Gametrailers.com have new GOW trailers!
looks awesome and i cant wait to play it and has got to be one of the best looking games coming out
At how well it didin't look, it's over hyped plain and simple, i'm almost sure this game is gonna dissapoint, one of the main reasons being is that Xbox owners love FPS and this is not a FPS, but if it were crap and they loved it, that would prove they were elisist fanboys and anything they say can't be credited!
first of all im not a microsoft fanboy and i will have all 3 next gen consoles and u know this game looks great
My question is why oh why hasnt the webmaster banned you already because it is obvious that you are purposely just trying to annoy everyone. Man this is umbelievable! You are a rabid, rabid fanboy. how can anyone in their right mind say that this is not the best looking game ever?
The rock, you gotta stop spamming against games that are good. First, this is not a killzone rip off... (the closest it comes to being a rip off from killzone is that its scifi) secondly my manager played this game and said there was no slow down this past week... as to pixelation, most of the footage coming from x06 is off-screen so its not a direct feed and you are at the mercy of the camera... So please, just lay off the xbox bashing and see how much the next generation is benefitting gamers as a whole.
I see you're a big fan of the 360 posting 360 news. Thanks for posting the trailers. Give it up man! you're opinion will not convence millions of people to care about Video games as much as you do on what you think makes a great game and console. You're thoughts make me sick and if you don't stop you're going to be sick in the head.
though i'm definately looking forward to GOW, and while i am not as into online-multiplaying as most 360 gamers, i must admit that i'm a bit concerned about the game's supposed short single-player mode (something in the range of 10 hrs). the game also looks like GRAW on sci-fi steroids, which is actually kinda cool considering GRAW, imo, is 360's best game to date. the graphics are amazing...though after seeing more shots of Mass Effect i'd stop short of calling GOW the 360's best looking game so far. definately one of them, and definately one of the few 360 games that equal just about everything seen on the PS3 so far.
But there are some things I noticed. There's a lot of frequent loading (a loading icon occuring every 30 feet doesn't inspire much confidence and really breaks up the pace), no environmental destruction, very few enemies at once, and not all that much going on. Resistance is a sh*tstorm of action, bullets, enemies, and explosions while Gears seems almost empty by comparison.
'Course, there's always the people that say "The game was built to only have a few enemies and no environmental destruction. It's not a destruction sim; they focused on making great AI instead". Needless to say, it looks like the game was designed this way due to system limitations, especially since the AI did almost nothing intelligent. Sure they stand on the other side of corners when they get shot, but that's about it. When you see someone coming at you with a chainsaw you're supposed to react. The Locust just stood there on the other side of the corner, watched the buzzing chainsaw come at them, and took it in the chest instead of taking evasive action.
In the Developer Walkthrough Part 3, you even seen the player through a grenade right at a Locust's feet, and the Locust just acts totally oblivious. Even the enemies in Killzone run away from grenades as soon as their tossed.
The great qualities are the graphics which look gorgeous and high quality normal mapping and texture work. The dismemberment by grenade was one of the few things that pleasantly surprised me. Unfortunately it looks like it's not all that hot in the gameplay department. I can see this game getting high 7s and low 8s in its reviews, mostly due to graphics. Looks all right, but definitely not 'game of the year' material.
i agree with some of what you said but it looks like so much fun and how many other games can you chainsaw your friend in half?
So how many times are you going to give this routine. You first give a stereotypical compliment of the game like it has good graphics...BUT...and than you try to dissect it negitively.
Just look at your post, there's one line of pro-GOW, than you give a long story about how it sucks. And how other games are better.
Just wait until it comes out, your not going to convince anybody to not buy it. Just the same way with changing peoples decisions about their console. Because people on Gaming sites are hardcore.
I don't really think the ai comment is really warranted yet, because I think the builds we've seen have only been running on the easy difficulty setting.
Gow's an 3rd person tactical Shooter it would defeat it's purpose if it had enemies like 99-nights. RFOM is just an Doom-like standard shoot and run FPS. Look we can say Gows just an Graw, Gows an this Gow's just an that DON"T BUY IT. I mean how many time do i have to tell you RFOM is just another FPS. It's pointless. All games looks like that, and seems like this. SHEEEESH!!!!. You Sony fans that tell us this same old stuff over and over again is a good thing for 360 fans it's telling us that you're so nervous that you're picking apart stupid things that can be picked apart in every game made, past and present. I read some things about that dragon game and how it looks good but has some issue's but do i tell you?, no i'm not buying a PS3 so i don't give a rats ass.
This game looks fantastic, and I have no idea why people are crying. Also i have a little piece i put together called, how i know this is spam:
1. The person voted lame on his own article
2. He posted the first comment saying how he doesnt think it looks good
Seriously, the ingame footage of this game looks better then the CGI Sony showed off. How can you say something doesnt look good graphically when it honestly and truly does? How could some people say this, and Mass Effect, dont look good graphically? I hope that Ps3 devs can get it together and pull together graphics this good. Then it will force 360 devs to do even better (although i dont think its possible graphically).
this does not look better than the cgi sony showed sry. killzone looks alot better and so does motor storm and i am only naming those two because i cant remember the others they showed but i am not saying this game has bad graphics. It has great graphics but the cgi was better and i personally thing sony built a more powerful console so sonys games will look better in a couple of years in my opinion
Sony fanboys are really missing out on a great game. The ROCK is a total joke. In a little over a month you'll see what all the hype is about.
i agree. just like i agree that 360 fanboys may be missing out of some awesome PS3 games. sucks to be a fanboy.
PS3 doesn't really have the titles to envy. Maybe MGS and that a BIG maybe. Yes Killszone CGI did look better than GOW actual gameplay but its a shame that it was only CGI.
the quality of what who has is a matter of personal preference. PS3 fanboys may genuinely feel that the 360 "doesn't really have the titles to envy" and they would be no more right or wrong than anyone else with a personal preference. hence it wouldn't really be fair or accurate to say that "Sony fanboys are really missing out on a great game."
Im simlpy stating that Fanboys both Ps3 and 360 should not right off a game based on what system it's on. Youre right that quality in games is based on personal preference and i tend to like what the 360 has to offer. This doesn't mean i might not get a PS3 at a later date. Maybe when the next ICO and Katamari comes out or if Killzone turns out to be like the E3 Videos.
I dissagree. Both console's graphics will get better over the years. Graphiclly 360 games will all start to look as detailed as Prey and better; with more going on in the game than the PS3 can handle it will allow for more of an complex gameplay experiance. COOL multi threaded things that will breath more life in the games that are made for the 360. Just my opinion. Two years from now Alan Wake will look the way Perfect Dark Zero looks now when it's compared to GRAW we will look back and say remember when we thought Alan Wake looked next-gen.
mince-meat outta mgs4!!!!!!
kojima himself even admits that, the U.S, euro devs for action games are WAY ahead of the japs!!!!!!!!
comparing gears to mgs is like comparing hardcore to soft porn!!
not in the same league!!!!
toe to toe gears will diarhea ALL over mgs ( arthritis looking snake)!!!!
Just plain simple:
1. Rocky you're one of the most die hard Sony fanboys around, you just prove it to yourself and the rest of the world and anyone knows after watching the footage in HD. No discussion possible period
2. This game owns any other game out or coming out on any console in the near future. This is ultimate gaming and an extreme experience. Nothing looks this good, it is and will be totally living up to the hype that is created.
Face it. Anyone. The new king is here. XBOX 360, not only with this game, but also Bioshock (still in SHOCK Sony fanboys that it isn't coming to PS3, while a certain PS magazine said: "it is coming to PS3, trust us"?), Assassins Creed (which will have better AI then the PS3 version), Forza 2, Too Human, Huxley, Halo 3, Lost Planet, Mass Effect, Fable 2, Halo Wars, GTA 4 with exclusive downloadable content, Viva Piniata, PGR4 and all those other games...
That combined and compared to a console that doesn't have the online systems ready yet (see the games that are dropping online support for the PS3 and spec's not known), a controller without rumble that still stinks in many games, like shooters as Gears and the fact it's 33% less expensive for a console that will graphically do about the same...
Easy. Get a 360 and if you like it a Wii with it and spend less or the same and have at least the same amount of fun, if not double or triple it
Listen to this guy, he doesn't think the game is "a real threat" suddenly. He must be scared sjitless of the xbox360 or else he wouldn't come up with these comments. These fanboys are hilarious.
Rock this is a new low for you. Posting a game article just so you can bash it.
I'm not discussing GOW with any Fanboy. I will buy it in November, I will play it, I will enjoy it. That's all that matters.
Tron why the hell am i getting banned, right i was telling the truth about this game, seriously the graphics don't shine like i was told, it looks not so great at some points, your calling me a rabid fanboy, how about you, you must be a rabid fanboy if you get all worked up about someone telling you something bad about your console, in my eyes this game just doesn't look the part it was said to be and that is the truth, the gamesplay looks like it's gonna dissapoint why, because it's third person shooter and Xbox fanboys are expecting a first person shooter and this game looks like many third person games we have seen in the past with uped graphics!
PS: I have a Xbox 1 and i love many of the games on that: Far Cry, Halo 1 and 2, Jade Empire, Half Life 2, Doom 3, Shenmue 2 and i do have PGR racing 2 and Fozra 1 and i dislike both of them, so please call me a fanboy, or mabye i'm speaking the truth!
Was i the only one who saw this trailer and wasen't impressed. Mabye i expect to much but seriously that trailer was not impressive, i've seen lot's of game trailers that have better graphics than that, there heads looked rubbish, so don't bloody acuse me of being a hater, if i were getting a 360 this was one of the games i expected to make me whoa and it simply didin't end of story, you MS fanboys just can't take it i'm right about this, the gam,e ain't as good as advertised or hyped up to be, don't denie it, of course yous are gonna defend this game to the death because it's what yous have been saying makes your console better for months and is the next big thing in gamming, but clearely after watching that trailer it's nothing more than a game that's gonna have not as great graphics as advertised, i expected something better than Killzone 2 from what i have heard and lol can't wait for yous all to play this game so you can all STFU, seriously have fun playing GOW, i know i couldn't give a damm, i'll be playing games much better on PS3, Xbox or PS2; or even PC!
PS: ANYBODY WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH ME SAYING ALL THIS IS A BLOODY DICTATOR, THIS SITE IS TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION ON THE ARTICLE I HAVE DONE SO, SO IF YOU WANT RID O'VE ME FOR THAT, THEN YOU ARE A FANBOY DICTATOR AND AND YOU SHOULD ALSO BE REMOVED, I'M BEING SERIOUS ABOUT THIS POST, I NEVER BASHED THIS GAME ONCE IN THE PAST BECAUSE I HEARD IT WAS AMAZING AND I SAW THE PICS BUT NEVER THE TRAILER, BUT SERIOUSLY I'M GONNA BE THE FIRST TO SAY THIS GAME IS NOT THAT GREAT AND I'M NOT STARTING A FLAME WAR HATRED TOWARDS IT, PLAIN AND SIMPLE THE GAME DOESN'T WHOA ME!
MART STFU YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FANBOY ON THIS SITE NOTHING YOU SAY CAN BE CREDITED, I AM 4 REAL HERE THIS GAME STINKS PLAIN AND SIMPLE OF COURSE YOUR NOT GONNA ADMITT IT, ALL YOUR HOPES HAVE BEEN PLACED ON THIS GAME AND IT HAS DISSAPOINTED IN MY OPINION AND IF I CAN'T SAY THAT THEN WITHOUT GETTING ACCUSED OF BEING A HATER THAN YOU SUCK BIG TIME, SERIOUSLY IT'S ABOUT TIME THIS WAS SAID THIS GAME IS NOTHING MORE THAN SH1T, MAN I WOULD NOT BY A CONSOLE FOR THIS, JUST WAIT UNTILL PEOPLE SEE THIS GAME IN ACTION, THERE GONNA CHOKE LOL, MS XBOX 360 BIGGEST HOPE DOWN THE DRAIN!
MART CASE ISIN'T CLOSED, I DON'T LIKE THIS GAME ATT ALL, YOU KNOW THIS GAME ISIN'T WHAT IST'S MADE UP TO BE, MGS4 LOOKS BETTER THAN THIS NO JOKE SO DON'T GIVE ME YOUR POOR JEALOUSY COMMENTS, YOU HAVE DONE THIS SINCE DAY 1 YOU WERE ON THIS SITE I REMEMBER I WAS ON THIS SITE BEFORE THEY HAD TO REGISTER AND YES I WILL SEE VERY SOON, I WILL SEE HOW CRAO THIS GAME IS, IF IT DIDIN'T HAVE IT'S GLOSSY COAT OF PAINT IT WOULD BE A HORRIBLE GAME, ITHE GRAPHICS AIN'T AS GOOD AS PEOPLE THINK, ALSO MART I LOVE THE PART WHERE YOU GO I'LL BE PLAYING NOTHING BETTER THAN GEARS, LOL HOS THAT I DON'T EVEN LIKE GEARS AND YOU KNOW THE GAMESPLAY STINKS; I SEE GAME'S THAT WILL RIP IT A NEW ARS*E AS FAR AS GAME'SPLAY IS CONCERENED, SO STFU PLEASE CASE CLOSED!
Good to see you used up all your bubbles cause you're talking nonsense all the time. The game trailers you see from Sony are the CGI ones like Killzone 2. Gears gives that but then in real time period.
You're not right about this, your comment stink like Sony fanboy fishbreath. You'll defend the PS3 to death even though we haven't seen no unit running (5 minutes watching only a black case is dull like hell) and the hardware running PS3 games on TGS kept locking up and rebooting.
You'll play nothing better then Gears. That's just in your dreams. Wet ones maybe. Without rumble. You're indeed the only one that wasn't impress. That should say enough. Calling someone else blind while you have no sight yourself is strange. Maybe you should take off the pink Sony glasses. They give a strange blur you'll see in all PS games but you project it on the 360 titles.
PS you're forcing your Sony sight on games by all your comments I've read so far. Like a dictator. Just wait till Christmas if you can't be convinced yet. Yes you may have your own opinion and so may have others. Everyone is thrilled about the game and it's visuals, you're the only one that isn't. That's the final wrap up. Case closed
Rocky, you should fix your caps lock. Shouting isn't a nice thing to do if you are not right. It only makes you look more silly.
Now your bubbles are gone and the edit time is over luckely.
Most things I say have credited links or just specs that Sony gives or doesn't want to give compared to the 360 that's here. You're not real, you're a Sony fanboy.
If you think this game will fail you're really stupid. MS put's all the efforts in this game together with Epic to get it the nr. 1 franchise on 360. The successor on the Halo succes that was leading title but will stop the original Halo series after Halo 3.
Gameplay and graphics stink Rocky boy? Well strange it got so many E3 awards then. And people that played the demo are wowed. Like no other game and especially no PS3 game. Beat it kid. Now the case is closed actually. And they should take bubbles from you because of using name calling, using caps lock shouting when not nescessary in debating and more. Exit
You're just afraid of the main game for the coming time, Gears of War. And the movies show it, it's a blast
Here we go again, its another day but the same BS from DJ. When will you learn that GOW is the hottest game coming to ANY console? You talk about AI as if its impossible that they purposely have the game on the easiest settings for demonstrating the chainsaw kill, tactics, etc. Bro, its just a demo, the dev wants to be able to navigate quickly through the game simply showing off different features as quickly as possible and if the games set at its highest difficulty, it wastes more valuable demo time which is SCRIPTED at press events. Then you state bogus facts about the game being designed with system limitations, when one of the dev's said HIMSELF in one of those interviews that they accomplished EVERYTHING they set out to do originally with GOW....so lets see, should I believe him? or a Sonyfanboy who's jealous that this game is only on the 360? lol, Now comparing a regular FPS like RFOM to GOW is just plain laughable....seriously the gameplay trailers of that game just show's 22 gigs of a descent FPS (my opinion) with "Ratchet and Clank" type weapons, well I guess you could consider that a plus....but hey maybe I'm wrong and it will turn out to be a special game, we'll see??? but according to most reviews from various gaming sites, while most said it was good its still NOT EVEN considered the BEST *PS3 LAUNCH GAME so far, with games like RR7 rated higher....lol, and everyone who's seen or played GOW in person, says its THE game to buy. Don't worry you will get your chance to play it on the 360 when Emergence Day comes.
You're blowing this a tad out of proportion, slow down some. Granted, the comment on the AI being a result of system limitations is unwarranted, because some 360 games have outstanding A.I. in fact. He said it himself though, if the game wasn't showcasing destructive environments and several enemies to focus more on A.I., it wasn't doing a great job because the A.I. wasn't terribly impressive. I think you may have misread that one, but Hell, I might've misread it myself and I could be wrong, but that's just another POV to take into account.
Now, for the most part, the rest of his statements that you contest are purely subjective, especially when you reply with an opinionated remark of your own, it's really little more than beating a dead horse.
"GOW is the hottest game coming to ANY console"
...says who, and you call him a fanboy?
"a Sonyfanboy who's jealous that this game is only on the 360"
again...says who? He even stated what he thought was good about the game, and last time I checked...jealousy is usually accompanied by nothing but derogatory remarks. Also, what about his post implies being a fanboy? Nowhere to be seen is something along the lines of "Sony Rulz!!! M$ SUCKS!!" or "This game is gonna be so bad 'cause I said so!!". Nowhere, the points he made were subjective, but valid.
No destructible environments - check
very few enemies - check, but debatable as to how many one thinks is few, but not a fanboyish comment
not much going on - again, debatable, but not fanboyish. An opinion, although biased, not hostile or unwarranted.
"comparing a regular FPS like RFOM to GOW is just plain laughable"
Why would that be, because that's your opinion, right? Besides that, his comparison was completely valid. He didn't compare gameplay styles, all he was referring to was what was going on around you, plain and simple, and when you take away different control styles, the atmosphere in those two games CAN be compared. Thats like saying you can't compare to crowd in a football game to that in a basketball game. 2 different sports, but of the things they have in common, is a crowd. Just like Resistance and GoW are two different types of shooter, but they both have things that can happen around the player, like bullets flying past, noise, commotion, explosions, smoke screens, death, etc. Maybe if he said something ignorant like "the gameplay in RFOM is better than GoW's!" then it would be foolish, just like saying "Live has better gameplay than Madden!"
"everyone who's seen or played GOW in person, says its THE game to buy"
And how often do you REALLY agree with the masses? I've seen many a movie and played many a game that were commercial successes that I thought completely BLEW, so what everyone else says shouldn't have much to do with your take on a game, unless of course you're more inclined to go by what others say.(not directing that comment towards you, just generalizing) I know I'll probably be flamed for this, but I HATED the LotR trilogy, and remember Titanic, highest grossing film of all time? Yep, throw that one up there too.
Point is, your statements were just as bad if not worse than those you criticized, and all in all, other than your comment about the A.I. didn't say much.
One of the main reasons I'm looking forward to this game is the on-line co-op. I'm pretty isolated gaming wise where I live so I'm really looking forward to playing through the campaign on hard difficulty with a buddy. Being able to say "I'll pin these guys down while you flank left" just seems so cool to me.
On the other hand, one of the things that I'm a little skeptical about are the grenades. It seems that they take too long to throw. I don't think that you can throw them from cover like COD2. It's not a big deal but one that bothers me a bit.
Other than that, this game looks great.
need to shut the f*ck up seriously! They are so upset that 360 continually surpasses PS3 and devours there expectations of what they once thought was the superior console! GOW is a f*cking benchmark game and RFOM has got to be the biggest joke to try and rival with it! Here I am sitting down eating my waffles while browsing for some great news and bam, I come across a posting by none other than the g*yest fanboy of them all the rock and his butt pal DJ! Thanks for f*cking up my breakfast you little slime nutts! What's it gonna take to prove to you guys that PS3 aint got nothin on the power of the 360! I bet my next plate of homemade waffles that GOW will destroy any title from the g*y mans PS3 up until Halo! And can I get my freakin bubbles back please? I post logical sh!t and the rock constantly bashes so why the f*ck would you take my bubbles unless you too are Sony sperms and want to silence me!
one bubble !!! lol !!! Funny guy.............ever wondered why only one bubble? aww, such a shame.............
LOL you knows its funny if this game was a ps3 title, the sony fanboys would be all over it like flys round sh!te
Man that rock dude is a serious [email protected]
Sony creeps are locust get out of your holes so I can shoot ya
I'm really confused why anyone is bashing this game? Honestly it makes no sense to me, this game looks so cool, I honestly don't think that all the hype is just a bunch of publicity stunts...Ign, Gamespot, Etc...have all hyped the graphics yes, but they have hyped more the gameplay. So than a few of you sit here and say "The A.I stinks and the gameplay doesn't look that great" I'm sorry but if I was going to take anyone's word for it, I would take the people who have actually played it, than the opinion of someone who watched a video and says "Eh it stinks" Your comments are really filled with biased remarks whether you believe they are or not. But than again they are your opinion and that is the reason this site was established in the first place. But this demo is just that, a demo done by the developer, alot of things are turned off to show what can be done in the game...we have all seen previous videos where the A.I. was much more impressive, this game has 3 level settings, casual, hardcore, and whatever the unlockable one is called, do you really think they are going to throw the game on super hard and try to do a walk-through? It's just that a walk-through, it's made to show what you will generally see in the game, the moves you'll have available, weapons, etc. It's not made to showcase the A.I. for this game. The graphics in this game are by far superior to anything for the 360, whether they are to launch PS3 games we will see, but the hardware limitations of the console I don't think is a just argument, the textures in this game are very top notch and that takes alot away from what else can be done on the screen, and they have to do what they have to do to get a smooth frame rate, which from what I have seen is very good. But the lack of enemies you see on the screen could or could not be attributed to hardware limitations, I don't think they are because this is a TACTICAL game, they want you to use cover and move stealth like on opponents and flank them. This isn't COD2 people, these characters are WAY more detailed, and if your going to be tactical and stealth you can't do so with 10-15 enemies at once, you would get mutilated, be honest with yourselves, unless you have played this game personally don't comment on things you cannot tell by just watching a video
I read your post and I guess the whole point to your post was that games are subjective and DJ(everyone) has the right to their own opinion. If this is indeed the point of view you were trying to make then....I couldn't agree with you more, if not then please feel free to summarize to me briefly exactly what your point was and I will respond accordingly.
OK, So first of all I want to point out that I never have suggested that "ANY" person shouldn't give their opinion, whether its contrary to my own or not. Obviously this is a game news site and we're all here to give our opinion, so that being said if I disagree with a post, I have the right to express my disagreement by stating my opinion, that doesn't make me right or wrong, its just a counter arguement to the merits of his opinion. With so many people who think differently its impossible that everyone will agree on anything, its just up to each individual to decide which arguement carries more "weight" with them. Now I want to explain a few of my statements which you picked out of my earlier post.
"GOW is the hottest game coming to ANY console."
-You asked; "says who?"...well according to E3 06 it was awarded "Best Console Game",(do you need a link?) now that doesn't mean it is in "fact" THE best game, but it does demonstrate that there is a significant amount of "praise/hype" surrounding this game and it continues to get far more praise than RFOM and thats not my opinion its a FACT its been given more attention than RFOM, so my opinion that this is the "hottest game" coming to ANY console right now....does indeed have SOME merit and I think even PS3 fans have to admit its recieved more praise than any other game right now from both business insiders and average game fans....whether its justified or not is another question.
Then you pointed out that I called him a "Sonyfanboy" and implied that I'm a fanboy also.
-Obviously the "fanboy" term is made up word which could mean different things to different people.....but in general on this site its been used to describe members who have a reputation of being very critical or having a negative attitude towards one console, while blindly supporting another console. So in this sense DJ is DEFINITELY a Sonyfanboy, he has a history of derrogatory, negative attitude towards the 360, while almost always "praising" Sony, of course that is his right, but then you can't cry about me labeling him as such, as a matter of fact I've called DJ a Sonyfanboy many times and maybe I'm wrong but he doesn't cry/disagree with the label, at least he never denied it to me amd BTW we have had our share of debates....so it seems that you're the only one who disagree's with me calling DJ a Sonyfanboy....I suggest you read over some of his older posts. As for myself being a "360 fanboy", I think I have been critical of both consoles, yes I have made it clear that I favor/like 360 more because it has "MORE" of the type of games that "I LIKE" but I do "TRY" to give a "fair" opinion on the news articles that I comment on and I try to make sure that my comments have some validity based on creditable info. I read about in the videogame industry....but if in "YOUR" interpretation this makes me a fanboy too....then by all means its YOUR keyboard.
So in a nutshell yes I'm "GUILTY" of giving my opinion, but I think the difference is that I try to base my opinion off of more than just a "negative attitude" towards a console that I don't like for personal reasons.
"comparing a regular FPS like RFOM to GOW is just plain laughable"
-You asked, "Why would that be..." OK, this is an easy one because DJ is the one who first made the comparison of the two games(his #7 post first paragraph)and yes in my opinion I disagree with him saying that; "Gears of War seems almost empty by comparison", I don't want to sound ticky-tac, but why is it OK for him to give his opinion of how they compare? and when I do it, you sound as if I shouldn't give my opinion in response? I still feel RFOM is just a descent FPS with Ratchet & Clank weapons....as I said before its just my opinion....nothing more, nothing less....we'll let the readers judge for themselves.
"everyone who's seen or played GOW in person says its THE game to buy"
-Again I say this because DJ compared the two games, which in my opinion its not even close...so to add to my point of view I made this statement which I'm sure other readers have read statements like this from those who have had an opportunity to play the game....while RFOM has also recieved some praise from those who have seen or played it, its not been given the same level of praise as GOW, and sites like Kotaku if I recall basically said it was mediocore....again its subjective but until we play it ourselves, I would rather believe what insiders say, than believe DJ. So your whole "agreeing with the masses" theory is flawed....yes, of course something can be popular and to "SOME" or even "MANY people still be a average or poor product, but in general videogames that recieve game awards recognition usually turn out to be pretty damm good to "MOST" people.
Its seems to me that you went through my post and you interpreted my opinions as if I was trying to say that my opinions were absolutely totally correct. I don't know why you interpreted what I said in that way because as you can see they were counter points/opinions specifically directed in response to DJ's post. I realize there will never be an "ABSOLUTE" answer about anything concerning personal preferences, but I think that "MOST" reasonable people can agree that "dog poo" STINKS!
The bottom line is for me its all about the games, so for all the people who are jealous of GOW because they hate the 360, then just take a deep breath and let it go.....relax...there you go, ahhh.... but if you just can't resist it go to a friends house and if you beg maybe they might just let you play or buy a 360, either way Emergence Day is coming!
I think you may have misunderstood my post as you say I have yours, my mistake, but I'm not seeing the responses clearly here...
"GOW is the hottest game coming to ANY console"
Your response to my comment regarding this quote seemed as if it were mainly about hype or praise determining whether a game is "hot" or not. This again goes right in line with my supposedly flawed "agreeing with the masses" remark. You say it's your opinion, but the way you stated it, and especially how you defend it in your response, make it seem as though you base your opinion entirely from what someone else is saying. Notice how in your response you said NOTHING of why YOU think it's the hottest game, but rather referencing E3, attention and praise it's been recieving from various others, that's something that marketers do. GAMERS on the other hand, CONSIDER a second opinion, but come to their own conclusion after weighing the pros and cons.
I'm not saying you can't take someone else's view into account, but it seems that your opinion is very deeply rooted in another individuals opinion, and if that's the case, can you really claim it as your opinion? You say my remark on agreeing with others is flawed, but you basically proved my point, the shoe fits right there. Maybe my quote "says who" was interpreted wrong, I meant it in a more rhetorical fashion than literal, and for that I apologize.
"a Sonyfanboy who's jealous that this game is only on the 360"
Didn't seem as though you read my entire response to this one, or perhaps just chose not to respond to the rest of it, focusing more on turning it into a discussion about fanboys. That's fine, I've got no problem repeating myself.
You didn't respond to when I said what exactly about his post implies being a fanboy, because again, as I stated earlier, he never made any sort of attacks on MS and blind praise of Sony. Again, as I said earlier, the points he made were indeed subjective, but were valid because nowhere to be found was a derogatory remark, and one of his first comments was about the improvement in graphics, and later on went on to say he was pleased with how the enemies were dismembered from the blast, so explain to me how that's unfair and derogatory? A gamer weighs pros and cons, which is exactly what he did, a fanboy is COMPLETELY one-sided, and I think you can agree with me on that one.
Anyway, moving on to what you were saying...
you say he has a history of derogatory remarks, but I find that to be for the most part untrue IMO. In fact, he seems a lot like you if you ask me. You both seem to be intelligent individuals who have chosen their particular favorites based on what the competitor has to offer. Whenever I see a comment of his in an Xbox section, granted, it always seems to come with a critique of some sort of flaw, but with that comes what he thinks is one of the good points of said game. As I said earlier, a fanboy will never have anything good to say of another console, and I'm not pointing any fingers here, but you know who they are, spouting off irrelevant, pointless statements that usually say nothing in particular, mostly along the lines of "I HATE THIS CRAP!! SONY RULZ!!" Can you honestly say you've seen DJ say something remotely close to that? If you can, I will gladly stand corrected, I've got no shame in admitting when I'm wrong. Also, about me being the only one disagreeing with you about him...you know good and well that theres several people here that don't consider him a fanboy, whether they voice it or not, but besides that, there goes the argument supported by others again...why should me not sharing everyone's view matter? I have read his and your older posts by the way, I just don't comment too frequently, and like I said, you and him seem quite alike, it's just one prefers MS, and the other Sony. I generally see intelligent, comparative and well thought out posts from both of you, albeit with opposite allegiances. For the record, I wasn't meaning to call you a fanboy, again, my mistake. I simply meant it was similar to a comment fanboys usually make, as they often throw the jealousy card around, when we all know it's pretty ridiculous to be jealous of a console, because none of us fall under MS and Sony's payroll...I hope.
"comparing a regular FPS like RFOM to GOW is just plain laughable"
Once more it seems as though you only responded to a small portion of what I was saying. You still make it seem as though he gave a head to head analysis of the two titles, when, yet again I say, all he compared, was the atmosphere, plain and simple. All in all though, it seems as though I may have misread your response, as you say you were referencing when he said GoW seems nearly empty by comparison. I wasn't trying to say you were wrong in giving your opinion, it just seemed that by the way you worded it that they shouldnt be compared at all.
"everyone who's seen or played GOW in person says its THE game to buy"
Here's where you said my comment about agreeing with others didn't make sense...yet you say it yourself that you would rather believe what others say than believe DJ. I never said you "should" believe anybody, let alone DJ, but you just told me that you're listening to someone else, cut and dry. You even suggest that RFOM looks less than spectacular because...and I quote..."NOT EVEN considered the BEST *PS3 LAUNCH GAME so far, with games like RR7 rated higher". You more or less said that you dont prefer resistance because the majority of "insiders" don't. That whole comparison has nothing to do with what you yourself thinks, but rather how everyone else "rates" the particular games. You said you were simply making counter-points, but how can you claim someone else's opinions and judgements as YOUR argument?
OK, first of all I want to clarify something since you pointed it out a few times, you said:
"Didn't seem as though you read my entire response to this one, or perhaps just chose not to respond to the rest of it..."
-OK, I thought I was giving an ample response to the things you pointed out, but of course I did not touch on each and every detail because basicly, I tried to summarize my thoughts about each specific topic and then of course say whats on my mind. I have no problem responding to any particular point, but its not like we're on the telephone talking, and really I think my response's were adequate to the merits of each point as a whole.....I will answer any specific questions I'm asked but if you ask a broad question, I can't neccessarily cover everything....my previous post took me about 25 min. or so, and really I don't want to spend that much time on one post.
Now in regards to me saying GOW is the hottest game issue....seriously I think you really are "overthinking" this one....because the point of me referencing E3 06 was only to further my opinion/add creditablity that GOW was the hottest game etc. and thats because "YOU" asked "Why would that be..." Then you make it sound as if I'm only blindy listening to critics, NO...but anybody can say "I believe Terminator 3 was the best FPS last gen"...and thats fine, thats their opinion...you can't prove him wrong because its his opinion, but I think if he could find other source's to back up what he's saying it would add some creditablity to his belief. Also, if you indeed have read my pasts posts you would know that "I" definitely like GOW, from what I've seen the graphics, gameplay, style, presentation, story, features, chainsaw gun etc. are very exciting to me, Im impressed so far this game just has the "it factor" in my opinion, but at the same time we are talking about games none of us have played except for insiders in the industry, as I mentioned in my previous post this doesn't mean they are always right, but until we play it, its "BETTER" than listening to a Sonyfanboy like DJ. Which brings me to my next point.
Yes, according to my perception of the term fanboy as I explained earlier DJ is a "Sonyfanboy" in every sense of the word. I stand by my statement.....I totally disagree with YOUR perception of us being the same except on different sides.....but if thats YOUR perception of me, then by all means, "Call it like you see it"....let the readers judge for themselves. BTW, yes a gamer does way the PRO's and CON's but sorry I disagree with your statement "a fanboy is "COMPLETELY" one sided" which shows you have a different perception of what a fanboy is, because I don't know how you can logically say if he admits a few good things but then 95% say something derrogatory about the console/games then he's just being objective gamer, because he's not saying PS3 rulez! Genki, come on, thats very naive to say the least.....its like Republicans, Democrats, and Independents....if your views about the issues are "MOSTLY" conservative then you are labeled a Rep/Conservative, Dems/liberals, Ind/the middle thinkers.....so in gaming terms those who genuinely express favorable and unfavorable opinions for both console are what I would consider "gamers"....and yes you can like one console "MORE" and still be a gamer, just not be overwhelmingly biased...NO, thats a fanboy in my opinion.
Now speaking specifically about the GOW, RFOM comparison made by me; again that was my opinion of from what we've seen so far, for the record I wasn't saying that they "shouldn't be compared at all" -as you said, what I was saying is that in MY opinion RFOM isn't nearly as good from what "I" have seen, the way I phrased it was a "figure of speech", not a statement meant to be taken literally.
Now, I think I've sufficiently covered your questions from your last paragraph, but I will emphasize it one more time....I used the example of E3 awards as a means of adding creditability to my arguements...again doesn't prove me RIGHT, but its better than just saying "I believe..." with NO supporting info. I thought it was apparent that "I" like GOW, since "I" was "DEFENDING" the game, its not ROCKET SCIENCE, but next time I'll remember to say that "I" agree with the very sources that "I" used in MY post.....and Genki, of course I'm not going to blindy buy every game they recommend, but at least its a start, so I will still give the "insiders" the benefit of the doubt before a fanboy, until I play the game for myself.
but this is a discussion, so I'll assume half the blame for it. The original point I was really trying to get across before running off into several tangents was that you were simply overreacting, or as you put it in terms of my response overthinking what DJ said. I'll get back to that.
"Now in regards to me saying GOW is the hottest game issue....seriously I think you really are "overthinking" this one"
I actually agree with your logic in relation to backing up your opinions so you would sound more credible...just not in the same manner you would. Now, in what way does referencing ANOTHER opinion make your own more credible...?
Example: let's say you read that Joe said a new digital music player was good, and since you already like that particular brand, you'll back up your opinion with his, and it will come out something like this "I like this player a lot! Oh, and Joe said it was good, so that means it's definitely gonna be one of the best out there, he actually got to try it!" Notice how that states nothing in terms of the UI, looks, loading times, capacity, and any other feature that could supplement your opinion. On the other hand, you could do some research, figure out what YOU may end up liking about the player, and base your conclusion from your own observation and research, rather than a first hand biased account. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with bias, because it is, after all, inherent to human beings. Consider the alternative though, that you can read about things like the gameplay style, look at screenshots, videos, developer interviews and things of that nature, and come up with an opinion more based on things you've found yourself. Obviously, you won't get to play it, but believing someone else is fundamentally flawed, whether it's DJ or an "insider", because ultimately, they won't think the same way you do, fanboy or not.
I understand your perception of the term fanboy, I won't and can't argue with that, it's perfectly viable. In terms of subjectivity, perception is reality, right? Of course. Now, the only dispute I have is how you categorize him into that, when it doesn't make much sense based upon what he just and previously has posted. You said it yourself, that an overwhelming percentage of derogatory remarks more or less makes someone a fanboy, right? Well, Im sorry, but I find it hard to call remarks like "frequent loading, no environmental destruction, few enemies, and not much going on" malicious. Critical I believe would be a more accurate term to describe such statements, as there's nothing within them that is a direct or even indirect insult. The comments were simply a negative critique, and there is a fine line between negative, and here we'll say derogatory. Derogatory comments are negative, but a negative comment isn't necessarily derogatory. Think of constructive criticism; isn't that a form of negative commentary? it certainly isn't positive, but it's not insulting or slanderous, unless of course you're dealing with a rather immature individual, which is clearly not the case here. If I told my friend he was driving too fast, thats not an insult, is it? It's not praising him, but it's not exactly tearing him down. See what I'm getting at here?
I'll agree with you that the comment about the game design being due to system limitations being somewhat insulting, if not then at the very least arbitrary. The thing is though, you said yourself, an overwhelming amount of slanderous input is what, by your definition, classifies a fanboy, and in that post, and I'll ask you to please read it again, taking into consideration what I've just said perhaps, that single comment about the system limitations is all that's remotely close. Everything else is little more than observational critique, although opinionated.
Anyway, I'm not the type of person who has a problem admitting when there wrong, I feel that being proven wrong can go hand in hand with guidance and enlightenment, so long as it's done so tactfully. Case in point; I think you're right that I overthought, as you put it, some of your remarks, my mistake. I also agree with you now about your perception of a fanboy, that comparison to political allegiance was spot on. With this in mind, don't you think you could go back, look at that post in relation to your response of it, and see that maybe you may have mis-judged him as well?
That's mainly what I was trying to get at in the first place, though I side-tracked myself in an effort to respond to your comments. Anyway, whatever the case may be, I'm about done with this one, thanks for keeping this discussion intelligent and free of the childish attitude that plagues one too many forums(including this one) across the net, and I hope that I may have offered the same courtesy.
First of all I want to apologize to the other members who have endured both of our long back and forth conversation....feel free to disregard/skip our little talk if you haven't done so already.
I had to get that off my chest because I hate to clog up the page with my long posts and I know other members just want to read brief comments related to the article, I think you agree also Genki.
Now I will try to keep this response brief, you said:
"Now, in what way does referencing ANOTHER opinion make your own more credible...?"
-Yes I think it DOES make your opinion MORE credible, because simply put, since all people will never agree with any single opinion or idea, everytime someone agrees with your position it adds to the creditability of that position/opinion. Obviously it would be impossible to get every gamers opinion on any game, thats why we have these "smart guys" who are "suppose" to know alot about games, and make a living giving critiques....do you blindly listen to them, NO...but they can be a part of the "RESEARCH" you are talking about. Trust me I could break down this concept even further but I'm trying to be brief, basicly its simple math, if 51% of the people agree with you then your position/opinion has MORE creditability....it still doesn't make you RIGHT, just creditable, theres a difference. Its just like the common misconception that people think the sky is blue, when in fact; actually its not blue, but as you said perception is reality thats why even the "Weatherman" says "today is going to be a nice day with sunny BLUE SKIES", I'm sure he knows its actually not BLUE, but the majority perception is what people remember, so hopefully this answers your question, yes -if your buddy Joe agrees with you it makes your position/opinion MORE creditable, but not much.....now if a group of critic's who's jobs revolve around games agree with your position/opinion then thats alot more significant/creditable....yes, in a perfect world you could push a button and you would instantly have the results of everyone's opinion in the whole world, but sadly thats not the world we live in, so I hope you understand the point by now.
Anyway, again I apologize to all who have endured my long posts, but I'm a sucker for a good intelligent debate.....and Genki, while I do feel like you tend to "overthink" my points, I still appreciate you giving your comments in an mature fashion. Thats all, thanks.
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