With the PS4 probably coming out next year, and certainly no later than 2014, we’ve been digging around looking for the inside scoop on what exactly you should expect. All of the following is based on publicly available information, rather than shady secret anonymous sources where you have to trust us because we’re games journalists (ha!).
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The PS4 is apparently supposed to be better than the Wii U but a bit weaker than the NextBox, according to this rumor page. Plus both the PS4 and NextBox are gonna have a form of VR. Also, the PS4 won't be called Orbis but instead it supposedly will be called "PlayStation Omni."
Interesting stuff, people.
It's the biggest list of leaked info from a reliable source that I have found.
A buddy sent me this link. And I about flipped when I read through it.
Is there a reason to all the disagrees? Just wondering. Just so you guys know, this is NOT my website. I'm just trying to let y'all in on this info. It's some seriously legit-sounding info. You want to read this, trust me.
@dubt72
Yeah, it's kinda funny. It's not like I'M saying it. haha It's in the linked article. They shouldn't take it out on me with disagrees. It's not my fault what the rumor is. lol
All this sounds great- can't wait for E3. Here's hoping this year's E3 isn't as dull as the last one.
And Sony, this time don't be cheap by showing us CGI! We want to be blown away for the right reasons!
I think they've learned their lesson with that, but to be fair Killzone 3 looks pretty dang close to that Killzone target video they released back in the day. So, they weren't completely fooling us. Now, as far as that Motorstorm target video, they missed the mark quite a bit on that one. haha Remember all the mud and dust and stuff? I'm sure the PS4 will make KZ3 and The Last of Us look last-gen and I can't wait for it.
Motorstorm Targe Render v Actual Gameplay Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
If you're talking about 2005 E3 trailer, I think the actual gameplay does look better, at least particle effects and lighting:
Pre-rendered Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Gameplay:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
I just hope they don't make their console too under-powered, under the misguided assumption that it will make them more successful like the Wii. The kinds of 1st party developers under their umbrella--like Naughty Dog, Sony Sanat Monica, and Guerrilla--really need to have a capable system to work with.
I will sure buy it when it's out.
Didn't see you and all the other hypocriets (game media) cry when MS showed project nathal for the first time , when the real thing got released it didn't trun to be like those fake videos from E3 .
Did you get blown away with kinect ???
Killzone 2 and 3 don't even come close to that original 2005 video. The fact that so many people (in a certain group within the community) really makes me realize that most people don't have a clue what they are talking about and I have no reason to take anything said in these comment sections seriously.
These are the same people that said that Final Fantasy 10 was the best looking game of the last generation.
Your eyes see what they want to see, i guess.
General-purpose computing on graphics processing units (GPGPU)""
""Most importantly, the Wii U also uses one (although with arguably weak chips).""
So in other words, Nintendo is "Weak Chips".
What on earth gives you the idea that the PS4 will be less powerful than the Xbox 720? I would think the reverse situation would be more likely, with Microsoft desperate to avoid another billion-dollar loss due to defective and/or overheating hardware, having learned their lesson via the RROD fiasco. You can only stuff a finite amount of graphical and processing power into a compact box without it overheating, and I'm sure Microsoft is fully aware of this.
Not to mention the rumors that the next Microsoft console will sport a seriously weak HD 6670 as its GPU (although I've also heard rumors of Nvidia cards in recent Xbox devkits, so take all rumors with a grain of salt). And, not to mention the fact that Microsoft will probably place a ton of emphasis on pushing Kinect functionality and integration, even more so than they have this generation, as a selling point for the new console, rather than pure hardware horsepower. Microsoft has been showing more and more in recent years that they're prioritizing catering to the casual market rather than the hardcore gamer market.
"Also, the PS4 won't be called Orbis but instead it supposedly will be called "PlayStation Omni.""
It'll be called the PlayStation 4 or I'll be duct-taping something over it that says PS4.
It will be a dumb move on Sony's part if they go with anything besides PS4. "Vita" clearly didn't do any better than "PSP2" would have.
Talked about this plenty of times already, but PS4 has mass name recognition already and extends it to PS5 and beyond. A name change means a lot of wasted time & money building name recognition with the masses aka a lot of lost sales.
PlayStation 1-3 is the highest selling home consoles franchise by far. ~60 million more than all of Nintendo's home consoles (CTVG, NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, WiiU) combined. ~100 million more than all of Microsoft, Sega, Atari, NEC, Mattel, Coleco, Magnavox/Phillips, and Panasonic consoles combined.
After what will be three 100mil+ sellers, you go with "4", not Orbis or Omni, lose your name recognition and possibly lose half or similarly large chunk of sales.
I didn't watch the trailer at E3, but at least I provided links to Youtube to support my opinion. What have you got? Did you see the trailer as it was shown in 2005 at E3? What are your claims that "Killzone 2 and 3 don't even come close to that original 2005 video" based on?
Oh you didn't see me when Natal was hyped up eh? Why is that because I was still here??
Clearly you've taken what I said to heart but Sony did pretty much lie to everyone. When prompted about the Killzone tech demo they never answered the question directly and even the likes of John Carmack had to get involved and speculate.
I'm sorry but Sony has a habit of doing this; it did it with the PS2 and PS3. As a fan, you of all people should feel insulted, misleading you like that. But obviously no....you're too busy rushing to their defence as if you owe them your life.
The same criticism goes to MS and Natal. But please tell me, when was 'the real thing released'?? Think before your fanboy rage types nonsense for you.
@above. Come on......really?? Just look at the two trailers. One is blatantly CGI and just all round better. Its the kind of quality you expect from the next generation of consoles, not this one.
Rumors still strong on:
APU (A10 based)+ Discret GPU (7970)
2GB/4GB RAM
I rather ps4 have a good cpu so that the gpu can be used for graphics 1000% to it's limit. And the cpu as well.
Also I am wondering if there will be a standalone gpu with the apu or just the apu?
If so devs would have two graphics chips to play with(the apu gpu less powerful of course).
Also Global Illumination = illuminati take over.
http://www.gamerfocus.co/wp...
To get around this problem, they chose out of the two which one processes data the best then modify that one to be able to handle the job of the other one while maintaining the same techniques that made it superior.
It will likely be tied to APU + GPGPU or 2 APUs + GPGPU.
GPGPU or workstation video cards are very expensive pieces of equipment with lots of heat typically I suspect one at 1 Tflop or so will be what Sony goes with alongside APU(up to 1 Tflop) or Dual APUs. Equating to about 2-3 Tflops.
Maybe more if this power talk is true. There was a rumor awhile back of 1.840 Tflop GPU in PS4 kit. Possible that is GPGPU is based on or exactly the AMD FirePro V7900? The V7900 runs with up to 1.86 Tflops or so it has been marked to do so. Its not impossible to imagine 1.84 Tflops from it.
Lets say 1.84 + 1 Tflop(Single APU) - 2.84 Tflops
or +2 Tflop(Dual APUs) - 3.84 Tflops?
I expect XB3 to come down a similar path close to same end-game. I have a suspicion of NVIDIA ARM APU for XB3 + whatever else is in the system. There is a reason Microsoft has partnered with NVIDIA locking out others from buying them. Maybe its all Windows ARM related, but maybe its not.
Great detective work.
Dam son just buy both systems, stfu and play. Kids these days ... Smh.
On to the topic- this is a great article, a lot of work put into it... Hope to see more of these type of deep relevant articles. Ps4's looking good hope Xbox is just as impressive.
"you already know where the exclusives and free online will be"
I already know your credit card info.
e3 2013 will be a lot of fun if these systems are indeed coming in 2013. but doesn't sony also have a history of talking about their gaming products during GDC?
Also no one is stopping Microsoft from putting Blu-Ray in the Xbox other than their pride.
They never said for sure that the 'equivalent API' with be in the PS4, only that they are working on one.
It may be better to just use DX11 to make it easier on 3rd developers. Ports could be a big issue again, if they do not get it right and this could be the new 'Cell' for Sony. Sony could use DX11 and M$ the new Blu-ray.
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Lots of things have dedicated cores to allow for parellism.
And i'm gonna love my PS4
Long Live Sony !!!!
I love my 360
I love my PC
And I'm going to wait before they release some information on next gen consoles before I make up my mind. And not be blinded by brand loyalty.
I love my Xbox
And I'm gonna love my 720
Xbox, Jump in!!
You could do GPGPU implementation on the GPU's of the PS3 and Xbox but they aren't powerful enough to handle shadings and CPU workload at the same time. PS3 only has 24 cores and the Xbox like 48 but you need like 200 to be able to achieve this.
It really goes to show consoles really need a leap to catch up with current tech.
I simply don't like those who would deny another's open opinion.
GPGPU is just a way to make up for a weak CPU.
look at some vids for prove---
Here is a benchmark of GPGPU on an integrated card:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Water simulation and other stuff on the GPU (Just Cause 2):
http://youtu.be/xD12qEsAeq8...
http://youtu.be/D_zOlxxNSy4...
As you can see there is no difference. Having a decent CPU and GPU > GPGPU on a GPU.
*facepalm*
Direct X is a microsoft API used only by Microsoft products.
Sony uses OpenGL.....
*facepalm*
So many trolls, so many fanboys.
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Sheesh.
It's like they brag about paying to play multiplatform games online and that's all they know...
Although, this one seems the closest to legit. Let us hope it is true, as this would prove the industry analysts wrong about them cheaping out next gen.
*Insert awesome claim about next gen console*
followed by
*this is from a super duper reliable secret source of ours*
Playstation Lifestyle actually dig some serious digging to gather info.
those who read the article entirely would know.
Why do I have to put up with this "old" DX11 tech in my games?
http://cloud.steampowered.c...
http://cloud.steampowered.c...
Weird, both look much better on my rig, what are your specs?
In the next gen, that will most likely be wiiu by at least a small amount... plus, the wiiu will have been out longer, meaning devs would have more experience working on it and it will also be cheaper.
If it is anything like the ps2 era, wiiu will have the mostvsoftware support of the 3 and be the cheapest.
I'm calling BS on this article.
The article states -
'it’s almost guaranteed the 720 will use DX11. That’s why it’s important to hear that Sony are working on an equivalent API'
MS really has the edge in the catagory, although others have been catching up.
I really hate the market fragmentation.
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I'm a bit scared that the PS4 would really end up like that because GPGPU is an obvious cheap trick to get away by putting a weakass CPU to save some money on hardware. But at the end it will come back to haunt them because Devs will not be able to push graphics because the GPU will be too busy doing work that should be done by the CPU.
this is based solely off of factual existing job listings from throughout SCE and its studios
You really don't have a clue about what you are saying, do you? Regarding R&D by Sony please take a look in the link below:
http://www.google.co.uk/url...
Every tom, dick and harry's doing GPGPU stuff nowadays.
Regarding the article I've known about this stuff for a couple of months now so it really isn't new information.
Either way, I am excited at what they would have in plan for the successor to the PS3.
I hope they follow the footsteps of the Vita and include developers into the mix and getting their opinions on it.
For the next round of consoles, I hope the loading times would be eliminated or be drastically cut down.
I also hope jaggies (aliasing) would be a thing of the past as well. I hate those!
Lastly, I am looking forward to how different the controller(s) would be, and how we would be playing the new games. I certainly hope they do not eliminate the classic controller we all love (DualShock 3 / 360 controller etc.) and introduce a new form of playing that would be just as intuitive. (if that is even possible)
I'll agree that rumble was needed at launch, but I'd be disappointed if Sony drastically changes the dual shock design.
I've been gaming with those ps controllers for three generations now. Love the feel. Maybe adding more trigger-shaped L2/R2 buttons is as far as I'd go.
but you all bash it and say its shit.
but now the ps4 is rumoured to have one, its the second coming of jesus
yeah like this=
Nintendo does gpgpu = oh nintendo oh nintendo..what did you just done...the wii u is obsolete on arrival -.-
Sony does gpgpu = now THAT's the future of gaming! the PS4 will be leader of nex gen...
yeah ....right -.-
I would be fine with, and expect QuadCore 1.8Ghz to 2.2Ghz, 2GB-4GB RAM.
But when the PS4/720 do come out, i'd expect them with a lot more power. If not. Then what is the point.
DX11 has barely been touched. Because a lot of peeps still have dx9/dx10 cards. lowest denominator.
Also you're forgetting that the Wii U has triple the eDRAM of 360/PS3 at 32MB.
I'm really expecting a good Quad or Six-Core CPU in the PS4 around 1.5Ghz-2Ghz. It would be silly to have them anywhere near PS3/360's CPU clock speeds. Totally unnecessary since the tech today can do so much with lower speeds.
the wii u will have aquivalent graphical abilities thanks to its gpgpu...Nintendo did the right job putting this into their new console..
I'm so tired of speculation, this guy put the time in and worked his ass off for some info that could be backed up.
I tip my hat to you good sir, if half of gaming journalists had your kind of work ethic, we'd be better off.