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Submitted by Smurf1 516d ago | news

First Wii U brick reported; Massive firmware update size revealed

GV: The Wii U will brick if you shut it down during an ongoing firmware update. (Nintendo, Wii U)

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SonyNGP  +   516d ago
5GB?
That's freakin' huge o_O
decrypt  +   516d ago
Its not a problem i am sure you can hit the Del key when the system boots up, load the backup bios ... oh wait nvm.
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AsimLeonheart  +   515d ago
Nintendo needs to learn about the online component of consoles. You just cannot release a 5GB update out of nowhere without any kind of backup to restore the console in case of any mishap. Not everybody can download 5Gb within an hour. Many people will need a whole day and anything can happen between that time to brick the console.
dee-ecks  +   515d ago
There is no del key stupid.
bumnut  +   515d ago
^^^^^ Dumb ass!
ShinMaster  +   515d ago
So do Wii Us only have 3gb then?
It's more expensive than the PS3 and 360 and at least 6 years late and still behind.

I will wait on a better model.
Lazyeye79  +   515d ago
Ya its big and will this even fit on the 8gb model, I mean isn't over 4 gigs already used by the system or is this supposed to be part of that already used 4 gigs?
MikeMyers  +   515d ago
Of course it will fit on all models.

These are the joys of a launch for a new system. I imagine the phone lines for customer service will be long and frustrating.

Hopefully there is a backup plan if your power gets disconnected or you accidentally unplug your device while it's trying to update the system.

I said before that it will be awhile before everything on the Wii U is running properly. That's one of the reasons why I'm waiting. Nintendo's inexperience when it comes to online gameplay and apps is already being reviewed. It's slow and not everything is functional just yet.
the 8gb model is really 3gbs..
Starbucks_Fan  +   515d ago
Yeah, it's pretty big ;)
ajax17  +   515d ago
Fu*k you Geoff! Being able to download 5 gigs in an hour! God, I hate time warner's slow internet!
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NoFanboyRequired  +   515d ago
Time Warner isn't slow. its just the cheap internet package you have. They have over 50MB/s so i can assure you, its just your package. Of course i don't have them. i have Charter with a 30MB connection. Its beautiful ;)
NegativeCreepWA  +   515d ago
My power went out in the middle of the update and bricked it. So I'm already on my second wii u. lol.
andibandit  +   515d ago
What is the friend code to download this update?
boybato  +   516d ago
First Wii U brick reported: Do not shutdown during firmware update - this is common knowledge!!!!
Snookies12  +   516d ago
Yeah that's what I was about to say lol! Why the hell would anyone shut it down during an update?
Smurf1  +   516d ago
There's a backup state usually. PS3 updates again when you reset it during a firmware update.
G20WLY  +   515d ago
If only life was that simple; where I live powercuts are quite frequent and now I'm worried it might happen during firmware update and leave me with an expensive door stop :(

Thing is, it being a new system, there are bound to be a fair few updates coming in for the rest of the year.
neogeo  +   515d ago
power outage?
esemce  +   515d ago
No one probably but what if there is a power cut etc? I hope there is a way to initiate a system restore.
sincitysir1  +   515d ago
lets hope nintendo doesnt have control over our power then ;]
mechlord  +   515d ago
You see, most of the time this is said as a general rule and common sense, like "dont use cellphones in a thunderstorm"...

but what also is common sense is that any hw maker worth their salt would know that million things can happen and a fail-safe is needed;

for instance, its unbelievable the wii u will brick while DOWNLOADING the update... i mean, what is it doing? downloading and writing the pieces as it gets? the usual (and tried-and-true) way is to download the file,verify it and only then start doing the update. No matter how you slice it, this is a flawed design. Lets not touch the point of an UPDATE with 5bg...not even microsoft puts out updates this big to windows
abzdine  +   515d ago
cause it takes 4 hours maybe and nobody wants to stare at the TV in that case or just that they didnt know how big the update is and they regret.
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camel_toad  +   515d ago
Just cross your fingers you aren't hit with a random power outage.
G20WLY  +   515d ago
Sorry Camel_toad, I just wrote the same thing then saw your comment. A very real concern though, until we know of any in-buit fail safe/back up.
pr0digyZA  +   515d ago
I think it becomes more of a problem if your power goes off, especially as it is such a big update (some people take more than 10 hours to do that amount).
Slapshot82  +   515d ago
Yes, it is, but it shouldn't brick if something goes wrong during an update that can take over an hour to download/install.
TurkishKIng  +   515d ago
Depends on how big the freakin´ FW is correct? 5GB is a Joke. Who wants to sit and download a firmware for hours instead of playing games?
GraveLord  +   515d ago
Things happen. You can lose power or something, there should be back-up plans in case someone does turn it off. Not everyone has the time to download a 5gig update. Not everyone wants to send Nintendo their console for repairs.

Nintendo really messed up.
Rayansaki  +   515d ago
So what? If the console becomes unusable if you shut it down during the update it's fucking retardedly engineered. It's never good to shut down during updates, but it's not 100% avoidable, anything from a power outage, to internet outage or download stalling at a certain % can force you to do so. Specially if the update is freakin 5GB :X

Playstation also tells you not to shutdown during firmware update, but if you do, it retries after you restart, and if all else fails you can simply reset it to factory settings.

This is really sad by nintendo, hope they fix it fast or it's gonna be a horde of angry customers all over the world.
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Dark_king  +   515d ago
Actually the ps3 originally had this issue also.Was fixed some time ago though.Flashing the bios is always a risk.
silvacrest  +   515d ago
i doubt it is really common knowledge, think about who were the vast majority who bought the original wii
fanboydestroyer  +   514d ago
You know, most people don't power down during an update because they are curious, many, like me, had a system that locked up during the update. My system became unresponsive when the connection was lost, I let it sit for over two hours and it remained frozen. At this point, there is no option but power down. A lot of you need to stop being condescending pricks, there are people that spent hundreds on hard earned dollars to sit and stare at a brick. Nintendo failed to build in a fail-safe, that is inexcusable.
Intentions  +   516d ago
Ummm... No shit.
Godchild1020  +   516d ago
Why would you shut down the system when its updating? Something wrong is bound to happen. Report a brick when something happen when you don't cause it yourself.
bubblebeam  +   515d ago
Or if the power goes out? Or if someone else turns it off mistakenly? A rat nibbles on the power cord? A herd of elephants comes into your house and trips on the power cord? Or if a T-rex................

You get my point. Fact is, Nintendo is at fault either way. Who else is there to blame? (Please don't blame me).
Kos-Mos  +   515d ago
Land of the free and sue everything even if it`s your own fault.
Baka-akaB  +   515d ago
90% of those listed are the owner's fault then .

And the way people usually complain about console prices , you'd think they'd learn by now to at least invest into UPS units and surge protectors .

How often do you experience over an hour long power outage ?
Shadowstar  +   515d ago
Baka-akaB : Are you really saying everyone should have consoles on a battery back-up system as standard practice? Seriously?
WildStyles  +   516d ago
5GB? Is this real life?
SonyNGP  +   516d ago
Is this just fantasy?
WildStyles  +   516d ago
LOL
PopRocks359  +   515d ago
Caught in a landslide
VonBraunschweigg  +   515d ago
lala-lala reality.
neoMAXMLC  +   515d ago
No escape from reality.
FunAndGun  +   515d ago
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Irishguy95  +   515d ago
Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
majiebeast  +   515d ago
Open your eyes
Deku-Johnny  +   515d ago
Look up to the skies and see
FunAndGun  +   515d ago
I'm just a poor boy
monkey nuts  +   515d ago
I need no sympathy_____
Mikefizzled  +   515d ago
From a Poor family
Spare him his life from this monstrosity
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ronin4life  +   515d ago
I see..
Console launches...do this to people....
Brian1rr  +   516d ago
Lol most Wii Games are not even that big
MegaLagann  +   516d ago
...Why would you turn the system off while it's updating?
TheRealSpy  +   515d ago
Because you just waited in line til midnight to get something you want to play, only to discover that you have to wait 2 hours before you can even do the initial set-up.

I thought about stopping it and letting it update later. Glad I didn't now.
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Deku-Johnny  +   515d ago
But if you get it at midnight why not just set it up and leave it to download while you sleep for the night then get up in the morning and play it.
TheUndertaker85  +   515d ago
...Because it's 5GB and not everybody has the patience to wait for 5GB to download?

You can replace the word patience with time if you want. There's lots of substitutions.
Plagasx  +   515d ago
Lol, what if they forgot to turn off that "Auto shutdown" feature and it even shuts down if it's updating...
J_Cob  +   515d ago
Good point. My friend has the slowest internet I've ever seen. Downloading 5gb takes him a day and a half. I'm pretty sure he's not the only person out there with that problem. That is unless the "Auto Shutdown" feature is automatically disabled when updating the firmware.
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CoLD FiRE  +   515d ago
I'm pretty sure such a feature will be disabled during an update... unelss Nintendo engineers are a bunch of idiots.
izumo_lee  +   515d ago
Hope people have bought an external HDD before updating the system cause that 5GB really eats up most of that basic model 8GB system.

Funny cause it should be common knowledge that when a system is updating 'YOU DO NOT TURN OFF THE MACHINE!". The PC, PS3 warns the user not to turn off the system so i wonder if the dude ignored a similar warning on the Wii U or if the Wii U does not have a similar warning on screen.
BitbyDeath  +   515d ago
Well apparently the 8gb model only has 3gb left so it might now even be able to get this update :-s
izumo_lee  +   515d ago
Wait since an 8 GB model will have 3 GB left over is it possible that this 5 GB update was predetermined already cause if you do the math...

8GB - 5GB = 3GB O_O!
jon1234  +   515d ago
yeah and usually the amount any system has for space isnt usually what you get, so an 8 gb system might be like a 7.xx gb, so there's like 2 gbs left !
BitbyDeath  +   515d ago
True, you are probably right
Rayansaki  +   515d ago
@izumo, the update was predetermined, it installs access to nintendo network.

Probably the system's operating system was not ready when the console went into mass production so they left it to update day 1.
r21  +   515d ago
Oh, those poor 8Gig owners :C
Pathosverdes3  +   515d ago
One does not simply unplug a WiiU during update.

Nintendo should have prepared for this kind of scenario, especially when the updates are this big.
Summons75  +   515d ago
there is nothing in the world that can prepare for idiots doing stupid things....like unplugging a machine during an update.
TheUndertaker85  +   515d ago
The other systems are prepared... And they're over six years old.
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BlmThug  +   515d ago
x'D Day one patch for a console
Schawk  +   515d ago
Seems by this video the Auto Power-Down may be disabled by the console itself during update?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
No_Pantaloons  +   515d ago
OK ppl, yea he shouldn't have turned it off, we all agree on that, can we move on now.

That really sucks for him and other potentials, for that large they should have included a disk with the firmware on it.
5gb is a lot, not everyone has super fast internet, and at the very least it takes your bandwidth.
AusRogo  +   515d ago
Well no shit, isn't that just common sense not to do it?
chukamachine  +   515d ago
Easy come Easy go.
BananaEatingSquid  +   515d ago
5GB?! What the hell is going on?

I'm sitting here with my newly purchased Wii U and am not looking forward to any massive updates.... but I'm certainly not going to shut it down during said updates.

ZombiU here I come 8)
Zechs34  +   515d ago
The biggest problem I see is with an update this size, what about people with no wifi or even Internet who buy this console? Are they stuck having to purchase a game and hope the 5gb update is crammed in there?
fanboydestroyer  +   514d ago
If they don't have internet, they don't need the update, it's for internet features.
claud3  +   515d ago
Nice size and they seem to be getting bigger. I have heard
OneAboveAll  +   515d ago
The best they could do was release a console with 32gb max? I don't understand this trend?
AzaziL  +   515d ago
especially when SSDs are going for a dollar a gig and sinking, makes no sense to me to even have a 8GB model.
NYC_Gamer  +   515d ago
Well,it's common sense not to shut down the console while its updating...
Nevers0ft  +   515d ago
Although the update is 5GB it doesn't appear to eat into the Wii's internal storage. RichIGN tweeted about it earlier:

"Rich ‏@RichIGN
So here's something interesting. Before the Day One update, Wii U said I had 25GB free. And then after: 25GB."
kma2k  +   515d ago
any reports on niny download speeds from there network? For me the psn is capped at 1mbps just curious
DeadPixel  +   515d ago
Think people need to rememeber how many problems the 360 had when it was first released, i went through 3 or 4 consoles in the first couple of years due to poor build quality and rushed production, ms even extended the warranty because of this. The ps3 is still riddled with problems to this day and struggles to handle most games, but yet it does well we need to give the wii u a fighting chance not slamming it from day one because of a few problems...
monkey nuts  +   515d ago
Wait, so your the reason ms extended the warranty on the 360? I'd just like to say a heartfelt thank you from all the other 360 owners who benefitted from this, including me. Thanks blud.
DeadPixel  +   515d ago
Your welcome.
TheUndertaker85  +   515d ago
First couple of years and first day.

Do people really not see a difference? If your system is brickable from day one from such a minor problem, that's not reassurance for the future.
mechlord  +   515d ago
DeadPixel, Im gonna be very civil and avoid any insults towards you while saying:

The 360 had build-quality related issues like overheating, spinning discs (yes, every disc spins, but you know what im talking about) and you say it yourself; The PS3 was never RIDDLED that word feels like youre saying the PS3 has/ had LOTS of hardware problems - which is downright a false claim. A simple measure of that would be the number of first gen PS3s vs first gen 360s vs first gen Wiis (if you decide to add the wii) and we can settle that the general consensus is that the ps3 had a better build quality;

The PS3 doesnt struggle to handle most games, you discredit yourself by making such clearly unfunded accusatory remarks (which almost everyone can spot righ on). Ive had problems playing Uncharted 3, as my PS3 is the OG 60GB model, cant finish it to this day, had troubles playing Skyrim but these are two separate problems but generally the PS3 has no more problem in handling games than the wii/360

The problem with the Wii U is that this behavior, that it bricks if, as the article ultimately says, power gets cut while its updating. You see, there are lots of pieces of hardware that update their firmware these days so Ninty had everywhere to look for inspiration or simply copycating...because, bricking a console WHILE YOURE DOWNLOADING (remember the firmware wasnt even being applied, its was still being downloaded) is just ridiculous. There is no need for us to defend an incorrect behavior on a console; Ninty got it wrong, period. It will sell, we re not slamming it, we joust found out Ninty committed a crime in doing this and obviously people cant understand why
DeadPixel  +   514d ago
Mechlord, you're clearly a sony fan boy and can't read properly I never said the ps3 had hardware problems but it has had and still has software problems, with ports and problematic updates, a console launch will always have problems be it major ones or minor ones. Everyone should stop pissing and moaning about something they probably never intended to buy in the first place!!!
fanboydestroyer  +   514d ago
Totally different, couple of years vs out the box...
MadMen  +   515d ago
wiiU a failure out of the gate
TemplarDante  +   515d ago
Iwata, I dont live in Japan. If my internet DC's or my router cuts out, are you saying Im basically F@%?%d?
Cuz.. I wouldnt mind if it was 500mb... but 5GB...?
nikoado  +   515d ago
I'd speculate that you'll be able to continue your download if your internet connection drops out.

If you are installing the update, after the whole thing had downloaded, and THEN the console goes off, it'll probably brick.

Maybe Nintendo should have a backup state so that you can re-do the install when you turn the console back on.

Can anyone confirm if the download and install stages are separate, or does it install as it downloads?
rainslacker  +   515d ago
Mine took about 90 minutes to download and then it had a separate install screen that took about another 20 minutes(speculating because I went to make dinner before it started).
fanboydestroyer  +   514d ago
Nope, mine froze after the connection was lost with about %15 percent downloaded and never responded again.
nikoado  +   514d ago
@ fanboydestroyer
That really sucks man.

If there really is no way to continue if you drop your internet connection, Nintendo should enable us to download the update on another storage device and then transfer over. That way you only have to worry about the power going out during an install.

I wonder if updates come on game discs like do with PS3?
gpturbo81  +   515d ago
if router cuts out, download resumes from where it left off. download took 55 mins for me.
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nikoado  +   514d ago
Oh, that's good to know, thanks.
auragenz  +   515d ago
Sounds more like Nintendo's problem when stores begin to be inundated with returns because there is no failsafe when updating system.

Users shouldn't have to live in fear of bricking their console if an act of god cuts out their power during an update, but I guess Nintendo figures this is what a receipt is for.
Darkspade  +   515d ago
I just hope they Release a USB Version.. I'd rather download on PC then Wreck a Wii U
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