Halo 4 graphics - will next gen be that much better?
With the Halo 4 launch trailer using in game graphics, it raises the question as to how good the majority of next gen games will look in comparison.
(Halo 4, Next-Gen, Xbox 360)
very few if any, at least not on consoles. uncharted and god of war 3 are prob the only two that can give it a competition as far as i can see. perhaps heavy rain too but thats barely a game.
and dont cite weak games with washed out color palettes either. halo has achieved its graphics using a wide variety of colors as opposed to 2-3
halo 4 looks insane, im blown away by the fact that 343 have taken a game that was getting seriously dated and shaken it up to produce a game that looks this good, it was probably a huge risk to take halo fans away from what they know and show a different side of the series, but its probably the best thing they could have done for the series.
the standard just keeps getting higher, halo 4 looks buttery smooth, add that to forza horizon, one of the most impressive open world racers i have ever seen, i was blown away by how smooth that game is and virtually free from pop in and frame dips....its unreal
just goes to show theres still a bit of life in the current consoles!
Forza horizon car models are so low poly i have the models for my 3d max and they are between 50k and 80k polys, that why the game is smooth. even car models and environment in NFS most wanted looks way better than Horizon...
Halo 4 looks similar to Mass Effect So unless we're saying Mass Effect has the best graphics and animations, then no.
Also, as someone above already said, if you compare Halo's "Gameplay" trailers(i.e. Halo 3) vs the actual game when you play it, looks different.
Halo 4 does look great. It's among some of the best looking console games. Killzone has some technical achievements that I don't think any other console game this gen has match. God of War, Uncharted and The Last of Us are pretty impressive as well.
@Army_of_Darkness I don't find Killzone 3 even comparable to Halo Reach level graphics. It does some things right, but lacks in many other area: It has amazing particle effects and some of the best character animations for an FPS, and the art direction is very good. The forward renders makes the lighting also look very good. But on the other hand it has no HDR at all results in limited color range, many textures are blurry, small framebuffer for explosions and visual effects makes them look blurry, the archaic MLAA implementation doesn't look good (even the QSAA they had for Killzone 2 looks much better), and many models are just too low poly. The game suffers in many different areas, especially if you compare it to Halo Reach graphics which excels in all the things I mentioned here (perhaps except for their own AA method which is also not very good).
You're bringing Killzone 3 to a Halo thread here, but even if you are not trolling at least try to stick to the technical truth. Calling people who say otherwise "ridiculous" without even bringing up any fact to back your claims up is ridiculous by itself.
Pretty good IMO, but will reserve judgement until actually playing it.
@GTRcivic Forza Horizon, just like any other racing game, had multiple LOD models raging from probably 5k to 500k (Forza 4 carried even higher polycount in photo mode) depending on the car distance and game mode. 50-70K for a model is actually very good considering most good looking games don't even offer half of that for their main character.
Forza Horizon is indeed the best looking open world racing game, but the truth is that it doesn't have much competition (only Test Drive unlimited, Fuel and the aging burnout paradise). lets see how NFS Most Wanted actually turns out in comparison this coming week, but based on their vast past experience I do expect Criterion to deliver a game which is at least as beautiful. I for one don't mind having two amazing looking open world racers released at the same timeframe.
Regardless of the usual graphical arguement (I think Halo 4 looks great personally, others clearly are not so wowwed) gameplay wise Halo 4 looks brilliant... I personally cannot wait to play it.
Killzone is linear as shit. Halo 4 isn't. Not hard to make a good looking game when you're forcing players down linear corridors that are ten feet wide...versus having a huge Halo warzone.
If you find these photos last gen you must have a very high end PC with very actual few games to utilize it. I would have even believed you if you didn't bring Killzone 3 to the argument.
Have you actually compared direct feed and non-bullshots images from Killzone 3? As I said, Halo Reach already surpassed it on a technical level. What makes you think that 2 years later the difference won't be bigger?
I guess there's a reason why we don't see any direct feed comparisons here from other FPS games. It's easier for people to talk nonsense when they don't have a point of reference. It's also easier to talk about future games from different genres that can't be properly analyzed.
@JonLI76 You have clearly never played Killzone 2. That game differs from Halo in almost every from of the word. Halo Reach and even Halo 4 have adopted making the gun as big and detailed only after they seen Killzone 2.
Killzone 2 had a weight feel to it. Like you were actually carrying a gun and not something made out of cardboard. I love Halo and will be logging many hours into Halo 4. But Killzone 2 was beast of a game and had longer legs on it then Killzone 3. I didn't like the COD direction Guerilla took with that one.
Killzone looks like shit, low res textures everywhere, even though I like the PS3 more, I hated killzone especially the third one, it looks "Good" because of the ugly color filters it uses to hide it's lack of detail.
explain this to me, can killzone simultaneously have close to 40 enemies, vehicles, 5 times the amount of space, and 4PLAYER CO-OP with all players interacting with different things all over the map! and pull even close to the kind of graphics it seems to have???
NO? Then stop making fail comparisons!! you're even making people who like killzone hate on it.
KZ2 > KZ3 ... The low contrast was really beatiful.. KZ3 graphics looks a bit "different".. the mix of contrast didn't have that impact for me. KZ 2 had a very unique graphical presentation also with its gun fov and swerves.
This Halo 4 graphics doesn't look THAT amazing nor unique compared to GoW 3, KZ 2, Crysis 1/2, BF3 graphical presentation..
Seriously people complain about how things are done to look good now.....Who cares how they did it, Killzone still looks amazing.
And for those saying "oh its only dull colors" you obviously only watched the trailers. Killzone 3 has plenty of jungle area's with greens and blues in it.
There are a lot of people who need to get the Killzone Trilogy. Killzone 2 and 3 are the best looking console shooters this gen. It's tough to tell how good Halo 4 will look from trailers, but it's highly unlikely that it will surpass Killzone.
LMFAO!! Ive seen in game Halo 4 footage dude. I managed to see the first 10mins before they removed the video. And let me tell you HALO 4 craps all over both KZ 2 and 3.
So many ps3 fanboys talking about kz, yet the servers for kz 2 and 3 are ghostowns. There are more people playing halo3 that both kz put together. If kz Is so great, why don't you fanboys play it instead of bragging about it on the net?
Halo looks very bit as good as kz (if not better) and that's with more ai on screen, bigger area, and WAY more game types and features. Without shiny graphics, kz is another bad shooter. Great graphics in halo Is just another plus for a top notch fps. Kz relies on graphics, halo does not.
I haven't seen any other shooter on console that looks better. Only the Crysis games maxed on PC look better, and to be honest I still prefer the way Halo 4 looks. It's simply gorgeous.
It's not just the visuals but also the sandbox open maps with open space gameplay(ground/sky/sea) Number of smart AI, vehicles, co-op plus state of the state of the art graphics.
It's the way people should truly measure a console's power just as the PC community determines how powerful pc hardware needs to be to run games that are demanding on processing many things at once not just one thing or the other(either graphics only or modern open design with decent looks)
The way people should see this, is the fact MSFT doesn't think many games are worthy enough to push the hardware with tailored game engines and big enough budgets like Sony does with exception of Forza 4/H and Halo 4
I don't understand why people can't just be happy that finally for the first this Generation, Halo is in HD and is reaching graphic levels expected of Multi Million dollar franchise.
The game looks great, and it has a lot of great things going for it, but you know that it won't win in the graphics department, certainly not against the countless PS3 games that are already, and are to come. Plus we have multiplayer games like Metal Gear Ground Zero that looks a lot better then Halo 4 and other PS3 games so far, so why would HALO 4 Be the Graphical Standard all of a sudden
Halo 4 looks, amazing....for a Halo game, and this is coming from a Halo fanatic. But I've played Killzone2 and 3. I love those but for different reasons why I like Halo. I can't stand when people talk about Killzone2 when they have never played it. Halo:Reach and 4 have implemented recoil which was something they didn't have before Killzone2.
That doesn't mean they got the idea from Killzone 2. There were plenty of games that implemented recoil between Halo 3 and Halo Reach and before Killzone even existed.
Anyways, I don't see why people have to compare everything and chose a winner. I don't think Killzone 2 or Halo 4 are the most graphically impressive this gen.
well this turned into another fanboy war article over halo and killzone. IMO Halo 4 looks much much better than games before but not on KZ level but moving forward KZ is a franchise that sony will show case its tech more than anything else.
why can't we just live with that? also to anyone asking if next gen graphics will better better than the answer is 100% yes. Not only graphics but game worlds will be enriched with more to do a lot more to see so better tech better graphics its common sense. Here is a better question though how long before next gen system will be used in a way to gain the extra benefits? it took ps3 good 2-3 years before we started to see games that were starting to push the tech
Best looking games this gen IMO
Uncharted 2 God of war 3 Alan Wake when Bioshock came out it was quite good Metro last light could be added to the list GTA 4 and RDR set new standards for open world games Halo 4 looks extremely good
Halo 4 launch trailer its all touched up... WTF is this guy talking about? played Halo 4 its available on Tor***nts (still buying it) it looks good but not even close to the Trailer, there are many current gen games that look better than halo4...
are you seriously gonna take a game that never has more than 4 enemies on screen and marvel what they done with the graphics???
They looked at Halo and said lets have:
Dumber AI
Smaller Maps
Fewer Enemies
Slow paced Combat
just so we can get better graphics......only fools would praise the graphics, because they dont realize what they've sacrificed to get it.
Maybe you should play the game first before making comments that make you look silly son. If you played KZ you would have known that the AI is one of the best in the business and dont say you have played it because your comment proves otherwise. KZ may have fewer enemies but the fact is KZ3 was easily able to generate as many characters and GG did it without a visible drop in frame rate and that is the game changer as far as graphics go I just find it funny that Xbox fanboys are comparing Halo4 to a two year old game(which btw still looks better) when TLOU & Beyond: TS has clearly raised the bar for consoles once again, all done on the PS3
Everything you said makes no sense at all. The AI in the game is amazing. But the thing that shows your ignorance is by saying only 4 enemies are on screen at a time. You must have never played the level of KZ2 where your storming the Visari Palace and enemies just keep coming and coming until you progress to the end. Im pretty sure that part had way more than 4 enemies on the screen. So before you start trolling about how KZ sucks at least know what the fuck you are talking about. Also I like Halo and think halo 4 looks amazing but theres no way it looks as good as KZ3 which is arguably one of the if not the best looking FPS on current consoles and thats a fact my friend
and it seems a few of you think killzone is better, the game full of 4 colors.......black, grey, brown, touch of red. very similar to gears. all this is an opinion since so many factors influence graphics but as ive stated before, i dont find graphics impressive when they use such a limited color range. it gets boring and repetitive
This game is mind blowingly awesome!!! I can't belived the extremely high level of fidelity. There isn't a game on the market that looks as good as this! What a way for Halo to close out this gen!! I mean WOW!!
I think everyone forgets is how good the graphics look isn't how new the hardware can be. It takes lot of understanding how to get the old hardware to produce incredible looking graphics, ie. optimization, cheats or tricks in how the graphics are drawn, and well understanding how to program the video hardware.
It takes years for the next gen hardware to show its full potential because it's opposite to what I wrote above.
Personally, I can't wait to see what 343 does with the Halo franchise. So far it looks pretty damn impressive and I'm much more stoked for this game then I thought I would be after I found Reach to be a disappointment (from a story and single player perspective). I love that the story and characters seem to be central to this game again.
As for next gen, I'll echo what other devs have already been saying. I don't think we'll see much in the way of improved graphics. There's already only so much developers can do with the resources available to them, otherwise every game out there would look like Uncharted or Gears. What I think we'll see is better environmental interaction, better particle effects, better AI, etc. The graphics may not be overly improved but they'll probably be able to get away with more complexity in game.
What I dont get is why the fuck is he comparing pc and console graphics seeing as pcs hardware can be changed to make games look better and mods that make games look better
That's bullshit, annoying fans who are used to linear corridor games with 3 inches of space to move around have been hating on halo's graphics for years. I rarely see halo get the credit it deserves for graphics.
Halo 3 didn't look amazing i agree, Reach was a bigg improvement though not the best, but halo 4 looks insane.
People have no sense of judgement. It's like looking at a car in GTA4 vs Forza. You can't ever make a car look as good in GTA as in Forza because forza is so compact and linear, they can obviously make the cars look better because you don't go off the road.
It's a sort of farfetched example because of course halo isn't completely open sandboxed like GTA, and games like killzone aren't extremely linear like forza, but you pull both things together more and you'll get the idea.
@spicelicka i never said they looked bad, they are in fact good but they arent a graphical upgrade that people are making it out to be. It certainly looks better than other shooters this year, but to say the graphics are a benchmark is giving the game way more credit then it's due.
"That's bullshit, annoying fans who are used to linear corridor games with 3 inches of space to move around have been hating on halo's graphics for years. I rarely see halo get the credit it deserves for graphics."
Even though you didn't directly say it this was a jab toward me and I'm more of an RPG player just giving my two cents.
Halo is doomed from the anti Halo fans from the start anyways. For the haters, it can only be a few things. Right now it's Halo 3 and Reach sucked.
When Halo 4 receives the high review scores... it will be in the 90s... then the fanboys will scream out.. "OH! Because of the Halo name it got those scores!!!11!" All while never playing the game, or even owning an xbox.
It will go on and on. The only ones who will be happy are like the 6 million people who are buying the game and playing it. ;)
@vortis why the fuck are you comparing pc and console graphics and your talking about a mod on gta 4 on pc were talking bout console games and their actual graphics not something with improve graphics with a mod I bet if consoles let you put on mods for halo 4 with a mod like you mentioned halo would kick any games graphics out the window you idiot
Whatever. Let me know when the PS3 gets an FPS that looks as good, plays as good and that offers as much content. Vast open worlds with vehicles...keep dreaming.
OT: There's always room for improvement but Halo 4 looks amazing and I look forward to the series future.
Try kz2 (kz2 being 2009) and then kz3 buddy. On a standard tv those two games had some of my friends go "is this HD?".
Tell me when there's a tps that's look and runs (offers as much on screen real-time) better than starhawk. You wanted to throw Sony into an Xbox article so ill shove it in your mouth.
Yeah it's really not that amazing, decent but nothing ground breaking.
As for the PS3 FPS - Killzone 3. It may not be the same in terms of gameplay, open worlds and vehicles but I'm sorry that is at least on par in terms of visuals. I don't think you can compare gameplay wise though as it's personal preference. Floaty space combat or more gritty military combat. Two very different styles.
Didn't want to sound harsh but halo is indeed a good looking game but to call out Sony/ps3 wasn't necessary, considering the ps3 has games that could set benchmarks easily as well.
Wages of Sin, Killerhog is right. Starhawk is the best open world shooter on console and I reckon that will still be the case after Halo 4 is released. Becareful you guys not to get too fanboyish because I have a strong feeling that you will walk away disappointed. Halo 4 is constructed in a way so that you can get great moments and screen shots and trailers go look at the vidocs for the game closely. The ingame will not be much better than Halo Reach in fact it may even have the better campaign overall. In game Halo 4 looks like Resistance 2 guys. Do not say that you were not warned.
Well it will be like this: At first it would be good but not as a great of a leap, throughout the year games will look slightly better. Then after 1-1/2 years later, that's where you will see the biggest leap in term of graphics.
The game looks very top notch for a current gen Game. I mean they really pushed the boundaries graphically. As far as next gen is concerned graphics would look like Halo and Uncharted standard, but not anything really amazing right off the bat.
I have to agree. The fan boys of what ever console will always say another game looks better but halo 4 forza horizon forza 4 and gears of war 3 are 4 of the best looking games this gen and the best looking games on the 360.
People said the 360 could not match the ps3 but those 4 games show it can if a game is done right but for me its how the game makes me feel when playing it not how it looks.
I still have an amiga 32 snes n64 dreamcast and a gamecube that i use every now and then and yes the graphics look poor but the game play makes up for that.
I say well done to microsoft nintendo and sony for still pushing the limit of there consoles and giving us some of the best games ive ever player and long may it continue.
Yeah it's funny how people are always saying that x game maxed out x console, but then there are always games that gets released that out does said game pushing new limits.
I saw a demo of Halo 4 and it looked really good and is definitely an improvement
The thing with graphics getting better as the consoles get older - Frame rate is usually sacrificed as graphics can sell games (and win comparison tests). Your example of Forza Horizon is a perfect example. Its no longer a silky 60fps. Not to be that guy but , arguably its not improving when frame rates are taxed.
@StrawHatPatriot I never said they looked better than any other game I said it shows that the 360 can keep up with the PS3 in terms of looks. Stop being a fan boy UC 2/3 and GA look good to the same as Kill Zone 2 and 3.
@tee_bag242 I also agree with you but Have you played the Demo of Foza Horizon as I have not noticed a drop in frame rate and the amout of people I have seen comment on here about forza Horizon when I have said it is 30fps they have said they have not noticed the difference.
better ?.. are you kidding me ? halo > forza > gears >halo > forza > gears ...etc
that's it , what's better ?. it's the same , we want more games not this circle path ..
i want new things like alan wake , not the same game with more improvements for years without releasing other games , im not saying the sequels aren't good , it's just not worth keeping the xbox360 if there is no games but these , the right way to explain this , each year ms getting worst not better...
i would be glad to be proven wrong because im seeking for games , am i wrong ?. explain why it's better ...
And that sir is the coined phrase of every psfanboy. If I were to reverse roles Id say this: Uncharted>God of War>Uncharted>God of War. Or number 2 bias: Mario>Zelda>Mario>Zel da
Obviously all consoles have over 500 game releases, yet to point out only 2 selections is very ignorant and unoriginal.
Well I can make the same argument about the 360. I think there are more than 2 exclusives as well. Blue Dragon> Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts>Crackdown>Fable> ;Forza>Halo>Gears of War>Halo Wars>Kameo: Elements of Power>Lost Odyssey>Ninety-Nine Nights>Viva Piñata: Party Animals, just to make a list too.+ you have games that aren't even out yet and one that’s been OTW since this gen started. Both consoles have plenty of games worth playing, and hell the Wii does too. While ya'll have the rulers out seeing who's got the biggest, I'm over here playing any good game that comes out for any system. I like games not corporations.
No rulers needed, just stating a facts. Not to sound fanboyish but a lot of those games listed aren't even worth buying let alone something to brag about in an exclusives war.
I can agree on LO though, great game. The others have already passed their trilogy mark and others have lost their luster in previous sequels.
As for the list I spat out most where just off the top of my head, LoU and LG are guaranteed gems when both are being headed up by already proven developers.
best example : resistance 1 , it was amazing , split screen was really fun and the online was something new , the story is interesting and even the graphics were a huge jump compared to the other games in the other consoles ...
but now when you go play it you will say it's hyped , no it's not because people are not saying it's the best game in console now , it was the best in it's time , i guess xbox360 players don't play other games to see the huge leap between them and halo , halo is more like cod now , it may be fun but it is not something you can brag about it and consider a prototype of next generation games that we never seen ...
but when you look at MGS GZ ( which is in all platforms ) you can consider it a next generation game that working on this generation because it looks impressive and something special for having that kind of graphics in a sort of open world , or uncharted or crysis or max payne ... etc not halo -.-
The fidelity is on par with Killzone 3. It's good, but not better than next-gen
So to answer article's query: Yes, next-gen's realtime graphics will be significantly better. And, if trends mean anything, Ninty will keep on sucking in the casuals; Micro$oft will keep sucking in the shooter crowd, and Sony will keep hoarding the story-lovers.
That's a pic I took of Crysis 2 on my PC with the BlackFire 2 Mod coupled with MaLDo's HD texture mod v2.0. Once console games come close to that, we can discuss what looks "next gen" or not. Right now, Halo 4 is a beautiful title, but don't stick it in a category that will only invite people to pick apart what is, otherwise, a mighty fine looking 360 exclusive title.
you disagrees because the article is how much better will next gen be. And though that was a good picture its cant be compared given the content of the worlds
You cant compare mona lisa to a picaso. Different styles. Halo doesnt try to look like the real world.
Halo 4 doesn't stack up to many games graphically and what games would that be? Let me guess allot of PlayStation games.
Considering allot of games that been made this gen aren't graphical masterpieces So I'm curious to see how this game doesn't "stack up to many games" graphically.
These are real time pics, and imagine with these kind of graphics gameplay is in no way hindered but has gotten 5x better according to the vids.
You must be graphically blind to thinks these graphics don't stand out.
The graphics leap over consoles is not really that great, you can flash large numbers around all you want but when you compare side by side the differences are minimal at best.
Also Halo is about fun first, out of all those games you listed only BF3 comes close.
All of them are fun, it seems you only like to play fps, like most of the console crowd. Also they're light years ahead of consoles, you think games with lame ass color filters to hide their lack detail look good I guess. There are few exceptions, like some ps3 exclusives, forza and this halo game, but they still look average at best, for PC standards. They look awesome for Console standards
Well I have had both consoles for some time now and I think they are both great, but in all fairness I have never noticed a massive difference in PS3 and Xbox 360 graphics, I have noticed the frame rates tend to be better on 360, UC3 looked amazing but I have not been impressed with the Killzone games, boring and dull looking, they look better on youtube videos than they do when playing them, much prefer the Halo look.
Halo 4 looks awesome but compare to say the CGI cutscenes in Halo Wars look A LOT better and I think the CGI in Halo Wars is more what like FPS would look like in a next gen system.
Am I watching a different video from everyone else? Its the waypoint one right?
How are people looking at that video and saying this game is the best looking console game? Yes the the spartan armor is VERY detailed but everything else is not.
That's what I said, environments look like crap but this happens every time a new halo comes out. Just wait until the comparison vids come out that will quiet the ones in denial.
The game looks pretty good I guess, but 100% it's sucked every little bit of juice out of the Xbox 360. Most games have for the last year and a half now. This is also Microsoft's flagship game, and it really seems like they're treating it like that. The hybrid of what seems to be in the millions of dollars live-action sequences and actual gameplay throughout the game give it a strange blend. I can only imagine that Microsoft have spent $120 million+ on producing this game. Not really a great comparison of what next gen games will look like. If the next Xbox has 10 times the power, imagine what 343 could do with all their money and resources from Microsoft in Halo 5. Halo 4 will look so outdated. Plus the Unreal Engine 4, and Square Enix' new engine are really impressive too.
The game looks pretty good I guess, but 100% it's sucked every little bit of juice out of the Xbox 360. people have been saying that for so long on every new game thats graphics heavy and they keep surpassing whats been done before. I would wait until the absoulute last current gen game before i judge.
Hey, but it's true! The last year of games haven't really shown anything jaw dropping, they all feel like they're using the maximum power available to them. Developers have had to cut so many corners now to make these games work with such limited RAM and underpowered hardware compared to modern stuff. Try playing Borderlands 2 on PC at 1080p with every at max, then on Xbox 360. The experience is just infinitely better on PC because of the hardware, I was running it 35fps+ on a GTX280 which is old now. Imagine the lowest bar for a next gen Xbox game looking like a modern PC game at max settings. It will seriously blow away everything on this gen.
Seriously if you think 1080p on PC is 'amazing' what would you do if you played it at 2560 X 1440p's?!?!
I think we all know that consoles will never match gaming PC rigs...
As for Halo 4 I'm reserving judgement till I've played it myself, I watched the trailers for Halo 3 and Reach really was nothing like the actual game despite being in-engine (which does not necessarily imply gameplay!) and the clips I've seen weren't exactly mind blowing but a step up from previous definately.
Next gen will probably provide more gameplay innovations than graphical ones. I can't wait to see what next gen offers but for now Halo 4 is poised to once again be the king of FPS. Judging by the trolls it seem they better get a 360 because the envy alone might kill em.
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and dont cite weak games with washed out color palettes either. halo has achieved its graphics using a wide variety of colors as opposed to 2-3
the standard just keeps getting higher, halo 4 looks buttery smooth, add that to forza horizon, one of the most impressive open world racers i have ever seen, i was blown away by how smooth that game is and virtually free from pop in and frame dips....its unreal
just goes to show theres still a bit of life in the current consoles!
Killzone 3 looks way better than this game! who ever says otherwise is just ridiculous... OMG.
and go play halo 3.
You will immediately realize halo 3 looks nothing like "in game" graphics trailer.
Mostly because Bungie did alot of touch ups on it. Since 343 has some people from Bungie, wont be surprised they did the same.
Even with the touch ups, graphics are not as good as certain games already out there.
Could you at least try to compare H4 to a game on the Xbox? Sheesh!
i don't find KZ to be visually impressive. Guess i'm "ridiculous."
1. you have no idea what the game does at a technical level. Here are 3 links so you can learn to appreciate it:
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2. you're just judging the game's art direction
3. fanboy goggles
Forza horizon car models are so low poly i have the models for my 3d max and they are between 50k and 80k polys, that why the game is smooth. even car models and environment in NFS most wanted looks way better than Horizon...
Fanboys......
So unless we're saying Mass Effect has the best graphics and animations, then no.
Also, as someone above already said, if you compare Halo's "Gameplay" trailers(i.e. Halo 3) vs the actual game when you play it, looks different.
Halo 4 does look great. It's among some of the best looking console games. Killzone has some technical achievements that I don't think any other console game this gen has match.
God of War, Uncharted and The Last of Us are pretty impressive as well.
I don't find Killzone 3 even comparable to Halo Reach level graphics. It does some things right, but lacks in many other area: It has amazing particle effects and some of the best character animations for an FPS, and the art direction is very good. The forward renders makes the lighting also look very good.
But on the other hand it has no HDR at all results in limited color range, many textures are blurry, small framebuffer for explosions and visual effects makes them look blurry, the archaic MLAA implementation doesn't look good (even the QSAA they had for Killzone 2 looks much better), and many models are just too low poly. The game suffers in many different areas, especially if you compare it to Halo Reach graphics which excels in all the things I mentioned here (perhaps except for their own AA method which is also not very good).
You're bringing Killzone 3 to a Halo thread here, but even if you are not trolling at least try to stick to the technical truth. Calling people who say otherwise "ridiculous" without even bringing up any fact to back your claims up is ridiculous by itself.
This is what the game actually looks like - with no touch ups or supersampling:
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Pretty good IMO, but will reserve judgement until actually playing it.
@GTRcivic
Forza Horizon, just like any other racing game, had multiple LOD models raging from probably 5k to 500k (Forza 4 carried even higher polycount in photo mode) depending on the car distance and game mode. 50-70K for a model is actually very good considering most good looking games don't even offer half of that for their main character.
Forza Horizon is indeed the best looking open world racing game, but the truth is that it doesn't have much competition (only Test Drive unlimited, Fuel and the aging burnout paradise).
lets see how NFS Most Wanted actually turns out in comparison this coming week, but based on their vast past experience I do expect Criterion to deliver a game which is at least as beautiful. I for one don't mind having two amazing looking open world racers released at the same timeframe.
Did you lok at the photos you linked? You can't even tell if that's a last gen or a current gen game from those pics.
More importantly using pics only to try and say KZ is not comparable is....well....I don't even know what to say to that.
Halo 4 is maybe the best looking game on the 360(i think Witcher 2 looks better) but overall the upcoming PS3 Exclusives destroy it.
crysis 2 & 3? oh yes that was easy
also killzone 3
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we are talking about graphics right? so there u go.
Also it's another halo which is ok. But name at least 3-5 new AAA ip's that are not shooter exclusive on 360. and Not some forza sh!t either.
If you find these photos last gen you must have a very high end PC with very actual few games to utilize it. I would have even believed you if you didn't bring Killzone 3 to the argument.
Have you actually compared direct feed and non-bullshots images from Killzone 3? As I said, Halo Reach already surpassed it on a technical level. What makes you think that 2 years later the difference won't be bigger?
I guess there's a reason why we don't see any direct feed comparisons here from other FPS games. It's easier for people to talk nonsense when they don't have a point of reference. It's also easier to talk about future games from different genres that can't be properly analyzed.
You have clearly never played Killzone 2. That game differs from Halo in almost every from of the word. Halo Reach and even Halo 4 have adopted making the gun as big and detailed only after they seen Killzone 2.
http://www.lazygamer.net/xb...
Killzone 2 had a weight feel to it. Like you were actually carrying a gun and not something made out of cardboard. I love Halo and will be logging many hours into Halo 4. But Killzone 2 was beast of a game and had longer legs on it then Killzone 3. I didn't like the COD direction Guerilla took with that one.
NO? Then stop making fail comparisons!! you're even making people who like killzone hate on it.
This Halo 4 graphics doesn't look THAT amazing nor unique compared to GoW 3, KZ 2, Crysis 1/2, BF3 graphical presentation..
(not talking about lore and gameplay here)
And for those saying "oh its only dull colors" you obviously only watched the trailers. Killzone 3 has plenty of jungle area's with greens and blues in it.
Halo looks very bit as good as kz (if not better) and that's with more ai on screen, bigger area, and WAY more game types and features. Without shiny graphics, kz is another bad shooter. Great graphics in halo Is just another plus for a top notch fps. Kz relies on graphics, halo does not.
It's the way people should truly measure a console's power just as the PC community determines how powerful pc hardware needs to be to run games that are demanding on processing many things at once not just one thing or the other(either graphics only or modern open design with decent looks)
The way people should see this, is the fact MSFT doesn't think many games are worthy enough to push the hardware with tailored game engines and big enough budgets like Sony does with exception of Forza 4/H and Halo 4
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I don't understand why people can't just be happy that finally for the first this Generation, Halo is in HD and is reaching graphic levels expected of Multi Million dollar franchise.
The game looks great, and it has a lot of great things going for it, but you know that it won't win in the graphics department, certainly not against the countless PS3 games that are already, and are to come.
Plus we have multiplayer games like Metal Gear Ground Zero that looks a lot better then Halo 4 and other PS3 games so far, so why would HALO 4 Be the Graphical Standard all of a sudden
amazing....for a Halo game, and this is coming from a Halo fanatic. But I've played Killzone2 and 3. I love those but for different reasons why I like Halo. I can't stand when people talk about Killzone2 when they have never played it. Halo:Reach and 4 have implemented recoil which was something they didn't have before Killzone2.
That doesn't mean they got the idea from Killzone 2. There were plenty of games that implemented recoil between Halo 3 and Halo Reach and before Killzone even existed.
Anyways, I don't see why people have to compare everything and chose a winner. I don't think Killzone 2 or Halo 4 are the most graphically impressive this gen.
why can't we just live with that? also to anyone asking if next gen graphics will better better than the answer is 100% yes. Not only graphics but game worlds will be enriched with more to do a lot more to see so better tech better graphics its common sense. Here is a better question though how long before next gen system will be used in a way to gain the extra benefits? it took ps3 good 2-3 years before we started to see games that were starting to push the tech
Best looking games this gen IMO
Uncharted 2
God of war 3
Alan Wake
when Bioshock came out it was quite good
Metro last light could be added to the list
GTA 4 and RDR set new standards for open world games
Halo 4 looks extremely good
Best looking CONSOLE games this gen IMO (FIXED)
And don't forget the witcher 2..
Halo 4 launch trailer its all touched up... WTF is this guy talking about? played Halo 4 its available on Tor***nts (still buying it) it looks good but not even close to the Trailer, there are many current gen games that look better than halo4...
are you seriously gonna take a game that never has more than 4 enemies on screen and marvel what they done with the graphics???
They looked at Halo and said lets have:
Dumber AI
Smaller Maps
Fewer Enemies
Slow paced Combat
just so we can get better graphics......only fools would praise the graphics, because they dont realize what they've sacrificed to get it.
My take on it though....I think it'll be just like every Halo game, looks good in trailers but not so much in game. Prove me wrong 343
Those kind.
there just showing a cgi
how about some actual gameplay so we can see its the same thing over again
It takes years for the next gen hardware to show its full potential because it's opposite to what I wrote above.
As for next gen, I'll echo what other devs have already been saying. I don't think we'll see much in the way of improved graphics. There's already only so much developers can do with the resources available to them, otherwise every game out there would look like Uncharted or Gears. What I think we'll see is better environmental interaction, better particle effects, better AI, etc. The graphics may not be overly improved but they'll probably be able to get away with more complexity in game.
Halo 3 didn't look amazing i agree, Reach was a bigg improvement though not the best, but halo 4 looks insane.
People have no sense of judgement. It's like looking at a car in GTA4 vs Forza. You can't ever make a car look as good in GTA as in Forza because forza is so compact and linear, they can obviously make the cars look better because you don't go off the road.
It's a sort of farfetched example because of course halo isn't completely open sandboxed like GTA, and games like killzone aren't extremely linear like forza, but you pull both things together more and you'll get the idea.
"That's bullshit, annoying fans who are used to linear corridor games with 3 inches of space to move around have been hating on halo's graphics for years. I rarely see halo get the credit it deserves for graphics."
Even though you didn't directly say it this was a jab toward me and I'm more of an RPG player just giving my two cents.
Halo is doomed from the anti Halo fans from the start anyways. For the haters, it can only be a few things. Right now it's Halo 3 and Reach sucked.
When Halo 4 receives the high review scores... it will be in the 90s... then the fanboys will scream out.. "OH! Because of the Halo name it got those scores!!!11!" All while never playing the game, or even owning an xbox.
It will go on and on. The only ones who will be happy are like the 6 million people who are buying the game and playing it. ;)
OT: There's always room for improvement but Halo 4 looks amazing and I look forward to the series future.
Tell me when there's a tps that's look and runs (offers as much on screen real-time) better than starhawk. You wanted to throw Sony into an Xbox article so ill shove it in your mouth.
As for the PS3 FPS - Killzone 3. It may not be the same in terms of gameplay, open worlds and vehicles but I'm sorry that is at least on par in terms of visuals. I don't think you can compare gameplay wise though as it's personal preference. Floaty space combat or more gritty military combat. Two very different styles.
Just sayin....no hate here.
People said the 360 could not match the ps3 but those 4 games show it can if a game is done right but for me its how the game makes me feel when playing it not how it looks.
I still have an amiga 32 snes n64 dreamcast and a gamecube that i use every now and then and yes the graphics look poor but the game play makes up for that.
I say well done to microsoft nintendo and sony for still pushing the limit of there consoles and giving us some of the best games ive ever player and long may it continue.
The thing with graphics getting better as the consoles get older - Frame rate is usually sacrificed as graphics can sell games (and win comparison tests).
Your example of Forza Horizon is a perfect example. Its no longer a silky 60fps. Not to be that guy but , arguably its not improving when frame rates are taxed.
@tee_bag242 I also agree with you but Have you played the Demo of Foza Horizon as I have not noticed a drop in frame rate and the amout of people I have seen comment on here about forza Horizon when I have said it is 30fps they have said they have not noticed the difference.
halo > forza > gears >halo > forza > gears ...etc
that's it , what's better ?. it's the same , we want more games not this circle path ..
i want new things like alan wake , not the same game with more improvements for years without releasing other games , im not saying the sequels aren't good , it's just not worth keeping the xbox360 if there is no games but these , the right way to explain this , each year ms getting worst not better...
i would be glad to be proven wrong because im seeking for games , am i wrong ?. explain why it's better ...
And that sir is the coined phrase of every psfanboy. If I were to reverse roles Id say this: Uncharted>God of War>Uncharted>God of War.
Or number 2 bias: Mario>Zelda>Mario>Zel da
Obviously all consoles have over 500 game releases, yet to point out only 2 selections is very ignorant and unoriginal.
I can keep going on, don't tell us PS3 doesn't have more than two exclusive titles worth playing. ;)
Well I can make the same argument about the 360. I think there are more than 2 exclusives as well. Blue Dragon> Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts>Crackdown>Fable> ;Forza>Halo>Gears of War>Halo Wars>Kameo: Elements of Power>Lost Odyssey>Ninety-Nine Nights>Viva Piñata: Party Animals, just to make a list too.+ you have games that aren't even out yet and one that’s been OTW since this gen started. Both consoles have plenty of games worth playing, and hell the Wii does too. While ya'll have the rulers out seeing who's got the biggest, I'm over here playing any good game that comes out for any system. I like games not corporations.
No rulers needed, just stating a facts. Not to sound fanboyish but a lot of those games listed aren't even worth buying let alone something to brag about in an exclusives war.
I can agree on LO though, great game. The others have already passed their trilogy mark and others have lost their luster in previous sequels.
As for the list I spat out most where just off the top of my head, LoU and LG are guaranteed gems when both are being headed up by already proven developers.
halo is a normal game , it was great in it's time but it's hyped now , nothing special in it now like before ...
but now when you go play it you will say it's hyped , no it's not because people are not saying it's the best game in console now , it was the best in it's time , i guess xbox360 players don't play other games to see the huge leap between them and halo , halo is more like cod now , it may be fun but it is not something you can brag about it and consider a prototype of next generation games that we never seen ...
but when you look at MGS GZ ( which is in all platforms ) you can consider it a next generation game that working on this generation because it looks impressive and something special for having that kind of graphics in a sort of open world , or uncharted or crysis or max payne ... etc not halo -.-
So to answer article's query: Yes, next-gen's realtime graphics will be significantly better. And, if trends mean anything, Ninty will keep on sucking in the casuals; Micro$oft will keep sucking in the shooter crowd, and Sony will keep hoarding the story-lovers.
I Think Halo 4 Set a new benchmark for console graphics, Halo 4 is Biggest Blockbuster in Xbox/Microsoft History
That's a pic I took of Crysis 2 on my PC with the BlackFire 2 Mod coupled with MaLDo's HD texture mod v2.0. Once console games come close to that, we can discuss what looks "next gen" or not. Right now, Halo 4 is a beautiful title, but don't stick it in a category that will only invite people to pick apart what is, otherwise, a mighty fine looking 360 exclusive title.
You cant compare mona lisa to a picaso. Different styles. Halo doesnt try to look like the real world.
Also the only reason this has been posted on the PS3 section is to get hits and make the story No.1. This has nothing to do with the PS3.
Looks stunning, no need to talk about any other game or platform for that matter.
Sorry just no.
Trailers are well done. But seriously in the graphics dept it does not stack up against many games.
I'm sure halo 5-6 will on the 720.
Considering allot of games that been made this gen aren't graphical masterpieces So I'm curious to see how this game doesn't "stack up to many games" graphically.
These are real time pics, and imagine with these kind of graphics gameplay is in no way hindered but has gotten 5x better according to the vids.
You must be graphically blind to thinks these graphics don't stand out.
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Will I get removed for trolling because disagree?
But I would hope next gen would look better...i want it to look much much better! I always want more.
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and those are just some free games
sadly, games like bf3/metro2033/crysis 1 and 2/shogun 2 ect...ect....in 2560x1600 with 8x aa are beyond ANYTHING next gen consoles will ever do
but they certainly need to be at least as good as a bunch of free games in 1080p
that means that next gen consoles will be REQUIRED to be at least that level, or else.....man....that would blow
Also Halo is about fun first, out of all those games you listed only BF3 comes close.
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How are people looking at that video and saying this game is the best looking console game? Yes the the spartan armor is VERY detailed but everything else is not.
Seriously if you think 1080p on PC is 'amazing' what would you do if you played it at 2560 X 1440p's?!?!
I think we all know that consoles will never match gaming PC rigs...
As for Halo 4 I'm reserving judgement till I've played it myself, I watched the trailers for Halo 3 and Reach really was nothing like the actual game despite being in-engine (which does not necessarily imply gameplay!) and the clips I've seen weren't exactly mind blowing but a step up from previous definately.
It's a fun time to be a gamer!