DSOGaming writes: "Man, things are not looking good for writers working on all triple-A gaming sites. Yesterday, Eurogamer has posted Rob Florence’s opinion piece about Geoff Keighley, video game journalism, Doritos and Mountain Dew. Naturally, this topic got hot immediately and a lot of people accused Robert for his article. What followed then, though, surprised most of us, as Eurogamer decided to amend Robert’s article."
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Seriously, his job is to advertise... he might have been a journalist when he was still with gamespot, but now look.
He produces the VGA's
He promotes food and beverages associated with games
He promotes new games
I never took him as a journalist, but rather an advertiser
Go to his profile on Wiki and say that. The point is, everyone sees him as such and calls him as such.
So, doesn't really matter what an individual perceives, it's what he is actually called and advertised as.
Its hard to play whistle-blower when you have your hand in the cookie jar. Seems capricious. The whole system is corrupt. They only credible "news" you can get from video games journalism are screenshots and trailers; so that you can see the product and decide if you want to buy it.
All the rest is just product placement and - mostly uniformed - opinion pieces, which we can all do without.
But it's also very brave and commendable to have a writer stand up to that BS. These so called journalists sacrificed this entire generation of gaming just for few clicks and hits on their websites. Pitting PS3 fans against Xbox360 and taking their eyes off the real issues plaguing the industry.
It's really a disservice to us gamers. From pixel counting to caring about made up weekly sales figures, meanwhile, xbox 360 gamers went through some of the worst defective electronics ever made, and are still paying for services that are free elsewhere. Almost every new game have day 1 DLCs, almost every new games needs to be patched, yet the watchdogs are busy eating chips.
When these things go unchallenged, it doesn't become just an xbox or PlayStation issue, it becomes an issue for all gamers, as most of the industry would rather nickle and dime us if they're given the opportunity. So these practices are something that all gamers should unanimously fight against.
Sigh....I feel slightly better now that I've got that off my chest.
I've bought (and avoided) quite a few games because I liked (or didn't like) what I saw on a stream, and I've never regretted a purchase since.
Back in the 80's as a young gamer we spread the news about games by word of mouth. Sure we had magazines, there was no internet as we know it, but they weren't cheap and it's always better to talk about gamges face to face with your friends. If you bought a stinker that was your fault. Personal responsibility. Sure reviews account for something but the way "gamers" bitch and moan about games journalism you'd think people would pay them no mind about anything game related. Yet here we are talking about games on a gaming site.
Furthermore it wasn't just 360 gamers that got shafted this generation. Sony and Nintendo both did their own dirt.
Some of the comments here are just sad. How can just disrespect someone like that over videogames? His job is to give people information about games. He doesn't get into this is better than that. If all of you are such good writers, honest, well informed and thinking that game journalism needs reformation then do something about it. If not then shut up. You're like people who complain about the government but you don't vote.
It's futile to vote. One vote never changes the result.
When I was a kid in the 80's I bought games based on cover art alone. LOL!
I dont think Geoff is an asshole
Not trustworthy.
It's different with celebrities and the like that take on sponsorship deals. To be a journalist, to be someone that claims to speak and report from a position of non-bias, it is ESSENTIAL to distance yourself from these outside influences for the sake of impartiality and journalistic integrity. It's just a clear conflict of interest, and someone that falls into bed with these sponsors so readily and so openly and then claims to be, or is at least looked upon as an "expert" industry consultant, is, in fact, and asshole as far as I'm concerned.
If you don't believe me, here you go...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Geoff is affiliated with the GameTrailers website
Angry Joe agrees with you. I think he said over and over again that this wasn't the environment to host a interview but that was all he was offered.
I am not the biggest fan of Angry Joe. I respect him but the whole "angry" aspect really turns me off to him most of the time.
He hit it head on with this though. Interview or not, as I stated in the original post Knightly is one of the major players in helping major corporations push their way into the gaming market and squeeze every penny out of gamers.
It's just one of those guys that you know really deep down that hes just there to get cash first and foremost. I honestly can't imagine him actually being more than a very very light casual console gamer.
I mean we all know gaming journalism is a mess. Too many amateurs reviewing games and journalists that hold bias with certain publishers not giving games what they deserve or giving games high scores that should be lower but naming and shaming with no proof is slander plain and simple.
The main revenue that gaming websites get are from advertisement - they have yo be bias or they wont make any money - lets say Haze had paid Ignition to advetise Haze and they had to review it...do you think the Haze develoeprs would appreciate Ign giving Haze a bad review.
After that Mass Effect 3 thing it was obvious who was who in the gaming industry.
Never again...never again...
This is a shame, as the piece was spot on, and Eurogamer have lost a funny and talented writer. Check out Rob Florence's Consolevania stuff on youtube, anyone who describes Peter Molyneux as a "polo neck wearing effeminate nazi dracula" is good in my book.
All this has created a complete Streisand effect and only highlighted the original article. It's sadly, also meant that the female writer questioned in the pre-censored version has been subject to a torrent of misogynistic abuse.
Great going games journalism!
Just don't write important stuff about important stuff.
Who gives a shit if he gets sponsored by corporate giants? People don't rely on him for his opinion. They rely on him to inform us about games. Simple as that.
He's not objective - he's amoral.
What, are full-grown adults going to beat him up and take his lunch money?
This whole thing is just sad.
And he's right, Kieron Gillen deserves his place as a legendary gaming writer. When I read PC Gamer throughout the 90's he made me want to follow in his footsteps. Witty, informative and knowledgeable. Now however, i'd avoid that path like the plague. Integrity in journalism is dead.
Everything is monitored, and kept under control.
The edits pertain to some disputable practices by freelance writer Lauren Wainwright and her relationship with Square-Enix, given that she posted some slavishly complimentary tweets about the next Tomb Raider.
This was further explored on Twitter today when people accused her of serving as a communication consultant for Square-Enix, to which she admitted, but said that it didn't represent a conflict of interest, as she never reviewed a SE game... until someone posted a review she had done of Deus Ex HR.
If there were thousands of dollars stuffed in envelopes being passed under tables then maybe... Just maybe.
Wonder if the writer will be black listed for blasting the industry.
If you like him that's cool, but personally I think the guy is a brat and makes gamers look bad.
Salute the dude for stating what we knew was happening. He had the guts to write it.
If a game is released and it has say 10 reviews, 9 of those reviewers have been sweetened up a bit with freebies etc and the 1 hasn't. The 9 give glowing reviews and the 1 gives it a score it deserves, whose score do you think the average reader will pay the most attention to? The overwhelming majority or the one guy who probably doesn't know what hes talking about...
Using Eurogamer as an outlet for that is just sad given that it's, well, Eurogamer. I mean honestly, what is this accomplishing? A whole lot of nothing. The only people who seem to care are the people posting on the internet who are (thankfully) not among the majority.
It's fine if you see a point in all of this, but I honestly don't.
I think it just comes down to a level of perceived corruption in the industry that most people believed was going on (fixed review scores etc) but had no evidence.
Most people are losing focus of the fact this isn't really about Geoff K but about the journalists promoting games. They are supposed to be giving impartial reviews yet they are being all snuggly with the related PR peeps. Like it said in the article, these people should fear reputable journalists as they have the ability to make or break their products. Instead, these 'reputable' journalists are taking indirect bribes to some extent.
To be fair, it is probably no different to any other media industry but its the fact its been made public and a few people have been woken up.
But for the record, I quite like Geoff Keighley. :)
And Geoff Keighley is an ass, an arrogant guy. I wonder how he would be if he was the USA president.
Plenty of episodes he'd say "What about playstation"
But as a guy in his position , he has to pretend to be excited for some stuff he might not be as interested in and also bend over for the advertisers and some of the "AAA" developers. He has to cave in to the Halo+machine and lick Rockstar's balls as much as possible like every other mainstream site ... because they help drive the media machine that is mainstream journalism.
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