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Did the Wii U force Sony to cut how much power the PS4 will have?

By Furious Francis, owner & editor-in-chief

The PlayStation 4 dev kits are currently on their way to developers according to a report by VG247. Based on what was reported, the PS4 ‘seems’ be a very powerful console, well under high-end PC’s, that will be more affordable than the PS3 was at launch. Users who are a lot more tech savvy than I am also noted that with the specs that were released in the report, the PS4 will not have the same leap in graphics we saw from the PS2 to the PS3. More interestingly it ‘seems’ the PS4 will not be vastly superior graphically, to the Wii U. Sony is known for pushing high-end graphics, but it looks like Sony is more worried about optimization, ease of development, and gameplay fluidity this time around. We also know Sony’s game division has posting multi-million dollar losses lately. So This has me wondering if the Wii U’s $299-$350 price point, forced Sony to hold back a bit on the PS4′s graphics to stay competitive?

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hennessey861749d ago

Nintendo is probably the only console maker who could get away with releasing an under powered console

Theyellowflash301749d ago (Edited 1749d ago )

I don't think the console is under powered relative to the economy right now. The system is being sold at a loss and there is some impressive tech inside the Wii U. Being able to run games at 720p 60 FPS on the TV and the Gamepad with virtually no Lag is impressive.

It takes a lot of power to do that. Plus the system has plenty of Ram and the games already look as good as 8th generation Xbox 360 and PS3 games.

The System will have better graphics as we go along its life cycle. Wait till the next Zelda game comes out!

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herbs1749d ago (Edited 1749d ago )

You can tell this article is pissing off a lot of Sony fans lol. It's quite obvious that the PS4 will not be the overpriced and overly complex machine that the PS3 was when it depute. Sony cannot afford to take such huge losses again, it's that simple its business. The PS4 will still be an awesome machine with excellent exclusives but I am certain that Nintendo is going to repeat its success but this time without the huge graphical gap, especially because it will have a large library by the time it's competitors come out, much like the PS2 did back in the day.

Jadedz1749d ago

True.

Plus at the price it's going for ($299 Basic 8 GB model / $350 Deluxe 32 GB model), it's still a little steep for the average consumer.

MikeMyers1749d ago (Edited 1749d ago )

The Wii U is not the reason why the PS4 may or not be really powerful. The reality is the PS3 when launched cost a lot of money to manufacture. I'm pretty confident that the PS4 (or whatever it's called) will not be a product that cost well over $700 to make. Sony is going through a major restructuring phase and still has to worry about the yen and the economy.

Ken Kutaragi was the main proponent for why the PS3 exceeded budgets. However I do expect the next system to be quite powerful but they won't allow it to bleed them money and price it too high for the average consumer.

The main thing is having enough RAM and making the system by design much easier for developers.

bitboi1749d ago

unfortunately a majority of console gamers equate next gen as meaning more powerful graphics. Never mind any of the other new things introduced with a console. If they don't see graphics above and beyond what their seeing now. It isn't next generation...:/

Getowned1749d ago (Edited 1749d ago )

"it looks like Sony is more worried about optimization, ease of development, and gameplay fluidity this time around."

That sounds great to me, I'm tired of all the bugs in some games because devs find it difficult. I do admit I was hoping the PS4 would be stronger graphics department, but I am content with its currently reported (rumored) specs. Sony making the console affordable is a lot more important than giving it super high tech graphics. A lot of you might not know the vary high cost of some of the more powerful graphics cards. Its still going to look and run better than games on current gen consoles, it may not be the 50x than PS3 better super computer that we wanted, but our games will look better and run a lot more smoothly in full 1080p 60fps ;). I really hope the PS4 will have the rumored 4gb of ram, if so it's going to be pure awesomeness. Bigger, Better, Prettier games on the PS4 :P, fornow everything is just a rumor.

AsimLeonheart1749d ago

After reading the alleged specs I thought that Orbis was perfectly fine. Why doe sthis guy think it is "underpowered"? The Orbis has an XFIRE setup and the APU alone is capable of running current gen games at smooth framerates. Just search for some reviews and benchmarks for A10 APUs. The GPU is mentioned separately when tlaking about the first development kit. Plus we have at least 8GB RAM unlike 2GB for WiiU. When all powers combined we have...Captain Planet!! Um... I mean a very powerful Orbis. (just got reminded of Captain Planet when thinking about combining powers.) :-)

R6ex1749d ago

Between a weak PS4 and my current high-spec PC, I don't see a reason to go back to console.

darthv721749d ago

makes no sense. Considering there is no scale to gauge its power, how can it be determined the wii-u is "underpowered"?

It represents a significant leap as compared to the wii. It surpasses the current offerings by MS and sony. It is offering to the devs more freedom with more memory to work with and a larger disc format. How is that underpowered when there isnt another "console" on the market that equals or exceeds that?

Those using PC's as a gauge are using it the wrong way. The modular nature of a PC allows for the expansion of future hardware. That convenience comes at a much higher price than that of the closed nature of a console.

No doubt the next xbox and PS will be more than their current systems when it comes to specs. But they will not be revolutionary in terms of those specs. If anything we will see a much greater expansion of the amount of memory available. The (finally) adoption of a higher capacity format that will either be unified or custom but we wont be going back to compressed nature of the DVD9.

What will likely happen is the current fidelity we see will be improved by way of the finer details we dont pay attention to. CPU/GPU performance will get a bump but the bigger picture will be about memory and convergence of features to really make these platforms the go to for everything.

ABizzel11749d ago (Edited 1749d ago )

LMFAO, my comment was used. I feel like a celebrity (maybe I should be an analyst or marketing consultant).

Anywho, as I said the PS4 will be slightly better than the Wii U if they ONLY USE THE A10 APU and it's dedicated GPU. They could easily make that console sell for $300 and break even day 1 by fall 2013

PS4

A10 APU
4GB RAM
500GB HDD

$299

That being said the rumor of having 8GB - 16GB screams the PS4 will be running Xfire with something else, and the most likely thing would be a dedicated GPU. Their best bets for GPU's are:

1. HD 7870 (The PS4 you want)
2. HD 6970
3. HD 6950
4. HD 7850
5. HD 6870 (Might struggle with 3D aspect if running 1080p @ 60fps)

Those GPU's should be enough to reach their goal of 1080p @ 60fps + 3D, while also offering a great blend of price to performance ratio for what Sony needs and is trying to spend. By Holiday 2013 they should all be in the $100 - $199 price range (since the HD 8000's series will likely be out by then).

It's possible to come up with a $400 PS4 ($400 is the magic number) with one of those GPU thrown in with the rumored specs. but the better the GPU the greater the loss Sony will take on Day 1, so it's a balance.

kikizoo1749d ago (Edited 1749d ago )

"More interestingly it ‘seems’ the PS4 will not be vastly superior graphically, to the Wii U."

Lol, since wii u is on par with ps3...just use your brain.

"Sony cannot afford to take such huge losses again, it's that simple its business"

don't talk like economist, you don't know anything about $$$ they are making with ps3 (they are selling more than competition since years, are selling games, bluray, etc, it's just huge : sony is loosing money with others departments, and ost of all a too strong yen)

"Its all about the games sir, its all about the games. I believe that is true no matter which console it is."

it should be, but if you were 100% right, sony will be destroying microsoft and nintendo since 2008..

**people are saying bulcraps about last gens, saturn was not more powerfull than ps1, and the gap between ps1§n64, or ps2/gamecube (who came late at the party ! ps2 was the most powerfull console 2,3 years on the market) are not on the same scale than wii/ps3 or wii u/ps4 (probably)

3-4-51749d ago

Not sure how Sony Fans can be upset.

PS3 was the first time they ever had a console with superior graphics to the competition.

PS fans: All those old games you love, all the old classics and good memories were on consoles that were inferior to the competition in terms of graphical capabilities, yet they sold the most, allowing you to get a flood of awesome games for over a decade.

^ I dare you to complain without sounding ignorant.

Autodidactdystopia1749d ago (Edited 1749d ago )

Misconceptions everywhere...

a 7660 while underpowered by todays pc standards would be MORE than enough on dedicated/static hardware.

the performance of this card Is more than sufficient to push 1080p 30 3d.
for less graphically intense apps 1080p60 3d would be possible

if coulpled with an

"ABizzel1"
1. HD 7870 (The PS4 you want) (OVERKILL)
2. HD 6970 (OVERKILL)
3. HD 6950 (OVERKILL)
4. HD 7850 (OVERKILL)
5. HD 6870 (WILL NOT STRUGGLE with 3D aspect if running 1080p @ 60fps (STILL-OVERKILL)

a system with the a10 7660 coupled with the 7670 dedicated which is dirt cheap would push VERY EASILY 1080p 60 3D on static hardware. both of these are enormously powerful gpu's on their own right and are more than enough to push next generation games without windows in the way of performance.

just trust me i know my shit.

subtenko1749d ago

Say what.. Yea its impressive with whoever first discovered the technological feat. of 720p and stuff but this is nothing new.. PS3 has been doing this and it virtually has no lag with most of its exclusives (LBP started out rough with lag)

Nintendo knows people are gonna buy their stuff, they need to stop holding back at least for once...try to be on level with the current gen (No..not this gen..ps4 and nextbox isnt out yet)

bangshi1749d ago

I wish people would stop repeating this lag free things with the Game Pad.

They are not saying it is lag free in terms of the display - they are saying that transferring data from the console to the Game Pad is done so with zero lag.

Totally different things.

And hardly anything groundbreaking. It was quite an Apple-esque marketing spin they played with that one.

vulcanproject1749d ago (Edited 1749d ago )

Errr for all the people who claim to know what they are saying....

For proper TRUE stereoscopic 3D to run at 60 frames a second you essentially have to render at 120 frames a second. One different frame for each eye.

If you think that you are going to get a visual improvement over the existing generation, 1080p, 3D AND 60 frames a second from anything less than a Radeon 7970 class GPU then you are dreaming.

You'll get 30FPS with a decent improvement and stereoscopic 3D, but not really more from even a 7870.

Personally I don't think that Sony will actually be worried about supporting 3D games as standard and just leave it up to developers again.

They are much more likely to try and make 1080p standard and leave it at that. None of these companies are gonna force 3D on devs in the current climate and they certainly aren't going to tell them they MUST make 60FPS games either.

Developers are not gonna be too excited about busting the budget creating a 3D mode and 60FPS just because Sony or Microsoft et al say so.

Dee_911749d ago

ahhh ... The one thing I hate about new consoles the incredible amount of speculation prior to release..
how about you all stfu and wait till it come out like a normal human being lol

juggulator1749d ago (Edited 1749d ago )

To say that the PS4 won't ba as powerful, if not more powerful that the WiiU is absurd. Lets be real, with 10million articals all but confirming an APU made by AMD, 4-8 gigs of RAM, and a DX11 capable graphics card, anyone with a brain would know that PS4 games will absolutely be able to rival the WiiU and will look tons better than current gen games. Believe me,certain developers will make sure of that.

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Autodidactdystopia1748d ago

@vulcan project/

I do ABSOLUTELY know what im talking about.

7970 is once again overkill.

I understand 192060 is hard to do.

Windows takes about 20% of my communicability to amd or nvidia core arrhythmetic.
consoles have the ability to connect directly and interchangeably between hw and sw.

as well as hardware optimisation by those much more talented than me, equates to plenty of power.

if todays pcs are to be the guage i expect consoles to rival or best pc capabilites in both shader and geometric performance within the 1sr year of release.

not for more than a 6 month period nevertheless stil monstrous and highly optimisable and , programmable.

once again i state 1080P 60 3d will be achievable on consoles within the rumored specifications and rumored lifecycle.

vulcanproject1748d ago (Edited 1748d ago )

7970 isn't overkill, otherwise it wouldn't exist.

There is NO SUCH THING as graphical overkill if you want to make modern games. This is a fairly obvious statement, because I would quite happily bet you a trillion dollars that LESS than 5 years after the consoles are built, console devs will say that they could do with more RAM, or more GPU performance. You can never have enough power when it comes to an industry that still presses onwards relentlessly with more and more demands for improved performance and critically, performance per watt.

PC's overheads are well known, but exagerrated when a game is actually well coded if you think they are as much as 20 percent. On a good port they are clearly less.

Besides this, even if it WERE always 20 percent, a 7870 plainly cannot manage 90FPS @ 1080p with filters (i.e 25 percent less than 120FPS) on most modern demanding DX11 titles that boast significant visual improvements over the console counterparts.

In fact a 7970 just about manages it, although in some cases even it falls short.

It is pure waffle that a 7870 will do 1080p/60 and stereoscopic 3D on a DX11 title that improves over the console assets. I should know this, considering I have been gaming on PC for well over a decade and also now gaming on PC in 3D for over 2 years.

It'll manage 30-40FPS when 3D is on, but 60 is well out of reach of a 7870 on like Batman AC DX11, Metro 2033 DX11, Battlefield 3 DX11, you name it. Overhead or not.

These games are also going to be years old by the time the new consoles arrive and no longer at the cutting edge of software engines. Games in the future are gonna use and require more performance, not less. Again, not exactly rocket science.

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Man-E-Faces1749d ago (Edited 1749d ago )

The PlayStation 1,2 were the weakest compared to their competitors Dreamcast,GameCube,Xbox and beat those systems to a pulp in both games available and market share, it was Nintendo who was on the verge of falling off a cliff until they released for the first time a cheap console the Wii, so how can Nintendo be the one capable of selling a cheap console when they only did it once? Maybe Sony feels it's sweet spot is in the middle not low end like the Wii U and not expensive to where their taking years of losses on the system like the PS3. Sony wants to make a profit on the PS4 in 1, max 2 years on the market, is that so wrong of them? I believe with the then expensive at launch Blu-ray drive not being relevant any longer Sony is in a WAY better position with PS4 than with PS3.

StrawHatPatriot1749d ago

The N64 and Saturn beat the PlayStation 1, (along with the DreamCast, I just thought you mention consoles in the same generation), and the Gamecube was the cheapest of its competitors, at $199 at release, $99 like only 2 years later.

Realplaya1749d ago

The Wii U on the low end? Is it because the WiiU hasn't produced Avatar typ graffics?
The WiiU is not cheap by any means anytime a company sales at a loss it's because the price of the unit is more than what were paying as a consumer. The WIIU is a beast and when the next game from companys like Retro come out come back and say that.

deafdani1749d ago

The Dreamcast was weaker than the PS2, actually.

And as far as I know, Nintendo has never sold their consoles at ridiculously higher prices than their competition, they've always made their prices competitive. Only exception that comes to mind was the 3DS when it launched at $250, and look how it worked out for Nintendo, slashing the price dramatically a few months later.

So yeah, Nintendo actually has a reputation of selling their hardware at sensible prices. The Wii happened to show the biggest price gap when compared to its competitors, that's all, but all Nintendo consoles historically were sold at decent prices, consoles and especially handhelds.

ChickeyCantor1749d ago

Sony fans will buy the sony brand anyways. Underpowered or not. They will justified it like any other fanboy.

Imalwaysright1749d ago

Yes because god forbid that someone would buy a PS4 for its games.

ChickeyCantor1749d ago

@imalwaysright,

I wasn't bashing Sony fans. It just happens. LOL you guys are sensitive.

Jadedz1749d ago

You'd think that, but the way people have been denouncing the Wii U (and let's not forget about the Wii) - your sentiment is always as mutual.

UnwanteDreamz1749d ago

@sidar

Then english isnt your first language. Your comment equates Sony fans to fanboys.

ONTOPIC
Toyota, and Honda dont make the fastest cars but millions buy them. Is it fanboyism? Consumers have choices and only children feel the need to justify their purchases.

nunley331749d ago

And MS fans will buy the XBOX brand anyways, under powered or not. They will justify it by pointing to their Halo or Forza and a xbl app which is fine. I will get one eventually but not at launch, their hardware has been to shoddy to trust it on day 1. I will get the PS4 day 1 though and Wii U when zelda and metroid come for it.

tiffac0081749d ago (Edited 1749d ago )

Its all about the games sir, its all about the games. I believe that is true no matter which console it is.