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Submitted by armycore 638d ago | news

Tekken Tag Tournament 2 to be modified due to use of "Allah" in Saudi Arabia stage

Original-Gamer.com: "Tekken Tag Tournament 2 producer, Katsuhiro Harada, received multiple tweets from concerned gamers over the placement of "Allah" on the floor of the Saudi Arabia stage in the game. Harada was quick to respond on his Twitter that they did not know that "Allah" was on the floor and will be changing it as soon as they can." (Arcade, PS3, Tekken Tag Tournament 2, Wii U, Xbox 360)

Gaetano  +   638d ago
Pathetic.
omarzy  +   638d ago
How is this pathetic? Some people find this offensive and no harm is done for respecting these concerns.

Am i to understand that you have never in your life been offended by something and made that known to an offender?
killerhog  +   638d ago
People make fun of Catholics and Christians and it doesn't offend me. I see portraits of Jesus in some games and movies and that doesn't offend me. Why? Be cause we have freedom of speech here in the USA. I don't care if you're Muslim I'll say or depict what I want. Don't like it take your butt back to Iran or the Middle East. Muslims want to pass the sharia laws here in the western countries, sorry wont happen nor will I let it happen. Women, kids, men, homesexuals have the freedom and the right to believe what they want, the right to wear what they want, the right to do what they want and say what they want. This isn't Iran where saying you hate the president will get you shot.
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Hoje0308  +   638d ago
What's pathetic is that the changes are made out of fear, because one particular sect of yet another bullshit Abrahamic religion is noticeably more neurotic than the other two. Also, anyone that's offended by a word needs to grow up instead of expecting the rest of the world to babysit them.
omarzy  +   638d ago
@killerhog

"Women, kids, men, homesexuals have freedom and the right to do what they want and wear."

yeah.....this discussion is done.
ChickeyCantor  +   638d ago
" Be cause we have freedom of speech here in the USA "

I bet you keep using that, I don't think you know what it means though.
Bathyj  +   638d ago
No harm is done if you are offended either.

People these days do more damage over apparent "insults" than the insult itself actually caused.

I'm sure one of the holy books says to turn the other cheek, but I guess thats not in all of them.
killerhog  +   638d ago
Freedom of speech is a freedom to express yourself either through verbal communication, writing or imagery, appearance and believe. If it doesn't incite violence or criminal activities of course. Using or saying Allah does not incite violence unless YOU used violence to get me to retract it, which in case YOU'RE at wrong.

Maybe I should of been a bit clearer in my first post, but I think it gets the point across.
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The Great Melon  +   638d ago
@killerhog

All they did was mention that the word 'Allah' was on the floor. Nothing else transpired. It is well within their right to bring this to the developer's attention as it is for you complain about the developer's response.

Now this story would be far more interesting if the developers made a statement that they made had a mistake and in response put more names of gods on the floor so that everyone can be equally offended. This would put a big grin across my face.
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HammadTheBeast  +   638d ago
@Killerhog

Yet, saying communism is great gets you shat on in the US. Some freedom of speech. Also, what benefit does putting that name there bring to the game? Is it for "authenticity"?

Also, it's peoples freedom of speech that allows them to object against these things. Please, continue, I'd like to hear more backwards views. Also, "Muslims want to pass sharia law here". WTF?! You just went full retard. How is this relevant or even true for that matter? You say "everyone can believe what they want". Lol your post is so hypocritical it's not even funny.
Ranma1   638d ago | Offensive
FOXDIE  +   638d ago
I see many ignorant and anti-muslim comments.....

+ Killerhog, your a fake. You have no beliefs because if you did then you would get offended.
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HammadTheBeast  +   638d ago
I wouldn't mind them if people knew what they were talking about.
ElitaStorm  +   638d ago
religion will destroy us, we must prevail!!!!!!!!!!
FOXDIE  +   636d ago
yeah Religion will destroy us, not MEN!
thegame0707  +   638d ago
First the Favela MW2 map now this ? lol
spicelicka  +   638d ago
There's millions of arabic words to choose from when designing the game, just google "arena in arabic" or something and use that, it's not hard.

But it iss admirable that they're considering changing it just from fan feedback.
Majin-vegeta  +   638d ago
Omg really??I would have said don't like it??Don't buy it simple as that.
spicelicka  +   638d ago
how about you just don't comment. simple as that.
Kyosuke_Sanada  +   638d ago
But it isn't even that much of a deal because it isn't used in an offensive light. I'm sure there is plenty of gods and deities written all over the place in real life if you look hard enough but it's no reason to go to the President.
Blasphemy  +   638d ago
They didn't know it was there? LOL
omarzy  +   638d ago
Yeah, that part was bs. It is good that they are removing it, but Japanese game developers do not use an Arabic world for God without knowing.
r21  +   638d ago
How the hell did he even see that? If there werent the red highlights, I wouldnt even notice Allah in there :L I say this even as a muslim, its kinda ridiculous.
Hicken  +   638d ago
I'd like to ask a question of you, if I may. And I don't think you're the type to get upset over this, and no offense is meant, either.

Do Muslims similarly observe the taboos of other religions? Admittedly, I don't know very many Muslims- or am not in contact to ask them this question- but I feel like many Muslims are quick to take offense, feeling that respect is not given to their beliefs, yet do not extend that same courtesy.

What's your experience with this?
r21  +   638d ago
Well, what i can tell you is that all muslims arent the same. They are those that get offended quite quickly and there are those like me that stay calm and respect others. We are taught to be patient and to respect others, be they a muslim or not :)

I hope this answers your question.
SAE  +   638d ago
R21 is right , muslims have different views , because muslim countries are living in a sort of silent war , they are trying to survive what happening to them for tens of years , thats why its hard to know these different views , people judge us for what they saw from few and ignore a billion muslim ...

I never noticed the ALLAH name , some do search because they have a feeling the game try to offend them and this may been discovered by mistake , i felt that in call of duty and many games , but most of us that play games only hear this from news like in here , so dont judge us and say we muslims search for these things , we hate to see these things so why would i search for it , but when i know it offend me i will speak , it is my right..
Blasphemy  +   637d ago
If I had to guess? It was someone who made the game or someone in the know who pointed it out to everyone.
ChickeyCantor  +   638d ago
Fun fact : Christians who speak Arabic refer to "God" as Allah as well.
TheFinalEpisode  +   638d ago
Breaking News:The internet gets taken down because of this article.
kopicha  +   638d ago
wow.....
GrahamGolden  +   638d ago
those muslims seriously...still think we live B.C
b_one   638d ago | Immature | show | Replies(1)
DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   638d ago
Many Religions gets picked on but, in recent times some muslims have taken it to an extreme. Now we have to censor stuff in games just so they don't get pissed off. A minoirty of them probably would've attacked namco.
AO1JMM  +   638d ago
I'm offended by the word Jesus so I want the entire internet purged of its use.

/s
magus  +   638d ago
Mean while there are people coming to my front door pushing their beliefs on me.
FEARprototype  +   638d ago
insulting people will not get you anywhere.
it's good that Katsuhiro Harada is a respectable man and truly love the fighting community and has proven many time and i don't think he will like people fighting over this.
Parapraxis  +   638d ago
Religion is such bullshit.
Stop caving to the whim of every insecure fucker out there who can't handle having their beloved prophet depicted, let alone mentioned.
Yeah, the stage said "Allah"...how is this offensive? You know what is offensive, restricting women's rights and indulging in barbaric bullshit sharia law.
I dislike all religions, but islam has a special place for me, one where logic and reason has absolutely no chance of reaching the brainwashed muslim masses, and where acting the same way your ancestors did 2000 years in the past is to them something to be proud of.
IT'S NOT.

No apologies. There are some cultures that just need to catch up. PERIOD.
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b_one  +   638d ago
hah they tagged my post as immature and -1 bubble;) muslims i supose rule the internetz or we are to much on political corectness it will kill us someday ;) and i didnt forgot or wanted to add is bullshit there... no... just wanted to test if just mentioning it will cause havoc... and it did ;> lols...
Studio-YaMi  +   638d ago
Ok listen ..

People in the gaming community get pissed-of because Muslims are making a fuss whenever there is something offending their religion in a video game .. ok ummm

WHY would you consider adding something from the Islamic religion in a game to begin with if you know that Muslims are going to get offended !?

If you ask me,others are trying to take jabs at Islam whenever they could & when it blows up,apologize and remove something from the game or ban it,then the gaming community gets riled up blaming Muslims for being over sensitive ..!

Just an analogy...
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Mocat  +   638d ago
I could not have said it any better.
Studio-YaMi  +   638d ago
Well,thank you
it's just how I see it :)
MacDonagh  +   638d ago
If I so may reply to this; I sincerely doubt that the Namco team would've deliberately put it in unless it suited the theme of that particular level. Saudi Arabia is an Islamic theocratic monarchy and it's rather odd to not have anything representing that particular religion from that place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

It's not the first time that Muslims have stepped into having a game changed because it disagrees with their sentiments. One game I can think of would be the Ocarina of Time which had a soundtrack for the Fire Temple level. It wasn't as if Nintendo went out of their way to "insult" Muslims, but to use something unique and interesting to give an added resonance in a level.

I doubt Namco meant to do what they did. Cultural ignorance or merely working with the themes of a level? It may be one or the other or maybe both.

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Studio-YaMi  +   638d ago
Well,I'm not saying that they did it intentionally,but you have got to wonder why would they (developers of video games,movie producers or TV shows & cartoons) would refer to anything from the Islamic religion without "First" understanding what it means or if it's proper to use it in that place...

I'm not attacking anyone here but it's bugs me when people start cursing or attacking Islam or Muslims when you obviously must attack the root of the problem which is the people who use these Islamic symbols or chanting without knowing how it would react on Muslim beliefs & the Muslim community.

I for one respect freedom of speech,to be able to express yourself to the fullest without filters but I despise using that same freedom to attack others especially religion ! As much as you have the right to attack religion,use it,talk about it and discuss it,the people behind that religion have the right to defend it and be upset about using their religion in a bad or disrespectful way.

It's not just Ocarina of Time,other games did it,like that Little Big Planet 2 sound track which was about someone reading from the Quran,or using it in Japanese anime like JOJO's Bizarre Adventure when Dio(the main villain) was reading from the Quran while sitting one leg over the other which is a disrespectful way of reading the Holy Quran in the Muslim's belief & many other example...

I'm sure lots of these incidents were not meant for or deliberately put their as an insult to the Muslim faith,but some of these makes me wonder if it's meant to be a trigger for Muslims to react and blow up(no pun intended!) the whole thing out of proportion so that they get dissed at from lots of communities,even though Muslim extremest are doing a great job at that as it is..!

Anyways,that's how I feel,if you don't want Muslims complaining,don't include them in your projects,if you do want to reflect their beliefs or culture in your work,at least know what you're dealing with so that it doesn't show up as if its meant to disrespect them.

BTW,sorry but English isn't my first language (=.=")..!

EDIT :
Sorry for the long comment too u_u ..
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MacDonagh  +   638d ago
@Studio-YaMI Thank you for the thoughtful reply. In my opinion, all of those incidents are incredibly dangerous towards the freedoms of speech and expression. I understand your viewpoint about being aware of a religion's tenets and to be receptive to it. However, I cordially disagree that there shouldn't be anything related to Islam in a video game. It'd be strange to have a fighting stage in Saudi Arabia to not have anything to do with Islam since it's primarily a Muslim theocratic monarchy.

Let us take an example of a game like Assassin's Creed for instance. In the first Assassin's Creed game, you star as a bloke called Desmond Miles who can travel back into his genes to replay genetic memories of his ancestors. One of his ancestors' full names is Altaïr ibn-La'Ahad who is part of an assassin brotherhood where he goes about slaughtering Templars who are searching for the pieces of Eden. Now, where are the hand-wringing Christians who are upset over the way the Templars are depicted in this game? How about in Assassin's Creed 2 where you fight the Pope and his various bodyguards? Was there any uproar from that?

I can understand that people should be respectful to a group's culture, but in my opinion, a person/group's right to say or do what they will deserves greater protection than the general consensus because what they have to say may have taken a great effort to come up with and might even hold a grain of truth; allowing us to learn and challenges us to become sure of the facts that we've become accustomed with.

It's easy to express an opinion if the general consensus abides by it but any opinion must be defended against any consensus, any government and any mind cops who deign to think otherwise.
SAE  +   638d ago
Bubble for you. Yami

Its better then saying "pathatic" , some people think they are too smart then muslims and think they are sensitive just to defend what they believe , that defending only means they have feelings for their believes and sticking for what they see is good ..

Islam isnt the problem here , its people ethics ..

I dont think this was made to insulte muslims , just a mistake because they are fixing it not like other developers , i am a muslim and i support tekken developers with proud ..

If anyone have problem with islam then prove we are wrong instead of insulting us , make us love what you believe not hate it ..
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kopicha  +   638d ago
You want an explanation? Have it. That is because there is no other religion that would spend much time finding these faults rather than actually enjoying the game itself.

Picture frame in the toilet of COD, And need to use a sniper gun to scope in to see? I mean come on... In the first place how many % of the people actually go scope and look at every single shit in a game like COD. Most people are running around shooting at people or at least camping and look out for target than to do such a thing. The logo on the floor that has whatever word in the middle of a fighting stage? Looking at at the floor in a middle of a fast action fighting game rather than actually enjoying the actual fun of the game.

There are countless games, movies or stuffs out there that has the word 佛 found within or on them. It stands for Buddha, also consider as God from Buddhism. And some of them are even very obvious ones that you dont need to specifically do something to actually see the word. So Buddhist should come out and bud hurt? IF they dont means they do not respect their religion?

Countless games also have word like 魔 found within them. It stands for devil. So those games are promoting Santanic cults and should be banned or boycott?

So it comes back to the same thing, in the first place why are those things even in those games / movies and etc? Does people even differentiate virtual and reality these days? Which apparently I dont think many does these days... Should this thread be taken down? Or even N4G to be taken down as a whole? Because the world Allah actually on the topic title! Why is it even there? Whatever... this world should end quicker. Because people are getting more concern over a word in a game than if they are still alive the next morning they wake up.
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Tetsujin  +   638d ago
I had the same theory myself; spend more time picking faults and some sort of "oh my god I'm offended" situation than actually playing the game how it should be played. I'm not trying to offend anyone, however it bugs me when someone screams somethings offensive when the "how" isn't really explained correctly - "Oh Allah is used, that's offensive" rather than (just an example) "Allah's tomb" or something along those lines.
AmkOwns  +   638d ago
Sooks.
Neonridr  +   638d ago
Allah means "The God". No offense, but if I saw the word God on the floor when I was playing a game, I would think nothing of it. I mean how many games have a church in it that you can enter or a game that has some religious context to it at times? I don't remember anyone complaining about that before.

Why does everyone always have to be so touchy all the time?

Let's rename Christmas to Happy Non-Denominational-So-As-Not-T o-Offend-Anyone-Day..
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SAE  +   638d ago
If you accept fighting in a church then its your believes but we muslims dont do that to our mosques , its a place for GOD and his creature not people to people to get intrests from it like a movie or a game , same with anything related to our religion , steping on GOD name is a insult to all religions , but people dont care because the name ALLAH is from quran ..

Anyway , just try to respect others believes , it wont harm you and its not against any religion believes , it is what bring peace , Each to his own believes :)
Neonridr  +   638d ago
I didn't mean fighting in a church, just simply that we see religious places and items in our everyday lives. We shouldn't be trying to censor everything, we should be embracing and be open. I didn't mean any offense by what I was trying to say.
neogeo   638d ago | Offensive
Thepcz  +   638d ago
why would muslims play a beat em up anyway?
so its ok to kick the shit out of somebody, as long as you aren't reminded of god?
AmkOwns  +   638d ago
What about assassin creed 1? I'm sure I heard or seen this "Allah" many times in that game
devilhunterx  +   638d ago
Should hire a multicultural testing team.
Nevers0ft  +   638d ago
I don't see anybody complaining, just pointing out the word to Namco... If Namco have chosen to replace it, that's down to them.

Although I'm not Muslim myself, I'm happy to stick my neck out and state that the overwhelming majority of Muslims will be as confused as we are as to why Namco have opted to remove it. It's just a silly knee-jerk reaction to a furore that doesn't exist.
RurouniKaze  +   638d ago
For those of you babbling about how people make religious jokes concerning you & that it doesnt offend you should'nt act like youre speaking for the world.

Some people have remained noble even during these vile times and still uphold a class of morale.

Dont judge them for trying to conserve that , then complain about how the world is messed up & not the way it was.

Muslims in particular take very high morale when it comes to anything concerning their god naturally something like this would massively offend them.
AO1JMM  +   638d ago
Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah,

Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,

Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammed,
Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammed,

Anybody offended? Too bad the complaint department is closed!

/s
1upgamer99  +   637d ago
Look, I am so freaking SICK of walking on eggshells because I am afraid I am going to freaking OFFEND SOMEONE. How many times as a gay male have I had to hear the word FAG. I let it go. You hear it on Online gaming ALL THE TIME..I don't freak out about it. Now in this case, so what if the name Allah is used. People say Jesus all the time and to me its disrespectful. SOME of the freedom of speech stuff up there is correct.

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