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Xbox 720: XBW uses penultimate issue to 'tell you everything we know'

8-page "everything we know" feature will suggest specs, appearance and AR features.

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SITH1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

The artist representation, looks like a curvy ps2 when it is standing up. Next gen consoles better have SSD. Otherwise get ready for long load times.

OneAboveAll1351d ago

HA! SSD he says. Do you want your consoles to be $600? Because SSD is expensive.

bozebo1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Well, MS started this gen with 20GB drives. There are some small capacity SSDs which are quite cheap, MS could get a good deal on the related tech and bundle them with 360s then charge crazy amounts for a sensible (as in like 100GB) SSD for a "premium" package. That is how spending more to have SSDs would actually make MS money, people won't feel as big a need to upgrade a HDD if it had one instead of a SSD because it should have plenty of capacity right at the start of the generation.

Load times will be vastly quicker even without the next gen having SSDs anyway.

There is going to be a very fine line in their pricing though. They will have to sell at a bigger loss than previous generations unless it isn't top of the range hardware (I suspect neither the PS4 nor 720 will be pushing any boundaries, but the difference between the two consoles could be large)

badvlad1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

ssd is not expensive look at samsung ssd 840. But i dont care about the harddrive its the ram memory that needs to be big. 8 is not enough i think

Mikefizzled1351d ago

Why would they sell gamers a storage with a considerably shorter life span and considerably more expensive? Or are you just trying to look smart talking about SSD's?

MikeMyers1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Don't expect SSD in the new system. It's all about getting the most value at the lowest cost this coming generation and SSD drives still start at about $80. I do expect Microsoft to go back to providing a hard drive with every system, but it's highly unlikely to be a SSD. A faster disc drive will also help load times. They will probably do something like Nintendo is doing and that is offer different models at launch. Cloud services will also come into play.

I think that model shown looks rather cool. They should call it Xbox Durango.

bintarok1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Hmm..so this confirms the new Xbox coming out next year. The magnesium case looks kinda cool.

Hopefully the Orbis is coming out afterward, if not prior.

edit: the shape reminds me to AppleTV and the chrome frame makes it look like an obese iP4. The minimalist approach does the sexy look.

Autodidactdystopia1351d ago

ssds have becomewaymore reliable and cheap.

so those arguments dont really hold water.

it would be a great feature.

an ssd would improve everything from boot-time load-times browsing librarys install times literally everything depends on the hdd.
and an ssd is the answer to all that.

who knows if they would use them but it would cut load times in 1/4 for levels 4 times the size in data.

my argument here is that is IS a good idea, question is will they use it or not.

AAACE51351d ago

If online gameplay isnt free on this one ill pass.

Conzul1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Both Sony and M$ should go with SSHDs. Nearly as fast as SSDs, same storage capacity as HDDs, and quite cheap.

For example, the Seagate Momentus XT($90 newegg). I have one in my PS3. It has sped everything up by ~25%-35%, just imagine if Sony or M$ specialized their systems with such a drive.

wishingW3L1351d ago

40, 60GB SSD are cheap and they would speed-up games like crazy, it would be like playing games from a cartridge. You can put an SSD on the PS3 but the system does't make use of all its capacity/features so it ends up being just as fast as a 5000RPM HDD. But the X720 will have newer motherboards with higher speed bus and connectivity and it will be able to take full advantage of it.

Kushan1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

SSDs aren't so unthinkable. Unlike tradditional Hard Drives, the same amount of storage in an SSD will get cheaper over time. HDD's hit a "limit" whereby the cost of components just can't get any cheaper. That's why both the 360 and PS3 have upgraded the HDD space sold over time, because it's actually cheaper to do so.

Now Flash memory is different, it always gets cheaper and cheaper so over time the same amount of space WILL cost less money. SSDs are just flash memory (with a controller) packed into a HDD-sized shell. It's not unthinkable that Microsoft may bundle say 16Gb of SSD-like flash memory to be used purely as a cach for games to load faster, faster than a normal HDD can allow.

ajax171351d ago

7,200 rpm would be a pretty nice standard though...

Mounce1351d ago

I would think that the best alternative is this.

SSD + Cloud.

SSD for important files that need loading but also dependable Cloud storage and server-based data storing methods.

SilentNegotiator1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

SSD is no where near being cheap or reliable enough. And one year probably won't bring them to that point. Not when downloading games, DLC, etc is becoming bigger and bigger.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Seeing how wiiU is selling I am thinking that MS might want to have you buy exteranl HDD's.

Accept they will be over priced xbox branded 100GB HDD's for $99.

Anonagrog1351d ago

The costs of SSD's are shooting down so fast at the moment. If we assume xmas time next year as the earliest release possibility for new consoles, a lot can happen in that time.

@Mikefizzled, regarding SSD life-span.

The life-span limits you mention are so out of reach for most people that they aren't worth worrying about. I mean, the Samsung 830 256gb hdd, for example, has a suggested write cycle limit of 3000 cycles. That's 256gb*3000 = 750 terabytes. That'd let you write over 200gb to it every day for 10 years before you should expect it to start faltering. That's in the worse case too.

Dovahkiin1351d ago

@badvlad

Are you joking? 8gb of ram is all it will need for years to come. Skyrim on PC only allocates itself 2gb.

Research.

cannon88001351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Lets just hope that everything will work out just fine for all the next gen consoles; hardware wise, software wise and sales wise.

SITH1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Funny, multiple websites are reporting next gen consoles will have SSD drives. And $600, you mean like the ps3 was when it launched high speed?

I have two ssd drives in my alienware they were not expensive.

http://i1114.photobucket.co...

You might want to find a new hobby next gen light weight. Or find a better job.

GrumpyVeteran1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Moron. You can buy a Sandisk Extreme 120GB SSD for less than $100 now. They are no longer expensive and soon will be reaching the point of being inexpensive.

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grailly1351d ago

you can put it in yourself if you really want ssd

FlameBaitGod1351d ago

Mikefizzled

What the hell are you talking about ? SSD have no moving parts which make them last longer than traditional HDD's. Educate yourself before posting pleas.

DoomeDx1351d ago

Do your SSD Research..

You do know that SSD's dont have a very good lifespan.
If you use your Console (with SSD) for more then 4 years, you will notice some impressive slow downs.

SSD's are using Cells..The cells can run out and the SSD will die.

HDD's on the other hand..have the advantage of lifespan.

What do you prefer?

Speed, or lifespan? Besides the diffrence in gaming with an SSD is minimal. So SSD's would be useless for a gaming console.

Extra money, for a very tiny gain.

Kushan1351d ago

SSDs are rated for the same lifespan of HDD's these days. Early SSDs were different, modern ones are much better at handling that sort of thing.

Conzul1351d ago

The difference in gaming with an SSD is NOT minimal. That's just plain untrue.

Loading screens literally cease to exist, amongst other benefits.

vishant1011351d ago

SSD's are built these days to replenish their cells. they now have higher life capacity but i would prefer a cross hybrid of HDD nd SSD where only certain game data is ported to SSD when u play that game.

atticus141351d ago

If they have plenty of Ram SSDs wont be needed really. But SSDs are due for some more price crashing, but vendors are still trying to get rid of old stock first.

With all the digital content they want to sell you however I think they will want a bigger hard drive. Unless they choose to gimp it at first with small sized SSDs so the fanboys will constantly upgrade hardware with each refresh.

I wouldn't mind small SSDs if they allowed external storage though, because it makes the speed of SSDs standard for all game developers to work with from day one on all systems

Syntax-Error1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

The developers already have the kits and so far I've read that AGAIN, the xbox kit is superior to the PS4 dev kit. PS4 is has done away with cell according to insiders. Article doesn't make sense especially when they said the speculate the name is going to be simply XBOX. The first one is just called XBOX, so how do you distinguish the two? If someone walked in a store and said can I get a Playstation, iPod, Nintendo,or Samsung Galaxy...the clerk is going to ask DUH, WHICH ONE?

Ben_Grimm1351d ago

Do you really think retailers sell the 1st xbox? C'mon now.

TAURUS-5551351d ago

it looks nice and now at least its got bluray and not HD-DVD XD

hesido1351d ago

Whatabout a hybrid system?

A small fraction of the harddisk could be ssd to reduce cost but provide performance, and only the active game would use it for streaming frequently used assets, and the SSD portion could be flushed after the game.

However I would like an 8x bluray drive instead of SSD. That'd be pretty good.

BuLLDoG9091351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

Why would we need ssd's ?.
I bet you believe them articles too saying next gen game production costs are going to multiply....

BF3 maxed on ultra settings @ 1080p on pc, we'll be lucky to get hardware capable of getting close to that level of performance, games that have already been made over a year ago needing no ssd or crazy high production costs, no need "next gen" either..

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badvlad1351d ago (Edited 1351d ago )

yay = )im getting 1 first day, as i did with the 360 hopefully it will be cheaper. I bought mine 05 for 470 euros premium.

sandman2241351d ago

I can't wait. I hope next year brings us the new Xbox.

Trago13371351d ago

Show me how Watch Dogs and Star Wars 1313 run on the thing, Then we can talk.