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Sony PS4 dilemma with PS3 game discs doubt

With details slipping out frequently on Microsoft’s Xbox 720 console, there has been a complete opposite of details for the elusive Sony PS4. We all know it is coming, but Sony and industry sources have remained tight-lipped on what kind of specifications and features we can expect to see when it releases. PS4 backwards compatibility however, may not be one of them. (Next-Gen, Sony)

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Zodiac  +   1182d ago
Just keep your ps3. BC is nice for some, but i prefer to play games on their respected platform.

All ps2 gaming this gen was done on a ps2.

Ps1, N64 had to be digital because i'm not paying 500 dollars for zelda or whatever.

Played GC games on a GC this gen, Xbox games on an Xbox.

You get the idea.
Abash  +   1182d ago
I am honestly sick of hearing about PS4 rumors and the same rumors being picked apart. Wait for the console to be announced, geez
animegamingnerd  +   1182d ago
yeah same here to me the next xbox and playstation doesn't exist in my mind until they are announced
RioKing  +   1182d ago
Because you guys want more secrecy (less info) for more SURPRISE! during the official E3 unveiling. At least that's how it is for me :D
360ICE  +   1182d ago
It's their profession. You might as well not read the article.
morganfell  +   1182d ago
No details are slipping out but backwards compatibility may be a problem...

Not even waiting, are they.
SolidStoner  +   1182d ago
If PC can handle ps2 games than I cant see any reason for ps4 to be worse... what I really hope is that next gen console will be closer to PC, with all console priorities! that would be great for us gamers AND developers! Same goes for ps3 bluray games, if ps4 have bluray player I just dont understand why would they didnt work, since this is no alien tehnology....
AAACE5  +   1182d ago
The thing i dont get is, how can it be so hard to play ps3 ga
mes on a ps4? I mean essentially it will be a more powerful ps3 becase it will probably still use bluray.

Btw... i dont plan on being an early adopter for either system. Usually the games arent that great but we make ourselves believe they are to justify the reason for upgrading.

My ps3 and 360 work fine... ill wait!
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MikeMyers  +   1182d ago
If you're sick of hearing rumors for the PS4 then why read them?

What I find rather ironic about this article (if true) is how Sony went from being a pioneer of bringing BC to game consoles and really benefiting from this feature, to now almost shying away from it and instead try and get consumers to buy the same game over again (remastered or original). Not everyone wants multiple systems lying around, which is why it was a popular feature to begin with. Another issue may arise if the next Xbox comes with this feature out of the box much like the Wii U and Sony being left isolated. It's not a huge selling feature but it's one nonetheless.

As for 4K resolution I just don't see that happening. I don't think Sony will once again use the Playstation brand to propel a new format and be the leader in the next phase. One would have to consider how much space would be required for 4K on a bluray disc for example. They may offer a streaming service later on down the road but I don't see it being applied for gaming.

The PS4 will be about providing the best value at a reasonable cost. Supporting 4K is just too early and they definitely don't want to be bringing out a new format that eclipses bluray. I think they will stick with bluray but have much faster drive speeds. Along with a much needed ramp up in the amount of ram being allocated.
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pixelsword  +   1182d ago
"Sony and industry sources have remained tight-lipped on what kind of specifications and features we can expect to see when it releases. PS4 backwards compatibility however, may not be one of them."

I was for talking about the PS4, until I was against it.

Quit the double-talk: until you know about something, you don't.
Amazingmrbrock  +   1182d ago
That would be the nicest way to go about it but some people fund the purchase of their new console partly by selling the old one. 400+ isn't usually just kicking around in my bank account waiting for me to spend it. I usually have to scrimp and save for a few months, so being able to sell off my ps3 for 150 or so to get the shiny new ps4 is usually a great boon.
Beastforlifenoob  +   1182d ago
TIP; Try to sell just before its announced you will get ALOT more money since once its announced alot of people will sell there PS3, so the supply will increase, yet the demand will decrekase... But then you are left with no console for some time.
kreate  +   1182d ago

Hey sorry for being a retard but I would like to ask when the ps4 will be announced. So I can sell my ps3 just before ps4 is announced.
bangshi  +   1182d ago
Save for a bit longer then.

You don't have to have it immediately. And if you want the PS4 to play your PS3 games, you're clearly content playing those older games - so why the rush to immediately buy the new console at the highest price it will ever be?

I find the argument of trading in the old console to save money on the new one a flawed case.
Dasteru  +   1182d ago
N64 games aren't $500 lol.

Ocarina of time is worth $40 used
Majora's mask is $50
Zodiac  +   1182d ago
I'm not into the idea of buying used cartridge games from 15 years ago.

If i was going to buy n64 or earlier, then i would like it new, but that is almost impossible for the games worth playing.

No fun buying used retro games.
konnerbllb  +   1182d ago
Ocarina of time is less than two dollars right now on Ebay.
Irishguy95  +   1182d ago
Dasteru  +   1182d ago

I think you need to learn how Ebay works.

Those are bids not buyouts.

The retro game list price for OOT is $40 for a grey cart and $50 for gold (used, No box)
Pillsbury1  +   1182d ago
Someone with common sense, I still break out my ps2 and ps1 when I want to play classics.
DeadlyFire  +   1182d ago
I don't see how its sooooooo difficult. Sure you can't emulate it. Just put PS3 kit inside of PS4. Easy as pie. PS3 CPU+GPU all that are really necessary right?
Mr Tretton  +   1182d ago
If PS4 isn't BC to PS3 discs, it's because there is more money to be made in selling new digital copies on PSN then giving people BC. Simple as that.

A PC can emulate any console pre-current gen, that has ever existed. Emulators made by hobbyists. So how is a multi million dollar company not 'able' to emulate a previous console on the next? No money in it. Only a small number of people pass on a console due to no BC.
extermin8or  +   1182d ago
well I for one would quite like backwards compatibility, the way the rumours are working etc i expect we'll see a similar announcement time as vita had last year so a playstation meeting event in london or new york or maybe even Tokyo or somewhere like that in feb/march with a planned launch in approximately a years time (the vita was expected to launch worldwide before last xmas the earthquake/tsunami slowed production and that wasn't possible) and as I'll be at uni (but still fully intend to get one :P I should probably start saving soon actually) I would love backwards compatibility just so I can still play the games I've kept and not sold when bored of, so mainly the ps3 exclusives and arkham city etc plus that will save me needing to buy new games. Also if the ps4 is announced soonish and has no B/C with ps3 games I'm going to find it a real struggle to justify purchasing say The Last of Us or GTA5 so close to them being superseded; yeah my ps3 will still be at home and they can be played on there but.... It does at least need to be able to play PSN/PS£ games off psn really and the ps1 and ps2 psn games for certain- after all people will be annoyed if digital stuff also becomes redundant on the new console especially seeing as it tends to carry a higher price than retail and that could harm their digital ambitions for the next generation of consoles really with people reluctant to buy digitally earing loosing it all again come the start of the gen after next :O
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SkyGamer  +   1182d ago
There are a few problems with bc on ps4. First let's take into consideration of the CPU. The Cell and amd a8 or a10 will be different architecture. Then with memory. The ps3 uses only 256 but of high speed memory so that developers use their memory different, that will be an issue if they have more, obviously but not as fast, probable. Then on to the video card. Will nVidia charge sony royalties and manufacturing for their 7800gtx? Much like they did with Microsoft and the Xbox? So there are three major points for bc becoming a BIG deal in the ps4. Like the above poster states, just keep your ps3. I still have a launch date ps3 60 gb model with firmware right before the loss of other os.
bangshi  +   1182d ago

I didn't hear people moaning that their CD walkman didn't play their old cassette tapes or that their DVD player wasn't playing their VHS tapes.

People are just WANT WANT WANT, NOW NOW NOW.

If you can't afford it without trading in your old console, save a little more.

Simple as.
Vortex3D  +   1182d ago
If you still have the launch PS3 console, you can play PS1, PS2 and PS3 and then PS4 console for PS4 games.
Lucreto  +   1182d ago
I don't believe a word of it.

The developer in question so far have made one game for the PS3. Even that is a PSN game.
andibandit  +   1182d ago
Which developer, the article seemed to keep it anonymous?.
Lucreto  +   1182d ago
I went back to the interview the developer is from Clever Beans and they made When Vikings attack.
extermin8or  +   1182d ago
I believe it; look at the spot on vita rumours they came from the same kind of developers as these are coming from; if the small devs are making sony exclusive games timed or permanently they are likely to share new tech info with them to work on stuff for launch so it has a variety of launch titles both online and off.....
BitbyDeath  +   1182d ago
Guess these guys missed the flood of PS4 rumours that have been ongoing for quite some time.
moodgamer  +   1182d ago
If i buy a new Playstation or Xbox i will not care about this dilemma. If i have a Ps3 i play my PS3 games on hit. Like a still play some PS2 games on the PS2. Its cool to have backwards comptibility but its not the purpose of a new console to play different and new games? That's why its a new console.
The Great Melon  +   1182d ago
New and different games games don't necessarily mean recently released. I only played the original Metal Gear Solid this generation on my 60 GB PS3. I didn't own PlayStation, so was very happy to enjoy older games that I missed out on when I was narrow-mind Nintendo fanboy as a kid.

As I witness more and more console generations, I have a growing appreciation of PC gaming. Practically every game released in my lifetime can still be played on my current computer. Media may cause some slight issues, but its nice to now I can still play something like Starcraft which came out over 15 years ago.
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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1182d ago
also hd remakes are more than just hd..

Even if my pc is not the most high end like the opion to have the new tech at any time.
you might want to watch that in HD.
and then there is steam.

on topic:
but I really want to see sony return to there glory days. Seeing ps3 surpass 360 after selling 70 million+ and the fact that 360 had a year start? lol yeah ps brand is still strong.

Also I think gaikai will be used some how for old games.
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ConstipatedGorilla  +   1182d ago

"but I really want to see sony return to there glory days. Seeing ps3 surpass 360 after selling 70 million+ and the fact that 360 had a year start? lol yeah ps brand is still strong."

Why is this so important to you? Do you own Sony stock?
Muerte2494  +   1182d ago
This is where being an...
early adopter kind of pays off. I bought a refurbished 60gig ps3 in 2007. It still works til this very day and I also keep my BC because at that time, EmotionEngine was built in. My theory is this, unless they have a incredible launch line up like WiiU (re-releases) then BC is a must. You want to wait until your library is substantial enough before removing it (i.e xbox360-ps3). It may not remain that way for the entire gen, but I can see being there at launch.
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extermin8or  +   1182d ago
mine broke :(
urwifeminder  +   1182d ago
In the very least i hope the next xbox is backwards compatable im sure it will as it will use similar tech.
RioKing  +   1182d ago
Screw the next Xbox... this is a Playstation article, boy!
bozebo  +   1182d ago
"it will use similar tech."
you are talking total tripe.
etownone  +   1182d ago
Yeah, I really hope it is.
Indo  +   1182d ago
Can't imagine someone buying a PS4 and not having a PS3 to play their Old PS3 games.
MostJadedGamer  +   1182d ago
When I move to a new generation it means I am through with the last generation, and I will sell my old consoles and old games.
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The_Klank  +   1182d ago
Then why do you care about backwards compatibility?
aquamala  +   1182d ago
how many consoles do you want next to your TV?
snakebite36  +   1182d ago
All the consoles?
insomnium2  +   1182d ago
Like snake said all of them? I have like 7 consoles hooked up to my telly at any given time. Want some Shenmue on my DC? Just pop it in and play. Want some TMNT on my nes? Just pop it in and so on.....

Isn't this one of the aspects of being a gamer as a hobby?
Daoshai  +   1182d ago
I don't want more than 3. Its in my living room, my wife doesn't like it already that I have nearly 500 games on display. I can't handle more consoles.

BC makes it much more simple. It's a big deal to some, not huge to others.
Knight_Crawler  +   1182d ago
As hard as this may seem to beleive, PS3 die some times.

I had 2 PS3 yellow light on me.

With that being said if my PS3 dies 3 again 2-3 years from now should I go out and buy another one -_- or should I have the option of playing my PS3 library on my PS4.
ConstipatedGorilla  +   1182d ago
I had one PS3 crap out on me fairly quickly, and one 360 red ring after a year and a half. Nintendo is the only system that hasn't ever died on me. Not that it's a big deal, just mentioning.
e-p-ayeaH  +   1182d ago
I think PS4 should have 2 versions:

Highest priced version (limited for a year) - PS4 default functions + PS1/2/3 full backwards compatibility with discs without any glitches and slowdowns (which happens a lot with various PS1/PS2 disc based games on PS3)

Lowest priced version - PS4 default functions with no disc backwards compatibility whatsoever.
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tubers  +   1182d ago
I like the idea.. Seems like an extra insurance when my PS3 breaks and planning to buy a PS4..

The difference should be no more than 100 dollars though.
Beastforlifenoob  +   1182d ago
It will create fragmentation in the PS3 tech, reason why android is still missing some apps
MastaPiff  +   1182d ago
I'm mixed about this. I keep my old consoles but I am big on backwards compatibility. When I heard the newer PS3's weren't gonna be backwards compatible, I decided to finally pull the trigger on a fatty. Glad I did because I couldn't afford a PS3 game til a couple weeks later. I like playing PS1 & 2 games on my PS3. Only exceptions are a couple of PS2 games that look kinda uglier but I'm not sure why (HDMI maybe?). I won't be giving Sony money to cloud stream PS3 games I already own on a PS4 so I suggest they work it out if they wanna sign me up next gen...
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Canary  +   1182d ago
I've been buying Sony hardware for years. I've had 'em all. PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP, PSV. Hell, I've bought some twice.

But no b/c for the PS(4)? I won't even bother with it. I'd go Wii U, or Xbox(3).
RioKing  +   1182d ago
I really like B/C, I loved having it on my fat ps3....but losing it is not enough reason for me to switch to another console..
KwietStorm  +   1182d ago | Well said
Good luck playing your PS3 games on your Wii U.
Rhythmattic  +   1182d ago

Best in context sentence... ever....

Ka'Bam !
bozebo  +   1182d ago
What? You are butthurt over technology evolving? Makes no sense.
Canary  +   1182d ago
More like devolving.

Wii U has b/c.
360 has b/c.
PC has b/c.

I honestly cannot believe how many moronic consumers there are trying to defend Sony on this. It's a dick move, plain and simple.
bozebo  +   1182d ago
Well, it'd take an insane amount of processing power to emulate the PS3, and the hardware is expensive so it'd mean buying a PS3 again inside your PS4 and it makes a lot of heat so that makes the cooling solution impractical.

If they want to make the PS4 good, they can't have PS3 BC, deal with it.
ziggurcat  +   1182d ago
i honestly cannot understand how many morons there are pining over backwards compatibility. heaven forbid that a company release a system that is dedicated to playing games made for that system...

hate to break it to you, but your misguided nostalgia is misleading you into believing that those old, antiquated games are good.
Xof  +   1182d ago
Goddamn are you stupid.

For starters, you're applying the term "misguided nostalgia" to contemporary games, which is ****ing wrong no matter how you look at it. Secondly, WHEN a game is made has no bearing on how good a game is. At all. It's completely irrelevant.

Just... just shut the **** up. It's a valid complaint. B/C removal is basically a big F-You to customers. Even more so w/ this current generation now that so many titles are distributed digitally. There is no excuse for backwards compatibility.

And this crap about, "oh, X hardware won't be powerful enough to emulate Y hardware" is nonsense. The PS3 can emulate PS2 games just fine, the PS2 could emulate PS1 games just fine. If the PS4 can't emulate PS1, PS2 and PS3 games, there's no excuse.

But all you ****ing morons out there are probably stifling your erections at the thought of re-purchasing a handful of your PS3 games "remastered" for the PS4.

Jesus ****ing Christ.

If I ever quit being a gamer, it's going to be partly because of companies like Sony treating consumers like garbage, yeah, but mostly because of the pathetic, juvenile, poorly-reasoned justifications, excuses, apologies, and imbecilic attacks of consumer criticism that plague the community.

Jesus **** Christ. Everyone in this thread just pisses me off.
Sarobi  +   1182d ago
PS4 will use Gaikai to allow users to play PS3/2/1 games.. as simple as that
LOGICWINS  +   1182d ago
PS4 will use Gaikai to allow users to REBUY and play PS3/2/1 simple as that

JellyJelly  +   1182d ago
Don't get the disagrees. That's what they have been doing all this gen. Releasing overpriced "HD" collections instead of letting you play the original discs.

If they keep doing this I say PC is the best way to get BC.
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Sarobi  +   1181d ago
Well rebuying them over cloud should of been a given.
WeAreLegion  +   1182d ago
As long as I can download them, I'm happy. I download most of my PS3 games now. :) Also, PS Plus continuing onto the PS4 would be amazing!
Vickistheman  +   1182d ago
PS Plus continuing on PS4 is pretty much guaranteed.
ALLWRONG  +   1182d ago
Consoles should all be backwards compatible.
Relientk77  +   1182d ago
I completely agree with this
tubers  +   1182d ago
At least to the last gen.

I wouldn't mind losing PS1/2 B/C on the PS4.. but please I hope it doesn't lose the PS3 B/C.
bozebo  +   1182d ago
No, no they should not. Do you have any idea how the hardware works? No, thought not. The only way to ensure BC is physically putting PS3/PS2/PS1 hardware in the actual PS4 which would make it really expensive, that was a bit of an issue for the original PS3 but it'd be an even bigger problem in the PS4 (especially PS3 BC)
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tweet75  +   1182d ago
its still too early for any console to go all digital. If that happened with the ps4 it would have same fate as the pspgo
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MultiConsoleGamer  +   1182d ago
Oh it will have BC. Full BC. It's called Gakai.

And well... there's another big surprise coming.
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gamingisnotacrime  +   1182d ago
BC is awesome for early months of the console life, but later on just play the new games
this gen the HD collections have been a huge success, if PS4 is a huge a leap as PS3 is from PS2 then do some updated versions and sell them, is all good
TheDivine  +   1182d ago
BC is a huge deal for me. Yes i want the new games but i like having one system vs having 2. With my wii i play gamecube games. On 360 i play xbox games. On ps3 i rebuy ps2 games lol. On 3ds i play ds titles. Vita has me rebuying games as theres no physical bc. Its more important early on sure but its still a big deal. No bc and il wait a year or two instead of selling my ps3 to buy the ps4.
fOrlOnhOpe57  +   1182d ago
Oh no - might we end up with PS4 Collections of PS3 Collections lol
izumo_lee  +   1182d ago
Is it possible that the PS4 will still have some sort of configuration of the CELL processor cause if i remember Sony bought back the factory that produces the chip. Also by the time the PS4 comes out the CELL chip may be cheap to produce anyways. Just like the original fat PS3 model had the 'Emotion Engine' in the system, although they did remove it later cause of cost issues.

Still i think it is better to just keep your PS3 system cause it will be still a viable system even when the PS4 comes out. Besides the trade in value probably will not be that much anyways.
Relientk77  +   1182d ago
I hope it has Backwards Compatibility, that was one of the big selling points for me with the PS2, and PS3 (I bought a launch PS3)
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MasterCornholio  +   1182d ago
I will just keep my PS3 to avoid this issue so I'm not really worried.

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kupomogli  +   1182d ago
I wonder if they'll add PS2 BC back with the PS4.

Then I'll just use the PS4 as my PS4/PS2 machine gaming console and I'll get new Slim PS3. The slims are super quiet, while the fan is kind of loud on the fat PS3s.
Pillsbury1  +   1182d ago
Do people complain when money whoring m$ completely drops any and all support for the new system? Sony will still support ps3 when ps4 comes out. 10 year life cycle, I will keep my ps3 just like I still have my ps2.
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ooquis  +   1182d ago
Fuck backwards compatibility!
Monstar  +   1182d ago
Agreed, fuck we want to go backwards anyways...this generations has been LOOOONNGG enough.
schlanz  +   1182d ago
Although I like having it just for the sake of it I rarely if ever use it.
C0MPUT3R  +   1182d ago
Option a make the system more expensive with BC. ($499)
Option b make the system less expensive but no BC. ($399)
I would choose the $399 option, because I already have a PS3.
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Raoh  +   1181d ago
I would choose the $399 option, because I already have a PS3.

I would choose the BC $499 model if I could get a trade in deal for my PS3 to offset the cost.

I hate having multiple systems. Its one of the reasons why after buying all three consoles I stayed with the ps3. An all in one device, a cheap device with no media features sans netflix or a 360 that requires hardware add ons (at the time you needed a wifi add on, hd dvd add on, charge and play add on etc, at least for what I wanted, I ran my PS2 with a wifi adapter, a built in one for ps3 was a godsend, an addon for the 360 was last gen to me)

As an adult gamer who takes pride in his home and money spent on luxury items the ability to have one device with less wires and add ons was the ultimate appeal.

I'd rather trade it all in for a BC model or get rid of it all still for store credit and just live with the PS4.

The PC helps off set this. No dead space 1, 2 or 3 on my PS4 only Dead Space 4? No thanks, I'll just play the series on my PC via Steam instead.
HarryPS3  +   1182d ago
I am more interested in the design of the Playstation 4 than backwards compatibility. My launch PS3 has it and i only played one PS2 game on it, just to test it.
Hicken  +   1182d ago
BC is nice, but since I keep my consoles, I don't NEED it. It DOES make things more convenient, but that's about all there is to it, for me.

Instead of only owning the newest consoles, I'd rather have one of each one. That's part of what it means to be a gamer, to me.
Ben_Grimm  +   1182d ago
Oh Hicken, the old tired defence of, if we don't have it then we don't need it.
bunfighterii  +   1182d ago
It would be a convenience to have it but not a necessity.

I don't plan on ditching my PS3- too many fond memories :). Best console I ever owned...

54 games in my library and counting. Actually, it'll be 56 tomorrow afternoon...
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Felonycarclub8  +   1182d ago
The next playstation won't be called ps4 and it won't be BC, it will not have the cell, and the only way to play BC will be thru gaikai, so keep your ps3
schlanz  +   1182d ago
maybe they are going to pull an Apple and drop the number lol

new Playstation
kewlkat007  +   1182d ago
If true, could be something to do with the Processor...A whole new architecture might mean they cannot squeeze the cell back in there. Just like they ripped out emotion engine from PS3.
air1  +   1182d ago
Its just rumors so they can be wrong..

Imo sony better have that together though... I mean wtf! They been in it 4 gens if they release a ps4, thats not enough damn experience to have tackled bc issues..

I think ms will have bc with the next console, i remember seeing prints of 360 games being up scaled with the nextbox a long with other upgrades with the game, not just graphics but performance too.

All the next gen consoles better have bc, no damn excuses! at the very least i should be able to play ps3 exclusives on the ps4.
Felonycarclub8  +   1182d ago
Well from all the rumors the next playstation won't have the cell processor so it won't be able to play ps3 games, the reason is to have a system that is easier to develop for than the ps3 was and that's one of the reasons it won't be called ps4. The Xbox most likely will have BC but at least Sony will have BC thru gaikai, I rather have a system where all developers are able to use as much power out of the console as possible with ease unlike the ps3 where some developers had problems. So say goodbye to bad ports and third party games.
PtRoLLFacE  +   1181d ago
true but i ll hate to pay again for a ps3 game where i have the disc right in my face and i can't play it, now if you could prove you are the owner of the game like saying inserting the disc in just to verify, and then let you stream it for free then am sold
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