Gameranx: "Hitman: Absolution fails to live up to its predecessors, says PC Gamer."
What? The 3 reviews I've read about about all gave it positive scores. 9,9 and 8.75. :O
Yea. Just never trust reviews. I've played many games over the years that all this "big-name" companies and magazines say are terrible and give them 5-6/10.Point being is that if you're a hitman fan then get it. I think its better without saving. I've never saved while in the middle of a mission anyways.
http://imgur.com/a/V9tNa The review scans are here... and from the looks of it. This guy seems like a big fan of Hitman Blood Money. What he says is Hitman lost its identity, your kills are limited by what the level designers give you rather than your own creativity, and most of the assassinations are slow mo events. Most of the game is linear, and offers few open areas to experiment. Also, there is no quicksave, so people who want to be perfectionists need to start the level over Im not sure what to think... he does seem like a fan of the franchise... Maybe I should get that HD collection before I try absolution then
@nimblest-assassin "What he says is Hitman lost its identity" Although i strongly dislike that most "big" titles are all gradually merging into a big generic grey genre, i stand by the point that reviewers SHOULD NOT effect a score by its previous iterations. I mean this in both ways, Hitman shouldn't be down scored because of comparisons to previous games, the same as i believe that COD titles should not receive 9's and 10's because COD4 was good and fear that you will be berated for not giving a score the masses want purely because it has links to the previous title which was good. All reviews and opinions are one and the same and are completely objective to the individual. Any REAL gaming journalist with even an ounce of integrity should be rating games on their own merits, by all means draw comparisons for people to get a feel for what to expect, but don't let that change the score that it would have received if it was a stand-alone game and not part of a well known franchise. This is a concept "gaming journalists" cannot grasp. they are reviewing a GAME not a FRANCHISE, therfore any changes to the overall series should not effect the actual games score.
@Faceless He also complained that the stealth mechanics are not as smooth as prior games, and overall it doesn't feel like Hitman Reviewers made the same criticism with AC3 And this guy does compare the game to others and tell what to expect, mostly being hitman blood money
@nimblest You're completely missing my point, however better or worse it is than Blood Money is irrelevant. He is reviewing Absolution, not the Hitman FRANCHISE. Score the mechanics for what they actually are, don't use previous titles as a put down. For talking sake, say this is a new IP's game and the mechaincs are due a 7 or 8 out of ten, is it fair that the same game under a different franchise should be treated more harshly and given a 6 because of the name on the box? Again, he is reviewing the GAME not the FRANCHISE. There's a massive difference. To change a score it realistically deserved, be it higher or lower, because of the name on the box is unfair and a massive journalistic double standard. Edit: Just for reference, any disagrees you may or may not get, i won't disagree you, you're entitle to speak your mind just as much as i am, it's good to have a mature debate with a reasonable user for a change =)
@Faceless But the thing is there are those people who want a true Hitman game. Same critisism was made for Dead Space and Resident Evil Im completely fresh to the franchise, so I know nothing about it... but I think in some regard he has a point, because if a game doesn't meet up with the reputation of previous games there will be disappointment I think gameplay wise, AC3 is the best one Ubisoft created. Some people think the game is a disappointment... in the end its opinions, and everyone has a different one As long as you have something reasonable to complain about
I will get Hitman Absolution no matter what.. i waited for a hitman game enough time.. and so far what I saw and heard about it, Im sure, I will love it!
@Faceless - 'Score the mechanics for what they actually are, don't use previous titles as a put down.' I don't get your logic, so if a game is worse than another in the same series it should not be critiqued for its sloppyness? (Not meaning to put words in your mouth but that was my understanding, please clarify if incorrect) Isn't it better that a dev know of the issues so that it may be fixed either via a patch or future title?
@ TheFaceless You're looking at it the wrong way. Yes people need to look at the title on it's own merits, but people ALSO want to know how it is compared to previous titles. I personally loved Lost Planet 2, hated Lost Planet. Thought Spelunker (NES) was a broken mess, couldn't find a flaw in the PS3 version. Can't bring myself to finish Killzone 1, would love another game like Killzone 2. Loved the story of Bioshock, wish Bioshock 2 didn't exist. If you've played a lot of video games, then you're sure to find you don't love every title in the series or maybe you enjoyed the "different" one. This is okay and why reviewers bring it up. Part of it's own merits is in fact living up to previous titles. Developers don't go into a sequel expecting to make a completely different title, they go in fixing and improving things they didn't in the previous one. So much of the game is about matching and exceeding expectations that you have to factor it in. With this being said I don't think it should have an absurdly large impact on the score like we've seen, but I do think failing to achieve the same / better experience is something to take points off (.5 - 2 depending on how bad).
Nimblest Assassin is completely correct. To review a game objectively, you must judge it purely by its own merit. This talk about "franchise reviewing" is... missing the point. If game A in a franchise has better mechanics than game B in a franchise, then game A should be judged better than game B--because of the mechanics, not because of the franchise. I'm not a fan of hitman, but I can say that "It doesn't feel like a Hitman game" is not a valid criticism. The general rule of thumb is, if you change the name of the review to -anything- else, does the review still make sense? So, in this case, we have the comment "Hitman Absolution does not feel like a Hitman game." So, replace the title to get, "Rainbow Kerfufflepuff does not feel like a Hitman game." Does that sound like a valid point? Of course not--because it's not. When we say that games should be reviewed objectively, we mean that applies to EVERY game EVER. In a franchise, that means every entry from first to last. That's the only way to objectively review anything, and it's sadly a fact lost on most "game journalists," mostly because there's no such thing.
"For talking sake, say this is a new IP's game and the mechaincs are due a 7 or 8 out of ten, is it fair that the same game under a different franchise should be treated more harshly and given a 6 because of the name on the box?" In some cases, a new IP might be judged less harshly because it is new, and some of the mechanics might require some polishing. For example, a game with decent animations will get a decent score. If, however, that game happens to be a sequel to Uncharted or AssassinsCreed, then the animations will get a poor score. Why? Because it falls below expectations. It has to raise the bar set by its predecessors, or at least match it, otherwise what is its reason for existence?
I think judging a game by its previous installments is fair. It's just like a movie. If I'm huge Matrix or Transformers fan, I'm going to be crazy upset if the newest movie in the franchise is a comedy / musical, whether is a good movie or not. Fans of the franchise do have certain expectations. If I'm playing Uncharted / Tomb Raider, and Drake sucks at climbing all of a sudden or Lara can't flip in the new game or fire while moving, I'd be like what the-?! Unless they make the game a prequel with the treasure hunters just starting out learning the ropes, it may be disappointing for fans of the franchises, no matter how mechanically great or fun the game is. A gimp Drake would somehow dull the experience.
If the reviewer wanted to cater to everyone, they could always say something along the lines of: "Hitman Absolution is a good game in it's own regard, but compared to previous titles; it falls short" Something like that. The score would have to disregard the series though.
These guys gave Dragon Age 2 94. Any credibility they had flew out the window ages ago.
I don't care about scores so much as the content of the review, and after reading it, this guy does make some good points. Absolution looks like it will probably be a good game, but not necessarily a good Hitman game. If the level design and save system is as restrictive as described here, that's a bit unfortunate.
Here's the deal: the guy had a crap PC. Ran the game at 15 FPS when you will have tons of people being able to run it at 60 FPS. When your PC sucks of course the game isn't going to process AI properly, the levels will look like crap, and with the settings too high with extra bloom (which he complained about) the FPS will tank even more. I'd suggest not reading PC reviews for this reason, and at least stick to console reviews. That way you'll get at least a standardized idea of the performance (if you read Digital Foundry that is) where they show you how the PC version stacks up to the consoles, and what settings are recommended.
@TheFaceless Never review anything. Ever. If you really think that a sequel to a game cannot be compared to it's predecessor well then reviews are something you should never get into it. The predecessor is what you're supposed to compare it to first. If it's somehow worse than the previous iteration, well then you automatically get off several points (score-wise). @KnowyourStuff he said he even used three different PCs that ran skyrim properly and they all had performance issues. I think no one should read your comments for this reason.
I agree with everyone putting down Faceless...his argument makes no sense. "Don't judge the franchise judge the game." What is this nonsense. When they put the name "Hitman," In the title and used the character model of 47 they were ADDING to the franchise so they should be in all intents and purposes be graded by the franchise quality. I don't want my Halo 4 or say Halo 5 all of a sudden in the middle of the campaign go Dance Dance Revolution and it won't because people expect a certain familiarity with the name "HALO." I agree with the reviewer...the game is garbage. I am basing it on it's FRANCHISE pedigree and this isn't Hitman not even on purist mode. Buy it if you want but don't act like it's any better than Silent Hill:Downpour
I don't take pc gamer reviews serious. They gave DA2 a higher score than the witcher 2.
Really? That's all the proof I need.
They did what...? Well... nothing to see here.
*facepalm* I find this so stupid when people go "oh this game got higher than this game, these guys are not credible" 1) A review is an opinion. 2) Both reviews were written by different people 3)5 point difference witcher got 89, dragon age got 94.. big whup 4)You are supposed to READ the review, in order to understand the score... not the other way around I wish reviewers would get rid of scores and just do a buy, rent or pass system That way people will stop bitching about a 5 point difference based on the reviews of 2 different people
DA2 higher than The Witcher? What the Farcry?
While the review may be off for DA2, it was one review. I've subscribed to PC gamer for many years. As far back the demo disks being on floppy disk. Aside from DA2, there hasn't been any review that I would say was way off the mark. Basing their credibility on ONE review is absurd.
I was considering to buy this for PC, I've never played a game in the franchise, but Absolution looks really good... maybe consoles if I see a few more reviews. Also... can someone explain the stripper nuns?
The Nuns are like some sort of killer squad out for 47, think The Deadly viper crew in Kill Bill. Why they are nuns I have no idea, I guess it answers it in the game. Its probably a good thing you have never played a game in this series so you'll go in fresh, without any preconceived notion of what its supposed to play like.
Get the PC version, the performance part is BS, it runs at over 60fps on my PC and it's not a SLI monster. It's an early build tho
Even the guys who downloaded it from torrents said its so awesome their gonna buy it original just to support the developer for their effort! Now thats saying something
But 62/100 is also positive - as is 5/100...
For a second, I thought that said "9.9". I was going to lose it. Those reviews are probably based off the console version, which runs well based off my experience at Comic Con. This review specifies it's the PC version that sucks
Reviews are opinions, they dont mean that you as a gamer wont like them. It just means that the reviewer didnt.
this was the PC version reviewed and it looks like another CRAPPY console port to PC! I'm sure the Console version is fine and will provide consolers lots of "Console Game" type of fun but for PC Gamers Hitman Absolution is CRAP! Sure PC Gamers play "Console Games" on their PC's but many of them like Hitman Absolution are crappy ports and not done correctly like Alan Wake or Deus Ex: Human Revolution! The upcoming Thief 4 is more of my type of game for my PC than Hitman:Absolution anyway!!!
Well iam deffo buying it so
I'm sure anyone who like Hitman will buy it. I myself am not a fan, but the review read like he was sulking, almost as if he was on a 'man-period'. Read really bitchy to me. A lot of PC reviewers hate it when their games are more 'consolised', and can't keep their bias out of their reviews.
Legitimate criticisms now count as bias and should be left out? Right...
@iamgoatman "A passable stealth game, but one that **betrays** almost everything that, until now, has made Hitman great." Hmmm, I dunno. Sounds like it was pretty bias IMO. Like a butt hurt ex fan. Reviewers are entitled to their opinion, but betray is such a strong word, especially considering you should be judging the game on its merits, not how it wasn't how you dreamt it should be. Just my 2 cents, as I said, I have never playede a Hitman game before, but the review sounded like a toddler chucking a tantrum becuase there was no banana flavour milk left.
We Hope it doesnt fail
"overuse of bloom, poor story, small levels, pointless objectives (e.g. open a door), no saves, bad AI." "the game actively encourages you to kill guards and sentries unlike previous Hitman games, which emphasized stealth over all else. Not that it matters—as many of the assassinations you perform are pre-determined cutscenes in which Agent 47 fails to kill his target" "the PC port of the game was done so poorly that the game even tells you to "gently" press your mouse button, as if it were the same as an X360 controller. In addition, the performance of the game was sub-par on PC Gamer's machines, running at a sluggish 15~ FPS." Wow... this doesn't sound like Hitman at all. I was really looking forward to it, but I'll have to pass. I don't play sloppily-developed games.
We can actually read that for ourselves, we don't need you to copy and paste it.
If he take the citation out, his post don't make much sense, so you failed to see the bigger picture... next time you're going to attack someone, try to be smart. We don't look down on smart trolls as much as the illiterate ones.
I was summarizing it for anyone who just wanted the important parts, and illustrating my point, clearly it wasn't meant for you. Next time just mind your business and move along.
It's actually much appreciated. Takes time from having to go out of my way to click the link.
Why is it this gen developers take classic old franchises and try to change them so they're not like the franchise we fell in love with Hitman, GTA4, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Max Payne 3, DMC etc
I personally agree with you on this. If they want to make such drastic changes to the core gameplay/atmosphere of a series they should just make it a new IP altogether imho. I do know the reason why they don't make it a new IP though, because they want the sales based off the established name.
Max Payne 3 was one amazing game. Only thing I can see from what is said in this article is the overused bloom. It kinda looks like it. Nevertheless Agent 47 can never fail... ever.
@narked Max Payne 3 was good but it was just a typical third person shooter with bullettime. It was NOTHING like a Max Payne game people don't really say anything because it was Rockstar who made it. Any developer made it and people would be truthful about it. Graphics/AI/Animation wise it was good but everything else, especialy character development and storywise it failed, it felt like one step back for the franchise. I honestly think it was a new IP but they turned it into Max Payne once they knew they could develop the sequel, I honestly don't see why they set it in Brazil. Overall it just felt like Man on Fire: The Video Game.
Red Faction: Armageddon
It's because they have new ideas that they want to implement, but new IP's are risky. So they shoehorn these ideas into their existing franchises. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. For the perfect example of both take a look at the Red Faction franchise. Red Faction: Guerrilla was a fantastic game, it was a TPS unlike the originals, but it was still very much a Red Faction Game just on a much grander scale. Red Faction: Armageddon on the other hand threw out everything that made Guerrilla so great, and became a mediocre linear TPS instead.
that's what happens when something you like goes mainstream. take out the niche, make it dumbed down for casuals. it sucks.
For the same reason we write with pen & paper and not stone tablets.
Whoa, didn't expect to see this... I was skipping games for Hitman! If any of these comments have truth behind them; I'll be very disappointed. Other reviews have been overwhelmingly positive.
What I kind of like with this review is they review it based on past Hitman games, while other reviews (same with any franchise) don't take the older games into account If they don't live up to the old games then reviews should say something...I mean if there so differnt from the franchise we fell in love with then they should of just made a new IP at the end of the day.
I'm hoping these other reviews are from credible publications, and not the random-ass blogs we see on the front page here. I will be beyond dissappointed if this game is a letdown.
Im not trying to be offensive or anything but whats the difference where it comes from? Isnt it all just peoples opinions at the end of the day? Unless you mean the sites who just give poor scores to get attention, then i agree and just ignore me if thats the case.
The review itselft is from a magazine, this site is just reposting it.
Wow. A shame, but not hard to believe these days. From the previews and footage it does looks like they're trying to shake up the Hitman series with this iteration. Sometimes that causes devs to lose focus completely. Without good AI and a sense of accomplishment in the end after each assassination, then what's the point of the game at all? Just another redundant action game.
I'm still holding out. I have faith. There are WAY too many previews and hands-on articles about how amazing Absolution was. More specifically, many previews confirmed that the "feel" of the original games have not been lost in Absolution - despite the fear that this would simply become a churn/burn action game. There have also been a number of very positive reports from hands-on players attending E3. A few things I noticed that seem a bit off: 1. The source itself could be questioned, especially considering this review compared to the others (8's and 9's out of 10) 2. The reviewer claims 15 FPS... ? Come on, IO would never release Absolution at 15 FPS because it's a bad "console port"... you need to invest in some new video cards! The consoles can't run the game at a solid 45 FPS when you are blowing up gas stations, if a well equipped PC can only run it at 15 FPS. Finally, I'm not sure why a review should take into consideration the previous versions of the game. That makes no sense to me. The game is the game. Half Life 1 was great and Half Life 2 was great... they stand alone.
I love how I get a "Disagree"... for criticizing a "review" that is being paraphrased. None of us have actually read the review being reported on, I'm questioning the article itself based on the source/details. There really isn't much to disagree with. If* this review is accurate, I will personally buy PC Gamer a gaming rig that is sufficient for running games from 2008+
Are you having a conversation with yourself?
Even other hitmans games was not 10/10 games hitman series is special !
This will be my first Hitman game
Whenever I see reviews like this it makes me wonder whether the reviewer only chose such an different view to increase traffic to their site. Or maybe it's more of a hipster response, doing the opposite of everyone else. Cause it's too mainstream.
The only problem is it's from a magazine, this website has just reposted it. There's no way to know if it's true though unless you read PC Gamer.
This review doesn't matter to me since I won't be playing on PC anyways... IMO, Hitman will always play better on a console.
Don't go full retard, it runs better on my PC than his, and I'm not super high end, it costed me 900$. PC's will always play better than console sorry, 60 fps rock solid and 1080p+ res. How is 720p- res and sluggish 30 fps are better than that? Consoles are for exclusives only IMO, and PCs for multiplats and PC exclusives. Also Hitman's roots are ON PC
plays better with a gamepad =/= plays better on a console. games run better on PC, and most multiplatform games these days come with full gamepad support if you prefer to play them that way.
When i first seen the title i thought "Ah its just some guys opinion, this is Hitman, i know im gonna love it so nothing to worry about". But this guy sounds like a genuine fan and i agree with the aspects of the game he is disappointed with. "The review pans the game for its art style and overuse of bloom, poor story, small levels, pointless objectives (e.g. open a door), no saves, bad AI. The review also points out that the game actively encourages you to kill guards and sentries unlike previous Hitman games, which emphasized stealth over all else. Not that it matters—as many of the assassinations you perform are pre-determined cutscenes in which Agent 47 fails to kill his target, rendering all of your work pointless." Also add in the lack of an inventory you have to plan with at the beginning of each level and the rest of what i read on the scans and it's sounding like Hitman has lost its heart and that i may be disappointed when i get this game. God Damn it. Why are games feeling less like games nowadays and instead just one long interactive cut scene?
read the ccomments on the source cause a lot of ppl that have played the game are calling BS on a lot of stuff this review has to say.