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Submitted by Starfox811 664d ago | opinion piece

Is Xbox Live Dead?

"Sony may have been in the console race for longer than Microsoft has, but one thing is evident: Microsoft know how to create a strong online offering. They’ve been at it for the last ten years, who else could be doing a better job? Well, up until around a two years ago that may well have been the case, but now they’re no longer top dog when it comes to offering consumers value for money. For me, the tables began to turn on the Washington based giant thanks to the arrival of Sony’s PlayStation Plus." (Microsoft, PS Vita, PS3, Sony, Tag Invalid, Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox LIVE)

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NukaCola  +   664d ago
Well the fact is, LIVE won't die if people play Xbox. You aren't afforded the right to play online for free with MS so you have to pay to enjoy all the features you get on PSN and WiiU for free, at a price dictated by MS. Plus Xbox and COD are one this gen and the kids need their COD and they pay to play.

I do have to say, since you get everything LIVE has for free with PSN, minus a couple technical features like chatting, PS+ is a baller service for anyone who can afford the $50 a year to be in the club.
ShadyDevil  +   664d ago
One thing that really grinds me is that you used to need XBL Gold to run Netflix and Hulu+ and Amazon. Not sure if you still do, which means if you don't have gold but have a sub for either one of those services you would need AN ADDITIONAL service on Xbox 360 just to stream. Not the case with PSN and their Playstation platforms.
darthv72  +   664d ago
yeah you still need gold
but what is disheartening to me is that netflix has really gone downhill since not reestablishing their deal with Starz.

Al i seem to see is all tv shows now on the new releases. A few newer movies but my interest in the service is really dropping.

I used to use my 360 for netflix streaming but I now use my lg bluray player. So that could be one reason for me to drop gold. Although i do enjoy some multiplayer now and then but not enough to keep the live...alive.

I just reupped my sub for another year. We will see how much i use it this year before I make my decision.
GrandTheftZamboni  +   664d ago | Funny
I don't care about free online gaming and sh*tload of free games with PS+. All I need is cross-game chat and Facebook app. Waa.. Waa...

/s
GuyManDude  +   664d ago
@darth

Do what I do: get Netflix for one month, watch everything there is to watch, cancel for two, resin for one, cancel for two.

$32/year, still get to watch everything.
BattleAxe  +   664d ago
Optional PS+ with lots and lots of free games and themes > Mandatory LIVE with no free games and maybe the odd free theme.

Play Beyond!
Make Believe!
Playstation!
Blacktric  +   664d ago
You also need to be a Gold member to be able to use some ingame services. For instance, you can't redeem SHIFT codes for Borderlands 2 if you don't have a Gold account.
saoco  +   663d ago
@ Blacktric,

what!!! that's just stupid. no, that's too far.
pixelsword  +   663d ago
Far from dead...

...far from cheap also.
Elwenil  +   664d ago
I'm as big of a Sony fan as anyone but taking a look at all the people on Xbox Live playing games, there is no way I could ever claim it was "dead". I may not agree with why people pay for Live, but I can't deny that there are a lot of people on it. With all those people, I don't see how anyone could say it's dead.
BattleTorn  +   664d ago
Roughly about eqaul numbers play on XboxLive vs PSN, no?

At least the online-activity for more AAA games are equal, if not sometimes more (see:COD), on Xbox Live.
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caseh  +   664d ago
@Elwenil

Agreed, all the times i've heard 'x is dead' or 'x is dying' yet you will find online communities for nearly any game that has ever had one still in effect.

MSG4 (MGO) is a good example of a game thats apparently dead, logged in the other day for a blast. 4 Years on and I still had no problems getting a game.

I don't even own an Xbox and i'm not naive enough to believe LIVE is dying, its quite a laughable statement really.
Staircase  +   664d ago
@caseh

Considering the Metal Gear Online servers closed in June, I really doubt that.
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CandyCaptain  +   664d ago
@caseh It's dead now, as they patched it out of the game. At least we got trophies out of that. <.<'
caseh  +   664d ago
@Staircase

I may have exagerated when I said the other day but people were saying it was dead within the first year.

4 years later and it still had an active community right up to the point where the servers closed.
JellyJelly  +   663d ago
@BattleTorn - Sony do not release numbers on their PSN activity. If you have a source for it please share. All they release is their total number of users, which include PSP, Vita and PC users, as well as multiple accounts.

From what I've read it seems much harder finding people to play with on PSN, sometimes even when it comes to exclusive games. That's something you rarely experience on Xbox Live.
MaxXAttaxX  +   663d ago
COD sales are fairly equal on both systems.
Those are very high numbers on both consoles.
BOTH communities are large.

No one is saying that it's literally "dead".
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andibandit  +   663d ago
At the moment the Communities are fairly equal in COD on both systems, with the xbox having around 700k online users at peak hours and the PS3 having around 600k.
I expect the Xbox community to distance itself further since alot of people like me, spent their money on Halo 4 this month and are dying to try out BO2 when i get some money between my hands next month. That and the fact the PS3 Version is to say it mildly, temporarily Fu... Up.
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BattleTorn  +   664d ago
"minus a couple technical features like chatting,"

I nearly split my gut. LMAO.

""minus a couple technical features" ... "like chatting"

BAHAHAHA. Do you know how much I am in a Party-Chat? More than I game! (cause I enter one before I launch a game, or remain in one while changing games)

If I wanted to talk to a friend, who was in-game, on PSN - I'd have to call him!
calis  +   664d ago
wow...really. You'd have to call him? With, like, a real phone?
GrandTheftZamboni  +   664d ago
Phone = cross-console chat.
HammadTheBeast  +   664d ago
I can pay $50 for a Skype plan, or use it for free. What's your point?
Shepherd 214  +   664d ago
Last night me, playing Halo 4, and two other good friends playing Zone of the Enders HD and Madden 13 were all in a party chat talking about how badass Skyfall was and other things for hours. Me being in my mid 20s now and with the few friends anymore that I rarely get to see, Party Chat is pretty crucial for me. You can't do what I just described on PS3, we would all have to compromise on heading to Home or all 3 or 4 of us to be in the same game, which gets annoying at times. Sometimes I just feel like relaxing and not playing anything while I chat while everyone else bitches at black ops 2 and talks to me simultaneously.

Not saying PSN+ is inferior, but there are plenty here that mock Party chat and say it's not that great. To me and hundreds of thousands of others, it is. That's all I want to point out.
HSx9  +   664d ago
Seriously, I use Party Chat so much it's like second nature. It's a pretty big feature if you ask me.
Elwenil  +   664d ago
@Shepherd214,

Honestly, that sounds like a nightmare to me. My background is mostly PC gaming and we use Teamspeak or Ventrilo which allows anyone to be doing anything while in chat but it always drove me nuts having someone not in the game or in a different game on comms. The idea that half my team can be in a chat with people talking about god knows what instead of coordinating in the game is something I want no part of and many clans I have seen have similar rules.
Army_of_Darkness  +   664d ago
Using a real phone is sooooo 90's:-) lol!
DarthJay  +   663d ago
People claiming that a phone is the answer don't get the point. Party chat is amazing, and if it ever comes to PS4, I guarantee you will all wonder how you ever gamed without it and guaranteed be the first singing the praises.
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kreate  +   663d ago
@darthjay

That's Cuz some ppl actually do want it while the rest of the gamers would be happy Cuz its a single blow to shut the mouth or fingers of the Xbox fanboys claiming a cross game chatting feature is worth the money.

Ps3 has cross game chat. Its text activated while Xbox live is voice activated.

Wtf? Psn has cross game chat? I must be nuts huh?

EDIT: if its just "party chat" ps3 has it in the form of both text and voice up to 16 ppl.
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MaxXAttaxX  +   663d ago
I love when people tell stories about them using Party-chat.
Seriously, you guys are trying too hard.

PS Vita offers Party-chat for free. Up next PS4.

It's time to stop claiming that party-chat is worth $60 every year.
MRMagoo123  +   663d ago
The last thing i want when trying to strategise with a team is other ppl in chat talking about a tv show they watched last night or the game they are playing, trying to say that is a good idea is beyond a joke.

Also whats up with everyone saying the games are on loan i have 4 games from ps+ and i only got them during the free time they gave me to try it and the games still work months on ??
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pixelsword  +   663d ago
Some people say using a phone is no bother.

Other people say getting up to change a disc is no bother.

Different Strokes for different folks.
Gaming_Guru  +   663d ago
The PlayStation 3 does have cross game game, but it's in a text message format up to 16 people with three chat room up at once, making that 48 people at once.

To be honest I don't really use cross game chat especially playing online because it defeats the purpose. I think it's an overly hyped feature, like backwards compatibility, the majority will most likely not use it. Microsoft even removed that feature for Netflix without any complaints.
MysticStrummer  +   663d ago
I honestly wouldn't use cross game chat. I ignore psn text messages and my phone when I game. For single player stuff I want to be immersed in the world as much as possible. For multiplayer I want to talk about the same game to people who are playing the same game. If I want to "chat" I get in a party chat outside a game, but otherwise my mic is used for strategy and the occasional trash talking when I'm doing well.

OT - Hell no XBL isn't dead. That's just stupid. Yet another classic N4G headline that's designed to get hits. I wish people would do what I do and refuse to play along with this crap. If it didn't work to get hits it would go away or at least become much less frequent.
Shepherd 214  +   663d ago
Elwenil

Okay? Maybe it's a nightmare for you but it's a blessing for me.

It's the games fault if they don't require you to exit party chat to talk to teammates. CS GO requires you exit party chat to play, so does Dark Souls and certain COD playlists. If people wanna stay in party chat and not talk to you in game then they aren't as serious about the match as you anyway and it never mattered to begin with.

You don't need to communicate while playing single player madden or FFA halo 4 anyway so why not join a party chat with someone dicking around in AC3 and talk about how michael bay is F-ing up TMNT?
cooperdnizzle  +   663d ago
Cool story man. The main thing is most people who are gamers are in fact gamers, they don't want to chat like a little girl on a phone , they want to play there game end of story. gaming is about gaming, get a phone..
BitbyDeath  +   663d ago
@Sherperd, i can see where your coming from, i personally wouldn't use it but can understand why others would.

The bigger question is if PSN get it free on PS4 (as Vita has it now) then don't you think MS should stop charging?

Also if Sony can offer it for free then don't you think MS should not be charging right now as well?
I hope sony does big things with gaikai.

They are using their new moneys to support it.
http://www.egmnow.com/artic...

Next gen I will be a psn & still be a steam user. great times.

MS is the closest to being like apple out of the three companies. imo.

Hell they compete with apple also.

lol I wish steam tried to charge for multi-player. lol it would have one user per day, 80 petitions and would get hacked in the same day.

Xbox users are a weird bunch.
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MRMagoo123  +   663d ago
i agree
aquamala  +   664d ago
Cloud saves are not free on psn
nukeitall  +   664d ago
Everybody keeps telling me how PSN is sooo much better, yet it is so much harder to schedule a game with my friends. Especially friends I don't communicate with outside of the online gaming community.

How the heck does PSN people schedule a game?

On XBL, I jump in to the party and when a spot opens up or my friends finish a game, they let me know and I jump in. That makes online gaming with friends sooo much easier.

Can't do that on PSN, so I think most people on par feature wise while PSN gives better value really doesn't use XBL for online gaming *with* their friends.
braydox21  +   663d ago
they use telepathy
Nitrowolf2  +   663d ago
"On XBL, I jump in to the party and when a spot opens up or my friends finish a game, they let me know and I jump in. That makes online gaming with friends sooo much easier."

Is that like a feature??
IDK , don't own Xox but I typically just PM them or invite them to a group chat (works in-game).
insomnium2  +   663d ago
LOL you said "jump in" twice.
ThanatosDMC  +   663d ago
Learn2Telepath.... lol!
MRMagoo123  +   663d ago
i find it very easy to get friends together on the ps3 , if you think its a challenge maybe you should stick to the xbox lol.
MysticStrummer  +   663d ago
On PSN your friends can let you know when a spot opens with a text, so what you described can in fact be done on PSN.
ALLWRONG  +   663d ago
But you don't get all the same features on PSN.
JimmyDanger  +   663d ago
One thing people never seem to mention about LIVE is that (with the exception of older EA games because they insist on running their own servers) - any game for 360 I've bought - I can play online, regardless of age.

If I pick up any random old launch title - and I have a friend who has it too, and we want to play online together - no worries. A game of ChromeHounds anyone (a 3rd party game that came out 6 years ago)? Not a problem. A game of Motorstorm Pacific Rift (a 1st party game that came out 4 years ago) - out of luck, grab a black texta and cross that "online multiplayer" checkpoint off the back of the case.

That's another network maintenance/infrastructure thing that makes the $5 a month worth it to me. And as someone with widely varied taste in games, who is prone to nostalgia on occassion - it suits me.

Not to say PS+ isn't a great service - just putting it out there.
DragonKnight  +   663d ago
That's probably a case of P2P servers vs Dedicated servers. It's a known fact that Live games typically use P2P more than Dedicated and vice versa for PSN. I don't know, I'd rather have the less lag and better stability myself.
killerhog  +   663d ago
Hey you wanna play phantasy star universe? Oh... The servers were shut down. Guess ill play resistance: fall of man (a game that came out 6 years ago).

Also, last time I checked, Ms didn't have many genres the ps3 does. Compete with LBP? Nope. Compete with god of war? Nope. Compete with mod nation racers? Nope. So you must have a very small diverse taste in games. Or do you mean you have a widely varied taste in shooters? Cause that's was sells the most and releases the most on the 360.

Also, a lot of the old classic games from the past, can also be bought on the ps3. Yeah Xbox has some exclusive oldies, but so does the ps3.

So to end this, I'm not saying the 360/XBL is a bad service, but just putting it out there.
JimmyDanger  +   663d ago
@killerhog

I've got kart racers and platformers. Those genres aren't exclusive to Sony man.

I believe Sony has more first party shooters than MS anyway this gen.
NeverEnding1989  +   663d ago
I think PS+ is a great service and is forcing Microsoft to step their game up next gen.

That being said, online gaming isn't the same without party chat. I went almost a year without a PS3 (it broke, wasn't paying $150 to fix it). It was only after I returned to PSN that I realized how critical Live is to any multiplayer .

Let me give this example. I don't have facebook, I use Live as a social networking tool. I was playing through Fallout: NV a few months back for the 2nd time and spent nearly 2hrs one night playing and catching up with a friend from high school who now lives 9 hours away. I had laready played through the game and didn't need to pay attention to listen to every conversation. I could NEVER picture myself doing this over PSN, where it seems like SONY forces you to stay away from multiplayer.

PS+ is better in terms of value, but Xbox Live is far and away the better service.
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ATi_Elite  +   663d ago
Is Xbox Live Dead?
Blah hah ha hha hah ha ha funniest thing I heard all year!!!!

Xbox Live is FREE MONEY for Microsoft! It will NEVER DIE!!!

.......and guess what? Next Gen You Sony Lovers will have to pay a Fee too just to play online!

Sony is losing money from it's other business ventures and watching MS make all that FREE Money from Xbox Live has got to have Sony Execs scratching their heads!

Even with the Fee Xbox Gamers were online more than PS3 owners! Xbox Live = FREE Money for MS!
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Ultr  +   663d ago
If you think Sony's going to charge next gen you must be out of your mind.
The vita is out, it has crossgamechat, guess how much you have to pay... Zero.
MasterCornholio  +   663d ago
And for one subscription we have access to plus on 2 platforms.

The other day I downloaded Chronosphere and Uncharted on my Vita. Plus ever since I got plus I have a collection of over 10 PS3 games for free.

Xbox live might be better in some aspects but plus provides a lot more value with the extra content. Like Kaz said PlayStation plus was created with the gamers in mind.

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killerhog  +   663d ago
Yeah, I wouldn't say there's more people playing online on the 360, as majority only play shooters on the 360. You have to include games of other genres that sell more and have a bigger community on the ps3. Examples would be grand turismo (racing), tekken (fighting), mmo's (ms xbox 360 doesn't have any), create play and share (Ms doesn't have any), you get the point?

Sony is also making free money of off Ps Home, but you blind individuals declare that "dead" then add in Ps+ etc..
shempo  +   663d ago
die or not fact is ps+ is way better than live for the last 2years get over it
TAURUS-555  +   663d ago
PSN is by fay the best service and its free ¡¡¡ RIP xbox live.
darkride66  +   663d ago
Ridiculous title. Of course XBL isn't "dead". If anything, it's thriving and guess what? It can do that even if a competitor also offers a similar service. Imagine that. Two products co-existing without one killing off the other. Who knew?
ShadyDevil  +   664d ago
Although I do agree slightly, because PSN+ is a better service, it is a service though. You essentially REQUIRE XBOX LIVE to properly run your 360. However it does give back with their recently booming REWARDS program. Granted it doesnt give full $60, $40, $20 stuff for free like PSN+ does...or massive discounts but it still gives slight amounts back.

Although PSN+ is a superior service than XBL (Gold) I wouldnt say XBL is dead since the fanbase is still astronomical.
GillHarrison  +   664d ago
I love PSN+, but I still perfer Xbox Live only because of the party system.
WetN00dle69  +   663d ago
And the a stable connection AND No Maintenance!
Just those two features alone make it XBL>SEN.
DragonKnight  +   663d ago
"And the a stable connection AND No Maintenance!
Just those two features alone make it XBL>SEN."

What? You can't be serious. I think you forgot the /s when you said "stable connection" and "no maintenance."

Yeah, that must be it.
NYC_Gamer  +   664d ago
How is it dead?millions of gamers are paid members.
Starfox811  +   664d ago
Read the article...
ShadyDevil  +   664d ago
It was a metaphorical title..read the article. It compares Xbox Live and Xbox Live Gold to PSN+ what they offer and such. PSN+ is a better service in the end as it straight up gives free games. for $60, you get your moneys worth ($60 a year) in the first month. Not to mention discounts, betas, first dibs on demos and certain releases and Day 1 Digital. Oh and cloud save storage (which is also offered on Xbox Live Gold)
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NYC_Gamer  +   664d ago
100% agree,PSN+ is the better service value wise because of all the discounts and games they pass out to members...
Ben_Grimm  +   664d ago
PSN+ has Live beat when it comes to offering games. But everything else you mentioned like demos (which is standard), discounts and digital DL's are offered the same on Live.
SonyStyled  +   664d ago
i think PS+ is $50 a year, $17.99 for 3 months
FunAndGun  +   664d ago
It is Playstation Plus

PS+

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There is no Playstation Network Plus

There is no PSN+
Summons75  +   664d ago
Psn+ dose not give free games. Stop paying for the subscription and see how "free" they truly are.

Not saying either is better I refuse to pay for both but ps+ is a bunch of false advertisement.
Supreme Entity  +   664d ago
"Psn+ dose not give free games. Stop paying for the subscription and see how "free" they truly are.

Not saying either is better I refuse to pay for both but ps+ is a bunch of false advertisement."

Yeah, stop paying for the Xbox Live Subscription and see how fast your multiplayer gets taken away for the game you rightfully PAID for. I've been with Xbox for 7 years, but I woke the **** up and got tired of paying for access to my multiplayer games that I paid full price for.

You don't understand that there are a lot of naive people out there, not just hardcore gamers that don't know any better, and purchase the Xbox thinking they get Netflix, Hulu, HBO Go, etc once they unpack the system and set it up. Then they get pissed off when they see they have to pay another fee to access all of that when they're already have a subscription to each service.
CraigandDayDay  +   664d ago
@Supreme Entity
But that's just like how when you stop paying for Netflix, you don't get to keep watching videos on it.

LOL

Or maybe stop paying for your cable or satellite. I bet you can't watch your tv shows anymore. I bet ya. haha
SixZeroFour  +   664d ago
@supremeentity not fully disagreeing with you but multiplayer isnt taken away from you if you stop paying for gold subscription, ONLINE multiplayer is, you are still technically still able to play splitscreen and via lan party (i think, havent done that since halo 2)
Roccetarius  +   663d ago
You mean games that you don't get to keep if you unsub? Same thing happens on Live, you lose the features.

Gotta love these ''service wars''.
TheBatman_Fanatic  +   663d ago
Nothing is free.
NastyLeftHook0  +   664d ago
how to make a article on n4g? just ask a question and make the title controversial and or/stupid.

what is going to be the goty?
is far cry really good?
is ps3 dead?
is psn dead? is this or that dead?
why this sucks
why so and so in the gaming industry is stupid.
ect
ect

but then again you get your reviews all in one convenient place here on n4g amongst all of (imo) the bs around here.
Starfox811  +   664d ago
The title did its job of hooking you in though. Give the article a read before you judge. Well made points.
NastyLeftHook0  +   664d ago
it may have hooked me but it did not catch me.

-1 for this site.
linkratos  +   663d ago
It probably only hooked in people who dislike Xbox. If the title was used for something Sony related in a similar way people would be losing their shit. I have seen this happen many times.
aviator189  +   664d ago
I understand the article and gave it a good read and there are some valid points, but another title should have been used, imo.

Maybe something like: "psn+ extends reach and appeal over former crowned opponent live." - something like that but shorter..
mcstorm  +   664d ago
I agree too. But xbox live is far from dead as it offers things psn dose not offer and the xbox was made around live not the other way round like psn.

Also i find live a better online experience than psn. Yes paying £40 a year for free rent of games is a good idea but for me this dont work as i buy games i want on day one.

We are all different and have different needs. For me live fits my needs better than psn so thats the one i pay for.

I do expect ms to change live alittle when the next xbox comes along but i also expect sony to change psn next gen to.
SonyStyled  +   664d ago
PS+ offers launch day free releases. ratchet and clank all 4 one for example...
stone_cold  +   664d ago
yes xbox live dead
soljah  +   664d ago
i just hope Sony takes PS+ to the next level. start adding video rentals and purchases and incorporate music unlimited into plus. also those features should be available to plus members on their cell phones,tablets and PC's.Sony is a huge entertainment company owning huge catalogs of music,movies and tv shows. make it happen.
ShadyDevil  +   664d ago
They now have a limited time discount for Music Unlimited it is only $12 I think for an entire year..thats 88% off. HOLY SHAT...One reason why Im getting a PS+ card this weekend.

But if they bundled it INTO THE SERVICE they would raise the price of PS+ which would instantly make them look bad, instead offering discounts on linked services, is a better option I mean thats $1 per month of Music Unlimited! SERIOUSLY
cjflora  +   664d ago
If they integrated Music Unlimited with devices like you say I would totally use it. I'm paying for Spotify right now because I can use it on my phone. I had Music Unlimited for a few months, but Spotify has better acceptability for me.
kremit-21  +   663d ago
They Have
KMCROC  +   664d ago
Have been a live consumer & fan for 5 years now.
Have never had an issue paying for live or ever questioned myself for doing so.will never do either & will continue to enjoy my choice. ( now to prepare for the disagrees for the use of Free Will)
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QuantumWake  +   664d ago
Hey man, no one is stopping you. If you enjoy paying for XBL, game on my friend. Just know when the day comes when you no longer want to pay for XBL, PS3 is waiting for you. If you have both, you're set.
born2live  +   664d ago
I do have both, and I like the xbox live experience a lot more than the psn - much easier to get in touch with people, party options, etc. Also, no one ever seems to mention Crackle, which is free (yeah, most of those movies are outdated, but there are a few pearls in there).

Note that I am also a ps+ member and I enjoy this service a lot, but there are some issues with it too (games in NA are usually not as good as in EU, I own most of the games that are offered, the games are just rented, not bought, the author says that we are getting 63 full games a year when in fact, they are not always full games or even ps3 games (like starhawk, which only had the campaign but no mp, some are psone and arcade games), etc.) And downloading games takes FOREVER! and when you think you can finally play the game after waiting for 4 hours, you realize that you have to wait another 2 hours to install the game!

I feel it's unfair to compare both because you are not paying for the same thing - great (and convivial) social networking capabilities vs game rental.

I'm no fanboy, but my habits speak for themselves - I will usually buy my multiplatform games on xbox and only use my ps3 for first party games. Of course, my decision is mostly motivated by the facts that most of my friends own a 360, not a ps3...

And yes, that title is totally misleading.
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CandyCaptain  +   664d ago
Funny that you mention Crackle, that's a Sony service. lol They actually recently released a full blown app for that on ps3, so you no longer have to use the web browser launcher.

Yeah, when I saw crackle get an app for the 360 before the ps3 I was mystified, as that is a Sony thing. lol
BitbyDeath  +   664d ago
@born2live, you aren't paying for party chat cause Vita has that free too.
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Oschino1907  +   664d ago
@born2live, Crackle is free for everyone, I have it on my TV, so basically you are able to access a FREE service by PAYING for Xbox Live.

Either way I like how you nitpick PS+ for issues that are clearly non issues outside of a minorities personal preference/experiance while only showing praise towards Xbox Live. But no, you're not showing even the slightest signs of fanboyism.
Starfox811  +   664d ago
I've got both, pay for both, don't mind it either. I wouldn't stop paying for Live as I want to play my 360 games online with my friends. It's just what was once an attractive proposition and market has become terribly outdated in comparison to the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a huge reinvention of the service next-generation.
garos82  +   663d ago
That's fine.your free to get ripped off as much as you like, but don't come here telling me x box live is an infinitely better service for gaming.
KMCROC  +   663d ago
You want to tell me where in my comment you read me telling you that Xbox live is infinitely a better service. just so you can clearly read my comment i have copy & paste it below.

Have been a live consumer & fan for 5 years now.
Have never had an issue paying for live or ever questioned myself for doing so.will never do either & will continue to enjoy my choice. ( now to prepare for the disagrees for the use of Free Will)

Also why is that people who refuse or don't want something ,think that other people who are willing to pay for it assume those people are clueless to what their doing or dare question their actions.
Lvl_up_gamer  +   663d ago
Well I have both XBL (been a member for 10 years now) and PSN.

I will tell you that IMO i am NOT getting ripped off as I am paying for a service that I feel is worth my money (since I have enough money to pay for XBL)that has features NOT found on other consoles.

Who are you to tell me how much features are worth to me?

I also pay for quality HD channels from my cable company. Am I being ripped off because I pay extra for channels that are available in SD?

I am getting something of higher quality from MS then what Sony or Nintendo is offering me on an online standpoint. Simple as that. Because it's of higher quality, then I am willing to pay a certain fee to obtain the rights to use it.

At under $5 a month, I can tell you I am not being ripped off. If you think getting certain online features that are not found on other consoles at a price under $5 a month is getting "ripped off", then you either:

- have LITTLE money
- Never had an XBL gold account

People buy a single $5 coffee from Starbucks
People pay $3 service charges from withdrawing cash from a bank machine each time they do it
People pay $10 on a taxi just to go 3 blocks to work instead of paying $3 for the bus....

$5 a month for the most robust online gaming service on any home console which has MORE features then any other home consoles online service available is NOTHING. It's not even worth arguing about and certainly NOT a "rip off".

So in MY opinion, XBL is certainly MUCH better then PSN.
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Zodiac  +   664d ago
Microsoft put out a report saying that gamers have ut in 2 billion hours into Live since 2002. That is over 200,000 years years worth of time.

Even if PS+ offers some great things, and it does, Xbox Live has over 200,000 years worth of time spent on it.
JayD-1K  +   664d ago
XBLG will always have a great number of people using the service because, that's the only way you can play with your friends!

No XBLG no multi player!
Knight_Crawler  +   663d ago
But these people know that Sony is offering online for free...why don they just a buy a PS3?

Is the PSN that bad that people would rather pay MS than to use Sony free servies.
JayD-1K  +   662d ago
No, it's not bad at all! MS and its fans have gone to great lengths to persuade people that it is!
The one big thing that I see is this, the 360 came out first soooooooo, a lot of people bought it.

Hell, even I have one even though I rarely use it.

But, if most if not all of your friends bought a 360 and are on XBLG, then you're most likely going to gravitate towards that system. I use to think that it was the best online service for consoles until, Sony improved PSN and PS+!!

Now, I refuse to pay just to play MP with my friends when I can do it for free on my PC, PS3, and PSV!
Pillsbury1  +   664d ago
I won't ever let m$ rape me of cash again. I won't pay for something that is the same and free everywhere else (ps3, pc and wii u)

Ps everyone that wants to bring up game chat as the sole reason for paying to play online can stfu
only reason ps3 doesn't have it is system ram limitation.
ItsTrue  +   664d ago
"Stop with your fanboy hate, the game division is making money."
Pillsbury1  +   664d ago
M$ is the exception ;)
ItsTrue  +   664d ago
Why is M$ an exception and not $ony?
Pillsbury1  +   664d ago
I had an Xbox and I was fed up of being robbed of money for something I was FORCED to pay if I wanted to enjoy the other half of my game.
ItsTrue  +   664d ago
You make it seem like your house was taken away from you. If you don't like it, don't subscribe to it. No need to make an entire drama out of it.
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Dogswithguns  +   664d ago
I'm getting a Wii U next year, so yes.. and still have a PS3, so yeah.
SonyStyled  +   664d ago
it wont be dead for as long as people keep paying for playing
Jek_Porkins  +   664d ago
Xbox Live isn't going anywhere anytime soon, it's more popular now than ever. There are obviously other options aside from Xbox Live Gold Membership, if the cost is that big of an issue, just go with PC or PS3.

Personally I have always liked Xbox Live because of its ease of use and infrastructure. PSN+ offers games on loan, which is great, but the + didn't really change anything else on PSN, its the same setup now as when it launched, and I understand they cant offer Party Chart due to memory limitations, but what about sending voice messages or single 1on1 chat?

I think for me personally its about ease of use, the layout is really nice to look at, friends are easy to find, it's really set up like a social network and that is what I think a lot of gamers want.

To each their own, but comparing PSN+ to XBL is apples to oranges.
oakshin  +   664d ago
u can skype on psn and have for years ps3 launched with bluetooth u can chat all u want just no party chat y playing different games do ur homework ps+ offers alot more then free games
Jek_Porkins  +   664d ago
Look don't get all upset over my own personal opinion. The interface hasn't changed since the PS3 launched and its the same one as the PSP had in 2005. I'm not sure if memory issues prevent them from updating their dash? but the one they have isn't user friendly, at least for me its not.

I'm not "dissing" your mother, just stating my opinion on the subject. I owned a PS3 for a long time, and there is a lot of games on the console that I really enjoy, but the online portion wasn't something I looked forward to or enjoyed, as far as single player games and exclusives they are great though.
X-Factor  +   664d ago
I could not agree with you more.

Xbox Live is becoming for me more than just a way to play games.

I watched UFC 154 GSP vs Condit on Xbox Live and it worked perfectly, in HD and for $38 instead of the $60 I normally pay for UFC fights.

With their deals with Fox, The UFC, and Hulu, Xbox Live is stronger than ever. The story is almost laughable.
X-Factor  +   664d ago
Jek, I'm pretty sure you did diss his mother... Totally uncool.
Oschino1907  +   664d ago
PS interface has changed albeit only slightly but mostly in a single update in 2008-2009, either way its a moot point because almost all Sony devices (tv/blu ray, etc.) use the same basic type of interface. Why would they change it just for the Playstation? Honestly I prefer it over the Xboxes, any of the ones they had.

Also for a long time PS owner you don't seem to know much about it. Your lack of knowledge regarding the system and PS+ makes me wonder why you even bothered commenting...
Pillsbury1  +   664d ago
I understand it's "your own personal opinion" but did you forget ps plus offers automatic updates and cloud storage? And with your games on loan comment they also offer discounts and game dlc that you keep. You obviously don't know on what you comment about.
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Jek_Porkins  +   664d ago
You do realize Xbox Live Gold Members get discounts on content and Cloud Storage as well?
Xbox Live Gold members get a lot of early content, DLC, Demos and beta's that others don't get or get at a later date. You can choose to download items while your console is off as well, I'm not sure its me that hasn't done homework on the subject.

I didn't say PSN was terrible, I said it wasn't user friendly and I prefer Xbox Live. Nothing more, nothing less.
Proeliator  +   664d ago
No, it isn't. Didn't even click.
Neo-Axl  +   664d ago
@ caseh
MGO has been gone for a while now, how is it possible to check if people are still playing?
oakshin  +   664d ago
crackle has been on ps3 longer then xbox 4 hours to download a game?yeah right
born2live  +   664d ago
Funny, I wasn't even aware that crackle was also available on ps3 - it automatically appears on the 360 dashboard while you have to download it from the app store on the ps3, so mea culpa (although it goes to show that the 360 dashboard is more convivial). But the 4 hrs thing is still true - it took me forever to download full games like Ratchet and Clank and infamous 2 (14 gb!)
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garos82  +   663d ago
Here is a crazy thought.maybe you have slow internet? Just maybe though
oakshin  +   664d ago
wow if u dont know what ur talking about act like u do @Jek_Porkins and born2live

@born2live ur just being a troll dont act like ur not based on ur post i fin it hard to believe u have a ps3 at all
born2live  +   664d ago
And based on your posts you're a ps3 fanboy. Grow up.
xJumpManx  +   664d ago
Stupid article, Live is a great service it still is the best option if you are willing to pay for it. The only reason to do PS plus is for the free games you get while subscribing but if I wanted those games by the time they came out on PS plus I would have already bought them.
stage88  +   663d ago
There's a lot more to Plus than just free games.
Belking  +   664d ago
Live is hardly dead. Its better than ever now with Halo 4 and CODBO2
Hicken  +   663d ago
How do games you have to BUY(one of them multiplat) make the SERVICE known as Live better? They're not integrated features or upgrades.

People, if you wanna pay for Live, go right ahead. There's nobody who can force you not to(unless it's actually your parents who are paying for it and they decide not to).

But I seriously find it hard to believe that all these people wouldn't rather have SOME part of Live be free, or rather not have to pay at all. I think PS+ is worth it, but if I didn't have to spend a penny to get it, I'd much rather do that.

What I hear from Live supporters, though, is that they're HAPPY to pay. Doesn't matter to them that they could and SHOULD be getting at least something like gaming online for free. Doesn't matter that, despite paying, they're subjected to ads(where they are or how big they are is irrelevant; the simple fact that you PAY and they're still there is an insult- and no, the newspaper/magazine analogy doesn't work).

It's almost as if they say they want to pay out of spite.

Well, go ahead and waste your money, if that's the case.

I just wish the less ignorant among Live subscribers would at LEAST see that, yes, there ARE things you shouldn't be paying for.

Not that I expect that acknowledgement out of too many around here...
xJumpManx  +   663d ago
Blackops 2 might as well be 360 only since it is a far better version frame rate and graphically on the 360. I wish PSN payers would realize that certain features on xbox live are worth paying for cross chat for instance.
DigitalRaptor  +   663d ago
" I wish PSN payers would realize that certain features on xbox live are worth paying for cross chat for instance."

The problem is not that we don't think that cross-game chat is worth $60 per year. It's the fact that you are forced by Microsoft to pay it each year and have been for years. The main reason people pay for XBL is not because of XGC but because they want to connect and play online on their console of choice, and the only way they can do that is to pay Microsoft.

That is the problem, and THAT is not worth the entry fee alone, nor is it a valid charge for a consumer. Steam is free, PSN is free, and PS Vita gives you cross-game chat for free and so will PS4. There's little to no doubt there. Every other company is flexible and reasonable with their pricing models. Steam is much, MUCH more flexible and an all round better service than XBL and Valve give it you for free, and throw in incredible sales several times a year, every year.

You can try and justify it all you want, but the fact is, Microsoft are unreasonable and give you absolutely no choice. Never have done, probably never will and it's saddening that a multi-billion dollar company cannot be reasonable with its customers especially when it's as simple as opening up am avenue of choice. Xbox Live is a gold mine (excuse the pun), and Microsoft will not sacrifice that, at least not whilst their customers are so willing to pay for things other services give you for free.

When PS4 comes out and (because it will have the RAM to perform these background tasks as well as game), you will see how ridiculous it is for MS to charge even for basic connection to half the games you own. Remember, I have no problem with Microsoft giving you the option to pay for these "certain features" (nor do I have a problem with Sony adding similar features to PS+), but charging a premium price for basic connectivity to your games is inherently wrong, and one of the main reasons I don't subscribe to Microsoft.
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dubt72  +   664d ago
Here we go again... Shockingly the sony fanboys prefer ps- or whatever it's called, but Xboxers prefer XBL for its party system. Partying with my friends regardless of game is more important to me than free game rentals, and I have plenty of cashe for the games I need, so no XBL is still king. Long may it reign.
stage88  +   663d ago
Another ill-informed commenter. PS+ does a lot more than just free games. Look it up.
SOULJER  +   664d ago
I've have been distress about my Live service for some time now. I feel after Halo 4 what do i have forward to look too. I remember X-BOX in the first two years were incredible. I felt like microsoft was devoted to the gamers. Now there indifferent to us. They made more than 1 billion dollars on live, and can't throw us any crumbs. I have all consoles, and a balling PC rig. After December I will have just two. I plan to give all my mint games to my nephew, and trade in my elite to game stop. I hope they reclaim that passion for gamers with the 720.
ziggurcat  +   664d ago
*blink* *blink*

an xbox doom article?!?
MYSTERIO360  +   664d ago
there is only two ways xbox live will die:
1. Xbox gamers completely abandoning the next Xbox altogether. Seen as Live is such an essential part of the Xbox experience gamers will need to forget about the next Xbox totally.

2. If the PS4 online service is vastly superior to live next gen gamers will likely choose the PS4 over Xbox 720 killing Xbox live.
Belking  +   664d ago
"If the PS4 online service is vastly superior to live next gen gamers will likely choose the PS4 over Xbox 720 killing Xbox live."

That's a big if. I don't see it happening because Live is such a huge part of the whole xbox experience. Sony will probably never be able to out do MS on that part because both services are software based and we all know MS does software very well. They invest more in that sort of thing. No doubt the next gen PSN will be an improvement but I don't see MS giving away any ground to Sony or Nintendo in that arena. They lead the way with xbox live and I don't see it changing any time soon.
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MYSTERIO360  +   663d ago
While your assumption may be true, it does bear remembering that Online functionality was not a important component for Sony at the beginning of this gen(as online functionality was unpopular in japan). Over time Sony have begun to realize the important of online functionality to gaming and have begun to steadily improve their service as much as they can.

Also if you look back at the past 5 years MS online offering remains relatively unchanged(except for a new internet browser). It seems MS are comfortable with their online offerings/structure to not want to change leading to next gen(especially since its Live service is worth a 1 billion). MS's online service fee seems to be working with consumers and with demand comes supply with MS not needing to change anything.

Sony know that their online service was one of the key factors for their dismal sales at launch. This makes it likely they will try everything in order to put their service on par with MS. Significant steps Sony have taken to show this have been in the Vita service(i.e. cross game chat and sleeker presentation)and in them acquiring Gaikai. And with the likelihood of these features being free and MS service being paid there is a slight possibility that PS4 online service could be better then Live next gen.
X-Factor  +   664d ago
This is an interesting story and proposition.

I think, however, that what is not being sufficiently considered is the inroads that Xbox Live has made into other media.

For Example, I watched UFC 154 on Xbox Live instead of my Dish Network PPV, for the first time and had no problem, and intend to watch every UFC PPC event on Xbox Live after this "test".

Xbox Live has Deals with the UFC, Fox and Hulu just to name a few.

With all due respect to Sony, Xbox Live is leaps and bounds ahead of PSN.
ShadyDevil  +   664d ago
I never really looked into the UFC stuff? Is that COMPLETELY free to Gold subscribers or do they have to have prior UFC subscription or something
Max-Zorin  +   664d ago
Of course it's not dead. What needs to be dead is this animosity PS3 and 360 owners have toward each other.
josephayal  +   664d ago
OMG the Horror!
Dynasty  +   664d ago
While I agree that PS+ is a better value than Xbox Live, I don't see a reason to switch. All my friends are on Xbox so jumping to PSN just to save a few bucks and download a few free items, it's pointless.
OneAboveAll  +   664d ago
waaaah waaaah waaaah.

No one plays Online for free. Whether you are a PC gamer or PS3 gamer. You might think it is but in reality you still have to pay for that internet connection to get online.

I pay $50 a year for Live so that my service isn't down for MONTHS.
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Oschino1907  +   664d ago
So you have never heard of FREE Wi Fi and you assume EVERYONE pays for their own personal internet?
Kiddcarter  +   663d ago
That's dumb, yes everyone has to pay for their internet, but not everyone then turns around and pays for it again just so they can party chat or watch netflix, and the "psn being down for MONTHS thing is old" while people having their live accounts jacked isn't
hazardman  +   664d ago
(E.Honda laugh) Hahaha..hahaha, Xbox Live is NOT DEAD!! I think its the best online service on any console and will continue to be next gen as well. If your thing is online gaming Xbox Live is IT!! PSN is way to quiet for me man. Unless Im in a party with friends or fam, it just effing dead man, sometimes Im playing and its like I'm playing by myself. Anyway XBL is just sick cause everyone always talking, sometimes I'm not gonna lie you get the occasional lil effers trying to mess up a lobby, but besides that I feel theres more socializing on XBL. Also I don't mind paying ($60 yr)$5 a month man and like $30(limited time, right before your account expires) when you reup for another yr..Gaming has always been an expensive hobby. Plus PSN is free, but I've paid for PSN+ for the free games and beta keys to certain games. There is features lacking from PSN+ that I have on XBL and Im not complaining, Either way I enjoy both services for what they offer, but IMO XBL can't be touched!!!

PSN- Hazardman79
XBL- Lexhazardman379
knocknock  +   663d ago
Agreed, I have both services and xbox may want to bring in more content to live next gen but the only reason Sony has all that on plus is they are playing catch up. To many fan boyz play lip survive to there brand...sad really. Xbox user need to see that box having adds and subscription isn't cool IMO, and Sony users need to see they are getting nothing special it's just catch up time really. Nether survive is expensive what what you get out of it.
GamerzElite  +   663d ago
I am not a big fan of PS+ but when Black Ops 2 came out I jumped to MP on My Xbox. I am very disappointed that Same shit happen on Xbox like PS3, Connection Interrupted, Lost Connection from Host, Call of duty:Black Ops II server is not available, Lobby closed in match... I wasn't pay my money to MS for this crap online.. What difference between PSN and XBL?
hazardman  +   663d ago
Yeah but where are you going with this, I never mentioned anything about connection problems but more the social aspect of both services. I really havent had any lag or connection problems with any of services when playing black ops 2.
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