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Xbox 720: XBW uses penultimate issue to 'tell you everything we know'

8-page "everything we know" feature will suggest specs, appearance and AR features. (Next-Gen)

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SITH  +   1058d ago
The artist representation, looks like a curvy ps2 when it is standing up. Next gen consoles better have SSD. Otherwise get ready for long load times.
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OneAboveAll  +   1058d ago
HA! SSD he says. Do you want your consoles to be $600? Because SSD is expensive.
bozebo  +   1058d ago
Well, MS started this gen with 20GB drives. There are some small capacity SSDs which are quite cheap, MS could get a good deal on the related tech and bundle them with 360s then charge crazy amounts for a sensible (as in like 100GB) SSD for a "premium" package. That is how spending more to have SSDs would actually make MS money, people won't feel as big a need to upgrade a HDD if it had one instead of a SSD because it should have plenty of capacity right at the start of the generation.

Load times will be vastly quicker even without the next gen having SSDs anyway.

There is going to be a very fine line in their pricing though. They will have to sell at a bigger loss than previous generations unless it isn't top of the range hardware (I suspect neither the PS4 nor 720 will be pushing any boundaries, but the difference between the two consoles could be large)
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badvlad  +   1058d ago
ssd is not expensive look at samsung ssd 840. But i dont care about the harddrive its the ram memory that needs to be big. 8 is not enough i think
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Mikefizzled  +   1058d ago
Why would they sell gamers a storage with a considerably shorter life span and considerably more expensive? Or are you just trying to look smart talking about SSD's?
MikeMyers  +   1058d ago
Don't expect SSD in the new system. It's all about getting the most value at the lowest cost this coming generation and SSD drives still start at about $80. I do expect Microsoft to go back to providing a hard drive with every system, but it's highly unlikely to be a SSD. A faster disc drive will also help load times. They will probably do something like Nintendo is doing and that is offer different models at launch. Cloud services will also come into play.

I think that model shown looks rather cool. They should call it Xbox Durango.
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bintarok  +   1058d ago
Hmm..so this confirms the new Xbox coming out next year. The magnesium case looks kinda cool.

Hopefully the Orbis is coming out afterward, if not prior.

edit: the shape reminds me to AppleTV and the chrome frame makes it look like an obese iP4. The minimalist approach does the sexy look.
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Autodidactdystopia  +   1058d ago
ssds have becomewaymore reliable and cheap.

so those arguments dont really hold water.

it would be a great feature.

an ssd would improve everything from boot-time load-times browsing librarys install times literally everything depends on the hdd.
and an ssd is the answer to all that.

who knows if they would use them but it would cut load times in 1/4 for levels 4 times the size in data.

my argument here is that is IS a good idea, question is will they use it or not.
AAACE5  +   1058d ago
If online gameplay isnt free on this one ill pass.
Conzul  +   1058d ago
Both Sony and M$ should go with SSHDs. Nearly as fast as SSDs, same storage capacity as HDDs, and quite cheap.

For example, the Seagate Momentus XT($90 newegg). I have one in my PS3. It has sped everything up by ~25%-35%, just imagine if Sony or M$ specialized their systems with such a drive.
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wishingW3L  +   1058d ago
40, 60GB SSD are cheap and they would speed-up games like crazy, it would be like playing games from a cartridge. You can put an SSD on the PS3 but the system does't make use of all its capacity/features so it ends up being just as fast as a 5000RPM HDD. But the X720 will have newer motherboards with higher speed bus and connectivity and it will be able to take full advantage of it.
Kushan  +   1058d ago
SSDs aren't so unthinkable. Unlike tradditional Hard Drives, the same amount of storage in an SSD will get cheaper over time. HDD's hit a "limit" whereby the cost of components just can't get any cheaper. That's why both the 360 and PS3 have upgraded the HDD space sold over time, because it's actually cheaper to do so.

Now Flash memory is different, it always gets cheaper and cheaper so over time the same amount of space WILL cost less money. SSDs are just flash memory (with a controller) packed into a HDD-sized shell. It's not unthinkable that Microsoft may bundle say 16Gb of SSD-like flash memory to be used purely as a cach for games to load faster, faster than a normal HDD can allow.
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ajax17  +   1058d ago
7,200 rpm would be a pretty nice standard though...
Mounce  +   1058d ago
I would think that the best alternative is this.

SSD + Cloud.

SSD for important files that need loading but also dependable Cloud storage and server-based data storing methods.
SilentNegotiator  +   1058d ago
SSD is no where near being cheap or reliable enough. And one year probably won't bring them to that point. Not when downloading games, DLC, etc is becoming bigger and bigger.
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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   1058d ago
Seeing how wiiU is selling I am thinking that MS might want to have you buy exteranl HDD's.

Accept they will be over priced xbox branded 100GB HDD's for $99.
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dogdirt2000  +   1058d ago
The costs of SSD's are shooting down so fast at the moment. If we assume xmas time next year as the earliest release possibility for new consoles, a lot can happen in that time.

@Mikefizzled, regarding SSD life-span.

The life-span limits you mention are so out of reach for most people that they aren't worth worrying about. I mean, the Samsung 830 256gb hdd, for example, has a suggested write cycle limit of 3000 cycles. That's 256gb*3000 = 750 terabytes. That'd let you write over 200gb to it every day for 10 years before you should expect it to start faltering. That's in the worse case too.
Dovahkiin  +   1057d ago

Are you joking? 8gb of ram is all it will need for years to come. Skyrim on PC only allocates itself 2gb.

cannon8800  +   1057d ago
Lets just hope that everything will work out just fine for all the next gen consoles; hardware wise, software wise and sales wise.
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SITH  +   1057d ago
Funny, multiple websites are reporting next gen consoles will have SSD drives. And $600, you mean like the ps3 was when it launched high speed?

I have two ssd drives in my alienware they were not expensive.


You might want to find a new hobby next gen light weight. Or find a better job.
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GrumpyVeteran  +   1057d ago
Moron. You can buy a Sandisk Extreme 120GB SSD for less than $100 now. They are no longer expensive and soon will be reaching the point of being inexpensive.
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grailly  +   1058d ago
you can put it in yourself if you really want ssd
FlameBaitGod  +   1058d ago

What the hell are you talking about ? SSD have no moving parts which make them last longer than traditional HDD's. Educate yourself before posting pleas.
DoomeDx  +   1058d ago
Do your SSD Research..

You do know that SSD's dont have a very good lifespan.
If you use your Console (with SSD) for more then 4 years, you will notice some impressive slow downs.

SSD's are using Cells..The cells can run out and the SSD will die.

HDD's on the other hand..have the advantage of lifespan.

What do you prefer?

Speed, or lifespan? Besides the diffrence in gaming with an SSD is minimal. So SSD's would be useless for a gaming console.

Extra money, for a very tiny gain.
Kushan  +   1058d ago
SSDs are rated for the same lifespan of HDD's these days. Early SSDs were different, modern ones are much better at handling that sort of thing.
Conzul  +   1058d ago
The difference in gaming with an SSD is NOT minimal. That's just plain untrue.

Loading screens literally cease to exist, amongst other benefits.
vishant101  +   1058d ago
SSD's are built these days to replenish their cells. they now have higher life capacity but i would prefer a cross hybrid of HDD nd SSD where only certain game data is ported to SSD when u play that game.
atticus14  +   1058d ago
If they have plenty of Ram SSDs wont be needed really. But SSDs are due for some more price crashing, but vendors are still trying to get rid of old stock first.

With all the digital content they want to sell you however I think they will want a bigger hard drive. Unless they choose to gimp it at first with small sized SSDs so the fanboys will constantly upgrade hardware with each refresh.

I wouldn't mind small SSDs if they allowed external storage though, because it makes the speed of SSDs standard for all game developers to work with from day one on all systems
Syntax-Error  +   1058d ago
The developers already have the kits and so far I've read that AGAIN, the xbox kit is superior to the PS4 dev kit. PS4 is has done away with cell according to insiders. Article doesn't make sense especially when they said the speculate the name is going to be simply XBOX. The first one is just called XBOX, so how do you distinguish the two? If someone walked in a store and said can I get a Playstation, iPod, Nintendo,or Samsung Galaxy...the clerk is going to ask DUH, WHICH ONE?
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Ben_Grimm  +   1058d ago
Do you really think retailers sell the 1st xbox? C'mon now.
TAURUS-555  +   1058d ago
it looks nice and now at least its got bluray and not HD-DVD XD
hesido  +   1058d ago
Whatabout a hybrid system?

A small fraction of the harddisk could be ssd to reduce cost but provide performance, and only the active game would use it for streaming frequently used assets, and the SSD portion could be flushed after the game.

However I would like an 8x bluray drive instead of SSD. That'd be pretty good.
redrusty84  +   1058d ago
hi sith what's that SSD
BuLLDoG909  +   1057d ago
Why would we need ssd's ?.
I bet you believe them articles too saying next gen game production costs are going to multiply....

BF3 maxed on ultra settings @ 1080p on pc, we'll be lucky to get hardware capable of getting close to that level of performance, games that have already been made over a year ago needing no ssd or crazy high production costs, no need "next gen" either..
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badvlad  +   1058d ago
yay = )im getting 1 first day, as i did with the 360 hopefully it will be cheaper. I bought mine 05 for 470 euros premium.
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sandman224  +   1058d ago
I can't wait. I hope next year brings us the new Xbox.
Trago1337  +   1058d ago
Show me how Watch Dogs and Star Wars 1313 run on the thing, Then we can talk.
DiRtY  +   1058d ago
8 GM RAM is quite impressive. 4 times as much as the Wii U.

I played Halo 4, Gears of War 3, Alan Wake and Red Dead Redemption and thought they look great. Now imagine what devs could create on a console with these specs... Crazy shit.

I actually like the design, too.
Kushan  +   1058d ago
Assuming that's true, developer consoles tend to have 2x the RAM of the final console. So that would mean the 720/Durango/whatever will have 4GB of RAM.
That might change, of course, a similar thing was done with the 360 that was originally going to only have 256MB of RAM.
DiRtY  +   1058d ago
true, but these are rumors for the consumer version and not a devkit. So devkits might even have 16 GB RAM.

These are all rumors anyway.
Convas  +   1058d ago
Yeah, if this turns out to be true, I can't wait to see games like Halo 2 Anniversary, Halo 5, Alan Wake 2, and other running on it.

Not going to buy day one, but you can be sure I'm going to be following the PSNext and the NeXbox to a tee.
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BitbyDeath  +   1058d ago
And if that's 8GB to just games then it'll be 8 times Wii U.

Can't wait for nextgen
Npugz7  +   1058d ago
8GB of ram is more than I expected so that's good and that design isn't that bad either. Just curious to see what kind of GPU will be in it! Anyone have any ideas??
grahf  +   1058d ago
We know Halo 5 is in development for XBOX (can we drop the 720 now?), but I wonder how deep Activision & Microsoft are in bed together, and if COD 10 is going to be a launch title, assuming we see the console next holiday season. That would possibly drive millions in sales for both software & hardware in those 2 months, especially since Activision just raked in $500 million so far this week.
Lvl_up_gamer  +   1058d ago
ahem...you mean $500 million on Nov 13th alone.

They made $500 million in the first 24 hours.
Conzul  +   1058d ago
This isn't something to be proud of.
Lvl_up_gamer  +   1058d ago
It is if you are Activision.
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Pillsbury1  +   1058d ago
Ar glasses? Kinect 2.0? Get ready for a casual gaming future Xbox fanboys. Hope you like you're gears of war while flailing your arms.
grahf  +   1058d ago
I know they're vaporware now, but remember the Move & Eye(Toy) for the PS3? Yeah...

Also, I HATE being grammar police, and I can deal with shorthand & texting lingo, but I make an exception for YOUR & YOU'RE. If you don't know how to properly use each one, just use "YUR."

Pillsbury1  +   1058d ago
It's auto correct, no soup for you!
grahf  +   1058d ago
"Your" wouldn't autocorrect to "you're" in any situation, so either YOUR device is broken or YOU'RE misspelling it! =D
Dread  +   1058d ago

you're funny
Autodidactdystopia  +   1058d ago
i know its spelled that way im just TOO FUCKING lazy to move my hand to the apostrophe it leads to the inevitable missed key and i dont want to break my flow.

clunky ass BFE apostrophe key is clunky and in bum F&^K egypt on my keyboard and i dont want to reach for it

this is not a college paper this is an online forum and if youre gonna point it out it just says things about you that people say behind your back.

comment nazis are cool in billoriellys book.
MoreRPG  +   1058d ago
i like that design i hope the next xbox looks like that
Dlacy13g  +   1058d ago
Man talk about going on with a bang... I am sure these guys originally wanted to hold these stories for later in 2013 instead of now. I may need to get a hold of this mag and the PSM one and stash them away for collection sake.
AlphaJunk  +   1058d ago
Wow, I hope looks close to that- simple and unassuming, so it will look great anywhere I place it.
Felonycarclub8  +   1058d ago
It's funny how some people say that 8gb of ram is not enough, this have to be pc gamers. If developers for consoles can make the games they have made for Xbox360 and playstation 3 with the little ram they have I can only imagine what they will be able to do with 8gb available to them. Can't wait for the next gen consoles and games.
Norrison  +   1058d ago
8GB is more than enough, 16 would be overkill for consoles, since they aren't doing as many background processes as the PC.
dontbhatin  +   1057d ago
Well considering I am a PC gamer as well as a Console gamer, 8Gb of ram is quite fine. Thats my recommended amount of ram to have in your pc to get optimal performance while playing a game and doing lots of other things in the background. Its funny how people assume something that the dont know about. If anything, it is the mainstream console gamers that think that 8Gb of ram is not enough because they know nothing about ram.
Loki86  +   1058d ago
The amount of Ram does not matter nearly as much as the speed of the actually RAM. If any console had 4GB DDR3 @ 2000mhz I would be floored and everyone would notice a dramatic difference. 8GB @ 1466mhz will be significantly slower. So before getting excited, I'll just wait for final specs.
Loki86  +   1058d ago
I can see by the disagrees that there are alot of people who have no idea about hardware, this is 100% fact but w/e.
tubers  +   1057d ago
BS.. Rather put that budget into a decent increase in clockspeed of the cpu/gpu or a higher tier GPU (imagine 7850 to 7870)..

Ram speed is really only effective for those GPU chipsets that don't have discrete VRAM.

Barely any FPS/performance difference with a 1066Mhz Ram on the same setup than with a 1866Mhz.. and where not even talking about RAM timings yet!

Will only recommend faster RAM if the price difference is almost non existent.

Just google this..
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Loki86  +   1055d ago
If you understand discrete GPU's then you understand these won't be put in new console due to the price and size limitations. Which is why I said the speed of RAM will make a big difference in a new console.
Qrphe  +   1058d ago
That's how these type of communities are. Mostly everyone aren't experts in any of this but will regurgitate what they hear from other and discuss it as if they knew what they were talking about.
AlphaJunk  +   1057d ago
yeah, and I'm finding it hard to believe that final hardware will have 8gb of ram - it could which would be great but I'm thinking 4gb is going to be final spec.
And as you pointed out faster ram and little less would do more in the case of gaming.
iNcRiMiNaTi  +   1058d ago
That design kinda reminds me of the Hauppauge HD PVR 2

Urusernamesucks  +   1058d ago
wouldnt it be great if it was released with a halo2 aniversary.
NeoTribe  +   1057d ago
Yeah id love open up my next gen console and play a old outdated game. Sounds great.
TheMailman  +   1058d ago
"Unless something really dramatic changes, everything we reveal in our penultimate issue will be revealed long before E3 in June."

It looks like nextbox oficial reveal is just around the corner...
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DivineAssault  +   1058d ago
Its almost here.. I cant wait for nx gen beasts to arrive.. If MS puts out some great exclusives w normal controls as well as kinect 2.0 controls, i will be VERY tempted to buy one.. So far im only interested in Orbis because i know it will receive all multiplats as well as a healthy amount of exclusives n free features.. However im a gamer, so if 720 has some great software, ill be buying it too..

If they focus too much on media features/services & casual software, i wont even get it.. If u dont have xbl u cant do very much with their products.. No cross game chat, voice messages, multiplayer, etc so im not paying them unless theirs some great games i want that cant be found elsewhere...

Soon enough we will all know what to expect from nx gen Sony/MS machines & the anticipation is killing me.. Ive seen nintendos cards & they have an "OK" hand but im not buying until i see games i want, not gimmicks.. Same goes for the rest
DonMingos  +   1058d ago
Why isn't anybody mentioning the Blu-Ray part?
Gr81  +   1058d ago
Not ever been
An Xbox gamer but the design of the console looks slick. Will keep an eye on information being released. It does sound a bit bloated though. And I hope pachters idea of subscription based console isn't true.
BitbyDeath  +   1058d ago
Console looks pretty awesome.
level 360  +   1058d ago
They should have renamed that concept photo of the next Xbox to an iBox.
optimus  +   1058d ago
That's just an artist rendition of what THEY THINK it will look like which is probably the only thing that will be waaay off...in this generation (and previous) we've had consoles come down to "slim" status so i really don't see them going back to BIG for the next...i'm curious about the "innovative controller" though.
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SolDojo  +   1058d ago
mmmmmm 8 gb ram...... oh the games they will make for this thing.... it will be good
Omega Zues  +   1058d ago
Ok, now can we get more details on that CPU and what about the GPU? Its been shrouded in mystery long enough. Ram wise, 4GB or 8GB. I personally think any thing more than 4 would be over kill. Unless MS plans for a ton of programs in the background, 4GB would be more than enough. I mean just look at what 512MB gave us.

But at the same time, Ram is dirt cheap.
ambientFLIER  +   1057d ago
Dude...the Wii U is about to launch and we still have no clue about the CPU...lol.
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OniXRuleZ  +   1057d ago
pc's are more powerfullis true! but consoles dont need the same power to do good grafics. look to PS 3, and XBOX 360 whith games like uncharted, halo 4, GEARS 3, CRYSIS 2, they look very good for an hardware whith 6 years! try to do that in a pc whith 6 years!
iNFAMOUZ1  +   1057d ago
Halo 5 and xbox 3 = the only thing i'll ever need oh and a next gen gta :D
ambientFLIER  +   1057d ago
Can you imagine Forza/GT next gen?
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