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Submitted by Theyellowflash30 618d ago | opinion piece

Did the Wii U force Sony to cut how much power the PS4 will have?

By Furious Francis, owner & editor-in-chief

The PlayStation 4 dev kits are currently on their way to developers according to a report by VG247. Based on what was reported, the PS4 ‘seems’ be a very powerful console, well under high-end PC’s, that will be more affordable than the PS3 was at launch. Users who are a lot more tech savvy than I am also noted that with the specs that were released in the report, the PS4 will not have the same leap in graphics we saw from the PS2 to the PS3. More interestingly it ‘seems’ the PS4 will not be vastly superior graphically, to the Wii U. Sony is known for pushing high-end graphics, but it looks like Sony is more worried about optimization, ease of development, and gameplay fluidity this time around. We also know Sony’s game division has posting multi-million dollar losses lately. So This has me wondering if the Wii U’s $299-$350 price point, forced Sony to hold back a bit on the PS4′s graphics to stay competitive? (Next-Gen, Nintendo, PS3, Sony, Tag Invalid, Wii U, Xbox 360)

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hennessey86  +   618d ago
I hope not
Nintendo is probably the only console maker who could get away with releasing an under powered console
Theyellowflash30  +   618d ago
I don't think the console is under powered relative to the economy right now. The system is being sold at a loss and there is some impressive tech inside the Wii U. Being able to run games at 720p 60 FPS on the TV and the Gamepad with virtually no Lag is impressive.

It takes a lot of power to do that. Plus the system has plenty of Ram and the games already look as good as 8th generation Xbox 360 and PS3 games.

The System will have better graphics as we go along its life cycle. Wait till the next Zelda game comes out!
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herbs  +   618d ago
You can tell this article is pissing off a lot of Sony fans lol. It's quite obvious that the PS4 will not be the overpriced and overly complex machine that the PS3 was when it depute. Sony cannot afford to take such huge losses again, it's that simple its business. The PS4 will still be an awesome machine with excellent exclusives but I am certain that Nintendo is going to repeat its success but this time without the huge graphical gap, especially because it will have a large library by the time it's competitors come out, much like the PS2 did back in the day.
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Jadedz  +   618d ago
"The system's being sold at a loss..."
True.

Plus at the price it's going for ($299 Basic 8 GB model / $350 Deluxe 32 GB model), it's still a little steep for the average consumer.
MikeMyers  +   617d ago
The Wii U is not the reason why the PS4 may or not be really powerful. The reality is the PS3 when launched cost a lot of money to manufacture. I'm pretty confident that the PS4 (or whatever it's called) will not be a product that cost well over $700 to make. Sony is going through a major restructuring phase and still has to worry about the yen and the economy.

Ken Kutaragi was the main proponent for why the PS3 exceeded budgets. However I do expect the next system to be quite powerful but they won't allow it to bleed them money and price it too high for the average consumer.

The main thing is having enough RAM and making the system by design much easier for developers.
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bitboi  +   617d ago
unfortunately a majority of console gamers equate next gen as meaning more powerful graphics. Never mind any of the other new things introduced with a console. If they don't see graphics above and beyond what their seeing now. It isn't next generation...:/
Getowned  +   617d ago
"it looks like Sony is more worried about optimization, ease of development, and gameplay fluidity this time around."

That sounds great to me, I'm tired of all the bugs in some games because devs find it difficult. I do admit I was hoping the PS4 would be stronger graphics department, but I am content with its currently reported (rumored) specs. Sony making the console affordable is a lot more important than giving it super high tech graphics. A lot of you might not know the vary high cost of some of the more powerful graphics cards. Its still going to look and run better than games on current gen consoles, it may not be the 50x than PS3 better super computer that we wanted, but our games will look better and run a lot more smoothly in full 1080p 60fps ;). I really hope the PS4 will have the rumored 4gb of ram, if so it's going to be pure awesomeness. Bigger, Better, Prettier games on the PS4 :P, fornow everything is just a rumor.
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AsimLeonheart  +   617d ago
After reading the alleged specs I thought that Orbis was perfectly fine. Why doe sthis guy think it is "underpowered"? The Orbis has an XFIRE setup and the APU alone is capable of running current gen games at smooth framerates. Just search for some reviews and benchmarks for A10 APUs. The GPU is mentioned separately when tlaking about the first development kit. Plus we have at least 8GB RAM unlike 2GB for WiiU. When all powers combined we have...Captain Planet!! Um... I mean a very powerful Orbis. (just got reminded of Captain Planet when thinking about combining powers.) :-)
R6ex  +   617d ago
Between a weak PS4 and my current high-spec PC, I don't see a reason to go back to console.
darthv72  +   617d ago
the underpowered argument
makes no sense. Considering there is no scale to gauge its power, how can it be determined the wii-u is "underpowered"?

It represents a significant leap as compared to the wii. It surpasses the current offerings by MS and sony. It is offering to the devs more freedom with more memory to work with and a larger disc format. How is that underpowered when there isnt another "console" on the market that equals or exceeds that?

Those using PC's as a gauge are using it the wrong way. The modular nature of a PC allows for the expansion of future hardware. That convenience comes at a much higher price than that of the closed nature of a console.

No doubt the next xbox and PS will be more than their current systems when it comes to specs. But they will not be revolutionary in terms of those specs. If anything we will see a much greater expansion of the amount of memory available. The (finally) adoption of a higher capacity format that will either be unified or custom but we wont be going back to compressed nature of the DVD9.

What will likely happen is the current fidelity we see will be improved by way of the finer details we dont pay attention to. CPU/GPU performance will get a bump but the bigger picture will be about memory and convergence of features to really make these platforms the go to for everything.
ABizzel1  +   617d ago
LMFAO, my comment was used. I feel like a celebrity (maybe I should be an analyst or marketing consultant).

Anywho, as I said the PS4 will be slightly better than the Wii U if they ONLY USE THE A10 APU and it's dedicated GPU. They could easily make that console sell for $300 and break even day 1 by fall 2013

PS4

A10 APU
4GB RAM
500GB HDD

$299

That being said the rumor of having 8GB - 16GB screams the PS4 will be running Xfire with something else, and the most likely thing would be a dedicated GPU. Their best bets for GPU's are:

1. HD 7870 (The PS4 you want)
2. HD 6970
3. HD 6950
4. HD 7850
5. HD 6870 (Might struggle with 3D aspect if running 1080p @ 60fps)

Those GPU's should be enough to reach their goal of 1080p @ 60fps + 3D, while also offering a great blend of price to performance ratio for what Sony needs and is trying to spend. By Holiday 2013 they should all be in the $100 - $199 price range (since the HD 8000's series will likely be out by then).

It's possible to come up with a $400 PS4 ($400 is the magic number) with one of those GPU thrown in with the rumored specs. but the better the GPU the greater the loss Sony will take on Day 1, so it's a balance.
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kikizoo  +   617d ago
"More interestingly it ‘seems’ the PS4 will not be vastly superior graphically, to the Wii U."

Lol, since wii u is on par with ps3...just use your brain.

"Sony cannot afford to take such huge losses again, it's that simple its business"

don't talk like economist, you don't know anything about $$$ they are making with ps3 (they are selling more than competition since years, are selling games, bluray, etc, it's just huge : sony is loosing money with others departments, and ost of all a too strong yen)

"Its all about the games sir, its all about the games. I believe that is true no matter which console it is."

it should be, but if you were 100% right, sony will be destroying microsoft and nintendo since 2008..

**people are saying bulcraps about last gens, saturn was not more powerfull than ps1, and the gap between ps1§n64, or ps2/gamecube (who came late at the party ! ps2 was the most powerfull console 2,3 years on the market) are not on the same scale than wii/ps3 or wii u/ps4 (probably)
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3-4-5  +   617d ago
Not sure how Sony Fans can be upset.

PS3 was the first time they ever had a console with superior graphics to the competition.

PS fans: All those old games you love, all the old classics and good memories were on consoles that were inferior to the competition in terms of graphical capabilities, yet they sold the most, allowing you to get a flood of awesome games for over a decade.

^ I dare you to complain without sounding ignorant.
Autodidactdystopia  +   617d ago
Misconceptions everywhere...

a 7660 while underpowered by todays pc standards would be MORE than enough on dedicated/static hardware.

the performance of this card Is more than sufficient to push 1080p 30 3d.
for less graphically intense apps 1080p60 3d would be possible

if coulpled with an

"ABizzel1"
1. HD 7870 (The PS4 you want) (OVERKILL)
2. HD 6970 (OVERKILL)
3. HD 6950 (OVERKILL)
4. HD 7850 (OVERKILL)
5. HD 6870 (WILL NOT STRUGGLE with 3D aspect if running 1080p @ 60fps (STILL-OVERKILL)

a system with the a10 7660 coupled with the 7670 dedicated which is dirt cheap would push VERY EASILY 1080p 60 3D on static hardware. both of these are enormously powerful gpu's on their own right and are more than enough to push next generation games without windows in the way of performance.

just trust me i know my shit.
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subtenko  +   617d ago
Say what.. Yea its impressive with whoever first discovered the technological feat. of 720p and stuff but this is nothing new.. PS3 has been doing this and it virtually has no lag with most of its exclusives (LBP started out rough with lag)

Nintendo knows people are gonna buy their stuff, they need to stop holding back at least for once...try to be on level with the current gen (No..not this gen..ps4 and nextbox isnt out yet)
bangshi  +   617d ago
I wish people would stop repeating this lag free things with the Game Pad.

They are not saying it is lag free in terms of the display - they are saying that transferring data from the console to the Game Pad is done so with zero lag.

Totally different things.

And hardly anything groundbreaking. It was quite an Apple-esque marketing spin they played with that one.
vulcanproject  +   617d ago
Errr for all the people who claim to know what they are saying....

For proper TRUE stereoscopic 3D to run at 60 frames a second you essentially have to render at 120 frames a second. One different frame for each eye.

If you think that you are going to get a visual improvement over the existing generation, 1080p, 3D AND 60 frames a second from anything less than a Radeon 7970 class GPU then you are dreaming.

You'll get 30FPS with a decent improvement and stereoscopic 3D, but not really more from even a 7870.

Personally I don't think that Sony will actually be worried about supporting 3D games as standard and just leave it up to developers again.

They are much more likely to try and make 1080p standard and leave it at that. None of these companies are gonna force 3D on devs in the current climate and they certainly aren't going to tell them they MUST make 60FPS games either.

Developers are not gonna be too excited about busting the budget creating a 3D mode and 60FPS just because Sony or Microsoft et al say so.
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Dmarc  +   617d ago
ahhh ... The one thing I hate about new consoles the incredible amount of speculation prior to release..
how about you all stfu and wait till it come out like a normal human being lol
juggulator  +   617d ago
To say that the PS4 won't ba as powerful, if not more powerful that the WiiU is absurd. Lets be real, with 10million articals all but confirming an APU made by AMD, 4-8 gigs of RAM, and a DX11 capable graphics card, anyone with a brain would know that PS4 games will absolutely be able to rival the WiiU and will look tons better than current gen games. Believe me,certain developers will make sure of that.
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Lhumierre  +   617d ago
It's 1080p @ 60fps.
Autodidactdystopia  +   616d ago
@vulcan project/

I do ABSOLUTELY know what im talking about.

7970 is once again overkill.

I understand 192060 is hard to do.

Windows takes about 20% of my communicability to amd or nvidia core arrhythmetic.
consoles have the ability to connect directly and interchangeably between hw and sw.

as well as hardware optimisation by those much more talented than me, equates to plenty of power.

if todays pcs are to be the guage i expect consoles to rival or best pc capabilites in both shader and geometric performance within the 1sr year of release.

not for more than a 6 month period nevertheless stil monstrous and highly optimisable and , programmable.

once again i state 1080P 60 3d will be achievable on consoles within the rumored specifications and rumored lifecycle.
vulcanproject  +   616d ago
7970 isn't overkill, otherwise it wouldn't exist.

There is NO SUCH THING as graphical overkill if you want to make modern games. This is a fairly obvious statement, because I would quite happily bet you a trillion dollars that LESS than 5 years after the consoles are built, console devs will say that they could do with more RAM, or more GPU performance. You can never have enough power when it comes to an industry that still presses onwards relentlessly with more and more demands for improved performance and critically, performance per watt.

PC's overheads are well known, but exagerrated when a game is actually well coded if you think they are as much as 20 percent. On a good port they are clearly less.

Besides this, even if it WERE always 20 percent, a 7870 plainly cannot manage 90FPS @ 1080p with filters (i.e 25 percent less than 120FPS) on most modern demanding DX11 titles that boast significant visual improvements over the console counterparts.

In fact a 7970 just about manages it, although in some cases even it falls short.

It is pure waffle that a 7870 will do 1080p/60 and stereoscopic 3D on a DX11 title that improves over the console assets. I should know this, considering I have been gaming on PC for well over a decade and also now gaming on PC in 3D for over 2 years.

It'll manage 30-40FPS when 3D is on, but 60 is well out of reach of a 7870 on like Batman AC DX11, Metro 2033 DX11, Battlefield 3 DX11, you name it. Overhead or not.

These games are also going to be years old by the time the new consoles arrive and no longer at the cutting edge of software engines. Games in the future are gonna use and require more performance, not less. Again, not exactly rocket science.
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Man-E-Faces  +   618d ago
The PlayStation 1,2 were the weakest compared to their competitors Dreamcast,GameCube,Xbox and beat those systems to a pulp in both games available and market share, it was Nintendo who was on the verge of falling off a cliff until they released for the first time a cheap console the Wii, so how can Nintendo be the one capable of selling a cheap console when they only did it once? Maybe Sony feels it's sweet spot is in the middle not low end like the Wii U and not expensive to where their taking years of losses on the system like the PS3. Sony wants to make a profit on the PS4 in 1, max 2 years on the market, is that so wrong of them? I believe with the then expensive at launch Blu-ray drive not being relevant any longer Sony is in a WAY better position with PS4 than with PS3.
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StrawHatPatriot  +   618d ago
The N64 and Saturn beat the PlayStation 1, (along with the DreamCast, I just thought you mention consoles in the same generation), and the Gamecube was the cheapest of its competitors, at $199 at release, $99 like only 2 years later.
Realplaya  +   618d ago
The Wii U on the low end? Is it because the WiiU hasn't produced Avatar typ graffics?
The WiiU is not cheap by any means anytime a company sales at a loss it's because the price of the unit is more than what were paying as a consumer. The WIIU is a beast and when the next game from companys like Retro come out come back and say that.
deafdani  +   617d ago
The Dreamcast was weaker than the PS2, actually.

And as far as I know, Nintendo has never sold their consoles at ridiculously higher prices than their competition, they've always made their prices competitive. Only exception that comes to mind was the 3DS when it launched at $250, and look how it worked out for Nintendo, slashing the price dramatically a few months later.

So yeah, Nintendo actually has a reputation of selling their hardware at sensible prices. The Wii happened to show the biggest price gap when compared to its competitors, that's all, but all Nintendo consoles historically were sold at decent prices, consoles and especially handhelds.
ChickeyCantor  +   618d ago
Sony fans will buy the sony brand anyways. Underpowered or not. They will justified it like any other fanboy.
Imalwaysright  +   618d ago | Well said
Yes because god forbid that someone would buy a PS4 for its games.
ChickeyCantor  +   618d ago
@imalwaysright,

I wasn't bashing Sony fans. It just happens. LOL you guys are sensitive.
Jadedz  +   618d ago
@lmalwaysright
You'd think that, but the way people have been denouncing the Wii U (and let's not forget about the Wii) - your sentiment is always as mutual.
UnwanteDreamz  +   617d ago
@sidar

Then english isnt your first language. Your comment equates Sony fans to fanboys.

ONTOPIC
Toyota, and Honda dont make the fastest cars but millions buy them. Is it fanboyism? Consumers have choices and only children feel the need to justify their purchases.
nunley33  +   617d ago
And MS fans will buy the XBOX brand anyways, under powered or not. They will justify it by pointing to their Halo or Forza and a xbl app which is fine. I will get one eventually but not at launch, their hardware has been to shoddy to trust it on day 1. I will get the PS4 day 1 though and Wii U when zelda and metroid come for it.
tiffac008  +   617d ago
Its all about the games sir, its all about the games. I believe that is true no matter which console it is.
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waltercross  +   617d ago
@sidar

I Usually buy Sony products because of the Quality and Tech. so yup I'm buying the PS4. :)
ThanatosDMC  +   617d ago
What's wrong with reliability and games?
moparful99  +   617d ago
I"ve already started putting money aside for my next gen console.. I am watiting for both Sony and Microsoft to release their specs and details so I can make my decision. But based on this generation of consoles I am heavily favoring the ps4 for reliability, exclusives, and because I have over 6 years worth of PSN experience that I want to carry over :P
Cam977  +   618d ago
As said perfectly by -NosTalgia-, the Ps1 and Ps2 were underpowered compared to their competition, yet, sales wise - they soared. I really don't think graphics matter next gen; if they stay at an Ac3 level then everything will be fine. This is because next gen, I see the next big advancement in ram, graphics are just a perk.
mcstorm  +   617d ago
I agree with what you are saying. Ive been a gamer since the late 80s and consoles have never sold because of how powerful they are its always been because of tbe games.

Example look at the best selling games of this gen have not been the best looking.

Look at the ps1 and ps2 they were not as powerful as the there consoles around them but out sold them. The biggest selling point believe it or not is 3rd party games now exclusive games.

This is why nintendo lost alot of the market in the last 2 gans and hadto cchange there approach with the wii as they knew they did not have 3rd party support like sony did and microsoft this gen put alot of money into getting 3rd party support from sony.

This time round the market is different to the ps1 and 2 gen because there are now 2 big market to go for. The core and none core. Nintendo know they managed to get the none core last gen and by letting the add ons for the wii work with the wiiu this should help alot of the none core market upgrade to the wiiu if sonly right but with games like zombieu call of duty ect moving over to support the wiiu it will be a way for nintendo to try and get some of thr core from nintendo.

Microsoft now have kinect that has opened there console to the none core with some big none core games in dance central kinect sports this will help ms again at the start of next gen as they are known as a allround console just like sony.

Sony already have big name games in gt uc and lbp and they are known as a allround company too but therr failing this gen was the price of everything they sold and advertising there products.

If sony can get a next gen move bundled into there console and it all for a price range matching the wiiu and next xbox i see next gen being even closer between sony nintendo and microsoft.
ALLWRONG  +   617d ago
So it's all about sales now? This entire gen Sony guys have been saying "sales don't sequel quality" now you all flip flop when you hear the PS4 specs maybe weak so Sony can make more $.
moparful99  +   617d ago
Graphics are just a bullet point in fanboy arguments.. Granted I love beautiful graphics but once you've become ingrossed in a game the last thing you notice is pretty graphics.. Its all about story, detail, mechanics etc.. I fully expect ps4 games to be beautiful in terms of graphics but what I am hoping Sony focuses on is from more of a technical standpoint.. More RAM to run the OS and in game PSN functioality, Improve PSN (even though its great as is), and make the hardware not as quirky to work with so developers can code easier. Now I'm not saying dumb down the tech to shut up the whiners but make it so devs want to make it the lead platform to develop on so there's no more of this "x game is better on the 360 then on the PS3" nonsense... Hopefully this whole fanboy debacle dies down with the next gen and we can all co exist and just love pur hobby..
medziarz  +   618d ago
do you want a 599 US dollars price tag?
ZoyosJD  +   617d ago
Quick question...Why not?

All hardware eventually comes down to a price you will be able to afford.

Why deny those that work hard and save the right purchase something they want early when you will be able to afford it eventually.

I've never really understood this consumer attitude of only having the newest or cheapest thing. I've always purchased based on the quality I want for a reasonable price.
medziarz  +   617d ago
@ZoyosJD

sure, but the masses aren't as reasonable as you, and nor are the biased media that will bash and loom-gloom the system just like they did with PS3 and do with the Vita; the system needs to be $400 just like the 360 launched, coz' anything that is not like the 360/720 will be overlooked or deemed a failure in the US-centric media and the hardcore early adopter will remember how the ps3 turned out in technical terms - not exactly $600 worthy compared to a $400 xbox and with problems
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FlameBaitGod  +   618d ago
I'm not, then again I said that when ps3 came out and MGS made me buy it.
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   616d ago
Same camp. Next gen it will be the same most likely, with Infamous and Uncharted. I know I need to play those games at the very least. If you want all the best action games, you need at some point buy a PlayStation.
fr0sty  +   617d ago
The rumors never said the A10 was going to be the only GPU in the system. In fact, their goal of "1080p in 3D at 60fps with no problems" would not even be remotely possible using only the A10 APU, so the rumor contradicts itself right there. A modern dedicated GPU would also be required, along with plenty of RAM. So, articles like this aren't barking up the right tree. You cannot base such speculation on rumors of specs that are obviously incomplete.
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nerdkiller  +   617d ago
with great power comes great responsibility...

sony,msoft or nintendo do not want to sell at a big loss next gen. this gen showed, ppl wont buy till things are dirt cheap, except ipads why i have know idea.
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DeadlyFire  +   617d ago
I wouldn't say WiiU is underpowered until we see the full details.

700-1200 Gigaflops though are about what I expect from it.

PS4 looks to have at least 2-3 Tflops. Since this is the second kit it would be nice to see what GPU its packing. Either way I doubt PS4 breaches $400 bucks. Maybe $450. We will see.
Beastforlifenoob  +   617d ago
wtf are you talking about 2-3 terraflops? wtf man
DeadlyFire  +   616d ago
Follow the rumors if you want to know.

PS4 Kit 1 - A3850 has AMD 6550D(480 Gigaflops) + rumored GPU with 1.8 Tflops (Likely AMD 7870M scaled down) = 2.32 Tflops. That is kit one.

PS4 Kit 2 has A10 APU with AMD 7660D (614 Gigaflops) + say the same GPU or better? = 2.45 Tflops.

Look it up. There are many things that could vary in the upcoming year that could add to that. Considering the performance of the AMD 8000 IGP.

I don't see how Nintendo will effect the power PS4 or Xbox 3 will have.
wastedcells  +   617d ago
The wii probably made everyone rethink it's strategy. No surprise there. Kinect and move are prime examples but also look at the current state of the economy and all the other lessons learned this gen. Cost is a factor. But at least we know Sony isn't going casual on us. They will remain hardcore to the end and Sony knows it needs at least a 7 year cycle. So with that said it will be powerful enough to please devs and fans while being cost effective. I don't think we should be worried.
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rluvah  +   617d ago
Sony got away with it for years. The Ps1 and Ps2 had the worst graphics compared to the competition. The Ps3 is the only console they made with good graphics.
stragomccloud  +   617d ago
You're obviously a younger gamer, so I'll only say this once. The Wii marks the only time that Nintendo has released an "underpowered" console. Nintendo used to always be on the cutting edge.
showtimefolks  +   617d ago
Just look at VIta Sony released a powerful machine yet prices it right so expect the same thing with ps4. And just like VIta launch expect a lot of games at launch maybe uncharted 4 and killzone 4 at launch.

Sony just released its Q report and they are actually improving and making more money yet still in red but doing better. I think the days of Sony releasing a machine to loose money are over expect ps4 to make a profit from day one no doubt about it

Both ps4 and next Xbox will be more powerful than wiiu and that's not saying wiiu is bad it's just both ms and Sony now knows what Nintendo is offering so they can maybe not beat the tech but maybe make improvements over the tech.

I wasn't a believe that ps4 or Xbox will come out next year fall 2013 but after seeing that both ps3 and xbox360 have slowed down now I feel like its gonna happen. I just hope for one thing that tech isn't rushed and the machines don't have major defects
Tsar4ever  +   617d ago
Well, this is the second dev spec and not the final which would come early next year, So maybe the A10 could change into an OCTO-core FX-8320 or 8350 apu as it final spec better to match the NeXBOX Duango's dev 8-core spec that came out just recently.

And funny the GPU wasn't ever mentioned in the latest articles, what going about these YouTube vids "rumors" saying that both orbis/nexbox gpu's is going to be based on AMD's Sea Islands(HD 8xxx)series?
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stragomccloud  +   617d ago
a10 is an APU series. That is why no GPU is mentioned. An APU is a CPU/GPU hybrid, it is both very efficient in terms of performance and in terms of cost. It supports all of the latest directx 11 features as well.
Lhumierre  +   617d ago
It's not underpowered it's exactly on par with what PC's are cranking currently. and 360/ps3 is no where near.
fatstarr  +   617d ago
sonys financial situation is the reason for its weaker ps4. I smell another 7 year gen of slowly improving graphics.
omarzy  +   618d ago
"Users who are a lot more tech savvy than I am also noted that with the specs that were released in the report, the PS4 will not have the same leap in graphics we saw from the PS2 to the PS3."

People have been saying this for years

The A10 with no word of other dedicated GPU's or Xfire should we worrying to those who wanted a monster powerhouse, but the PS4 will get the job done, no doubt.

They are creating a powerful machine that will be at a good price, but nothing incredibly revolutionary like the ps2 to ps3.

Sony pretty much shot down any hope of the ps4 being a ps2 to ps3 leap, but that is perfectly fine with me. Just get Naughty Dog to keep up the good work and find out whoever kidnapped the real insomniac team and get them back!

The Last Guardian being pushed to 2014 makes me excited at a launch title.
Cryptcuzz  +   618d ago
Was it confirmed to not have a dedicated GPU or Xfire?

Was the article from VG247 considered as fact and true now?

I think its best to wait and see what the final and real specs would be from Sony themselves or an actual developer who is in the know.
omarzy  +   618d ago
Nothing has been confirmed. I'm just going off of what has been stated.

"Was it confirmed to not have a dedicated GPU or Xfire?" Yes, it has in a way. It has an APU A combo of the GPU and CPU which is not nearly as effecient or pwerful as a dedicated GPU. Not confirmed, but just stated here.

I would assume that dev kit reports would not leave out something as important as another dedicated GPU, but this is all speculation.

Just going off of what has been stated, and what has been stated is showing a capable machine, but will not be making jaws drop.
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ZoyosJD  +   617d ago
It's just speculation. Let the guys talk it over and show their interest and excitement.

OT: An APU is actually more efficient than a separate CPU and GPU of the same caliber in both power per price and electicity.

The A10s mentioned in the article currently go for $130 to consumers. So that means if that is all that the PS4 has, it would go for the same or a lower price than the PS3 and graphics would be very comparable.

Not going to happen. But, if there was a dedicated GPU, then the price be about where we expect it and it would do at least 1080p 3D, maybe even 4k.

blue ray drive $50
8GB ram $35
A10 5800K $130
ATI 7970 (supports 4K) $400
mobo, case/w wiring, HDD $100

These are current consumer prices. In a year or 2 years this setup could easily hit the sweet spot on price.
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Muerte2494  +   617d ago
This is why...
I'm a little skeptical about this. We all know the new video format has been approved by CEA (Consumer Electronic Association)UltraHD aka 4k. Sony already has a couple of 4k projectors on the market right now and plans on releasing it's 4k TV in the near future. I'm pretty sure they're planning on having the ps4 support the resolution with at least one or two games running at 30fps. I agree with you, I'm sure Sony's sticking with Nvidia on the GPU front.
aGameDeveloper  +   616d ago
The dev kits don't necessarily have the same hardware as what they intend for the consumer hardware. If they intend to ship with AMD's next APU, it makes sense to ship developers the current one so that they are working in a representative environment, with guidance on the anticipated performance difference between the A10 and what will be in the console (which may not be consumer hardware at all, but a variant).
smashcrashbash  +   618d ago
We won't know how much power it can push or what kind of graphics it can give us until the whole thing is set before us. After all the whole development kit thing could a rumor.Don't start the assumptions until we have all the pieces in our hands and have put them together.It has been several years since the PS3. I am certain they can build a powerful machine at a good price and still remain competitive.Let wait to see what is under the hood and how it works before we start making wild assumptions.
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rustyspoon80  +   618d ago
I don't think it'll matter too much how powerful the PS4 is. I think it'll be powerful enough to last until Sony have Gaikai ready for the masses, then the power wont matter.
Once Gaikai is switched on, I'd imagine any Sony hardware (including PS2) with an internet connection (fast enough) can play all future games.
This is where the benefit of the Dual-Shock always being the same shape will come in.
Imalwaysright  +   618d ago
And who said that the masses want a service like Gaikai? I personally dont know anyone that would rather stream games over buying physical copies or digital distribution. The only people i saw cheering a service like Gaikai were Sony fanboys for obvious reasons.
PinkFunk  +   618d ago
Abuuuhhhh?? It seems to me streaming video games involves much less hassle, and thus would appeal MOSTLY to the casual base. Hence the masses. It'd be like someone buying a TV that can stream video games by itself. The casual base just wants to pick up and play.

It ALSO has a chance to appeal to the 'hardcore' base by providing next-gen type games through the same console.

Something like that.
bitboi  +   617d ago
@Imalwaysright
you never really know what people want until you put it out there...
rustyspoon80  +   617d ago
I'm not saying that we want streaming to be the future. The only games I've downloaded have been from PS+. I still have all my old consoles and games.
But Sony bought Gaikai for a reason and they wont let that be wasted money.
joeorc  +   617d ago
agree 100%
maybe this will give people a freaking Hint..the answer is no one who knows is telling anything just yet everything else is just a guess!

this is official word, not from a guess, or hear say this is a actual interview with the man in charge:

Masaaki Tsuruta, CTO of Sony Computer Entertainment:

EVP, Technology Platform and CTO, Sony Computer Entertainment has revealed the roadmap regarding future Playstation technology

this is a custom SOC:
Computer Entertainment, says that the company is working on a system-on-chip (SoC) to underpin the product for "seven to 10 years".

AGAIN THIS INTERVIEW WAS IN EARLY THIS YEAR:
The PlayStation 3 will be at least seven years old by the time its successor arrives, but is generally considered to have lasted longer than was originally expected. A firm launch for the fourth generation console - not to be called PlayStation 4 - was pushed out again late last year.

Here is again what Sony is planning on Using:

Its designed-in longevity is largely a matter of economics. The Cell Broadband Engine that powered the PS3 cost $400m to develop; the main SoC for the incoming console is likely to be a 3D stack incorporating thru-silicon-via technology and could be the first $1bn hardware design project.

Again this is from the EVP! OF THE PLAYSTATION PLATFORM AS A WHOLE in other words the freaking chief design engineer of the platform! not people making a guess.

The headroom Sony will need to achieve all this - or even part of it, assuming that some things on its wishlist will not reach fruition in time - does help to explain why an announcement on the fourth generation PS is taking so long.

He describes the architecture in broad terms: "You are talking about powerful CPU and GPU with extra DSP and programmable logic.

http://mandetech.com/2012/0...

IE: "$1bn hardware design project."

Again let that sink in people!

"$1bn hardware design project."

would over the counter PC parts used in your machine cost 1Billion $$$ to design? think about it!
Conzul  +   617d ago
The amount of $$$ thrown at something is not a good marker of its end-reliability though. Just look at linux vs windows
joeorc  +   617d ago
@Conzul
"The amount of $$$ thrown at something is not a good marker of its end-reliability though. Just look at linux vs windows"

while that is quite true, this is about the hardware design, and the fact the OP's post states the info he is getting is that Sony is using A design thats over the counter, and that development kits have this certain harware chipset in the development kits, which is a rumor. while i just posted info that was from the head hardware CTO over at Sony computer entertainment. one is a guess an the other told what they expect to use. 1 Billion for over the counter parts in the system design? really?

that i would say is very unlikely. Of course we do not have all full info yet, but what we do know is the next playstation is using a custom CPU and GPU for the next playstation after the PS3's 7th year on the market. which flys into the face that the next Playstation is using off the shelf parts being claimed in this OP's info posted.
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MultiConsoleGamer  +   618d ago
This has always been their plan and the bottom line is profitablity. It's a very smart move.

They never won on graphics before, why start now? It's always about the games, and creating a healthy developer ennviroment that brings the games. That's what they did with PS1, and that's how they started their revolution and stole much of the gaming market. It's what Apple is doing right now.
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Theyellowflash30  +   618d ago
I agree, read the whole article and it echos your statements.

Sony is making a powerful affordable console, that is fluid and runs games like butter. I love it. "Who doesn't want to play Killzone or Uncharted in 1080p 60FPS?

I can't wait to play my Wii U and PS4. Next gen is going to finally go back to GAMEPLAY and not graphics.
PtRoLLFacE  +   618d ago
I can't wait to play my Wii U and PS4. Next gen is going to finally go back to GAMEPLAY and not graphics

lol i smell troll, ohh wait!
black911  +   618d ago
Games are what matter
LX-General-Kaos  +   618d ago | Well said
Many have been saying similar things for a good long time now. That the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system is a true next generation platform, and that later released competing platforms will not be highly or noticeably superior in graphical performance. There will be somewhat of a leap, but not as great as people unrealistically claim.

The price of the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system will undoubtedly force competing brands to offer a their next generation platforms at an affordable competitive price point. Console manufacturers are finally learning that if you release at too high of a price, you end up paying the price. The proof is all around us in the gaming spectrum.

After a hand full of pricing mistakes within the current generation of home consoles, and handhelds alike, I find it difficult to believe that anyone will over spec and over price their next generation platform. The videogame market has increasingly become a very unforgiving battlefield. One simple mistake can set business back to the stone ages. The supreme balance of specs, innovation, gaming experiences, and pricing is of strict importance. Though before all of that, everything in the beginning comes down to a competitive price. Something that I believe the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system has nailed.

Rated E For Everyone
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Schawk  +   618d ago
Well said my buddy, just look at the handheld market what happened there.
LX-General-Kaos  +   617d ago
Exactly what I was thinking
Eyeco  +   618d ago
I have nothing against the Wii u I think.its set to be an excellent system the problem I have is that its trying to appeal to the gamers that game primarily on ps3 and 360 platforms , as of right now why would any of those gamers buy a system to play games they either already own or can play on their current consoles , with the exception of classic Nintendo exclusives,
linkratos  +   617d ago
I'm convinced people just hit disagree the moment they see your name. This made perfect sense, and was 'well said.'
LX-General-Kaos  +   617d ago
Thank you for your support and positive attitude man
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jmc8888  +   617d ago
Exactly, the quality for the price increase isn't there. 8 gb's ram doesn't deliver alot more performance than 2gb's. Well really, you need the power to utilize that 8 gb's. But what sucks it up is generally textures. Look at PC games like Rage that can utilize super huge textures. Even when it's enabled, it takes up a lot of space and processing power, but doesn't deliver a big increase in how it looks. So 8gb's if true, is really more of a marketing number, rather than an actual number that is important to utilizing the system. If the core of a game needed almost all that ram, then the power behind simply wouldn't be able to run it.

If they had a system that could rival a GTX 690, they'd be able to run ultra textures easily, and have some room for future software increases. But the thing with future software, it relies on new tech that isn't available. More ROPS, TAU's, cuda cores, etc. So the power gets sucked up very quickly. That's why you have things like single gpu's beating or pretty much equaling dual gpus from one year earlier. Meanwhile what they get from that is negligible. Since they'd be adding hundreds per console for a one notch gain in PC graphical settings. Hell if they used a GTX690, it would probably double the console price. That's the point. The tech just isn't there.

Sort of like some of those low end Vid cards, that are 2gb, but that's just for marketing, since there is no way if all 2gb was used that the vid card could handle it. It couldn't. So really Sony would be again wasting money trying to wow people with ram that didn't matter. Better than last time, but still overdoing it. At least ram is cheap, so it's not a big deal.

We're not talking about making individual units where people can pick and choose them for their PC. Consoles are one shot deals. So what they put in they have to pay that price under a contract. So they pay through the nose for the first couple of years for that specific CPU, GPU, ram, etc. If it's a high priced one, they have to pay a high price for that GPU on every system is sells into the millions (still lower than a retail graphics card...but still really expensive). People need to remember, today a mid range PC graphics card costs $400. That's the 3rd best card in the lineup.

The greatest depression in history is only starting, 5 years after it did, yep...don't believe what anyone is saying, we have fixed squat, and only made things worse, and it's a world wide depression. So to make these consoles expensive as the last time around, is simply poor thinking. Sure a GTX 690 costs $1000 dollars, but they can make them as it's demanded. For consoles you are making millions of them a year, and you have to sign a contract dictating the price. It's a lot less flexible than Nvidia or ATI can do themselves from what they offer, and they can lower their prices anytime.

It is a supreme balance, and they will be first to market. No one will be significantly better than them, but will be, but all will be poorer than a PC (which wasn't the case with the 360/PS3). Have the gamepad, and included with every Wii U. Nintendo from a business side, hit this out of the park. Cheaper, almost as fast, innovative, and first.
moparful99  +   617d ago
ALl of that RAM is for OS and multitasking purposes.. They aren't shoehorning large doses of RAM into the system for graphical purposes..

The ps3 and 360 both run our current gen games with 500mb of shared ram and the games looke great...

If the graphical leap is going to be as little as everyone is prognosticating then it doesn't make sense to dump 8gigs worth into the new systems just for graphics.. It does however, make sense to have all of that ram in order to do Multitasking and in game dashboard operations..

You are just speculating and in all honesty your entire longwinded reply sounds like a love letter to nintendo...
TheLyonKing  +   618d ago
If anything the consumer would have, the more power the bigger the cost therefore having to sell the console at a higher price which consumers do not want to pay for.

I however hope none of this is true
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corrus  +   618d ago
Stop with that stupid articles PS4 will have 8GB ram
HappyCamper172  +   618d ago
why would it need 8gb ram?

i have a gaming laptop with 8gb ram and i had to open up 4 games, photoshop and couple more programs at the same time to get to 8gb ram!!

You are delusional about ram. The rest of the system needs to be ultra fast and powerful to raise ram usage accordingly.
MoveTheGlow  +   618d ago
They're definitely trying to have a more complex UI running in the background, accessible at all times. That could warrant beefing up the RAM as much as they need to. That won't ultimately be the thing that would escalate the price a ton.
HappyCamper172  +   617d ago
Like windows 7 isn't complex enough. Out of those 8gb ram 1,7gb went on the system
SolidDuck  +   618d ago
I think Sony has learned there lesson with expensive price points. The ps3 was great tech when it launched, it was powerful, had Bly ray, had built in wifi, it was great. But at $600 u could build a really good PC for just a little more. And the vita is amazing for a handheld. But at $250 plus a memory card that's like $50 for a decent one, and a game or two, that's like $350 to $400 for a handheld. That's more than the consoles. So they need to find a good middle ground between performance and price. I hope they pull it off, cause if Sony cant figure out how to start making money next gen, it will prob be the last we see of them. And even though Sony gets a ton of hate, I've loved my ps1, 2, and 3 , especially ps2 which I consider to be the best console ever made.
ziggurcat  +   618d ago
not clicking on this obviously moronic article.

why in the world would sony downgrade their next system just because the wiiu is weak?
HappyCamper172  +   618d ago
Maybe because Sony is on the edge of being bankrupt and they can't afford another ps3 release.

An the world economy also makes the rules.
Persistantthug  +   617d ago
@HappyCamper172......Who told you Sony was on the "edge of being bankrupt?"
Didn't Sony just buy GAIKAI for almost 400 Million dollars?

That doesn't sound like "edge of bankruptcy" to me.
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HalfNerdHalfAmazing  +   618d ago
I doubt the ps4 will be cheaper than the ps3 at launch the ps4 will basically gonna be a more powerful Wii u.
Cam977  +   618d ago
Note: they are trying to keep it cheap (presumably after the lesson Vita thought them), that means this probably won't have PS3 BC.
morganfell  +   618d ago
How does Nintendo "force" Sony to go weaker? Force them to go more powerful...yes. I could see that. But force them to go weaker? Really? Some of these articles are setting new standards in the realm of the absurd.
isarai  +   618d ago
exactly, the statement and article just do not make sense in the least. Just looks like another sad attempt at trying to make Playstation and SCE look bad, there's been a lot of that lately, don't really get it
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jmc8888  +   617d ago
Actually not really. First to market is a huge advantage.

Plus what will Sony gain by waiting? Even if they slap in a GTX 690, it won't be 'worlds better'.

The simple fact is, you can spend thousands of dollars for GPU's, and in a couple of years time, a single GPU for $500 will best it.

In the meantime, all that power means you can run a game on ultra with room to spare, but that spare power is gone as better tech handles newer software better.

Thus what you get is something where you have too much power when you don't need it, and not enough when you do a couple of years later.

Above and beyond all this, you have the simple fact that if you have a PC capable of say running BF3 on Ultra...it looks great right?

Well take it down to very high levels. Does it still look great? Sure does.

So why add 300 dollars to the system cost, either some it takes at a loss and some goes to a higher price the consumer will pay, for that miniscule difference?

Then remember all the console manufacturers sign contracts meaning they have to buy at that price for a couple of years, and will be spending that money on that GPU, CPU, etc tens of millions of times over before they can renegotiate, and it still being a more expensive legacy part, that didn't keep up with tech that replaced it.

Giving Nintendo a couple year lead with clearly the most powerful system on the market erodes alot of a market share, again that's bad for a near failing business with Sony.

Also it's something that's not easily made back. Look at how Sony merely tried to maintain it's market share with the PS3 and failed miserably.

People above earlier in the thread say stuff like 'don't talk like an economist.'...no economists sugar coat everything. Looking at the numbers is something economists don't do....they manipulate numbers. Big difference. Sony is not in great shape and was hammered with losing 200-300 per system the first couple of years, along with Apple's inroads in the music market...see Ipod vs walkman/discman. It does not matter how many PS3's they sell, they won't break even.

PS3 will be a loss, a major one for Sony money wise. They have to sell 5-10 units at profit NOW, for every one they sold the first couple of years just to make up the money on the one. Multiply that by all the millions they sold the first couple of years or so, and you see they lost big time. Plus they put in 2005-2006 dollars, and got out 2012 and later dollars.

MS had to deal with RROD and 1 billion dollar charge. (which goes to...make them more powerful..how?)

You simply can't just make them more powerful with a wand. It costs money, and heat, and thus reliability. The tech just isn't there to be significantly better than the Wii U. So if they attempt to do so, they'll spend a ton of money, possibly hamper their reliability, and not get very noticeable results from all of that money.

All three systems will be good, and play great games. But they all will compete on an equal footing.
Ck1x  +   617d ago
I agree a lot with what you have stated! The number one factor that most people aren't considering that the PS4/720 wont be 3 Teraflop machines is heat... That alone won't change anytime soon and will be the reason as to why the jump next gen will be respectable but not significantly so! My guess is realworld numbers will put these machines anywhere from 2-4x the WiiU at best to still be affordable.
Whitey2k  +   618d ago
yeah but people forget ther could either br a gpu with it or whats to help that gaikai could help process the graphics more to the console itaelf despite it being cloud
seanpitt23  +   618d ago
Look the ps4 has to last until at least 2020 so it needs to be top notch to compete in the future hence we need to build a console for today's and tomorrow market"
jmc8888  +   617d ago
It cannot be top notch, not unless you want it to cost $2000. Even then PC tech would outdo it in about 3-4 years time, or less if people utilize SLI/Crossfire. Like one year.

Remember a single dual GPU graphics card costs $1000-$1100 dollars these days. So people are literally putting in over $2,000 just in graphics cards in their computer by buying two, or three of say the GTX 680 at a total of $1500 or so.

The tech simply isn't there. If they were smart, they'd wait, but by waiting, they'll lose a bunch of market share they spent generations and billions building up. Escalator on the way up, elevator on the way down.

Nintendo set themselves up for a major win with the Wii. They could enter at anytime and make up the tech difference. They took a risk by putting out by far the weakest console, yet won the generation by selling far more. It's important because that decision, set up this situation. It's not that every 'generation' is separate, it all of the decisions along a continuum that create this. Nintendo won. They let Sony and MS bleed themselves and 'need' to hang onto older tech longer than they should have to recoup money, and Nintendo wiggled right in there in the midst of Sony and MS's greatest point of weakness.

Everyone else is busy trying to recoup their losses from this gen, while Nintendo is coming first to market and forcing the issue with a new console now.

They have a shot to erode billions of dollars worth of marketing and investment with shrewd moves and timing.

Nintendo has played this and made Sony and MS look like fools. Seriously, anyone with a brain running Sony and MS would be having heads roll at their corporate offices, because Nintendo has taken them to the woodshed again and set 'next gen' up on their terms, and they won't need to lose alot of money to do it, after by far raking in the most money last gen.

All that AND they will be the only one with a gamepad, the smartglass/vita aren't competitors in that realm, and yet they'll have them in EVERY Wii U owner's hands. Ensuring that game devs will make use of it.

I never owned a Wii. I have a PS3/360/PC (i7 920@4ghz GTX 670). I will have ALL the consoles this time around. But looking at it objectively and through a business, and reality lens, that's how it is.
EffectO  +   618d ago
Sony needs affordable($300-$400 tops),easily accessible, attractive product.
Hopefully they learned something from Vita...
Competition is ruthless today,one mistake and you are history.
Bluenuts9  +   618d ago
The 300 to 400 range doesn't sound bad, my biggest question isn't the power and all that, it's actually how much do we think the games might cost. I wouldn't be shocked at all if games were between 70 and 80 dollars. I of course have no proof, just a sneaking suspicion.
EffectO  +   618d ago
Gaming industry is crashing left and right with $60 price tag.

$70-$80 would be a total disaster.I don't think anybody is that stupid,if anything games should be $50.
lfclee  +   618d ago
I hated the ps2 but loved the dreamcast and gamecube and the old xbox1 the ps2 was so underpowered for it's time but did eventually buy a ps3 which i love and prefered over my xbox360 but i'm very much looking forward to the amazing wiiu i have pre-ordered.
josephayal  +   618d ago
never underestimate a company like Sony
The PS4 will be as 2x powerful as the high end PC from early 2012
Bluenuts9  +   618d ago
How high end are you talking? It would have to be more like slightly less powerful to keep the cost down IMHO. I'd love it if you were right, and if it wasn't above 450 in the US. Wii U: 11-18-12... PS4: whenever it comes out lol. Great combo IMO.
aquamala  +   617d ago
The A10 is meant to compete wih budget intel i3's, it's not even competitive to i5's and i7's
nypifisel  +   617d ago
HAHA Please! Stop this nonsense. The PS4 will be at around 400$ (if they want to sell any machines what so ever), It'll be just above the Wii U in power and it will never have 8 GB of ram. Sony doesn't care about what you think, they're realists, and all they want is to make money like any other company.
Schawk  +   618d ago
The ps4 will be running tech not yet available even in the PC market, cutting edge CGI gameplay graphics 24gig of ram and 6 quad core cpu's
ask any sony fanboy they will confirm my thoughts

hahaha dream on fanboys
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RFornillos4  +   618d ago
unlike fanboys, sony has already learned their lessons. the fact is, graphics is good, but only icing on the cake. gameplay is where its at. and if high-end graphics means selling the product at a steep price, it will not sell.

even if it does sell, not enough to keep business afloat. and sony knows that, for years they've been selling the PS3 at a loss. fanboys can say "no they're not...", but whether they accept it or not, business-wise they're not doing good.

i myself hope the PS4 will be good, not necessarily graphics-wise. i prefer to have the big 3 companies there, coz it's good for competition and benefits every gamer, fanboy or not.
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Npugz7  +   618d ago
Sounds like the next xbox will be the most powerful console next round.
WetN00dle69  +   617d ago
I doubt it. If anything they will both be about the same. Difference is that the new Xbox wont hold the developers down due to the optical disk of choice!
bubblebeam  +   617d ago
@WetN00dle69

Agreed. Disk space is the main issue this gen. I wonder if Microsoft will have their own unique storage (unlikely) or will succumb to blu-ray. Microsoft might have to forget their pride and use blu-ray, as I can't really think of anything else.

Ideas people?
WetN00dle69  +   615d ago
Well here is hoping they get Blu-Ray. Which im sure they will.
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ozstar  +   617d ago
Im fine with that, since the most powerful console is almost always NOT the lead development console.
jizzyjones  +   618d ago
Sony "We've never been first. We've never been cheapest. It's about being the best"
pedroyamato  +   617d ago
The first "best" sony videogame, was not even a console (psp) just few years ago, if your looking for the best videogame platform, just buy a computer
Hicken  +   616d ago
The "best" game wasn't a console? Exactly what are you trying to say, because that made no sense.

Obviously, Sony meant CONSOLES; how could you not comprehend that, even from just that quote?

Even excluding the PS3(and I don't know why you would), the PS1 and PS2 were exceptional consoles in many ways, including having amazing libraries.

Sony's desire to be "best" shows in their hardware and the library of games they bring to said hardware. These things are more important to them than being first on the market, or being the cheapest on store shelves.

They strive to be the best option for console gaming, and I happen to think they make a damn good attempt at that with each device they produce.
jay2  +   618d ago
BS, Wii U will always be bottom of the pile, Do you see Wii U running games in 1080P 60FPS 3D? No doesn't even run Mario Wii U at 1080P. Does Wii U even run anything at 60FPS 1080P?
ninjabake  +   618d ago
Who cares. If your getting caught up in all that and nitpicking then your missing the essense of playing videogames. When you first picked up a controller I highly doubt you were dissecting the system, game and graphical parity.

The question should be: do you see yourself having fun and being entertained by games on the Wii U? If you don't then hey you just don't but if graphics are your only case for an argument then that is pretty weak man.
metroidfusion2  +   617d ago
Ok I don't know how stupid you are but this was last year or sometime this year the wii u can do 3d but nintendo is not focusing on that and reventlu the gamepad controller might be able to do 3d as well and the wii u as of now has 9 NATIVE 1080P AND 60FPS GAMES WITH A FEW OR SEVERAL OF THEM AT LAUNCH and I'm sure more native 1080p and 60fps games will be coming and all of nintendos FIRST PARTY LAUNCH TITLES ARE IN NATIVE 720P AND RUN AT 60FPS and YOU NEDD TO DO YOUR RRSEARCH AND STOP NEING A WHINY CHILD YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS HA HA LOL why don't people do their research this generation stop being stupid
yabhero  +   617d ago
yeah it does actually... it runs Black ops 2 at 1080p 60FPS and is capable of doing 3D. No games have used the 3D yet but Iwata himself confirmed it.
I believe Assassin's Creed 3 is also 1080p 60FPS. Why would Mario even need to be at 1080p?
Whitey2k  +   618d ago
i think sony should of kept the cell but more of a powerful one all that was lacking is the ram and a gpu
WiiUalpha  +   618d ago
It's funny I said yesterday in an article that it woldnt be the super computer Sony fans were proclaiming it to be and my comment got marked for trolling and some Sony idiot actually took it as far as to claim I was saying the PS4 would be a complete POS simply by saying it wouldnt have 16 gigs of RAM or an 8 core CPU and all the other BS they were pulling out of thin air...

Nice to have some comfirmation that I was indeed correct that PS4 will not be much more powerful than Wii U... Now let's see how many Sony fans complete change their story about supporting inferior hardware.
attilayavuzer  +   617d ago
Confirmation? You mean speculation and assumption.
pedroyamato  +   617d ago
this place is infested with sony drones my friend... even more than IGN!
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Realplaya  +   618d ago
@Jay2 are you serious the WiiU runs at 1080p 60FPS.
Why produce a mario game like that when galaxy won game of the year @ 480p 30FPS. Facts are facts the best looking games come out at the end of a consoles life cycle. Plus games should be fun.
WiiUalpha  +   618d ago
I love how just last week 1080p and 60FPS was so last gen but now that it's what PS4 will do as well it's suddenly the best again.
wolokowoh  +   617d ago
Well that's not really much point in doing better than that. Sure they could get some ridiculous frame rate or 4K resolution but that just be way too expensive. I personally hope PS4 is around 4-5 times the power of Wii U rather than simply 2-3 times the power. 1080p and 60fps is impressive but until people see it used with some high profile game on Wii U, it's not all that impressive. For instance, if we had Retro make a 1080p 60fps Metroid Prime, a "realistic" art style for a HD Legend of Zelda, or a strong third party exclusive IP, then the Wii U's power would actually be showcased and people would be much more appreciated. Right now, all people see is Nintendo Land, some platformers, ZombiU, and 3rd party titles most of which are too early to judge or ported.
metroidfusion2  +   617d ago
Your stupid and need to do research on the wii u anf that is all I will say and that's being extremely nice
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Crillvirus81  +   618d ago
What ever price they sell there consoles for Sony or ms Nintendo will be ready to lower there price when they launch so Nintendo has the upper hand and I'll say it again next gen will be about the games and how they are played not graphics why you think them rumors about Xbox 720 and the so called kinect 2 / wrist controllers are coming from and expect Sony to follow with some type of similar idea cause the only way the masses will give up there current gen consoles is if they see something there consoles at home can't do that's why ps3 / 360 sold well cause the graphics are leaps ahead of the ps2/Xbox but next gen the jump won't be that big so they gots to come up with new ideas or gimmicks to sell there new consoles and that's a fact
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