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Submitted by lifesanrpg 623d ago | opinion piece

We don't need the Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4

GameZone writes, "It's an inevitable truth that we will see new gaming consoles from Microsoft and Sony sometime in late 2013. My view may be the minority, but I don't think we need a new Xbox or PlayStation console, unlike some people in the industry. I'm sure a lot of gamers want a new console just because it's something new to own, but I have a few problems with new consoles and the argument for them. Before you completely write me off, just let me explain my point of view." (PS3, Xbox 360)

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Hatsune-Miku  +   623d ago | Well said
Speak for yourself. Core gamers need next gen consoles the ps4 and xbox 720. I've wanted these new consoles since over a year ago and I'm looking forward to the upgraded tech of everything to enhance realism
LOGICWINS  +   623d ago
No one NEEDS consoles. That would suggest that you require them to survive. WANTING next-gen consoles is a different story.

If your a core gamer, then you would understand that upgraded tech and enhanced realism come at the expense to greater development costs. The more a game costs to make, the less creative leeway devs will be given because publishers will want them to focus on creating guaranteed hits(Halo, COD, Halo imitator, COD imitator etc.)
zebramocha  +   623d ago
@logic Then explain crysis1? And I heard that games start out with these high poly character then made to run on consoles.
JoGam  +   623d ago
Dude your comment...needs, wants....it ain't that deep.
scotchmouth  +   623d ago
Jogam wins this round
ozzywazzy  +   623d ago
@logic

Obvious and unnecessary. Stop trying so hard. Its clear your not a learned man.
nrvalleytime  +   622d ago
@ozzywazzy

2 Thoughts:

1. I've seen LOGICWINS make insightful comments in several forums and discussions. Don't accuse someone based on one statement and without actually addressing what he has said.

2. Speaking of learned - It's, not its. And you're, not your.
darkride66  +   622d ago
Logicwins couldn't be more spot on. It takes tremendous resources for developers to push hardware and even this gen, few developers can do it effectively. New hardware isn't suddenly going to change that because the hardware isn't the bottleneck for most devs.

And, like logic stated, the more money that becomes invested in a product, the less chances will be taken. We don't only see this in videogames. Many in the movie industry have commented in the past how ballooning budgets rob them of their creative freedom as everyone becomes involved to try to protect their investments. Video games aren't different in that regard. Even when the new gen arrives, don't expect too much.
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R6ex  +   622d ago
I could no longer wait for the PS4 & Xbox 720, so I dumped my PS3 and Xbox 360 for a high-end PC last year. Everything looks so much better!
ILive  +   622d ago
Its not the developers, but the people who consistently buy the cod and the halo's. Publishers would always play it safe when they know people are going to jump on the perpetual sequels without thinking " hey didn't I just play this last year and the year before."
Hydrolex  +   622d ago
YESSSSSSS We don't need those crappy consoles

all We need is WII U ! It's perfect.... NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
ShaunCameron  +   622d ago
Not just that but also the fact that the core market is stagnant which means even if the game does sell, a good portion of whatever revenue it generates will get eaten up by the costs resulting in less profit. And this is why the industry NEED the casual crowd.
Razmossis  +   622d ago
GTAV and MGS Ground Zeroes.

^^ Right now I couldn't care less about "next-gen".
pixelsword  +   622d ago
The key is if the software language is coded as efficiently as is can be for the technology they serve.

Since there was no breakthrough in hardware that allowed the use of GPGPU techniques, GPGPU coding can be done on the PS3 and 360 as well as the Wii U. The bad part is (and good part[in terms of extending the console life]) GPGPU as we know it has not been utilized on any console in a large way much at all at this time. In a way, on the PS3 is has been done more, but just in reverse in that the "GP" of the GPGPU has been done on the Cell and not the RSX (GPU).

The problem is that a lot of games haven't been optimized for use on the cell processor; which is why you get games like Black ops that isn't really as graphics intensive as a game like, say God of War, but doesn't run as efficiently when compared with God of War. The first big secret of the cell is that you run all of the heavy work through the cell, you would have plenty of ram for other things to do just like Julian Eggebrecht said... but the second theoretical part is that even when you do that, if after you run everything through the Cell you apply principles of GPGPU techniques to the RSX you should be able to have games that should be able to do the fabled 1080p, 60fps on games larger than the boards of Lair with no problem.

This is best guess here, but IF (a huge-frickin' if) someone comes up with an algorithm or efficient enough code to streamline the physics code and/or vector calculations coming to the cell to the degree that the code can ignore the RSX altogether (what I think the ultimate purpose of having the Cell-RSX setup was in the first place) you should have very efficient numerical data coupled with graphics code that has been bounced from the cell back to the RSX to be manipulated as GPGPU code, which should run very fast and even better with a higher resolution.

Basically, Cell for all of the math (if possible) RSX, ram for everything else (which should give you an even larger playground once GPGPU principles are applied).
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kupomogli  +   622d ago
@nrvalleytime

Not to be of any offense, while the word and can be capitalized and used at the beginning of a sentence, your usage of the word is not one of those times.

Everyone makes mistakes. I'm sure that I've made a mistake or two in this very post.
nrvalleytime  +   622d ago
@kupomogli

Grammar side, the word "and" can be used as I used it above for emphasis. Intentional fragments are rarely used, but I was purposeful above.

You're right, however - everyone makes mistakes. My issue pertained more to the spirit of the message. The grammar was just a bonus. :-)
Felinox  +   623d ago
I remember when I saw Battlefield 3 on a gameing rig. That's when I was ready.
Hellsvacancy  +   623d ago
Just look how crappy AC3 looks on the PS3, I knew then that id had enough of this gen

Im going to buy a PC after Xmas Ive decided
Septic  +   622d ago
Agreed. When I first booted up BF3 on my PC and played (Damavand Peak was the map), my jaw hit the floor. I couldn't believe it.

In fact, I'm off to play it now lol.
Godmars290  +   623d ago
Devs might "need" faster processors and more RAM, simpler system architecture, to deliver on promises made this gen which went quickly forgotten, but gamers have pretty much proven they'll take whatever they're given.

People wouldn't have bitched about Kinect, Blu-ray and an UD-DVD add on among other crap otherwise.
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Genuine-User  +   623d ago
Blu-ray is crap?
Godmars290  +   622d ago
@Genuine-User
The attitude towards it. That community and even industry negativity still lingers towards it.
GuyThatPlaysGames  +   623d ago
Think about it, even if the games were more "realistic" as you would say, the core gameplay is failing. Look at all the graphical powerhouse games. Almost all have failed once people look past the shiny new graphics. Only childish people want the next shiniest thing to look at but will be the first to complain when they realize the games suck. Answer this, what is something that can be done on next gen that just can't possibly be done right now??
Conzul  +   622d ago
Watch Dogs.
MysticStrummer  +   622d ago
It's funny that anyone agreed with Conzul since Watch Dogs will be on current consoles. The question is what can be done next gen that can't be done now on consoles. Graphics fall into the shiny object category that Mike mentioned. A better answer would be Planetside 2 or BF3 with the bigger maps and player count.
TBlank20  +   622d ago
Exactly! You spoke my mind.
aquamala  +   623d ago
Look at BF3, AC3, Far Cry 3 on a gaming PC and tell me you don't want that on a console!
bloodybutcher  +   622d ago
sure we do!at least i do.but i would settle for current gen visuals, just with more ram.6gb would be good already, compering to what we have now on consoles.
vortis  +   622d ago
Also, how about games like DayZ and Planetside 2? Big games that are memory hogs because of how much content they have on-screen at once?

We can't have nice things on consoles like that until we get new hardware. So yeah, I want new hardware.
2pacalypsenow  +   622d ago
Next consoles wont look that good those game require high end cards to max out and those cards cost around 300-400$
Ares84HU  +   622d ago
Whoever wrote this I got something to tell you:

You don't need to buy next-gen consoles when they come out. You can stick with X360 and PS3 for the rest of your life but we both know that you will be first in line next year the get either one of the next-gen consoles buddy.
geddesmond  +   622d ago
Yeah same here. Its funny cause if fools who write articles like this take a look at games like Far Cry 3 on consols and then see the game run on maxed out settings for the PC would they still say we don't need next gen or that graphics and performance ain't everything.
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   622d ago
Title should be... "Why I don't want the Durango or PS4."
Amsterdamsters  +   622d ago
Being a "core gamer" has absolutely nothing to do with "needing" prettier graphics. If the next Xbox or PS don't add something other than prettier graphics that is actually useful in the game playing experience, then we don't "need" those systems...though, you might "want" them.
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NintyJazz  +   622d ago
PC games now probably have better graphics than what the ps4 or 720 have.
Not a fanboy, not even a pc gamer, just saying the truth.
Axonometri  +   623d ago
says you
tachy0n  +   623d ago
nothing lasts forever.
Eazy-Eman  +   623d ago
and we both know hearts can change
bloodybutcher  +   622d ago
and it's hard to hold a candle
Hanuman  +   622d ago
in the cold november November rain.

We've been through this such a long long time
just...
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nrvalleytime  +   622d ago
tryin' to kill the pain

But lovers always come and lovers always go
Wintersun616  +   622d ago
@nrvalleytime,

Sorry to be the combobreaker, but in this case

"But haters always come and haters always go"

would be more appropriate considering the title of this opinion piece of shit.
NYC_Gamer  +   623d ago
I'm very much looking forward to upgraded hardware and features...PS4/720 will be good for developers since they would have more power to work with.
Riggans42  +   623d ago
Is it a good thing for them? Or will more games be rushed and we'll see super HD remakes of old games. I want new consoles, but I also want devs and pubs to change their practices.
LOGICWINS  +   623d ago
What we're going to see is a lot of JRPG devs/publishers(Sega, Level 5, Altus) moving to the PS Vita. Altus has already showed much interest in the console(P4: The Golden) because dev costs remain low. The Yakuza/Persona series have proven that a game doesn't need the latest tech to be incredible.

The next-gen will be more money focused than any other generation to date. Online multiplayer will be shoehorned into more games and we'll be seeing much more season passes.
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richierich  +   623d ago
I think that its about time now for PS4 and next Xbox
Eyeco  +   622d ago
yes realistically all 3 next gen consoles should have been released by now, let alone revealed
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The_Infected  +   623d ago
They're speaking for all of us how generous! How about we the gamers decide that? It's time for next gen and we will see it at or before E3.
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Jumper09  +   622d ago
yep, cant wait to see the new xbox. With hopefully new IPs.
aviator189  +   623d ago
I don't know...I've had like ~$500 saved up for next-gen since the past year. In short, I'm ready.
BanBrother  +   623d ago
A whole $500????

You sir, are greedy. Share the love /s
aviator189  +   622d ago
Well, I've got to buy a launch game or two with the system. :p
Then don't buy one. I will though..
MilkMan  +   623d ago
Id have to agree with you 100% EXCEPT, I DO want to play certain games that each of these companies hold. Id like to play Gears of War (maybe if its better than 3) so that's M$' Xbox, I'd like to Play God of War, Uncharted and Infamous and the Heavy Rains of PlayStation and of course I love the great games of Nintendo AND their third party games that "somehow" no one spoke of this gen, but were there. So unless we can get a unified system.. I'm afraid we have to get them all.

Now I hear Apple and Valve want some also. LMAO.
Yeah....better get a 2nd and 3rd jobs.
sway_z  +   623d ago
The writer of this article is correct in stating we don't 'NEED' new consoles....

...But WE damn sure 'WANT' em!

Bring on the next gen ASAP....and hurry up already ;)
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Treian  +   623d ago
Because one article represents all of the gaming community right...
sandman224  +   623d ago
It's been long enough. I can say that I want a new Xbox/ps4. It has been way to long let the gamers decide we all want new hardware. I know the wii u just came out and to me throwing a touchscreen controller isn't cutting edge tech. I want to hear that next gen games look better than pc games. Bring it on Microsoft. Show us what you can do
seanpitt23  +   623d ago
Looking how bad farcry3 is on ps3 for eg the draw distance is shocking we really do need new consoles now
sway_z  +   623d ago
FC3 is not so bad technically....the draw distance is awesome for a console 6 years old, way better than Skyrims and many other comparable games.

Far Cry 3 is siiiick!

*Just seen your comment, okay no worries...edited :)
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seanpitt23  +   623d ago
No iam not trolling I only have a ps3 and never bought a Xbox so I can only judge the ps3 version and don't get me wrong it looks ok but you can deffo tell we need new consoles
Jumper09  +   622d ago
lol clean ur glasses pls. Far cry 3 on consoles runs horrible. 25fps max and 15fps in fights. That is horrible.
Farcry 3 is one of the games that shows that we need new Hardware.
Oh_Yeah  +   623d ago
Yeah..far cry 3 doesnt look that great on ps3, a bit blurry and jagedy. Still game of the year.
FarCryLover182  +   623d ago
I NEED and WANT it.
Kamikaze  +   623d ago
right,we dont NEED new consoles but its a good opportunity to catch up on new hardware and for better features so in a way we kinda need them.us
Kyosuke_Sanada  +   623d ago
If the sins of the this generation doesn't carry on to the next than I am all for a new one.....
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FarCryLover182  +   623d ago
Sins as in DLC, preorder bonuses, etc?

I don't think those are going anywhere :/
shinobi602  +   623d ago
Lmao, wtf is this?

Yes, yes we do need them. Tell that to the countless number of devs saying we desperately need new consoles.
brbobcat  +   623d ago
Those are the devs that can't find a way to make $$. They are using "old consoles" as an excuse for their poor product.

Do you honestly think games will become more fun or exciting with better graphics?
liquidhalos  +   622d ago
No i dont think graphics will make the games more fun and exciting but more resources available to use for physics and AI sure as heck will
hiphopisdead  +   622d ago
yes... better visuals are always better... i dont know what to say dude... but how does better visuals not equal more fun? are you opposed to higher resolution screens? bluray? cg in movies? or are you happy with VHS quality puppeteering special effects movies?
brbobcat  +   622d ago
@hiphopisdead

Yes, I am opposed to CG in movies. Look at what it has done to the quality of movies...Battleship, Transformers, the new Star Wars films.

Sure, better graphics can sometimes be nice in video games, but until developers learn innovation than sales will continue to slump.
hiphopisdead  +   622d ago
@brbobcat

it doesn't sound like you are opposed to cg in movies... it sounds like you're opposed to bad movies trying to use cg to make it better.

inception has cg, lord of the rings, avatar, jurassic park, star trek, 300, matrix 1, ... they are all awesome.

CG is not the problem... bad everything else is the problem... and if everything else is awesome! the visuals can kill it if it sucks... so really... you need everything to be perfect.
hiphopisdead  +   622d ago
@brbobcat

to add... are you saying you would have liked Battleship if it weren't for the cg? haha... that movie had failure written all over it. CG had nothing to do with it sucking.

Personally i think movies like star trek and 300 were awesome with cg... and even if you find a recent movie you like... chances are you'd prefer to watch it in HD or the theater.

And if you're one of those people that wait for a movie to come out on DVD and watch it on their old 480i/p setup... then all the power to you.
SprigganN4G  +   623d ago
yes, we do. it's called PROGRESS, end of story.
taquito  +   623d ago
since they will be a huge DOWNGRADE from the pc i play on right now, no, i don't really need them, but i still want them

i want new fresh console ip's (i still get them on the pc all the time) but my consoles don't even get turned on more than 3 times a year, why would they, 95% of the games are multiplat, they look 10x better on pc

i did play halo 4 for a week, and starhawk for a month, that is the extent of my console gaming this year

so, no, i could totally get by without ps4/nextbox, but i still want them, even though i know for sure, next gen consoles will have nothing on a current gen pc
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MysticStrummer  +   622d ago
Today's PC ass kissing brought to you by Tampax.
Zha1tan  +   623d ago
Im already in the next gen baby.
Erdrick  +   623d ago
the graphical leaps from console generation to generation are decreasing exponentially - i mean graphics are fairly realistic now, so it's impossible for the next 15 years to have the equivalent leaps from NES days to PS3.
hiphopisdead  +   622d ago
totally disagree... there are a few generations you're missing between NES and PS3. The difference between PS2 and PS3 will be just as big a jump IMO as PS3 and PS4.

as far as comparing the platforms using screenshots that fill up half your screen... you will still notice a difference... but the difference will be even more if the screenshot was actually 1080p! better yet... even more of a difference if you're watching the VIDEOS running at FULL 1080p.
Dlacy13g  +   623d ago
The realities are .....most people want more than just a game console at this point. PC gaming is making a resurgence and one of the bigger reasons is your pc no longer is stuck being in the office for many. Laptops and pc rigs are now 100% easier to hook to your TV's and get that big screen experience. multi tasking, playing high end games on your 50 inch TV all equates to what the mass consumer is now looking for in their game experience. Smany consumers have bought expensive huge screen TV's they want/expect to use them...and PC's are bridging that gap (big picture mode is another step in that direction).

Consoles have moved in the multi media direction, and they have had a degree of success in doing that. both the PS3 & 360 have media functions, web browsing, etc...HOWEVER... while the PC does all of these things pretty effortlessly consoles currently are merely able to do one thing at a time and that is directly related to their limited hardware and RAM. They still play great games...but its not simple to swap back and forth between Uncharted 3, Netflix and you web browser...its load screen after load screen to swap between the 3.

This is where new console hardware will evolve. The realities are Nintendo currently and MS and Sony will be launching boxes that are closer to PC's than ever before. And they have to be to survive.
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That-Guy  +   623d ago
"No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer" said Bill Gates, and look at where we are now. This author is just ignorant.
cee773  +   623d ago
Gates really said that? lol

shows his lack of vision.

such an ignorant comment stupid Gates!
mechlord  +   622d ago
THis is like saying *We dont need i3,5 and 7s because we ve got coreduo, dualcore, pentium 4s and the gang....*
hiphopisdead  +   622d ago
it's time for an upgrade in tech.

bottom line, PS3 can barely handle rendering games in 720p let alone upscale to 1080p. and when it does, it sacrifices a lot. Aliasing shadow clipping lighting issues. True 1080p games should look as clear and smooth as a pixar blu ray movie - 60fps at full native 1080p, and looking beautiful with Anti aliasing tessellation hd lighting ray tracing etc... that would be awesome! Some compare games like Battlefield or crysis on ps3 and pc and say "they look similar, why upgrade". But that's so incorrect. There is a huge difference, and instead of comparing screenshots that fills up half your screen, compare by playing the game on a high end PC vs PS3 and you'll quickly notice the difference.

Consoles are relatively cheap (vs. iphone fanboys that pay $700 a year for a new phone). Buying 1 console every 7 years is not "too soon".

And once all our hardware is updated, developers will not have to port to a lesser playing field, and games will just start looking even better. Game engines will be upgraded as developers slowly develop less and less for the ps3 and xbox360.

bring on the new tech!
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Kidmyst  +   622d ago
I want the next gens of Sony and MSFT to come but don't want to pay more than $60.00 for a game. With each gen upgrade comes more expensive games and in some cases nicer looking but much shorter games. If after this long, devs like Bethesda and Ubisoft still have issues making games, what can we expect with next gen? I want it but don't want it to be rushed. On that point RROD, give it to us when good and ready.
vortis  +   622d ago
From NES to PS2 the game prices didn't change.

Some Sega Genesis titles cost more than PS2 titles (remember Virtua Racing and Sonic & Knuckles with its lock-on technology?)

Each new gen DOES NOT increase the price of games. It's just that this gen the new R&D costs were pretty high at the start of the gen and the price of the games had to offset those expenses, hence the $60 price tags.

However, as the generation wears on -- as 2K Games CEO pointed out -- the tech gets cheaper, middleware is low enough in price that ANYONE who knows a thing or two about coding can make a game on a shoestring budget and more money is spent in optimizing a game than actually developing and producing it.

Realistically games should only cost $50. COD is literally recycled assets after recycled assets every year on end but they still charge $60. It's running on a four year-old engine.

For next-gen costs shouldn't be anymore than what they are now. All the software tech and middleware is already designed for next-gen hardware so there will no longer be high R&D costs like it was at the start of this gen, and it takes smaller teams to make higher quality games thanks to things like procedural physics and animation techniques that are available in engines like Unity, CryEngine and Unreal Engine. They just need the hardware capable of utilizing this tech to actually use it.
Yangus  +   622d ago
I want,but not coming next-gen cool,DQ,FF,Xenoblade,and Monster Hunter,MGS,etc only AAA fps....not insant buy..
ziratul  +   622d ago
We dont need new console if it's gona be just 30-50% better. They should wait 2014 or 2015.
Kran  +   622d ago
I cant help thinking about this:

wasn't it just a couple years after the release of the PS3 that gamers began ranting at how they wanted next gen? this has been going on for years now. After the next playstation and xbox releases, give it 2 years and people will complain yet again.

getting sick of all this.
josephayal  +   622d ago
I dont need a PS4/XBOX720, I WANT A PS4/X720
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