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Submitted by Foolsjoker 534d ago | opinion piece

PS4, High Price with High Specs or Low Price with Low Specs?

As 2012 comes to an end and news of the next PS4 slowly starts to be leaked and rumored, the Daily Reaction crew of Dan and Seb crunch the numbers and discuss Sony’s future pricing structure. (Dev, Next-Gen, PS3, Tech, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim)

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doctorstrange  +   535d ago
As much as I want the greatest tech ever, I gotta be realistic. I love PlayStation, and for them to succeed they can't be too expensive.
Foolsjoker  +   534d ago
Yeah, I'm not sure I can work any more jobs to afford a new console.
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camel_toad  +   534d ago
Doctor Strange and Foolsjoker reported as TOTALLY F*@#ING NUTS. Lol nice conversation.
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MikeMyers  +   534d ago
How about High Specs at a Low Price?
onyoursistersback  +   534d ago
lol.....wait WAIT WAIT!!!
didn't this happen yesterday too?! are you the same ones that commented on the uncharted picture?! lol....
knowyourstuff  +   534d ago | Well said
lol people are willing to pay 700 bucks every year for the newest smartphone, but if Sony charged that much for its PS4 every whiny gamer on the planet would cry about it, even though those smartphones cost about 100 bucks to make, whereas the PS4 will likely be sold at a loss given how expensive it is to manufacture right out of the gate.
It's like gamers are still making money off a paper route and can't afford anything more than 500 bucks... lol and they say this industry has "grown up".
badz149  +   534d ago
OMG LOL!
the change of words between doctorstrange and Foolsjoker is hillarious!

props for spending your bubbles to entertain the others and let those with lesser amount of bubbles talk on the topic lol!

on topic, why can't we have something relatively high spec with good price? Sony did proved it with the Vita, so why can't the PS4 be the same?
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Tsar4ever  +   534d ago
I'm hoping for decent/moderate specs for medium price point. $350-$450.
R6ex  +   534d ago
Many console gamers have become high-spec PC gamers. And good PCs cost $2000 or more.

So, please, make the PS4 a powerful machine. Otherwise, converted PC gamers may not be converted back to consoles.
subtenko  +   534d ago
As the good Merchant would say "Ahhh I'll buy it at a high prRiiiCE!"

As long as its under $600. I dont want Sony acting like Nintendo. Sony is supposed to be Sony and stay Sony. Thats what I want. I want Uncharted, The Last of Us, LBP3, Agent, Kara all of that stuff and more. PlayStation is PlayStation. "Thannnnk Youuuu" (- Merchant guy not shoenice..)
Autodidactdystopia  +   534d ago
If you guys were smart you would not give a F&^K as long as you demand an SSD.

SSD is where its at. its the single most underpowered portion of a console. an ssd would drop loadtimes to 1/4 of what they are now.
kudakadere  +   534d ago
That's very true , if the Wii U or Next xbox have a lower price tag people will chose them over the PlayStation , yes hardcore gamers will experience amazing tech on the Ps4 but at the cost of Sony financial expense . I can see Sony going for higher and higher tech as it's their motto essentially .
R6ex  +   534d ago
I'm not even buying the Wii U piece of junk.

Its low-spec and for kids.
R6ex  +   534d ago
I'm not even buying the Wii U piece of junk.

Its low-spec and the games are for kids.
onyoursistersback  +   534d ago
@topic, that is a good question....
"Ima go with good tech"
chaos-lockheart  +   534d ago
Prepare to get a high specs, Sony is a company that likes to go forward not backwards.
miyamoto  +   534d ago
my thoughts exactly,

they are the only ones pushing forwards no matter what the cost
Raoh  +   534d ago
Pretty much what Chaos-lockheart said.

But people need not freak out.

Sony has learned their lessons with pricing. (at least we hope so). Rather than just a high spec machine for the sake of making a high spec machine, many internal and external

There is no physical media war this time. Blu Ray is the last physical media format with increased layers as needed.

Their Exclusives war chest is larger than ever.

Gaikai.

Not only are they listening to gamers/critics about online features (see ps vita) the purchase of Gaikai adds to those features as well as makes it easier to utilize existing patents than creating new ones or paying licences to competitors.

Playstation plus is a huge success.
Rage_S90  +   534d ago
All indication point to it being a lot weaker then the 720.
TAURUS-555  +   534d ago
the 720 and its ring of death v2.0
chaos-lockheart  +   534d ago
what indications, nothing has even came out yet. Besides so what if it's a little lower specs then the next Microsoft console, will Sony not support their system if it is? We will still have games to play on it. Hardware and graphically will still be improved.
Griffin4871  +   534d ago
I've never agreed more.
TAURUS-555  +   534d ago
i also love all about PS, who cares about graphics? we want big smooth games, shooters capable of 60v60 online lots of options, etc
wishingW3L  +   534d ago
you need better specs for that and an APU would be only marginally better than what we have now with the PS3 and Xbox.
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lonesoul65  +   534d ago
You have to look at the overall investment you are making. If it is a well made product, I think that $600 bucks for a console is reasonable. I would much rather have something top of the line so in 6 years, its still worth a damn.
xtremeimport  +   534d ago
the best thing the ps4 has going for it which should help keep the price down is that Blu-ray is no longer new tech and wont cost a lot to implement into every console. the ps3's internals were also based on new unique tech. Sony took a gamble with innovation on the ps3. At first it didnt pay off, but theres no denying it being an incredible piece of hardware.

i hope they dont turn into an Apple and continue to price high with all their new products. Ps4 should come in around $350-$400 at launch if not less. But seeing as the Vita was $250..cant really help but think a full blown console will be at least a $100 more.
LX-General-Kaos  +   534d ago
This seems to be a very difficult balance and sensitive subject.

Everyone wants to talk the talk of wanting high specs, but nobody wants to pay for it. I am one of the minority that would pay a premium for pretty much any console if the games are there. I personally would say go with high specs and high price but usually a high price gets low sales. It is always the cheaper platform that enjoys the lucrative sales. Product moves from the shelves at a faster rate, while developer support is usually superior due to increased install base. Every high priced high spec platform that I can remember has always had a moderate install base with mediocre developer support.

If the Vita and early days of the PS3 are any indication of what would happen with high price and high specs. I would choose low for the greater good of the corporation. If you are forced to sell at a high price you are likely taking a loss on units sold as well. Making it difficult to drop the price of the unit in case of emergency.

Rated E For Everyone
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Foolsjoker  +   534d ago
Realistically the majority doesn't care about specs, they just want games. Specs are mainly used as tools by a bunch of tools who want to start a flame war.

The PS4's extra gagaflops and Tetrisbits are going to ruin the 720 next-gen!
LX-General-Kaos  +   534d ago
You are right. Not even developers care about specs if the masses purchase their product.
thorstein  +   534d ago
Indeed, but don't forget about the PS4's Megalomanibytes of Ramtasticness and it's 10 Terrabit GPS!

Of course, the Xbox 1080 is going to have more pixelations per square yardage on the televisor screens and at least 1 uber-ergonomic comptroller.
ZoyosJD  +   534d ago
Aww...I thought you were over that "Rated E for Everyone" gimmick and were trying to present yourself in a sensible manner.

OT: If the PS4 uses an APU and a separate graphics card as I expect the power per price will be really surprising.

The game engines have already set the bar; It's just up to the console manufacturers to match it.

Those gamers crying for next gen right now may not realize it, but another year or two until release means the difference between 1080p in 3D to 4K@60FPS at the price point that is generally agreed upon.

The 720 and PS4 have to aim for the $400-500 price point to appease the different groups that regularly support their products.

As good as games have gotten only a few have even scratched the surface of scale and detail I would eventually like to see in-game.
R6ex  +   534d ago
Having bought a $2000 gaming PC, what's a $700 PS4, right?
knifefight  +   534d ago
For me it depends mostly on the games, I think. Don't get me wrong, I love me some sweet sweet graphics, and it's true that choppy framerates and slowdown/lag can take away from some experiences. Oh my yes. But as long as THAT can be avoided, games will sell me the system.

And as sad as it is to admit, while *I* might see the value in paying more, and people reading this site might see the value in paying more, the market at large usually doesn't (history shows). They might have to hold back a little bit on tech in order to keep costs lower.
But then, hey, this is all speculation of 1 gamer so....
kudakadere  +   534d ago
Make it like the 360 , not absolutely crazy tech but enough to satisfy at a reasonable price . Yes i love Uncharted but a lot of people who didnt have 360's missed out .
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Nitrowolf2  +   534d ago
"Yes i love Uncharted but a lot of people who didnt have 360's missed out "

I think you mean PS3, and even if the PS3 was exactly like 360 in terms of development and price, they would have still missed out
XabiDaChosenOne  +   534d ago
@greenpowerz face/palm...
greenpowerz  +   534d ago
"Make it like the 360 , not absolutely crazy tech but enough to satisfy at a reasonable price "

You mean make it like the 360 because the tech was designed better for developers.

360 Has The Witcher 2, Skyrim, Halo 4, Forza 4 and Horizon, Crysis 2. All these games are the most demanding and technically advanced games this generation due to a mix of size, scope, openess, graphical fidelity or a combonation of(most technically advanced multi plats that are open and look good thrive on the 360)

You base your opinion on linear, QTE, static, fixed camra angle, stripped down features and social design types of games.

The xbox hardware isnt settling for price, it's just smartly designed without a HD disc drive adding to half of its cost.

THE 360 WAS $400 WHEN IT CAME OUT, THE PS3 WAS $600. BLU-RAY PLAYERS WERE 6-8 HUNDRED BUCKS. PS3'S COST HAS MORE TO DO WITH BLU-RAY.

A $400 360 WAS STILL WAY TOO MUCH.

There is a reason MSFT is rolling out a 360 payment plan test run, MSFT has too put expensive powerful hardware in the 360 to do all the things they're planning and to make sure no other console is more capable.

MSFT won't do a real 360 price drop because they're preparing for the massive hit they're going to take with the 720. MSFT is milking the 360 price due to high demand for the 360 in preperation of 720.
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CDzNutts  +   534d ago
What's wrong with QTE, static, fixed camera angle, games? It's humanly impossible for this type of experience to be good?
Vickistheman  +   534d ago
I'd like to see a $399 price point. Sony should aim to cram whatever tech they can at that price. It should still be decent, nothing ground breaking like the PS3 but something that'll perform up to par with the NextBox.
Dark_Overlord  +   534d ago
High specs with low price? one can dream lol

The only thing I want more than high specs is reliability, this generation has had some of the worst console hardware reliability going :(
tubers  +   534d ago
Google has done it during the time it released Nexus 7 and will do it again upon the release of Nexus 10.

Maybe Sony could implement such a strategy. (very low profit from hardware to penetrate the market easily)
BitbyDeath  +   534d ago
As long as the OS gets enough RAM to properly multi-task then i'm happy.
GraveLord  +   534d ago
The VG247 report stated Sony plans to launch a powerful console at an affordable price. That means the absolute max price for the system has to be $399.(for the premium model)
IWentBrokeForGaming  +   534d ago
Go BIG or go HOME!
givemeshelter  +   534d ago
If the price is too high like the launch price of the PS3, you will see a repeat of the sales woes the PS3 suffered in its early years.
You will see a moderate capable console at an affordable price for the PS4.
Anything higher and it's suicide for Sony
IRetrouk  +   534d ago
You do realise that the ps3 has sold at a faster rate than the 360 since launch dont you, if sony had a slow start ms must have been crawling, i will happily pay another 425 if the tech is there, its like some people dont know how to save or something lol
andibandit  +   534d ago
How fitting of you to instantly compare it to the 360.....how about comparing it to the PS2 and tell me how well they did?.
Caffo01  +   534d ago
The difference in sales between PS2 and PS3 is there because PS3 launched 1 year after 360 and WII, not because of its launch price IMO.
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IRetrouk  +   534d ago
Im comparing it to its nearest rival, happens to be the 360, that is all
givemeshelter  +   534d ago
The PS3 did not launch at $425...
It launched at $599 in the United States and $699 in Canada and almost $800+ in Australia.
After the early adopters and hardcore gamers buying the PS3, sales plummeted because of that cost. Moreover many of the units sold were then out on ebay for outrageous costs...then the following day they were pulled because NO one bought them at that price.

"During its first week of release in the United States, PlayStation 3 systems were being sold on eBay upwards of $2000. The following day, no units were posted on eBay, none of them sold."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

"it's like some people don't know how to save or something lol"

LOL. Sounds like these famous quotes:

"for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."
(The quote proved to be a disaster)

or this

"If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1200 bucks for it."
(You could find COUNTLESS PS3 consoles on store shelves after launch)

or this

"The first five million are going to buy it (PS3), whatever it is, even [if] it didn't have games."
(That never happened)

How wrong Sony was. So wrong that they lost close to 40% market share to Microsoft and Nintendo in one generation...mostly because of the insane launch price. EVEN Sony themselves acknowledge this and said they would never repeat that mistake.
As for selling faster at launch?
Numbers seem to challenge you on that. After a month SALES PLUMMETED. So much so that Japan after just a few months on the market had a PRICE cut to move units.
Parallax_Films  +   534d ago
Even if Microsoft and Sony both charged $600 for whatever they come up with, the hardware would still be behind in terms of most ideal modern performance for high quality graphics + physics + resolution + additional features.

I wish it was possible for "next-gen" consoles to have the TBA Ivy Bridge-E i7-3930, TBA OC 3Gb GDDR5 8970 or OC 3GB GDDR5 GTX 780 equivalent and 64GB of at least 1866Mhz 9-10-9-28 RAM and at least a 500GB high end SSD.

Imagine exclusive video games running, well optimized, on a configuration like that? I live in America, where one can dream!
Hassassin  +   534d ago
freeze yourself a few years (10 or so) and consoles will reach that point, for now you can buy a high end PC.
SAE  +   534d ago
i would buy a pc but it doesn't provide exclusives like sony , that's my only problem with it , i even love to play on the keyboard and mouse ...
Hassassin  +   534d ago
@lDeath489 PC also have "exclusives", but I do agree some console only titles (specially sony) are fantastic... If only they where on PC :S

(I have a PS3, but barley use it).
Parallax_Films  +   534d ago
I have a high end PC.
Hicken  +   534d ago
... you DO realize how unreasonable that is, right? Expecting closed systems to be able to perform at the same level as open systems that could, by their very nature, outclass them the day they release?

The PS4 and 720 could very well have BEEN high-end PCs at the start of their development... development which takes years to finalize. So, by the time they've been sent- in kit form- to developers so they can understand the architecture and make games for it, and by the time it's seen its completed form reach shelves, it would be inferior to new things made in just the few months prior to its release.

For the console makers to put out systems that were the SAME level as high-end PCs when they launched, they'd have to be ABOVE that long before launch. How would they do that?

Dreaming is fine, but don't forget about reality and a little common sense.
Clarence  +   534d ago
A good price point would be 400-450. The good thing is the PS3 is selling well despite the higher price point. I think with a price of 400-450 the PS4 will fly off the shelves.
DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   534d ago
400-450 max. Sony can't get away with a $500, $600 price tag at launch its not appealing. I wanna see PS4 have a decent jump in power but reasonably priced.
Pillsbury1  +   534d ago
They cannot a cannot allow the competition to come at lower price point. Sony has learned from its mistakes this gen, they will go back to their roots of the ps1 and ps2 days. Moderately powerful and amazing exclusive games will be Sonys focus this time, no more ultra expensive consoles. Can't wait to see what Sony brings. Long live play.
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SAE  +   534d ago
wouldn't mind paying for a high spec console from sony since they will provide the games which mean we will get the best games we ever play so it worth it and sales should go to hell , like if i the one who get the money to care about it , all i care about are the games ...

high specs means low profit at first but after a while it will survive and be the best , look how the ps3 turns out , the tech will be cheaper after a while , so if anyone who don't want to pay that much just wait 2 to 3 years and you will see the price drop a lot , the system will be fixed{updates} , Many games will be available , so we all gonna win if the specs are high ...

im expecting the ps4 to be in middle , full hd / 60fps / faster loadings or better graphics / better xmb like the vita , you enter the game like if it's an app , just press ps button and you will be able to enter anything you want , just that makes me convinced to buy the ps4 ...
Soldierone  +   534d ago
Paid 600 for a PS3, would gladly do it again. Will it mean high sales for Sony, nope, so thats worth thinking about.

MS is going low price, moderate specs. Sony obviously needs to compete on price. My bet is slightly above moderate specs, sold at a loss. Just like PSP, Vita, and PS3.
Pillsbury1  +   534d ago
Youre right, you and I and all the other hardcores will buy day 1 regardless. It's the masses and parents that look at a high price point and shy away. Moderate specs is right on point.
KevPC  +   534d ago
i would prefer a console with higher specs that way it will be future proof...but whatever sony does people will complain...either for being too expensive or having lower specs than another console. If it was apple or some other company people would still complain but so many more would buy it without a second thought.
a_squirrel  +   534d ago
Well said.
smashcrashbash  +   534d ago
Very good point. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they release a weaker console at an affordable price people will cry that it isn't strong enough and if they put tons of raw power into it and make you pay for it people will cry it is too expensive. Sony is always expected to do everything to perfectly while others just toss you a bone and everyone runs after it. Microsoft practically tossed you a broken console and no one minded and still pretend it didn't matter because they managed to fix it after three years. People will claim that they complain but run out and buy the product anyway.A word of advise. When you complain about something it isn't really complaining if you buy it anyway. What is the point of doing that? It's like complaining a fruit is rotten but you are still chewing it and swallowing it.My theory that many PlayStation owners aren't happy unless they are complaining about something constantly. I don't think the VITA for example could ever get any game that will satisfy anyone.No matter what appears on the VITA it is NEVER enough. It's always 'that's nice but why don't you have this or that'
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gamernova  +   534d ago
If they want to compare to pcs then the graphics alone will ball park around 400. It will be high end compared to its ancestor but not to high that it will break the bank. It should be less than the jump from ps2 to ps3 but probably be able to support 4K.
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LordMe  +   534d ago
High specs, high price.

Price goes down, specs don't go up...
a_squirrel  +   534d ago
I don't know why people worry. Seriously, the only reason why Sony had a ridiculously expensive console is because of the bluray. I was seeing bluray and hd-dvd players in the thousands!

You wanna know why bluray beat hd-dvd? Not because it's superior, but because of the ps3. Sony decided to push it for short-term losses and long term gain. Think about how long it'll be until bluray is the next dvd...
wishingW3L  +   534d ago
yes, yes, everybody should have this same point of view!
insertcoin  +   534d ago
How about affordable price with lots of great games? Specs don't matter much if there aren't any games to take advantange of it.
newn4gguy  +   534d ago
I don't care if Sony releases their games on a supercomputer or Windows 3.1. They make some of the best games in history. So, I will follow.
cliffyboy21  +   534d ago
well we know that microsoft's going to be bringing a lot of power to their next system so their going to have to price it at a certain point so im sure it'll be close between the 2 of them. but another thing that will help sony a lot to me is their online gaming, if they come out with something fantastic that gamers will like that will push consoles a lot
bozebo  +   534d ago
Medium price with medium specs.

High specs these days is quite extreme...

Either way, the jump will be huge. Graphics of launch titles will be easily in line with current high-ish-end gaming PCs (only really go higher end than that to play on very high resolutions).
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Dlacy13g  +   534d ago
I think the funniest thing about articles like this is this misconception the the PS3 isn't a success. Look, the PS3 while "technically" in 3rd is barely in 3rd place and will have sold over 70 million units after the holiday is done. 70 million units moved in a generation where its competitors did as much or more is a success if you ask me.

I will be glad to see them move away from the cell if they do, but ultimately I am not sure at this point it would kill them if they stuck with the cell. Develop may not like it as much but they have 5+ yrs now with it. Give them more RAM and more cell and I think we still can see top flight games.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   534d ago
Typical response to your comment:

"No, no, no, no , NO! You are looking at it wrong man! Sony lost the 90% market share they had last gen. By default PS3 is a failure because it wasn't able to maintain that market share percentage and failed to sell more PS3s than PS2s. MS and Ninty both increased the amount of consoles from what they sold last gen so they BOTH won this gen. That's right there are TWO first places!"

Anyway, Sony shouldn't aim for low specs, but they should aim for an affordable lunch price.

In the end it's all about the GAMES!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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sdplisken  +   534d ago
i think sony should make the best possible machine for
$399-$450 imo
ZeekQuattro  +   534d ago
All I know is if they pull that $600 shenanigans again I be waiting a year or two to buy a PS4 as I did with the PS3.
3-4-5  +   534d ago
PS1 was weaker than N64 and sold 100 million + consoles.

PS2 was weaker than xbox & Gamcube.....and sold the most.

Gamcube was the best...sold the least.

Wii was the least of the 3 = sold the most.
SkullBlade169  +   534d ago
The Xbox was actually more powerful than the GC. Either way... Neither of them sold very well.
jessupj  +   534d ago
I would gladly buy a high end console from Sony having complete trust they would release amazing games.

Unfortunately, most people don't agree. If Sony released an expensive console, sales would be low. That affects me, because lower sales = lower install base = less developer support.

What I would love to see is Sony's and MSs console released on the say day at the exact same price. Maybe that would force people to do their research and actually buy the right console for them as a gamer.

Either that or it would spark the biggest fanboy war in history with actual casualties.

All I know is I'll be supporting the company that has a real passion for core gaming and wants to push the industry forward.
THC CELL  +   534d ago
Il pay a grand for the next console no problem
mayberry  +   534d ago
Im good with my ps3 for now. Until EVERY game comes out with outstanding graphics, Top notch A.I., superb hit collisions, superior lighting effects and number of lights on-screen at one time, True 7.1 digital surround sound, superior online, huge well made maps, 3D etc... Ill stay with my ps3 and KILLZONE 3!
CDzNutts  +   534d ago
I'm with you all the way on that, mayberry.
Getowned  +   534d ago
"Until EVERY game comes out with outstanding graphics, Top notch A.I., superb hit collisions, superior lighting effects and number of lights on-screen at one time, True 7.1 digital surround sound, superior online, huge well made maps, 3D etc... Ill stay with my ps3"

Sounds like the PS4 to me right there!, but in all seriousness most of the things your asking for are in the hands of the devs that make the games. The PS4 will have the power but its how the devs use it that will make the differance.
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