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Submitted by JonnyBigBoss 662d ago | opinion piece

The Wii U Hardware Is Fine, Graphics Are Costly And Overrated

GR writes: "Discussion boards ignited when the Wii U came out seven days ago. Gamers began to proclaim that the Wii U is last generation, and that it’s another gimmicky Nintendo trap. Not only are both statements untrue, but they are a disservice to the gaming industry." (Nintendo, Wii U)

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alexcosborn  +   662d ago
Interesting perspective. Great points, Jonathan.
kikizoo  +   662d ago
"gamerevolution.com"

Ok, fanboys spotted.
jbgamer  +   662d ago
Yep one commented. You.
NewMonday  +   662d ago
Most graphics are done by 3rd party engines like unreal, even small digital games, so cost is not that big
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dbjj12088  +   662d ago
A site that covers everything is a fanboy site? OK...
blitz0623  +   662d ago
Finally some positivity on the Wii U. I'm not an owner and don't plan to buy one soon, but these articles about its poor hardware or whatever are getting on my nerves.

Give the Wii U a break. Devs are only starting to work on the hardware. The PS3 and 360 weren't perfected only after a few years. Give these people time to get used to it.

Obviously it doesn't change the fact that they ARE limited by the hardware of the Wii U, but I'm seeing all these articles on how terrible the hardware is and whatever. The Wii U doesn't deserve that. Wait a few months and see where it's headed.
darkride66  +   662d ago
"Most graphics are done by 3rd party engines like unreal"

Graphics engines don't create graphics. You still have to pay all your artists to create the models, textures, map everything, lighting, effects, etc..etc. 3rd party engines give you a blank slate and tools for bringing everything together to form a game and it's not like they're new to the industry and suddenly everything's available on the cheap.

And then you still have to pay licensing fees to use those engines, which isn't cheap either.

I've been saying this for ages. The Wii was underpowered and it didn't hurt it's success. Right now the industry isn't hurting because hardware is holding them back. If it was, every game would be on par with Uncharted or Gears. The resources available to developers is what holds them back. Better hardware isn't going to change that.
Jake1111  +   662d ago
Graphics are overrated??? Then why not just stick with a PS1? These sites that are trying to justify Nintendo launching another "gimmick" are pathetic. Yes GIMMICK!!! They did the same thing with the WII. They keep the graphics and CPU chips to a bare minimum while condemning progress from companies like Microsoft and Sony as a waste. The simple fact is this. We want movie like experiences in video games. The movie business is moving MUCH faster than video games are. I want 1080P or great at 60FPS at blue ray quality 3D. Is that too much to ask???
Nintendo fans, it is time you BLASTED Nintendo for selling you a PS3 with a touch screen controller when they should have released a next gen console.......
thezeldadoth  +   661d ago
its gotten to a point where anyone with an opinion is a fanboy. everyone should just be drones and worship one console and like the same games huh. "gamers" are ruining the hobby.
AsimLeonheart  +   661d ago
"Graphics are over-rated." Oh really? Then why are Nintendo fans buying a Wii U? Go play Tetris on Atari or Mario Bros. on NES because those games are supposedly a LOT more fun than modern games. On one side you Nintendo fans are buying a new console with upgraded hardware and on the other side you are saying graphics do not matter. Hypocrites! Just accept it that graphics DO matter! They only do not matter when your console of choice is underpowered. LOL!
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Akuma-  +   662d ago
''Can't believe people want another huge leap that we had last gen. The PS3 and 360 were 20x more powerful than last gen. Do people realize how costly hardware would be that's 20x more powerful than the PS3?

Not to mention, over 130 gaming studios have closed this gen due to extremely high development costs. ''

lol, wii u is weak so just accept it and stop the spin. gamers need an upgrade and thats why the gaming industry is in a slump. core gamers who are the life blood to the gaming industry wants a mass hardware upgrade which will be xbox 720 and ps4. people will see a big difference with the enthusiasm of gamers when next gen consoles are shown. itll be more costly than the wii u but mass gamers will flock to it and buy them. i cant wait for next gen consoles.

core gamers are willing to pay a premium for a big hardware upgrade with cutting edge tech. its funny how these so call nes fanatics that dont care about graphics or power are buying the wii u and not being satisfied with wii, ps2, gamecube and such older consoles. also if they are so concerned about pricing of ps4 and 720 then why would they want a more expensive wii u instead of cheaper more power xbox and ps3.
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jbgamer  +   662d ago
The wii u i s weak so the ps3, and 360 where weak then huh? And a lot of developers have said the wii u is 3x more powerful then the "weak" ps3, and 360. So what you say people want, and what they actually want is not up to you, if they want the wii u, they will get it, if not then they will not. You do not make up their mind they will do that themselves.

The reality is graphics are a non factor now wii u has a little better graphics then the 360, and ps3. Accept it. And the next ps4, and 720 will hardly look any better then the wii u, when it happens you will be in such shock you may not play any more games companies have went bankrupt like acclaim, and midway because of the graphic lovers who just play games for pretty pictures, and remember everyone thought no HD the wii is dead, motion control, well they won. So again it is not up to you to decide if people want the touch screen to them if that is next gen, and the wii u wins, then accept it, and move on, and i hear the 720 is making a touch screen so i guess the 720 is not next gen, and the ps4, and 720 have inferior gpu, and cpu's reality check look it up i guess they are not next gen either only pc is then right?
StraightedgeSES  +   662d ago
"core gamers who are the life blood to the gaming industry wants a mass hardware upgrade which will be xbox 720 and ps4".

Like many people said in the past if you want mass hardware upgrade build a PC.
StanSmith  +   662d ago
@Akuma

You quoted this; "Not to mention, over 130 gaming studios have closed this gen due to extremely high development costs. '' but you never answered it.

It's all well and good wanting the big jump in graphics and as you say, there are people out there willing to pay the price, but what will you do when many of our loved developers have to close because of high development costs?

This Gen has shown how easy it is for some gamers to be extremely picky. How will developers cover the increased costs? By increasing the price of games. When they increase the price, people buy even less games. When games get less sales, studios close. When there are not many left, you have an expensive paperweight.

Which brings me to my next point. This big jump just isn't going to happen. MS and Sony will not be willing to make huge losses on the hardware this time around. Developers do not want to have to suffer closures due to the increase in development costs and lower sales. It's just not going to happen. Consoles are not going to reach the levels of a GTX680 on a PC. Not soon anyway.
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knifefight  +   662d ago
Akuma's quote of "core gamers who are the life blood to the gaming industry" made me laugh.
ShaunCameron  +   662d ago
<core gamers who are the life blood to the gaming industry wants a mass hardware upgrade which will be xbox 720 and ps4.>

Um. No. The core gamer crowd isn't big enough to keep the industry afloat. Never was. They weren't big enough then and they're still not big enough now. Besides, console-manufacturers didn't spend all that money on R & D and manufacturing costs so they could sell consoles to just a handful of people unless they're willing to pay a fortune.

<core gamers are willing to pay a premium for a big hardware upgrade with cutting edge tech.>

Neo-Geo, 3DO and the Saturn all say "HI!"

<its funny how these so call nes fanatics that dont care about graphics or power are buying the wii u and not being satisfied with wii, ps2, gamecube and such older consoles. also if they are so concerned about pricing of ps4 and 720 then why would they want a more expensive wii u instead of cheaper more power xbox and ps3.>

It's even funnier how Sony/Microsoft fanboys care so much about graphics but are too unwilling/broke/lazy to get a decent gaming PC rig.

Could the real reason why some Nintendo fanboys are not buying either the current or the upcoming Sony/Microsoft console is because they're just simply not interested in the games they have to offer? All the graphics, features and pricing in the world can't compensate for a game that doesn't resonate with them.
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Cam977  +   661d ago
From the top of my head I can name the following - now liquidated game companies from this gen:
• Pandemic
• Nihilistic
• 007:L developer
• SOCOM developer

I'm sure there are tens of dozens more.
jimbobwahey  +   661d ago
@jbgamer

"The reality is graphics are a non factor now wii u has a little better graphics then the 360, and ps3. Accept it. And the next ps4, and 720 will hardly look any better then the wii u"

Considering that Wii U ports of multiplatform games look and perform noticeably worse than their PS3/360 counterparts, are you seriously trying to say that Sony and Microsoft will release consoles that are less powerful than the current generation?

What is actually more likely to happen is that we'll see a repeat of the current console generation where people said the PS3/360 wouldn't be much more powerful than the Wii and there wouldn't be much of a difference etc, and just like those two consoles blew the Wii so far out the water that third party developers abandoned Nintendo en masse, we'll likely see similar results once the next Xbox and PS4 roll around.

Of course, the fact that third party games traditionally never sell well on Nintendo platforms will also likely contribute to that as well.
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NewMonday  +   662d ago
I think it needs to be coded different to get the best out of it like the PS3 developers are complaining because they can't simply re-scale like they do with the 360.
zebramocha  +   662d ago
@shok lies,it's the developers choice not necessarily the hardware that dictates the way a game looks and you have to take in to account other factors as why some studios closed than just game cost.
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SilentNegotiator  +   662d ago
Spin, spin, spin.

Why shouldn't people want the possibility to see better graphics? And better draw distances? And more detailed models? It's not just visuals....it's also about gameplay.

Who cares if you think graphics are "over-rated"? Not all developers would spend a lot of money on graphics just because the system can. Did they re-do Minecraft to look like Halo on the 360? Nope. And for the developers willing to make better graphics....good for them. I would be glad to see them.

Besides, the worst problem is the slow CPU, not even the graphics. Ask 4A studios and DICE; they want to advance in things that are CPU-heavy.
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Jake1111  +   662d ago
Graphics are overrated??? Then why not just stick with a PS1? These sites that are trying to justify Nintendo launching another "gimmick" are pathetic. Yes GIMMICK!!! They did the same thing with the WII. They keep the graphics and CPU chips to a bare minimum while condemning progress from companies like Microsoft and Sony as a waste. The simple fact is this. We want movie like experiences in video games. The movie business is moving MUCH faster than video games are. I want 1080P or great at 60FPS at blue ray quality 3D. Is that too much to ask???
Nintendo fans, it is time you BLASTED Nintendo for selling you a PS3 with a touch screen controller when they should have released a next gen console...
fr0sty  +   661d ago
Oh, we're back to this argument again. Just like wii all over again... which may I add was dead in the water just over 4 years after it's release. Wii U doesn't even have the new type of controller gimmick to rely on this time either, since both 360 and PS3 have their own equivalents of the screen controller, and the next gen consoles Wii U was meant to compete against will likely have even more screen/controller integration capabilities (if that type of thing even starts to take off).
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Bigpappy  +   661d ago
Graphics are a major selling point, because many of the people how buy game are blown away by visuals and animation, even over gameplay, sadly.

Nintendo is unique in it's appeal, and will more than likely do well with this system which, I suspect, will do much better once developers get a better handle of it's strengths.

Having these popular ports release and under perform on the system, is not going to help efforts to attract core gamers, which I am sure Nintendo is aiming for. If this is a case of them sending kits out too late and having developer rush the ports, then it will take them a while to repair the damage and negative views, now held by many core gamers.
Shok  +   662d ago
Can't believe people want another huge leap that we had last gen. The PS3 and 360 were 20x more powerful than last gen. Do people realize how costly hardware would be that's 20x more powerful than the PS3?

Not to mention, over 130 gaming studios have closed this gen due to extremely high development costs.

The more people pursue -life-like graphics the more small and even well-known dev studios will die, and for what, just graphics.
Chuk5  +   662d ago
I agree. Mario galaxy is one of the best looking games this gen, and it wasn't even in hd.
adorie  +   662d ago
Dolphin wants a word with you regarding Mario Galaxy not being in HD.:P
XxWalksOfShamexX  +   662d ago
I wouldn't necessarily call it one of the best looking games this generation. On the wii, definitely. In terms of innovation, I would think you have a better point.
lashes2ashes  +   662d ago
I completely agree. This next gen will be about more AI, better lighting and more detail but I'm thinking we have hit a brick wall when it comes to a huge step in graphics, to costly for devs and the consumers.
jbgamer  +   662d ago
Agree, not the wii u is not gonna look much better then the ps3, and 360 and neither will the ps4, and 720 yeah they will be a little bit more powerful then the wii u, but it will hardly be noticeable, a lot of fan boys are in for a shock, and will be highly disappointed when reality hits. Oh yes the ps4, and 720 could try for more power but no1 we are hitting a wall, and no2 if they did can you say 600 bucks? More power is just not worth it good games make a system not graphics, remember the ps1? Inferior tech superior games. And the gameboy, the ps2, the wii, i could go on.
fr0sty  +   661d ago
The games already being shown for next gen consoles already disagree with that comment. Watch dogs? Easily as much of a difference between PS2 GTAs and GTA4. While you may not see 20x more polygons per player, the lighting, physics, shadows, post processing effects, etc. are so far beyond PS3/360 it isn't even funny. Being that all of those things contribute to the visual image being rendered (graphics), your statement doesn't hold water.

Compare the Final Fantasy real time tech demo from 2006 (PS3) to the new luminous engine tech demo before you try to respond to this. Night and day difference.
dbjj12088  +   662d ago
This is an excellent point. Can you imagine paying 20x $600 for a PS4 at launch? nothanks.jpg
MidnytRain  +   662d ago
I don't think it works like that...
Cueil  +   662d ago
yes... that's just not reality... Xbox came out in 2005. We are talking about 8 years by the time the next gen console of Microsoft releases... There are sub 150 dollar graphic cards that are more powerful then both the consoles and you can realistically spend 600 and put together a really good mid range system. A mid range system that is more then 20X as powerful as current gen console. However I think the benefits of these are less on the graphic side and more on things like AI and Physics... benefits of graphics will be used for separating clothing from the body so it realistically interacts with the body of thee character... more realistic crowds in sports games.
NintyJazz  +   662d ago
Not only that, because of the high costs developers will be less willing to take risks in the gameplay. We will have a repeat of this gen, games trying to rip off each other and ending up dull and boring for the sake of great graphics and tech.
miyamoto  +   662d ago
How you people lowered your standards! The difference between Nintendo & the Nintendo fanatics
So now you are telling us that the Zelda HD Nintendo teased at E3 does not look AAA amazing graphics and does not matter anymore because Wii U ain't capable of doing it?

With all due respect, I disagree with your comment.

Are you under estimating Shigeru Miyamoto, bro?
LOL, How you people lowered your standards! 

There will always be a time & place for Low & Big budget AAA games with great quality & fun game play to co-exist.

Just like there will be parents & children gamers its perfectly fine for all gaming platforms to co-exist from cheap mobile games to big budget AAA mature titles.

That is why there is demand for Nintendo & Sony PlayStation platforms & exclusive titles.

Concerning the Wii U, don't down play the importance of games that go for graphical superiority because it has been the goal & direction games naturally meant to achieve since the 8-bit era.

Whether realistic or stylized, aren't you happy video games progressed in terms of video graphics & game play? From Game & Watch to PS3 or Pacman to Uncharted 3?

That is not bad progress.

The real problem is fans expected way too much from Nintendo only to be disappointed when they got the exact opposite of their lofty expectations.

On innovation, Nintendo gives out the Pro Controller which looked like a 360 controller.
On graphics, Nintendo gives out parity with PS3 & Xbox360 instead of Unreal Engine 4 capable power house.

Nintendo followers should have known better how Nintendo rolls by now ... but no they don't. Only those with common sense understand.

Stop the double standards, stop the mood swings & damage control because Nintendo doesn't need it.

See that is the difference between Nintendo & the Nintendo fanatics.

I remember Mr. Iwata said they want to make games for the core & mature hobbyist gamers who prefer beautiful realistic looking games. I have no doubt Nintendo will deliver on that promise.

I am pretty sure the Wii U has the chops to run the Zelda HD game teased at E3 it may even rival Uncharted 3 or the on PS3 but this back pedaling of Nintendo fanatics is really annoying like they have lost common sense at all.

I bet when Miyamoto-san unveils the promised Wii U Zelda in full HD glory your jaw will drop to the floor, crap your pants,eat your words, and say "Mama Mia, Great Graphics Does Matter!"
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FlairSomewhere  +   662d ago
Nintendo followers aren't the ones up in arms, though.
It's those who aren't even prospective buyers just hating because they only have enough money for their current console.
lilbroRx  +   662d ago
Sorry, but the majority of Nintendo fans still think bigger and better graphics don't matter much and will continue to do so.

The only reason it keeps coming up is because PS3/360 fanatics insist on making it an issue and promoting every negative nuance they can find.

They flood Nintendo news and articles with negative things to say about Nintendo and its consoles' graphics endlessly, and the Nintendo fans are simply "responding" to what is being directed at them.

If fanboys from the HD twins weren't trolling Wii U news all of the time, you would rarely ever see anyone talking about graphics in terms of them being better or not. They hadn't change there opinion at all. They are just correcting the misinformation and hate from people who insist on promoting this idiotic console war.
vickers500  +   662d ago
I don't necessarily want a console that's 20x more powerful than the ps3...

I would however like a machine powerful enough to run ps3/360 style games at 60fps with no jagged edges (like Killzone, Uncharted, Battlefield, RAGE). I don't care TOO MUCH about super textures, I just expect the next gen consoles to run ps3 quality games at a framerate and visual style comparable to how the pc emulates console games, such as Super Mario Sunshine.

I played a bit of that game on an emulator and it was absolutely gorgeous, and vibrant. It was more visually pleasing than most games out there today, and it's a fairly old video game, but the anti-aliasing for that did wonders.

It makes me think about all the other games released this gen, and how amazing they'd look if they weren't hindered by a locked framerate or a lower resolution.
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lilbroRx  +   662d ago
What you suggest is illogical, because the attributes you suggest are auxillary.

Things like aliasing, and frame rates are not set in stone. The same with resolution. No matter how good a game looks with those things, you will be able to make one look better at lower setting.

No matter what a GPU can do at 1080p. It will always be able to do more at 720 do to freed up resources. It will be a long time before we reach a point where "everything" will be in 1080p. We're looking at the generation "after" the next minimum.
vickers500  +   662d ago
Maybe. I guess part of it relies on the developers willingness to make something that isn't trying to outshine everything else in terms of textures, and instead stays at a certain graphical level while making that graphical level as good as it can be (by making the framerate 60fps, the resolution 1080p with no jaggies).

I was hoping with these next gen consoles that these devs would build in some sort of emulator like the pc has, that would make the previous gen games run at their full potential, like have the ps4 be able to run those games I mentioned earlier run at 60fps/1080p.
DwightOwen  +   662d ago
Something else that many don't consider: in the past, from the NES to SNES to the N64 and GameCube, all you had to do was simply double the power of the console to achieve a significant leap in graphics, because in the end, everything was still being rendered at 480 lines of resolution. Now that we're in the HD era, to achieve a significant leap, we had to at least QUADRUPLE the power, even more if we want to see games being rendered at 1080p 60 fps.
humbleopinion  +   662d ago
Answers:
Hardware 20x more powerful than the PS3 (or X360, which is for the most part more powerful) should now cost less than PS3/X360 originally launched for. This is because Moore's law on how performance for the same price doubles about every 18 months.
Since we had the current gen running much longer than previous gen, it is expected to have next gen console which is 20x more power costing less than last gen consoles originally did. We should be expecting around x40 increase in power for the same price: 2^(8/1.5)

As for the studios: in the same time period where over 130 gaming studios have closed, hundreds more have opened. The barrier of entry for console development is now smaller thanks to XBLA/PSN and other services and tools which allow for lower cost development.
Zodiac  +   662d ago
Very good points.

And as Shok mentioned above, many game studios have gone under sue to high developments costs.

Maybe one of those developes would have created your favorite franchise if they did not go under? Maybe one of these studios would have been the driving force behind next gen?
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JonnyBigBoss  +   662d ago
Agreed. Development costs are nasty.
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Cueil  +   662d ago
generally speaking those that went under did so because they planed poorly or misjudged audiences. I think that many of the smaller companies make their living off XBLA and PSN before moving on to bigger titles. Also seems like the PC has become a secondary market for those style of games. It's not a bad idea to build brand awareness on PSN and XBLA and move those smaller games to PC after.
ftwrthtx  +   662d ago
The HD jump from PS2 and Xbox graphics up to PS3 and 360 graphics will never be duplicated, and people thought it would be in the upcoming gen.
Chuk5  +   662d ago
I'm sorry but we can't afford another insane leap. And people asking for such aren't thinking practically. The fact that game needs to bank 3 million to be successful tells us that. Especially all these engine boosters like crytek and epic, obviously they just want to make money. Just make the games play well, because the systems will already be more powerful than the crazy stuff we're already doing. Look at Halo 4 and Last of Us.
NYC_Gamer  +   662d ago
It's a real problem when people think better/updated hardware only benefit the graphic department.
PopRocks359  +   662d ago
It's what gamers have come to expect though. We went from bits to polygons and now we have gone from polygons to physics/AI/resolutions.

The thing is people want the next Xbox and Playstation to have Pixar-like graphics. That simply isn't going to happen lest the manufacturers want to lose a cubic buttload more money than they would earn from it.
soundslike  +   661d ago
The only genre that really stands to benefit, in terms of gameplay, from better hardware at the moment is open world games. More detailed worlds, larger player counts.

However, 2D games have long been mastered, and small to medium scale 3D games have all the power they need to achieve their desired vision in gaming. Arena FPS have been mastered since Unreal Tournament, there's not much headroom there for better hardware to improve them. Action games have been at the top of their tier since DMC. The fact is, most games have the power they need now to be perfectly expressed, unlike 20 years ago where fully rendered 3D worlds were just a pipe dream.

For so many genres of games, the most important thing moving forward will be keeping up with the quality developers have achieved in the PAST. Theres something very special about that, and if we throw it out for "progress" we'll be very sorry.
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ylwzx3  +   662d ago
If you want a giant leap in the next round of consoles be prepared to open your wallet. It just simply isn't going to happen for the affordable price everyone wants.
BrianC6234  +   662d ago
It isn't that expensive. PC graphics cards already are way past this generation of consoles.
ylwzx3  +   662d ago
It isn't that expensive but the days of more powerful consoles for that $299 target everyone loves is fading away.
nypifisel  +   662d ago
Well the price for a high end graphics card today costs more than the full retail price of the Wii U.

That's 400$ just for one component (GPU), if people believe the next generation will ever come close to the performance of these cards they're simply dreaming.

Now granted it's not exactly the same thing, buying in massed amounts of chips for a console and a single PC GPU but the technology do cost a lot, not only manufacturing but the GPU development needs to be paid back too.
RevXM  +   661d ago
@ nypifisel

So have Ive been dreaming all this time playing my ps3 and 360 that launched with HIGH END components???

Because their GPU's were so good that the equivalent gpus on store shelfs were 400+ dollars?
Lets keep going by this logic that consoles manufacturers goes to your favourite electronics dealer to put their hardware in to a shopping cart.
Their cpus atthe time were really expensive. The cell atleast was probably worth a lot more than the RSX, then the BD drive. stand alone players at the time was like 9+ hundred dollars, fast GDDR3 and XDR RAM couldnt have been the cheapest and there is bluetooth, wi-fi, usb, ps2 hardware and other things etc. so by this logic the ps3 should have cost like 2 000 dollars? (guesstimation)

Sorry to break it to you but a ps3 cost 800 bucks in total to put together and the 360 prolly 500-600. And they both have been succesful and made money and good profit according to a thouasand more recent articles...

Why is that? Mass production, time and redesigns to cheapen manufacturing cost does that. So I dont think high end machines are out of the question at all. Ill bet we will see a 400-500$ system with high end spec in the coming year or two because there actually is a demand for a high end system as well as a cheaper one.
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NYC_Gamer  +   662d ago
I'm sure MS/Sony get cheaper deals on cpu/gpu/ram since they buy them for wholesale in bulk....The real problem is that people are trying to make excuses for the Wii-U and its lack of real next gen hardware.
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DaPrintz  +   662d ago
Both of your comments are reasonable. I also remember getting Xbox360 for $400 and a $600 PS3. The 360 Elite was $500. Your points are valid. We were willing to pay for powerful machines even at those price points. We're not asking for high end pcs. What we want are noticeable leaps in performance and graphics. Simple as that. Not asking for photorealism or Avatar shit. We want larger multiplayer counts and maps, more and smarter AI, and sure a higher quality in resolution/fps/graphics. Its happened with every other generation. Why not this new one?
Norrison  +   662d ago
Not really, you can get a 560 ti for around 200$, next year the price will probably drop to 150, companies always make a discount so
100-150$
You can get an i3 for around 80$ which should be an amazing improvement over current gen consoles.
60-80$
You can get 8gb of ddr 3 1600mhz for 30$
20-30$
Power supply a 600w power supply should be enough for this build those go around 50$
30-50$
Mother board, a z77 family mother board should be enough, the one I would recommend for a console is around 140$
100-140$
The case, I'm not sure how much it costs, since it's small I say it's around 40$
20-40$
The Drive a BR drive costs 50$
30-50$
HDD, a 250 gb hard drive is around 40$
20-40$

So the final console price will be
380-580$

That's costly but the companies may get discounts or cheaper equivalents which can lower the price to 250-400

So the consoles' price for the public would be
300-500. Those specs would be a HUGE jump from current gen consoles
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Moerdigan  +   662d ago
Mid level developed game titles have really took a nose dive this gen (games that aren't quite aaa/blockbuster monsters).

These games tend to be some of the best titles each gen and have more variety.

I think WiiU will help make an environment for those games down the line.
Baka-akaB  +   662d ago
I can agree with some of the arguments made above BUT with a big limitation . Some are way exagerated and feel already like excuses .

Granted the passage from sd to hd was a leap we are unlikely to see , bare big surprises , with the next upcoming consoles .

Howver going over the 720p/30 fps hurdle is no small feat and will still be revolutionary enough for graphics .

people forget how on any of the current consoles , sub hd has been the norm actually . Or how 30 fps , an already feeble amount , arent even attained on a constant basis with many games .

A rather average looking game such as cod now , looks almost gorgeous on pc via higher resolutions .

Having a constantly solid enough performance should be great enough , we dont have that on consoles

We aint even truly in the hd ready era , console wise , so it's way too early to decide how big the next leap will be or not

Finally like other said , raw power was just never helping graphics for game , but every other areas of gaming developpement . Why pretend we would enjoy a more limited experience the same ?
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ftwrthtx  +   662d ago
Only problem with this argument is that a few PS3 games run at 1080p/60FPS. Ridge Racer 7 did this at the launch of the PS3.

It's the developers that limit the graphics, as they don't seem to want to basically create the same game twice.
Baka-akaB  +   662d ago
Very few runs in 1080p on ps3 and even less at 60 fps at that resolution , especially without trade offs .

Virtua Tennis 3, FIFA Street 3 and NBA Street Home Court are examples of others although the latter two drop the framerate from 60 fps to 30 fps in order to achieve it.

It was a mediocre game with low detail textures and relatively low poly cars .

Both consoles have trouble rendering at 720ps/60 with insane amount of details , let alone 1080p .

There are more 1080p games on the PS3 but they're only 1080p in the sense that they output 1080 lines vertically . The exceptions are exceptions from the most talented devs so far .
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cleft5  +   662d ago
Sorry, but I like graphics. I am okay with the WiiU because I feel it can deliver the graphics that I want. I never brought a Wii because it could not give me the graphical experience I wanted. The WiiU is a powerful machine and it will have great graphics for games, so people can feel free to stop pretending like graphics don't matter.
lashes2ashes  +   662d ago
Just because they matter to you does not mean its a big deal to other people. Do you buy games just because of graphics? Art style is a huge factor in what looks good. look at journey or even the walking dead games neither one will win awards for graphics but both look extremely amazing in there own ways. And both have sold extremely well.
aquamala  +   662d ago
Since when have console gamers cared so much about hardware specs? I thought its all about the games
Baka-akaB  +   662d ago
Since always . You must have forgotten or missed the numerous debates and discussion over 8..16..32 bits , the size of cartridge , ram , chips and effects like super fx .

Just because it wasnt as important as in the pc world never meant it wasnt important
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Smashbro29  +   662d ago
In short: The WiiU will have the Nintendo games, so get it for that and then get the next X-box/Playstation comes out and makes a big technical leap just get one of those and keep your WiiU around for Mario/Zelda/Metroid/etc.
pennywhyz  +   662d ago
This is a cash and carry world.....You Get What You Pay For.
Thepcz  +   662d ago
wiiu graphics demo
remember the zelda wiiu demo that wowed everyone?

remember that demo in a japanese garden which a bird flew around and the seasons changed?

both were impressive demos which showcased the wiius (supposed) graphical ability.

roll on a year and we have nintendoland and mario bros wiiu

what happened?

people keep sighting the zelda demo as a benchmark for what is possible, but so far NOTHING has even come close to showing the wiiu is actually capable of producing those graphics in real time.

the japanese garden demo was a clear advance over what ps3/360 does. but yet, no wiiu game shows any of that promise.

has nintendo pulled the wool over our eyes?

there are actually laws against false advertising!
animegamingnerd  +   662d ago
i personally think we will see the great looking games at E3 like a 3D mario or zelda but we will most likely see what retro is working on and knowing them it could surprise a lot of people
nypifisel  +   662d ago
I'm pretty sure neither of those were pre-rendered but were actually drawn in real time by the Wii U hardware. That just gets to show what you can do when you design something for a specific hardware. We've come to a standstill in the current gen but the Wii U still got all its miles ahead of it.

I'm really impressed with what developers have managed to do with the current gen console tech in terms of visuals, though I am of course a bit bitter since the importance of profit (read: need for games to get a console release) really hampered the evolution in the graphic and physics department. Had these engines been made solely with High End PCs in mind games would've looked many times better today, something people seem to forget.
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Knushwood Butt  +   662d ago
Let's not forget that there's practically nothing in Super Mario Bros Wii U that couldn't be done on a Wii, but hey, that's fine, let's all run out and buy a new console because it's Nintendo.....
MasterCratosKong66  +   662d ago
I would agree with you if the launch titles were the only games coming out for the Wii U in its lifetime
XxWalksOfShamexX  +   662d ago
Did you ever consider the fact that the console literally came out a few weeks ago. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Thokyo  +   662d ago
People thinking the PS2/Xbox > PS3/360 was a really big leap.
Don't actually agree with that. SNES/Megadrive to PS/Saturn/N64 was just unreal. PS1/N64 to PS2/Cube also was extreme.
I think the graphical leaps are getting smaller and smaller each gen.
animegamingnerd  +   662d ago
definitely eventually we will reach a point where games can't look any better
NYC_Gamer  +   662d ago
Do you think games like Uncharted were possible on PS2 hardware?better hardware adds to the whole gameplay experience not just graphics...
ambientFLIER  +   662d ago
Yes. Just not in HD.
artdafoo  +   662d ago
Correction, graphics are not that big a thing if the people buying your hardware are soccer moms and their 7 year olds. You can keep pretending nobody else cares, but we do. If we didnt wed still be playing Genesis games on 13 inch color tvs.
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PopRocks359  +   662d ago
Yeah but people who do care about specs are often within the minority as far as an entire audience is concerned. You said it yourself, kids and families who generally would not even care to know any better are the ones who primarily go out and buy game consoles.

If you (and I'm not speaking to you artdafoo, just speaking in general terms) care that much about specs, you ought to buy a tower and get your own computer parts. I personally fall more in line with the mainstream consensus and prefer the simpler route of buying and supporting a new platform every few years. No particular reason, it's just my preference.
ILive  +   662d ago
I am sorry but you are wrong about the fact that people who only care about graphics are in the minority. Would uncharted, god of war, assassins creed 3, Halo 4, final fantasy and more be the same without the graphics quality? No.
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PopRocks359  +   662d ago
@ILive

If that's the case then why did the Wii sell so well compared to all of its competition?
"The Wii U Hardware Is Fine, Graphics Are Costly And Overrated"

There you have it. When next gen graphics are not needed wiiU hardware is just fine.

Who needs this?
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Nintendo fans don't.

well that settles everything we can go home now.
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MasterCornholio  +   662d ago
Strange I thought Crisis 3 was coming out for the Wii U.

Anyways the only thing that Nintendo fans care about are Nintendo franchises.

Motorola RAZR i
PygmelionHunter  +   662d ago
I won't say that the Wii U wouldn't benefit from having its games look like that, BUT, are you really expecting that ANY company on the planet will actually put money into making such a powerful console?, wishful at best.

By posting this on a thread about a console and bashing Nintendo hardware, I assume you expect to see this graphical leap in the next bunch of consoles from either Sony or Microsoft, not to mention, from 3rd party titles such as the ones on the videos you provided, and at launch, since we haven't even seen what the Wii U will be capable of throughout the years, ok then... We'll see...
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DarkZane  +   662d ago
"The Wii U Hardware Is Fine, Graphics Are Costly And Overrated"

This is the kind of things a loser would tell himself to make himself feel better.
Ulf  +   662d ago
I agree with the author...

Wii U is a superb entry in the PS3/360 generation of consoles.

That IS what he's saying, after all. Oh the irony.
Megaton  +   662d ago
Agreed. Graphics don't matter. That's why I only play NES games.
Psychotica  +   662d ago
Ok, if graphics don't matter what does the Wii U offer that would make me want one? What are the games that will make me buy a Wii U instead of a PS4 or a 720? I haven't heard of a single one. Personally I want the maximum graphics possible because it makes the gaming world more believable, same reason I want a good TV to watch movies, a good sound system to listen to good soundtracks. It's one of the main reasons I game primarily on PC, though I have all the consoles. When games like Watch Dogs, Arma 3, Rome Total War 2 and most likely GTA V come out next year for the PC, I want the maximum experience..
unicron7  +   662d ago
Amen. To those that say "graphics don't matter", I say trade in your Wii for an Atari and have fun. Let's see how long that would last. I wish people would stop making excuse after excuse for Nintendo's lame business decisions. They are giving you a less than stellar, outdated product. Accept it and move along.
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hellvaguy  +   662d ago
HD is only a small portion of what wiiu offers. The Wii U doesnt have state of the art graphics but what it does offer is new experiences that previous nintendos couldnt do. For example, the new controller, hd, and different things going on in the background, interactions, all make up a fun experience.
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grassyknoll  +   662d ago
The next generation software engines are all about ease of development (Unreal Engine 4 & CryEngine 3 for example). I personally think development may not be as expensive as this one with proper budgeting, smart targeted advertising & good solid ideas.
Ck1x  +   662d ago
Funny that you say such things, because Epic games themselves believe that the development cost on both the PS4&720 will double! So much for UE4 lowering development costs...
unicron7  +   662d ago
I disagree. The moment they stop advancing graphics further is the day I stop gaming. I want technology to be pushed to it's limits and offer me new experiences in terms of look and artistic style. Main reason I didn't buy a Wii: I hate jaggies on my tv and low res visuals. They were fine for their time, but times, like everything else, change. For a company to release outdated tech this far into the game and expect people to pay premium prices for it is insulting. It was insulting in 2006, and it's insulting now. As far as price goes, it depends on the ease of the engine you are developing on. This article sounded like someone making lame excuses for bad hardware. What's sad is that I love Nintendo characters. Love Mario, Link, etc. but if Nintendo continues down the path of outdated hardware, they will continue to receive zero business from me.
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swishersweets20031  +   662d ago
most people i know that want a wii u dont care about having the best machine out there, they just want to play some mario and zelda ect..
wiiulee  +   662d ago
a corny joke from a hater...the wiiu's graphics card is two generation ahead of the ps3 and xbox...stop hating...read dev's comments..
ILive  +   662d ago
If Nintendo didn't care about graphics, then why didn't they just make a wii 2.0. Graphics matter people and both Ms and Sony need to show what their consoles are capable of next Gen in order for gamers to flock to it. Who wants a console filled with giimicks when all you want to do is game? I know the market is changing; but the soul of gaming as to remain in tact. What is all this talk about casual market anyway? All they play is angry birds and the like. Do people want to tell me that the 3 plus million people who bought assassins creed 3 and Halo 4 were all casual? I know why development cost are sometimes high and it also depends on how ambitious the project will be. The more quality there is to a game, which includes all the bells and whistles, the more consumers are likely to buy it. That is why we don't see many amazing games because they aren't all always ambitious (though taste is a subjective matter). I know I rambled on but all I am saying is that graphics does matter whether people like it or not. Perhaps not to the casual but definitely to the hardcore. If Sony and Ms are coming out with 2.0 versions of the current consoles, then this should be the end of console creation for both companies because it only means they are trying to take consumer money with something that's new and shiny. Consoles arent like phones where minor upgrades are made and people just buy it any way. Off course next Gen isn't all about the graphics either.
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1upgamer99  +   662d ago
The Wii U graphics are fine. They will get much better with time, and If you have not played Madden, BOPS2, Zombi U, or even Nintendo land on Wii U and Judge the system, STFU. You have no idea what you are even talking about. Nintendoland May be a ton of Mini games BUT it really shows off what the Gamepad can do. I get so sick of hearing people bash the Wii U and they have not even played it. Also with Wii U you can't play it for 10min and judge it you have to spend some real time with the system to even see what it is all about.
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Trago1337  +   662d ago
lol, do these users Honestly think that they'll get games running in 1080P 60fps on Ultra settings Next gen?

YOU WONT guys. Just get a PC, it's that simple.

i mean, damn, unless you fools WANT to pay $70-80 on a single game, Don't complain about hardware specs for a CONSOLE.

some of you guys on N4G have the stupidest arguments lol.
WiiUsauce  +   662d ago
I dont get all the Wii U hate. I own a PS3 and a 360, and I love my Wii U. I'm actually typing on my Game Pad right now. the web browser on the Wii U is amazing, and Smash Bros is coming, haters.
HalfNerdHalfAmazing  +   662d ago
Sony will sell the ps4 for $500 at a loss
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