price point.
Don't look for knowledgeable types of posts here. Just read the site for the news stories that come up.
people can change their minds.
just like people saw how microsoft doesn't give a shit about making new IP's this gen.
PS+ increased 250% in subscribers during black friday
Mind you when Xbox1 was 2nd, the NGC 3rd and going on 50 million and more behind, no one talked about them being "doomed."
Exactly who lied about what?? And those same "best 3rd party titles" were also on PC and PS3.
3rd party games were on PC and PS3 and playstation version had exclusive content for some games.
online ? yeah, pay 60$ so you can be online haha...
while you get like 15 AAA free games with PS+
and all that money Microsoft gets from XboxLive,
they put it in the pocket. they don't invest that
money in new games, new IP's, creative IP's.
which Sony does.
DLC is also on PC and PS3 -___-
huge exclusive library ?
Xbox fanboys are just stupid. what games ?
gears, halo, forza XD
Uncharted, God Of War, Last Of Us,inFamous, Beyond,
Motorstorm, Warhawk/Starhawk, Killzone, Resistance,
MGS4,Gran Turismo,
Heavenly Sword,Heavy Rain,LBP,MAG,Socom,Folklore,
Valkyria Chronicles,Battle Royale, Ratchet &
Clank,Sly Cooper,Twisted Metal,Wipeout,Demon's
Souls,Dust 514,PSN exclusive games like Flow/Flower
/Journey/Dead Nation,/Echochrome/Rain
I'll be buying PS4 because of free online with PS+,
best controller, powerful console, simple menu,
most exclusive games from all consoles, new IP'S,
different and creative IP's, low failure rate
(RROD), we heard rumors that you will be able to
download something while playing a game,
Killzone/Uncharted/God Of War/Last Of Us already
look better than anything on Xbox and will look
amazing on PS4...
Dont you mean huge library of kinect games?
Nope. Not in this day and age. There is too much stiff competition for any 1 console to dominate.
Not necessarily. The Wii was in competition with 2 other consoles that is still selling really well. Not to mention the fact that those 2 other consoles has the big 3rd party games on it that Nintendo really wants also. If you want a good example of "domination", look at what the PS2 did to the gamecube and xbox, those consoles stopped selling completely at 20 million and 30 million, whereas the 360 and PS3 is still selling very well.
The wii sold fast, but in the end, it sold 1.3 or 1.4 times more consoles, and now it's dead, and the others will end their run not too far behind. In the end, was this generation even "dominated" by anyone ? They all sold sold extremely well.... the next one will probably be the same.
(well, basically what punisher99 said...)
Truth is Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo will keep releasing successful consoles ^^
I want them to be healthy profit makers again, to be able to carry on with what they are doing. I'm convinced that an elegant PSN solution is under way for PS4 that offers stuff like streamlined integration with devices through SEN, background task performance supported by increased RAM capacity, cross-game chat, party chat, cross-platform play, Gaikai streaming and other great features whilst PS+ continues to grow across the board. I mean I wonder what else they could add too.
Maybe PC MMOs such as PlanetSide 2. OH my, imagine that!
They really need the PSN to be consistently rock solid next gen to sway minds, as online play is prevalent throughout the industry and will only get (sadly?) more important as time goes on. But true enough, networking will be as important as games from this point on.
I'm sure they will continue making diverse exclusive games as long as they have the talent under their wing and good third party relations, which I don't believe will change from this gen to the next.
Yeah, lately I'm fantasizing about Planetside 2 as a PS4 launch title. lol
Is this a joke post?
But it could also flop horribly.Or turn out mediocre.
New gen=New ballgame
This could all change when I see what Sony offers next gen. MS is looking to dominate the family room so it's going to be all about the games. I just want to see if there are more games that suit my personal taste on the PS4.
Currently I am in the Dust514 beta and I think it's awesome that it's free....but there is something missing in the formula that is just not making Dust514 a solid FPS contender. Killzone is much better as a shooter but Dust514 has some really deep RPG elements.
Point is, the reason I still mainly use my PS3 is simply for blu-ray.
If the 720 comes with blu-ray then I really wouldn't need a PS3 or PS4 because the 720 will have all my blu-ray needs.
It will come down to games on the PS4. The main IP's on the PS3 aside of Uncharted and God of War (possibly The Last of Us) have IMO been sub par. I felt GT5 was a total failure. I felt all of the exclusive FPS were sub par. Bought LBP and got bored fast.
I just felt 3rd party titles were just too awesome this gen and were mostly better then Sony's exclusives this gen. I switched to Forza as my go to racing title from a once long time GT fan. Halo is my sci-fi FPS of choice, Battlefield is my military shooter of choice, Gears is my TPS franchise of choice, Bethesda is my open world fantasy developer of choice, R* with Red Dead Redemption and GTA titles are my more realistic open world choices etc.
Aside of the Uncharted franchise and God of War (although I did prefer dante's inferno more) there just wasn't anything on the PS3 this gen that suited my gaming choices.
sub par ?
warhawk and battlefield are my favorite multiplayer games this gen.
uncharted, god of war, infamous, heavenly sword, killzone...
all great games. one of best this gen.
and they are not on xbox.
motorstorm is my favorite racing game this gen.
it looks good and it's hard.
"GT5 was a total failure" ?
GT5 sold more than whole forza franchise
sorry but if you think that dante's inferno is better than god of war then you're not normal.
gow is better in all the things you can compare them. I played both and I know what I'm talking about