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Submitted by Bsip 1162d ago | opinion piece

Why 'The Phantom Pain' Isn't a New 'Metal Gear Solid'

In our discussion of the 2012 Spike Video Game Awards winners post we cited how decidedly barren the show was in terms of mystery reveal trailers. Last year’s show, for example, was chalked full of trailers many never saw coming, or at least were not sure would make an appearance.

This year, however, the only big mystery came in the form of a new game from an unknown studio. And this new game, titled The Phantom Pain, has sparked quite the debate across gaming forums everywhere, leading many to believe it is little more than a clever rouse meant to lead gamers on a wild goose hunt for its true purpose. (Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, Moby Dick Studio, Next-Gen, PC, PS3, Wii U, Xbox 360)

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ForgottenProphecy  +   1162d ago
I disagree with everything said in this article. Nothing about The Last of Us hinted towards it being an Uncharted game, but EVERYTHING about The Phantom Pain hints towards it being a Metal Gear Game. I can't think of one good piece of evidence against it being MGS 5.
wishingW3L  +   1162d ago
me too but this is what gamerant always does. They always go against the general opinion for the sake of some hits.
ForgottenProphecy  +   1162d ago
I can understand going against the general opinion sometimes, like with poorly built rumors, but you just can not argue against this one. It's impossible.
guitarded77  +   1162d ago
Gamerant seems to be in denial. Or they just really want attention... yeah, I think it's the attention thing... and by attention, I mean hits.
AmazingBrian  +   1161d ago
this looks like big boss, hes got the bandages over his eye
Septic  +   1161d ago
The game itself says its Metal Gear Solid in the trailer. I would have thought that that would be proof enough.
BitbyDeath  +   1162d ago
It's already been said in other threads.

Phantom Pain is one.
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showtimefolks  +   1162d ago
It's a MGS game deal with it

Kojima was just messing with the fans

With ps4 and next Xbox set to be announced could it be that ground zeros is actually a next gen title coming in 2014?

Last night pretty much confirms the fact that new systems are on their way, not one game was announced for fall 2013
doogiebear  +   1162d ago
Reasons why it IS mgs 5 or Ground Zeroes:

guitarded77  +   1162d ago
LoL... yeah, I think #1 on that list sums it up.

1. "It says it is"

How the funk do you argue with that?
onyoursistersback  +   1161d ago
So?! you use font from the new Tom Cruise movie Oblivion, and we turn and belive its MGS5? i need some real info.

QuodEratDemonstrandm  +   1161d ago
1. Phantom pain is a reference to the sensations felt in a limb that isn't there anymore, nothing more.
2. Liquid Snake lost his arm at the hands of Gray Fox in MGS1. Big Boss died with both of his arms intact, so will Solid Snake. This story flatly contradicts existing MGS canon, no matter who the one armed man is.
3. The game play looks more like Resident Evil than Metal Gear Solid.
4. Metal Gear Solid is already a well established franchise with plenty of buzz on its own. Marketing a new MGS under a different title would take that away. Which brings me to....
5. Motive?
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QuodEratDemonstrandm  +   1161d ago
Oh wait, my mistake. Liquid lost his arm after he died. It was grafted onto Ocelot after Gray Fox cut off HIS arm.
CraigUK  +   1161d ago
Big boss died with gloves on, you dont know what kind of hand he hand.
FreydaWright  +   1161d ago
Sound effects are also another indicator that this is Metal Gear Solid-related.
Nitrowolf2  +   1162d ago
Does anyoen else find it weird that this whole scene has fire in it?
It's a long stretch, but if you played Snake's Revenge (non-canon) Big Boss gets turned into a Cyborg. While that was indeed Non-cana, MG2, cannon, did indeed mention or at least referenc to the snatcher series, Kesler tells Snake that he was indeed reconstructed into a cyborg where Snake kills him once again, this time with a flamethrower.

The Whale, whale Cuisine?

Also, I do think it's MGS related
what scene are we watching from MGS you ask? When Snake goes into a Comma, in which this is where they take his stuff to make Solid and Liquid (also Solidous)thus "From FOX, two Phantoms were born"
So for Naked, this is all a dream, hallucination.
I know that part isn't actually the original scripted part, as the english dialgu form MGS 1 is
"Liquid Snake: But father was wounded in combat and already in a coma when they brought him in. So they created us from his cells... with a combination of 20th century analog cloning and the Super Baby Method."
and the Japanese mentions he was wounded in combat which left him sterile.
though I think they decided to go with the english
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CarlosX360  +   1162d ago
People keep forgetting that the whole basis around Metal Gear or Metal Gear Solid is around "clones."

This may be a clone of Big Boss or Snake, since in Snake Eater, Naked Snake's arm is intact.

Liquid Snake's arm wasn't removed until around MGS.
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Eamon  +   1161d ago
No, it's very likely Big Boss. And I think Kojima confirmed that Ground Zeroes is the prologue to MGS5.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the funny thing is that since Big Boss became the antagonist in the Metal Gear games, we've never seen his hands without gloves on. Who knows? Perhaps all this time he's had a prosthetic arm we never knew about?
Ace_Pheonix  +   1162d ago
Cloning requires no seminal fluids. They just use his DNA and replicate him. But yes, other than that I completely agree. And @Carlos, the only thing that made sense there was the word "clones". A clone can't be cloned, this is Big Boss after the events of MGS3 and Peace Walker, and Liquid never lost his arm. He was killed by Foxdie way after the events of this game. The material needed to make the Snakes is taken most likely right before this trailer started.
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doogiebear  +   1161d ago
We're talking about a fictional method for cloning in the 70's (which was not even possible then, for all we know), not the way it's done today, in modern times.
Eamon  +   1161d ago
True, but remember in the universe of MGS, state funded military scientists could discover technology or new science decades before mainstream scientists. It's just that these military scientists have all the resources and money to conduct their research and the results are not revealed to the public.
silkrevolver  +   1162d ago
But... I mean... it is.
helghast102  +   1162d ago
There are too many connections to just be mere coincidence.
pandatomsk  +   1162d ago
Why The Phantom Pain Isn't a New Metal Gear Solid?

"Because when the trailer started, we all closed our eyes with our fingers in our ears and said 'it's not a new metal gear! it's not a new metal gear!' So, there."
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WeskerChildReborned  +   1161d ago
Lol, theirs alot of signs that point this to be an MGS game and if it is one, it looks pretty bad***
-Gespenst-  +   1162d ago
What worries me is that they only just announced Ground Zeroes. I mean, if you're a fan, you'll definitely pick up both MGS5 AND Ground Zeroes, but I can't help but feel MGS5 would steal GZ's thunder somewhat.

I'm not sure but I really think this could be a viral thing for Ground Zeroes, not a trailer for MGS5.

"From Fox, two phantoms were born" & "The Phantom Pain"

The outdoor environment shown (before the fucking whale shows up haha) looks a LOT like the one we've seen in the GZ stuff.

A guy who looks like Big Boss undergoing some sort of weird operation which I suspect is part of the les enfants terribles cloning process. The weird shit might be drug induced hallucinations.

Plus the amputated arm? I know Liquid Ocelot did't really have Liquid's arem grafted on there in the end, but it could serve as a good motif. Perhaps they used Big Boss' arm in the cloning procedure, and Ocelot going on about all that arm shit was a reference to it. He would have been involved in les enfants terribles as a member of the Patriots and everything.

Another explanation: Maybe they're all crappy clones of Big Boss being culled?
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Kenshin_BATT0USAI  +   1162d ago
No, that really was Liquid's arm on Ocelot. The Liquid personality was self-brainwashing as Ocelot and later Big Boss state.
-Gespenst-  +   1161d ago
Well no, he has it replaced with a cybernetic one at some point. That's the one he has at the end of MGS4.
Kenshin_BATT0USAI  +   1161d ago
Ahh ok, you mean that part. xD Sorry I thought you meant he never had liquid's arm at any point.
Eamon  +   1161d ago
Yeah, in MGS2, Ocelot actually had Liquid's arm which actually did possess him - which is why we hear Liquid's voice.

But by MGS4, Ocelot replaced it with a cybernetic arm and then made himself get brainwashed to think he really was Liquid Snake.
Knight_Crawler  +   1162d ago
Yeah but what if MGS 5 is a PS3 exclusive and GZ is a muliplat game...this would make sense.
FriedGoat  +   1161d ago
On the "MobyDick Games" website it says XBOX and PS3 at the bottom. I assume this is a multiplatform current gen game.
That may also be why the graphics look slightly inferior to Ground Zeroes.
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yaz288  +   1162d ago
a stealth game actually being stealthy .. lol that is funny.
I don't know why all these topics are in n4g .. I mean I think its obvious as the sun that the man is big boss and the animation and graphics are clearly ground zero .. (and moby dick .. lol who is that )the thing I am surprised about is that its a new mgs game! wtf?! (AWESOME NEWS IF TRUE!)
PirateThom  +   1161d ago
The only reason it may not be a MGS game is that I can't see them doing work on two console Metal Gear Solid games at once like that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ground Zeroes, Metal Gear Solid 5 and The Phantom Pain were all the same game though but I could equally see "Metal Gear Solid V" being "Metal Gear Solid Vita". The rest of the series doesn't use Roman numerals.
Eamon  +   1161d ago
Kojima confirmed Ground Zeroes is not MGS5.

Also, he did confirm that Ground Zeroes is not Project Ogre which he said is being developed at the same time as Ground Zeroes.

And Project Ogre is most likely MGS5.
vegetassj51  +   1161d ago
A tweet from David Hayter

David Hayter ‏@DavidBHayter
“@aganej2: @DavidBHayter so what was your take on The Phantom Pain trailer?” It made my arm hurt.
VenalPsychopomp  +   1161d ago
This article simply has no merit whatsoever. It's clear that the writer is either in enormously self-reinforcing denial, or is simply poorly playing devil's advocate to troll for hits. I'd be inclined to lean towards the latter in my prognosis.

Bizarrely, even considering what it is he says, it doesn't ever seem like he actually believes in the the idea that he's promoting.

I'll be sure to ignore this writer, and his lack of integrity, in the future. Pathetic.
shempo  +   1161d ago
its big boss not snake deal with it already
Bigkurz85  +   1161d ago
big boss is a snake deal with it already
shempo  +   1161d ago
this is not coming on the wiiHD better remove this
raiden-49  +   1161d ago
say it on the website its for xbox 360 and ps3
REALgamer  +   1161d ago
Seriously, with pretty much every major game site running articles speculating about this being MGS5, it seems more telling to me that the developers haven't denied this.

If you announced a new game and the internet blew up about it secretly being part of a major franchise you have nothing to do with, wouldn't you want to clear up the confusion ASAP (and before the actual franchise owners and publishers get involved)?

The lack of denial may as well be confirmation that yes, it really is MGS.
MYSTERIO360  +   1161d ago
Im confused now.....maybe its a MGS spinoff
millzy102  +   1161d ago
the begining of the trailer said ps3 and 360 same as ground zeros, im expecting ground zeros and phantom pain to be chapters in mgs5. its not vita, vita cant handle that graphically it would need to be scaled down.
Kos-Mos  +   1161d ago
It doesn`t have the Metal Gear feel to it. Just look at Metal Gear Solid Rising and tell me that this is the same producers...
josephayal  +   1161d ago
Is Phantom Filter
THamm  +   1161d ago
The burnt/bandaged man maybe Big Boss and he's the one hallucinating
Bigkurz85  +   1161d ago
This isn't even debatable. Ridiculous article.
Commandar_Shepard  +   1161d ago
The fact that the Konami people with Kojima were all wearing Moby Dick Studios and The Phantom Pain shirts confirms its connection to MGS, not to mention everything in the trailer. . . . .
ajax17  +   1161d ago
I don't care what it is! I just want it NOW!
jjb1981  +   1161d ago
That's the why sonys last game on ps3 will be called "the last of us"
Pillsbury1  +   1161d ago
Why is kojima do secretive and loves to mind fu$k us?! Damn you kojima you twisted genius!!! Snaaaaaaaakkkkkeeee!!!!
Genki  +   1161d ago
Yet another example of why gaming journalism has little to no credibility these days.

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