This past week was the celebration for Xbox Live’s 10 year anniversary. While this is the PlayStation University, congratulations are in store for the service that brought online gaming to the forefront of the console experience first off. Before Xbox Live’s inception on the original Xbox, online interactions were mostly limited to the PC community. PlayStation Network is still much younger than its Microsoft counterpart, but Xbox Live could learn a thing or two from how Sony has been running its online portal.
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Thats all it is really. In the end, people will continue to enjoy both.
What is it with you and kissing butts?
I am aware of the constant stream of free games but honestly I'd rather have a free online service. It is robust enough to stand against XBL.
Cuz he is a stealth troll and he has a mod as a friend so if u speak against him, the mod will bubble him up and bubble u down.
In other words...he is a loser who thinks he's important because his mod friend wont let him get debubbled.
On Topic:
PS+ is amazing.
That's what the title should be. Instead, Playstation University inappropriately uses the term "fail", a popular term for today's fanboy.
Microsoft, with the help of Xbox Live, is making billions of dollars whereas SONY and PSN are either losing money or struggling to make ends meet.
Great article, PSU
I care about what I get out of it. Live is giving me... oh, they're giving me nothing. Hmm...
Plus, on the other hand... well, I don't need to go over that again. By now, you're well aware of what Plus offers for the same price as Live. You know there's no real comparison as far as value is concerned.
"struggling to make ends meet."
You got a source for that? Or are you just another of those people talking out of their asses?
Yeah, I thought so.
Edit: @homer
I haven't stuck my head in the sand. That's stupid. Of course I want Sony to do well. But them making money doesn't mean anything to me if they're not providing the games and services I want.
Sony is in a tough spot, but they're not "failing." They're laying people off as part of a restructure, something people that keep harping on their condition seem to forget.
I'm in gaming, though, for the GAMES. As long as Sony's making the games, they'll be getting my money.(In any case, it's not as if it's the Playstation division that's killing them; it's elsewhere. With that in mind, why does it seem like people take every opportunity to make it seem the opposite is true? That's odd, isn't it?)
If my desire for good gaming and gaming features considered "fantasy land," then I think there aren't enough gamers who are with me.
I wish I could stick my head in the sand and ignore Sony's financial woes much like you have. Sony corp is failing. They are laying off employess left and right and their stocks are still falling. Their credit rating is one above crap. I wish I could live in your fantasy land.
How do you get any disagrees for what you said? N4G, that's how. What you said is right. Xbox Live and MS are laughing all the way to the bank. That's why Sony came out with PSN+ They want to make some of that cash from a monthly subscription.
That's the ONLY reason they made that. SDF crack me up on here. Probably because it's mostly like 15-17 year olds.
And great article.... 7 years later, and now xbox live is starting to fail to the playstation site.
Cool Story Brah.
EDIT.. LMAO at the faithful claiming that Live has ever been hacked. :D Ha ha ha ha ha ha... People getting their accounts phished is far FAR from a service getting hacked like PSN was. Brought down to it's knees and crippled.
B-b-b-but xJohnny134X had his account phished that affected nobody but himself... THAT MEANS XBOX LIVE WAS HACKED!!!
Oh brother.
Yes...Xbox Live is amazing and a better service than all others. Keep telling yourselves this...
And Midnight right above me ^^^ dont know if you read what you post...but your school system has definitely failed you ... as well as your parenting and anything else that was a factor in developing that pea brain you have.
When asked to list features that makes live online vastly superior to the pen online, a person on this site wrote:
Custom Music
Smart Glass
Party Chat
Skyrim Dlc
Better graphics in multi plats.
Oh brother! One person also stopped using psn entirely because it got hacked once by people who justed wanted to prove something with the hacking rather than steal. Again, oh brother!
I will say it again: when it comes to strictly gaming online, live is in no way superior to pen and that is the truth. That is no fanboy BS. For instance, say Halo 4 came out on both consoles. Would I buy it for the Xbox? No. Because I know that all I have to do is pop it in the PS3 and play. I actually wanted to play Halo 4 online, so I opted to get live for three months. It would have set me back $24. Its not a lot of money, I know. But I just payed $60 for Halo 4 which only lasted me 6 hours on heroic.
Sony's financial issues are completely relevant when discussing who is failing.
And Halo 4 would be horrible on PS3. Why? The same reasons why Live is better than PSN. Party chat allows you to speak with your friends (no 14yr old kids chatting away like on Killzone 3) and every Xbox owner has a microphone. You wouldn't talk to people on Halo 4 and people couldn't talk to you. You wouldn't enjoy multiplayer because of it. Personally, I've put about 30 hours in the Halo 4 campaign, but I plan on spending 95% of my total Halo 4 on multiplayer. Starting to get the picture?
Let's hope SONY leans from past mistakes this gen and gives Live a run for its money next gen which will force M$ to up their game. All gamers benefit.
PSN = hacked
Live = hack free
Live= Fee
PSN= Fee-Free
All 3 console's networks have been hacked in this generation.
PS Vita = party chat. As for the patches, can't confirm that, but I haven't heard much about that on Vita.
So yeah.. a handheld is offering that. PS4 is around the corner, and by then, purposefully ignorant fanboys like yourself will have to be the ones doing the waking up - or not, and keep paying for a service that is offering you stuff that other services do for free and with similar efforts.
The reason PS3's network doesn't have certain features of XBL is because of RAM and OS footprint limitations, it's not because Sony are inadequate, and the Vita proves it. Do you think Sony are just being lazy or not listening to the HUGE percentage of people who want some of these features?
I honestly hope people like you are ready to take in what you will see when PS4 hits as far as PSN goes, because I think some of you are just hell bent on dragging down Sony because of PS3's system RAM limitations.
And you'd have to be the one to prove to me that you're the closed off fanboy by telling me Xbox Live is hack free? Yep, again, ignoring the evidence and pretending like Xbox's security is so much finer, when if Anonymous wanted to, they could EASILY hack Live. If they've been there, done that with Government(!), I don't think big old Microsoft could stop them. I don't even have to ask you if you think they couldn't, because I know you do already.
Anyway, Xbox Live is bloody great as an overall service, but my main gripe with Microsoft is that they charge you for the basic right to access online games. They hold for ransom your right to access a VERY simple feature such as connecting to other players to play games, something which has been a free standard for god knows how long.
Forget all the other features, they might be worth it for a lot of people, but charging for basic access is unacceptable in my opinion. Charge for the ADVANCED features, and leave the basics for free. In fact you people need to do what PC gamers did and say "NO!" because otherwise they'll keep charging for things they don't need to and disrespect you as consumers i.e. Netflix subscription within subscription.
Besides, when you can see a service like Steam does everything XBL does and for free with MORE flexibility and MORE value, and the fact that PS+ exists, it's not hard to see who's getting short changed here.
Ha Ha! Lemme see for less than $4.99 a month we get the very best online experience hands down on Xbox Live.
MS/XBOX continues to proctect and improve our experience all the time and is currently miles ahead of anything sony has to offer. Sony video game division lost hundreds of millions if not over a billion since the ps3.
They have learned a lesson and have adopted the psn plus and soon that will be their norm otherwise they will keep falling farther and farther behind.
Nobody is going to go to psn from XBL. why would they want to go backwards to something less than.
I love my Xbox XBL and the weight of a butt hurt sony website wont change that.
PSN tries to copy and never leads. Thats reality.
Custom Music
Party Chat
Smart Glass
Better Graphics in Multy platforms
Skyrim DLC
Just a few things you should have on ps3 but do not. Like i said my PC is my Favorite now. I had now idea how great playing your own music in a FPS could be, till now. Sony sucks, my pc even does 3D better.
what? half of those things have nothing to do with live service but the console's hardware. xbox live offers ability to play online and cross chat, thats about it.
ps offers online play standard, some games have custome soundtracks, and a few games being marginally better on 360 doesnt change the fact they r multiplat titles who r largely the same. ps3 gets exclusive content too u kno, ala aciii. ps3 also has more exclusive games that blow most of what is available multiplat or on 360 out the water...period.
plus offers instant games collections, auto update features, 1st beta entries, free addon deals, discounts galore on popular games, cloud service.
Trust me, if Sony could charge for to PSN they would but the truth is Sony can NOT and had no option but to make it fre. Sony loss a large amount of fan base to MS and Nintendo becuase of the ridiculus price of $600 for a PS3, the fact that were acting all arogant with statements like Nexr Gen does not start until we say so and get two jobs to afford a PS3 did not help either.
Sony has put there self in a hard place becuse they marketed the PS3 as free online and if they start chargeing for the PS4 the fans will revolt, also PSN is playing catchup to XBL so if Sony starts chargeing for PSN they will have to offer something better than XBL.
$10Million, 10,000,000! Is what it cost M$ to make Forward Unto Dawn. We saw it for FREE! Those that purchased Halo 4 Collectors received another version as part of the package.
That is one of the added amenities among many you get from XBOX Live, a great film that follows the #1 exclusive on the console!
There are several comments on this thread that state many factual reasons for Live's Dominance. I need not reiterate such obvious facts, Live needs no patches for new games 99% of the damn time.
"You get what you pay for".
Are the falling behind with Xbox Live, or are they still making too much money from it?
My problem with Xbox Live is that they charge you to play online. I hate it, they suck for making everyone pay to use their own internet connection.
Does that mean the service is failing?
No.
Sadly.
(Note the source, Playstation University)
Yes I know that is totally lame but unfortunately such people exist.
But This title makes no sense? How has Live failed 10 years later what does that mean? If Live was "failing" 10 years now 5 years ago MS would of pulled the plug on it? If Live is "failing" then why has the service gotten better year after year?
If Live was "failing" why have they provided AAA Arcade games and releasing F2P games. If Live was "failing" why do they continue patch, update, improve, secure, moderate its service?
Now the biggest one. If Live is failing then why do people continue to pay for the subscriptions and new users boom every holiday?
Yeah who ever submitted this needs to take this down its fanboy feeder. Btw those reasons hold no wait and are subjective.
In terms of value for money, that is completely true. I can only see fanboys disagree in that statement.
Assuming your a rational/prudent human being, wouldn't u rather spend $0 on XBL than $50?
Other than that, yeah if you find value in paying for live it doesn't matter what someone else says. It's your money and your free to spend it the way you like.
Advertisements are not even a problem. I don't even spend time on the dashboard. It may seem odd to some, but I actually use my console to play games instead of staring at the dashboard and fuming about ads. Most of them aren't even ads, they're just showing stuff that is new to Xbox Live. I agree with trials v. demos though.
And, I'm sorry, I like PS+ but the argument that you get free games is completely invalid. First, you're paying for the service. Paying in no way equals free. Second, it's only yours if you keep subscribing. So it's a paid rental, not a free game you can keep.
How is it invalid... That's the main drawing point of PSN+ is the free games and discounts... If you make that invalid than what is there to compare it with Live? Yes you keep that game as long as you subscribe... but I will pay $50 a year to get up to 7-8 free games a year to play versus $50 a year just to access multiplayer and no free games. More often than not, i will finish each games in less then 2 months and get new ones to play.
I know you dont have more bubbles so im going use one to reply to you. You are right its not free, but Its a better offering and better incentives than xbox live. Dont get me wrong I have Live right now to play Halo 4, however the problem here is that im not into multiplayer gaming but I still have my netflix and Hulu account. Why do i need to have live to play single player and to access other media apps that I've already paid for? Why do i have to pay double to access Netflix? for me i have two console so i can use my PS3 for those but those who only have the xbox they are pretty much getting cheated.
As gamers we have games that we follow and have interests in and get excited for. How many Uncharted fans do you think will wait for Uncharted 4 to become a PS+ title. Its value is slight of hand. Gamer buying patterns arent impacted at all. So for sony they just made you pay a little something for something you would have regularly not bought.
As for XBL you may not like the heavy handed approach of locking its features to subscription but the truth is that makes it a killer app. I always said without LIVE you only have half of a 360. To their benefit XBL has created its own world its like the apps are designed specifically for XBL the features are fluent and everything is integrated solid. When you just look at it as something you use its very nice voice controls with kinect smart glass cross chat video kinect everything is just fluent. Its like when people compare PCs to Macs and they say you can probably make a more powerful PC cheaper but MACs just work, you ever have the same problems or issues.
That's probably the most sensible and unbiased comment I've read on here today - agree mate.
It's not about the OS updates, it's about automatic updates for everything, like games, patches, etc.
Then explain how to play online if Xbox is all you have for gaming needs; and the argument "not my fault people can only afford one console" doesn't work here.
"Shit everything the psn has done is biting off live. There just putting there own spin on it. Sony has to do what there doing to compete with live."
One can argue "Sony is proving you don't have to rip off customers to get the same experience free elsewhere." I had live twice (Once on Xbox and once on 360) and I saw no value in paying for something that I can get better elsewhere; whether its PS2/3 or pc even without the racism and trash talking kids.
Hacks? I've been on Xbox live 9-10 years and have never had my account hacked. Phished maybe but never hacked and the phishing didn't get me cut off live for anywhere near a week, let alone a month.
Look guys, especially ps3 whiners (please please fellow gamer, get on ps3!! Please!!, it's on par with Xbox live --NO IT'S NOT!! Stop saying that bullcrap!!) it's my money and I'm gonna do what I want with it, and if I don't want to give it to Sony, so phucking be it!! Quit your whinning and go play your damn game!! Geez!! It's like the dude above said, you don't really want to be in the ps network, you're actually wanting to be on Xbox live. Otherwise you'd happily be sucking your thumbs, masturbating while you wait on your game to finish installing on that lame azz system (psn) of yours. But noo...Xbox, Xbox, Xbox is all you's thinking of. Lol end rant
"Hacks? I've been on Xbox live 9-10 years and have never had my account hacked. Phished maybe but never hacked and the phishing didn't get me cut off live for anywhere near a week, let alone a month."
I've known people (myself included) who was hacked from Live; called customer service, and all we received was a "sorry," called a second time and someone who you can tell didn't speak fluent English answered and still acted like they couldn't do anything; and this was 3 weeks after purchasing Live; And If you want to take it further, it was an email I had back when I was in high school (1999). For the PSN hack, yes it was frustrating however I had plenty of offline games at the time I played, completed, and when PSN was back up again yes I did go back online; but what happened Xmas of 2007 on live again?
"It's like the dude above said, you don't really want to be in the ps network, you're actually wanting to be on Xbox live."
If I wanted to be on Xbox Live, I'd pay and be on Live, not PSN. When I was on Live if I wasn't judged for my nationality I was a target for mouthy teens and kids who cursed when their parents weren't around. I refuse to pay to be talked down upon when I can go outside and get that for free.
"it's my money and I'm gonna do what I want with it, and if I don't want to give it to Sony, so phucking be it!! Quit your whinning and go play your damn game!! Geez!!"
Exactly, it's "my" money and I chose to spend it on something I like and feel comfortable with - PS3.
"Otherwise you'd happily be sucking your thumbs, masturbating while you wait on your game to finish installing on that lame azz system (psn) of yours. But noo...Xbox, Xbox, Xbox is all you's thinking of."
Is that what you're doing right now instead of gaming on your 360? I'm waiting in line to purchase something and your the one going on about how you favor Live over PSN; from your rant it seems your trying to make up for something - especially with an account that was made less than 20 days ago. Your attitude is a big reason why I'm glad I left Live alone after Microsoft refused to help.
I do understand that some do not like the idea of M$ profiting from a service they think should be offered for "Free". But I don't understand what is meant by "failing" if the membership continues to grow along with the profits. PSN+ is here because XBL is so successful.
Don't get me wrong, I love it and think the service is great, but at the end of the day I know I'm being charged for features I never use. They need to go down to a plan-level of services to offer. If I want all the Live extra stuff, then I ought to pay for it...If I just want to download occasional games and demos + play online then it ought to be free. It's that simple.
I expect a hell of a lot more regarding next gen's Xbox Live successor...the value better be there or it needs to be free. It's costing gamers a bit more than it should. And a 2 day pass included in some games is a slap in the face when I've seen 2 week passes included as well.
Get with it MS!
Instead they focus on getting all this non gaming crap onto the console like twitter, facebook etc etc
When really most people have computers and or phones that do these jobs better you have to ask yourself why are you trying so hard to make a gaming machine something it is not MS?
TL;DR
They take my money and use it for useless crap while they could improve the gaming experience which is what the xbox is at its core.
Useless? Tell me what has no use.
It goes on and on when people already have multiple devices which can provide for all these things in a far superior formatt.
i love xbox live and I gladly pay my $60 every year
There is difference between spending money(PS PLUS) & wasting money (LIVE) My Opinion.
XBOX Live-Good service
Their fans-A bunch of misguided extremists
However I blame the authors more for these kind of stories than the people replying because they get some kick out of starting flame wars over the same garbage weekly.
Love Live all ya want. The fact is that if you're playing Live Gold account, you're paying to use your internet twice and you're a sucker.
microsoft sure is good at brainwashing
Playststion Plus is an amazing concept but lacks the online MP features I want to warrant a purchase. Free games and savings are great but most of them I have no interest in. I want better voice chat, faster messaging, faster updates/downloads, and appealing presentation and navigation.
I find I'm often annoyed communicating on PSN, everything is slow and/or the voices are low quality, just responding to a message and getting back to games requires around 6-7 steps with loading, on Live its 3 and instant. Also, too many games on PSN have voice chat problem requiring patches that arrive months later if ever.
IMO as an owner of both consoles and a previous Plus member and current Gold member.
It seems to me that this site has a lot of PS hardcore fans, and they always tout about getting free games like infamouse, LBP, or RDR from Ps+ for example. So I was wondering, why didn't they buy those games new on release? Wouldnt that be more profitable for Sony rather than waiting for Sony to put them on PS+ for "free"?
Now about functionality. If you use psn and live every day, wouldnt you want a service with better, convenient, efficient, more informative, integrated functionalities? the better functionality service would feel even better over time as you use it every day right?
what people do don't really reflect what they claimed on here now do they?
Not sure if 360s are smaller files but every system update/game update, demo down load, etc take significantly longer on PS3 (Movies rentals are faster, browser is better, etc on Live) That's not even my main issue with it, PSN is just slower and more cumbersome in every regard especially when communicating with friends online.
I think overall PSN a great free service, just that you do get superior sevice with Live...not $60 better though. To me Live is worth 30 bucks a year, in that I'd pay 30 bucks a year to have a regular PSN identical to Live. Live is just so much more polished, you can tell a lot of thought and money has gone into it.
Ps for all the people wondering why Sony doesn't add it is because it's a system ram limitation.
PS4 will offer even greater value with PSN+ come next gen along with improved everything interface navigation and overall speed we no that and thats know brainer.
MS learned allot this gen therefor can offer up something that possibly won't be seen on other consoles come next gen like they have this gen and before it. You can't sit there and expect MS next gen offerings to stay the same come...well...probably holiday 2013.
Really, it's just 100s of millions of dollars in revenues that they're not capitalizing on. The only reason they haven't charged this gen is because PSN at launch was frankly terrible, and PS3 struggled for the first 2 years. Charging later would have upset existing users too much.
But with a new gen everything kind of resets in terms of expectations.
$50 a year to talk to someone? M$ has you in the palm of their hand.
why can't people allow to do what they want with their money is beyondme. If they like it, so be it. It doesn't affect you in anyway.
only the fanboys dont agree
Is failing Xbox Live generating billions of dollars for MS...Is that failing?
While Sony is yet to turn a profit on the PSN?
Okay...then I guess it's failing.
Sony is jealous of MS, because they went with the popular free gaming service, but is paying the price w/ red ink.
While MS took a less popular approach and went with a subscription model, and are reaping the benefits with black ink...
Red ink= Kills a company
Black ink= Lets a company stay in business and grow.
Sometimes the best choice isn't the most popular, but for survival it is a must.
Sony has had a lot of finance problems lately... Maybe they could use a few more customers switch to their Playstation plus model? Oh wait that's a pay service right? That will eventually phase out the free service probably next gen...
/end rant.
For survival it is a must? 360 was outselling ps3. Thus more games purchased. Plus PC title sales. What survival do you speak of? Seems Microsoft is just continuing to pad their pockets at your expense.
Sony redeemed any accusations of overpricing their console this generation with free online play. That's lucky because Move was in danger of making Sony look like half hearted latecomers to motion gaming even though they have the Eyecamera which launched back on the PS2. A console with Uncharted on its books didn't have to try so hard to be just like a souped up version of the Wii.