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Did the Wii U force Sony to cut how much power the PS4 will have?

By Furious Francis, owner & editor-in-chief

The PlayStation 4 dev kits are currently on their way to developers according to a report by VG247. Based on what was reported, the PS4 ‘seems’ be a very powerful console, well under high-end PC’s, that will be more affordable than the PS3 was at launch. Users who are a lot more tech savvy than I am also noted that with the specs that were released in the report, the PS4 will not have the same leap in graphics we saw from the PS2 to the PS3. More interestingly it ‘seems’ the PS4 will not be vastly superior graphically, to the Wii U. Sony is known for pushing high-end graphics, but it looks like Sony is more worried about optimization, ease of development, and gameplay fluidity this time around. We also know Sony’s game division has posting multi-million dollar losses lately. So This has me wondering if the Wii U’s $299-$350 price point, forced Sony to hold back a bit on the PS4′s graphics to stay competitive?

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hennessey861492d ago

Nintendo is probably the only console maker who could get away with releasing an under powered console

Theyellowflash301492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

I don't think the console is under powered relative to the economy right now. The system is being sold at a loss and there is some impressive tech inside the Wii U. Being able to run games at 720p 60 FPS on the TV and the Gamepad with virtually no Lag is impressive.

It takes a lot of power to do that. Plus the system has plenty of Ram and the games already look as good as 8th generation Xbox 360 and PS3 games.

The System will have better graphics as we go along its life cycle. Wait till the next Zelda game comes out!

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herbs1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

You can tell this article is pissing off a lot of Sony fans lol. It's quite obvious that the PS4 will not be the overpriced and overly complex machine that the PS3 was when it depute. Sony cannot afford to take such huge losses again, it's that simple its business. The PS4 will still be an awesome machine with excellent exclusives but I am certain that Nintendo is going to repeat its success but this time without the huge graphical gap, especially because it will have a large library by the time it's competitors come out, much like the PS2 did back in the day.

Jadedz1492d ago

True.

Plus at the price it's going for ($299 Basic 8 GB model / $350 Deluxe 32 GB model), it's still a little steep for the average consumer.

MikeMyers1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

The Wii U is not the reason why the PS4 may or not be really powerful. The reality is the PS3 when launched cost a lot of money to manufacture. I'm pretty confident that the PS4 (or whatever it's called) will not be a product that cost well over $700 to make. Sony is going through a major restructuring phase and still has to worry about the yen and the economy.

Ken Kutaragi was the main proponent for why the PS3 exceeded budgets. However I do expect the next system to be quite powerful but they won't allow it to bleed them money and price it too high for the average consumer.

The main thing is having enough RAM and making the system by design much easier for developers.

bitboi1492d ago

unfortunately a majority of console gamers equate next gen as meaning more powerful graphics. Never mind any of the other new things introduced with a console. If they don't see graphics above and beyond what their seeing now. It isn't next generation...:/

Getowned1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

"it looks like Sony is more worried about optimization, ease of development, and gameplay fluidity this time around."

That sounds great to me, I'm tired of all the bugs in some games because devs find it difficult. I do admit I was hoping the PS4 would be stronger graphics department, but I am content with its currently reported (rumored) specs. Sony making the console affordable is a lot more important than giving it super high tech graphics. A lot of you might not know the vary high cost of some of the more powerful graphics cards. Its still going to look and run better than games on current gen consoles, it may not be the 50x than PS3 better super computer that we wanted, but our games will look better and run a lot more smoothly in full 1080p 60fps ;). I really hope the PS4 will have the rumored 4gb of ram, if so it's going to be pure awesomeness. Bigger, Better, Prettier games on the PS4 :P, fornow everything is just a rumor.

AsimLeonheart1492d ago

After reading the alleged specs I thought that Orbis was perfectly fine. Why doe sthis guy think it is "underpowered"? The Orbis has an XFIRE setup and the APU alone is capable of running current gen games at smooth framerates. Just search for some reviews and benchmarks for A10 APUs. The GPU is mentioned separately when tlaking about the first development kit. Plus we have at least 8GB RAM unlike 2GB for WiiU. When all powers combined we have...Captain Planet!! Um... I mean a very powerful Orbis. (just got reminded of Captain Planet when thinking about combining powers.) :-)

R6ex1492d ago

Between a weak PS4 and my current high-spec PC, I don't see a reason to go back to console.

darthv721492d ago

makes no sense. Considering there is no scale to gauge its power, how can it be determined the wii-u is "underpowered"?

It represents a significant leap as compared to the wii. It surpasses the current offerings by MS and sony. It is offering to the devs more freedom with more memory to work with and a larger disc format. How is that underpowered when there isnt another "console" on the market that equals or exceeds that?

Those using PC's as a gauge are using it the wrong way. The modular nature of a PC allows for the expansion of future hardware. That convenience comes at a much higher price than that of the closed nature of a console.

No doubt the next xbox and PS will be more than their current systems when it comes to specs. But they will not be revolutionary in terms of those specs. If anything we will see a much greater expansion of the amount of memory available. The (finally) adoption of a higher capacity format that will either be unified or custom but we wont be going back to compressed nature of the DVD9.

What will likely happen is the current fidelity we see will be improved by way of the finer details we dont pay attention to. CPU/GPU performance will get a bump but the bigger picture will be about memory and convergence of features to really make these platforms the go to for everything.

ABizzel11492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

LMFAO, my comment was used. I feel like a celebrity (maybe I should be an analyst or marketing consultant).

Anywho, as I said the PS4 will be slightly better than the Wii U if they ONLY USE THE A10 APU and it's dedicated GPU. They could easily make that console sell for $300 and break even day 1 by fall 2013

PS4

A10 APU
4GB RAM
500GB HDD

$299

That being said the rumor of having 8GB - 16GB screams the PS4 will be running Xfire with something else, and the most likely thing would be a dedicated GPU. Their best bets for GPU's are:

1. HD 7870 (The PS4 you want)
2. HD 6970
3. HD 6950
4. HD 7850
5. HD 6870 (Might struggle with 3D aspect if running 1080p @ 60fps)

Those GPU's should be enough to reach their goal of 1080p @ 60fps + 3D, while also offering a great blend of price to performance ratio for what Sony needs and is trying to spend. By Holiday 2013 they should all be in the $100 - $199 price range (since the HD 8000's series will likely be out by then).

It's possible to come up with a $400 PS4 ($400 is the magic number) with one of those GPU thrown in with the rumored specs. but the better the GPU the greater the loss Sony will take on Day 1, so it's a balance.

kikizoo1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

"More interestingly it ‘seems’ the PS4 will not be vastly superior graphically, to the Wii U."

Lol, since wii u is on par with ps3...just use your brain.

"Sony cannot afford to take such huge losses again, it's that simple its business"

don't talk like economist, you don't know anything about $$$ they are making with ps3 (they are selling more than competition since years, are selling games, bluray, etc, it's just huge : sony is loosing money with others departments, and ost of all a too strong yen)

"Its all about the games sir, its all about the games. I believe that is true no matter which console it is."

it should be, but if you were 100% right, sony will be destroying microsoft and nintendo since 2008..

**people are saying bulcraps about last gens, saturn was not more powerfull than ps1, and the gap between ps1§n64, or ps2/gamecube (who came late at the party ! ps2 was the most powerfull console 2,3 years on the market) are not on the same scale than wii/ps3 or wii u/ps4 (probably)

3-4-51492d ago

Not sure how Sony Fans can be upset.

PS3 was the first time they ever had a console with superior graphics to the competition.

PS fans: All those old games you love, all the old classics and good memories were on consoles that were inferior to the competition in terms of graphical capabilities, yet they sold the most, allowing you to get a flood of awesome games for over a decade.

^ I dare you to complain without sounding ignorant.

Autodidactdystopia1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

Misconceptions everywhere...

a 7660 while underpowered by todays pc standards would be MORE than enough on dedicated/static hardware.

the performance of this card Is more than sufficient to push 1080p 30 3d.
for less graphically intense apps 1080p60 3d would be possible

if coulpled with an

"ABizzel1"
1. HD 7870 (The PS4 you want) (OVERKILL)
2. HD 6970 (OVERKILL)
3. HD 6950 (OVERKILL)
4. HD 7850 (OVERKILL)
5. HD 6870 (WILL NOT STRUGGLE with 3D aspect if running 1080p @ 60fps (STILL-OVERKILL)

a system with the a10 7660 coupled with the 7670 dedicated which is dirt cheap would push VERY EASILY 1080p 60 3D on static hardware. both of these are enormously powerful gpu's on their own right and are more than enough to push next generation games without windows in the way of performance.

just trust me i know my shit.

subtenko1492d ago

Say what.. Yea its impressive with whoever first discovered the technological feat. of 720p and stuff but this is nothing new.. PS3 has been doing this and it virtually has no lag with most of its exclusives (LBP started out rough with lag)

Nintendo knows people are gonna buy their stuff, they need to stop holding back at least for once...try to be on level with the current gen (No..not this gen..ps4 and nextbox isnt out yet)

bangshi1492d ago

I wish people would stop repeating this lag free things with the Game Pad.

They are not saying it is lag free in terms of the display - they are saying that transferring data from the console to the Game Pad is done so with zero lag.

Totally different things.

And hardly anything groundbreaking. It was quite an Apple-esque marketing spin they played with that one.

vulcanproject1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

Errr for all the people who claim to know what they are saying....

For proper TRUE stereoscopic 3D to run at 60 frames a second you essentially have to render at 120 frames a second. One different frame for each eye.

If you think that you are going to get a visual improvement over the existing generation, 1080p, 3D AND 60 frames a second from anything less than a Radeon 7970 class GPU then you are dreaming.

You'll get 30FPS with a decent improvement and stereoscopic 3D, but not really more from even a 7870.

Personally I don't think that Sony will actually be worried about supporting 3D games as standard and just leave it up to developers again.

They are much more likely to try and make 1080p standard and leave it at that. None of these companies are gonna force 3D on devs in the current climate and they certainly aren't going to tell them they MUST make 60FPS games either.

Developers are not gonna be too excited about busting the budget creating a 3D mode and 60FPS just because Sony or Microsoft et al say so.

Dee_911491d ago

ahhh ... The one thing I hate about new consoles the incredible amount of speculation prior to release..
how about you all stfu and wait till it come out like a normal human being lol

juggulator1491d ago (Edited 1491d ago )

To say that the PS4 won't ba as powerful, if not more powerful that the WiiU is absurd. Lets be real, with 10million articals all but confirming an APU made by AMD, 4-8 gigs of RAM, and a DX11 capable graphics card, anyone with a brain would know that PS4 games will absolutely be able to rival the WiiU and will look tons better than current gen games. Believe me,certain developers will make sure of that.

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Autodidactdystopia1491d ago

@vulcan project/

I do ABSOLUTELY know what im talking about.

7970 is once again overkill.

I understand 192060 is hard to do.

Windows takes about 20% of my communicability to amd or nvidia core arrhythmetic.
consoles have the ability to connect directly and interchangeably between hw and sw.

as well as hardware optimisation by those much more talented than me, equates to plenty of power.

if todays pcs are to be the guage i expect consoles to rival or best pc capabilites in both shader and geometric performance within the 1sr year of release.

not for more than a 6 month period nevertheless stil monstrous and highly optimisable and , programmable.

once again i state 1080P 60 3d will be achievable on consoles within the rumored specifications and rumored lifecycle.

vulcanproject1491d ago (Edited 1491d ago )

7970 isn't overkill, otherwise it wouldn't exist.

There is NO SUCH THING as graphical overkill if you want to make modern games. This is a fairly obvious statement, because I would quite happily bet you a trillion dollars that LESS than 5 years after the consoles are built, console devs will say that they could do with more RAM, or more GPU performance. You can never have enough power when it comes to an industry that still presses onwards relentlessly with more and more demands for improved performance and critically, performance per watt.

PC's overheads are well known, but exagerrated when a game is actually well coded if you think they are as much as 20 percent. On a good port they are clearly less.

Besides this, even if it WERE always 20 percent, a 7870 plainly cannot manage 90FPS @ 1080p with filters (i.e 25 percent less than 120FPS) on most modern demanding DX11 titles that boast significant visual improvements over the console counterparts.

In fact a 7970 just about manages it, although in some cases even it falls short.

It is pure waffle that a 7870 will do 1080p/60 and stereoscopic 3D on a DX11 title that improves over the console assets. I should know this, considering I have been gaming on PC for well over a decade and also now gaming on PC in 3D for over 2 years.

It'll manage 30-40FPS when 3D is on, but 60 is well out of reach of a 7870 on like Batman AC DX11, Metro 2033 DX11, Battlefield 3 DX11, you name it. Overhead or not.

These games are also going to be years old by the time the new consoles arrive and no longer at the cutting edge of software engines. Games in the future are gonna use and require more performance, not less. Again, not exactly rocket science.

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Man-E-Faces1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

The PlayStation 1,2 were the weakest compared to their competitors Dreamcast,GameCube,Xbox and beat those systems to a pulp in both games available and market share, it was Nintendo who was on the verge of falling off a cliff until they released for the first time a cheap console the Wii, so how can Nintendo be the one capable of selling a cheap console when they only did it once? Maybe Sony feels it's sweet spot is in the middle not low end like the Wii U and not expensive to where their taking years of losses on the system like the PS3. Sony wants to make a profit on the PS4 in 1, max 2 years on the market, is that so wrong of them? I believe with the then expensive at launch Blu-ray drive not being relevant any longer Sony is in a WAY better position with PS4 than with PS3.

StrawHatPatriot1492d ago

The N64 and Saturn beat the PlayStation 1, (along with the DreamCast, I just thought you mention consoles in the same generation), and the Gamecube was the cheapest of its competitors, at $199 at release, $99 like only 2 years later.

Realplaya1492d ago

The Wii U on the low end? Is it because the WiiU hasn't produced Avatar typ graffics?
The WiiU is not cheap by any means anytime a company sales at a loss it's because the price of the unit is more than what were paying as a consumer. The WIIU is a beast and when the next game from companys like Retro come out come back and say that.

deafdani1492d ago

The Dreamcast was weaker than the PS2, actually.

And as far as I know, Nintendo has never sold their consoles at ridiculously higher prices than their competition, they've always made their prices competitive. Only exception that comes to mind was the 3DS when it launched at $250, and look how it worked out for Nintendo, slashing the price dramatically a few months later.

So yeah, Nintendo actually has a reputation of selling their hardware at sensible prices. The Wii happened to show the biggest price gap when compared to its competitors, that's all, but all Nintendo consoles historically were sold at decent prices, consoles and especially handhelds.

ChickeyCantor1492d ago

Sony fans will buy the sony brand anyways. Underpowered or not. They will justified it like any other fanboy.

Imalwaysright1492d ago

Yes because god forbid that someone would buy a PS4 for its games.

ChickeyCantor1492d ago

@imalwaysright,

I wasn't bashing Sony fans. It just happens. LOL you guys are sensitive.

Jadedz1492d ago

You'd think that, but the way people have been denouncing the Wii U (and let's not forget about the Wii) - your sentiment is always as mutual.

UnwanteDreamz1492d ago

@sidar

Then english isnt your first language. Your comment equates Sony fans to fanboys.

ONTOPIC
Toyota, and Honda dont make the fastest cars but millions buy them. Is it fanboyism? Consumers have choices and only children feel the need to justify their purchases.

nunley331492d ago

And MS fans will buy the XBOX brand anyways, under powered or not. They will justify it by pointing to their Halo or Forza and a xbl app which is fine. I will get one eventually but not at launch, their hardware has been to shoddy to trust it on day 1. I will get the PS4 day 1 though and Wii U when zelda and metroid come for it.

tiffac0081492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

Its all about the games sir, its all about the games. I believe that is true no matter which console it is.

waltercross1492d ago

@sidar

I Usually buy Sony products because of the Quality and Tech. so yup I'm buying the PS4. :)

ThanatosDMC1492d ago

What's wrong with reliability and games?

moparful991492d ago

I"ve already started putting money aside for my next gen console.. I am watiting for both Sony and Microsoft to release their specs and details so I can make my decision. But based on this generation of consoles I am heavily favoring the ps4 for reliability, exclusives, and because I have over 6 years worth of PSN experience that I want to carry over :P

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Cam9771492d ago

As said perfectly by -NosTalgia-, the Ps1 and Ps2 were underpowered compared to their competition, yet, sales wise - they soared. I really don't think graphics matter next gen; if they stay at an Ac3 level then everything will be fine. This is because next gen, I see the next big advancement in ram, graphics are just a perk.

mcstorm1492d ago

I agree with what you are saying. Ive been a gamer since the late 80s and consoles have never sold because of how powerful they are its always been because of tbe games.

Example look at the best selling games of this gen have not been the best looking.

Look at the ps1 and ps2 they were not as powerful as the there consoles around them but out sold them. The biggest selling point believe it or not is 3rd party games now exclusive games.

This is why nintendo lost alot of the market in the last 2 gans and hadto cchange there approach with the wii as they knew they did not have 3rd party support like sony did and microsoft this gen put alot of money into getting 3rd party support from sony.

This time round the market is different to the ps1 and 2 gen because there are now 2 big market to go for. The core and none core. Nintendo know they managed to get the none core last gen and by letting the add ons for the wii work with the wiiu this should help alot of the none core market upgrade to the wiiu if sonly right but with games like zombieu call of duty ect moving over to support the wiiu it will be a way for nintendo to try and get some of thr core from nintendo.

Microsoft now have kinect that has opened there console to the none core with some big none core games in dance central kinect sports this will help ms again at the start of next gen as they are known as a allround console just like sony.

Sony already have big name games in gt uc and lbp and they are known as a allround company too but therr failing this gen was the price of everything they sold and advertising there products.

If sony can get a next gen move bundled into there console and it all for a price range matching the wiiu and next xbox i see next gen being even closer between sony nintendo and microsoft.

ALLWRONG1492d ago

So it's all about sales now? This entire gen Sony guys have been saying "sales don't sequel quality" now you all flip flop when you hear the PS4 specs maybe weak so Sony can make more $.

moparful991492d ago

Graphics are just a bullet point in fanboy arguments.. Granted I love beautiful graphics but once you've become ingrossed in a game the last thing you notice is pretty graphics.. Its all about story, detail, mechanics etc.. I fully expect ps4 games to be beautiful in terms of graphics but what I am hoping Sony focuses on is from more of a technical standpoint.. More RAM to run the OS and in game PSN functioality, Improve PSN (even though its great as is), and make the hardware not as quirky to work with so developers can code easier. Now I'm not saying dumb down the tech to shut up the whiners but make it so devs want to make it the lead platform to develop on so there's no more of this "x game is better on the 360 then on the PS3" nonsense... Hopefully this whole fanboy debacle dies down with the next gen and we can all co exist and just love pur hobby..

medziarz1492d ago

do you want a 599 US dollars price tag?

ZoyosJD1492d ago

Quick question...Why not?

All hardware eventually comes down to a price you will be able to afford.

Why deny those that work hard and save the right purchase something they want early when you will be able to afford it eventually.

I've never really understood this consumer attitude of only having the newest or cheapest thing. I've always purchased based on the quality I want for a reasonable price.

medziarz1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

@ZoyosJD

sure, but the masses aren't as reasonable as you, and nor are the biased media that will bash and loom-gloom the system just like they did with PS3 and do with the Vita; the system needs to be $400 just like the 360 launched, coz' anything that is not like the 360/720 will be overlooked or deemed a failure in the US-centric media and the hardcore early adopter will remember how the ps3 turned out in technical terms - not exactly $600 worthy compared to a $400 xbox and with problems

FlameBaitGod1492d ago

I'm not, then again I said that when ps3 came out and MGS made me buy it.

Sheikh Yerbouti1491d ago

Same camp. Next gen it will be the same most likely, with Infamous and Uncharted. I know I need to play those games at the very least. If you want all the best action games, you need at some point buy a PlayStation.

fr0sty1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

The rumors never said the A10 was going to be the only GPU in the system. In fact, their goal of "1080p in 3D at 60fps with no problems" would not even be remotely possible using only the A10 APU, so the rumor contradicts itself right there. A modern dedicated GPU would also be required, along with plenty of RAM. So, articles like this aren't barking up the right tree. You cannot base such speculation on rumors of specs that are obviously incomplete.

nerdkiller1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

with great power comes great responsibility...

sony,msoft or nintendo do not want to sell at a big loss next gen. this gen showed, ppl wont buy till things are dirt cheap, except ipads why i have know idea.

DeadlyFire1492d ago

I wouldn't say WiiU is underpowered until we see the full details.

700-1200 Gigaflops though are about what I expect from it.

PS4 looks to have at least 2-3 Tflops. Since this is the second kit it would be nice to see what GPU its packing. Either way I doubt PS4 breaches $400 bucks. Maybe $450. We will see.

Beastforlifenoob1491d ago

wtf are you talking about 2-3 terraflops? wtf man

DeadlyFire1491d ago

Follow the rumors if you want to know.

PS4 Kit 1 - A3850 has AMD 6550D(480 Gigaflops) + rumored GPU with 1.8 Tflops (Likely AMD 7870M scaled down) = 2.32 Tflops. That is kit one.

PS4 Kit 2 has A10 APU with AMD 7660D (614 Gigaflops) + say the same GPU or better? = 2.45 Tflops.

Look it up. There are many things that could vary in the upcoming year that could add to that. Considering the performance of the AMD 8000 IGP.

I don't see how Nintendo will effect the power PS4 or Xbox 3 will have.

wastedcells1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

The wii probably made everyone rethink it's strategy. No surprise there. Kinect and move are prime examples but also look at the current state of the economy and all the other lessons learned this gen. Cost is a factor. But at least we know Sony isn't going casual on us. They will remain hardcore to the end and Sony knows it needs at least a 7 year cycle. So with that said it will be powerful enough to please devs and fans while being cost effective. I don't think we should be worried.

rluvah1492d ago

Sony got away with it for years. The Ps1 and Ps2 had the worst graphics compared to the competition. The Ps3 is the only console they made with good graphics.

stragomccloud1492d ago

You're obviously a younger gamer, so I'll only say this once. The Wii marks the only time that Nintendo has released an "underpowered" console. Nintendo used to always be on the cutting edge.

showtimefolks1492d ago

Just look at VIta Sony released a powerful machine yet prices it right so expect the same thing with ps4. And just like VIta launch expect a lot of games at launch maybe uncharted 4 and killzone 4 at launch.

Sony just released its Q report and they are actually improving and making more money yet still in red but doing better. I think the days of Sony releasing a machine to loose money are over expect ps4 to make a profit from day one no doubt about it

Both ps4 and next Xbox will be more powerful than wiiu and that's not saying wiiu is bad it's just both ms and Sony now knows what Nintendo is offering so they can maybe not beat the tech but maybe make improvements over the tech.

I wasn't a believe that ps4 or Xbox will come out next year fall 2013 but after seeing that both ps3 and xbox360 have slowed down now I feel like its gonna happen. I just hope for one thing that tech isn't rushed and the machines don't have major defects

Tsar4ever011491d ago (Edited 1491d ago )

Well, this is the second dev spec and not the final which would come early next year, So maybe the A10 could change into an OCTO-core FX-8320 or 8350 apu as it final spec better to match the NeXBOX Duango's dev 8-core spec that came out just recently.

And funny the GPU wasn't ever mentioned in the latest articles, what going about these YouTube vids "rumors" saying that both orbis/nexbox gpu's is going to be based on AMD's Sea Islands(HD 8xxx)series?

stragomccloud1491d ago

a10 is an APU series. That is why no GPU is mentioned. An APU is a CPU/GPU hybrid, it is both very efficient in terms of performance and in terms of cost. It supports all of the latest directx 11 features as well.

Lhumierre1491d ago

It's not underpowered it's exactly on par with what PC's are cranking currently. and 360/ps3 is no where near.

fatstarr1491d ago

sonys financial situation is the reason for its weaker ps4. I smell another 7 year gen of slowly improving graphics.

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omarzy1492d ago

"Users who are a lot more tech savvy than I am also noted that with the specs that were released in the report, the PS4 will not have the same leap in graphics we saw from the PS2 to the PS3."

People have been saying this for years

The A10 with no word of other dedicated GPU's or Xfire should we worrying to those who wanted a monster powerhouse, but the PS4 will get the job done, no doubt.

They are creating a powerful machine that will be at a good price, but nothing incredibly revolutionary like the ps2 to ps3.

Sony pretty much shot down any hope of the ps4 being a ps2 to ps3 leap, but that is perfectly fine with me. Just get Naughty Dog to keep up the good work and find out whoever kidnapped the real insomniac team and get them back!

The Last Guardian being pushed to 2014 makes me excited at a launch title.

Cryptcuzz1492d ago

Was it confirmed to not have a dedicated GPU or Xfire?

Was the article from VG247 considered as fact and true now?

I think its best to wait and see what the final and real specs would be from Sony themselves or an actual developer who is in the know.

omarzy1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

Nothing has been confirmed. I'm just going off of what has been stated.

"Was it confirmed to not have a dedicated GPU or Xfire?" Yes, it has in a way. It has an APU A combo of the GPU and CPU which is not nearly as effecient or pwerful as a dedicated GPU. Not confirmed, but just stated here.

I would assume that dev kit reports would not leave out something as important as another dedicated GPU, but this is all speculation.

Just going off of what has been stated, and what has been stated is showing a capable machine, but will not be making jaws drop.

ZoyosJD1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

It's just speculation. Let the guys talk it over and show their interest and excitement.

OT: An APU is actually more efficient than a separate CPU and GPU of the same caliber in both power per price and electicity.

The A10s mentioned in the article currently go for $130 to consumers. So that means if that is all that the PS4 has, it would go for the same or a lower price than the PS3 and graphics would be very comparable.

Not going to happen. But, if there was a dedicated GPU, then the price be about where we expect it and it would do at least 1080p 3D, maybe even 4k.

blue ray drive $50
8GB ram $35
A10 5800K $130
ATI 7970 (supports 4K) $400
mobo, case/w wiring, HDD $100

These are current consumer prices. In a year or 2 years this setup could easily hit the sweet spot on price.

Muerte24941492d ago

I'm a little skeptical about this. We all know the new video format has been approved by CEA (Consumer Electronic Association)UltraHD aka 4k. Sony already has a couple of 4k projectors on the market right now and plans on releasing it's 4k TV in the near future. I'm pretty sure they're planning on having the ps4 support the resolution with at least one or two games running at 30fps. I agree with you, I'm sure Sony's sticking with Nvidia on the GPU front.

aGameDeveloper1491d ago

The dev kits don't necessarily have the same hardware as what they intend for the consumer hardware. If they intend to ship with AMD's next APU, it makes sense to ship developers the current one so that they are working in a representative environment, with guidance on the anticipated performance difference between the A10 and what will be in the console (which may not be consumer hardware at all, but a variant).

smashcrashbash1492d ago (Edited 1492d ago )

We won't know how much power it can push or what kind of graphics it can give us until the whole thing is set before us. After all the whole development kit thing could a rumor.Don't start the assumptions until we have all the pieces in our hands and have put them together.It has been several years since the PS3. I am certain they can build a powerful machine at a good price and still remain competitive.Let wait to see what is under the hood and how it works before we start making wild assumptions.

rustyspoon801492d ago

I don't think it'll matter too much how powerful the PS4 is. I think it'll be powerful enough to last until Sony have Gaikai ready for the masses, then the power wont matter.
Once Gaikai is switched on, I'd imagine any Sony hardware (including PS2) with an internet connection (fast enough) can play all future games.
This is where the benefit of the Dual-Shock always being the same shape will come in.

Imalwaysright1492d ago

And who said that the masses want a service like Gaikai? I personally dont know anyone that would rather stream games over buying physical copies or digital distribution. The only people i saw cheering a service like Gaikai were Sony fanboys for obvious reasons.

PinkFunk1492d ago

Abuuuhhhh?? It seems to me streaming video games involves much less hassle, and thus would appeal MOSTLY to the casual base. Hence the masses. It'd be like someone buying a TV that can stream video games by itself. The casual base just wants to pick up and play.

It ALSO has a chance to appeal to the 'hardcore' base by providing next-gen type games through the same console.

Something like that.