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Halo 4 graphics - will next gen be that much better?

With the Halo 4 launch trailer using in game graphics, it raises the question as to how good the majority of next gen games will look in comparison.

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Keith Olbermann1309d ago

Dumb. Current gen games look better.

Captain Qwark 91309d ago

very few if any, at least not on consoles. uncharted and god of war 3 are prob the only two that can give it a competition as far as i can see. perhaps heavy rain too but thats barely a game.

and dont cite weak games with washed out color palettes either. halo has achieved its graphics using a wide variety of colors as opposed to 2-3

NewZealander1308d ago

halo 4 looks insane, im blown away by the fact that 343 have taken a game that was getting seriously dated and shaken it up to produce a game that looks this good, it was probably a huge risk to take halo fans away from what they know and show a different side of the series, but its probably the best thing they could have done for the series.

the standard just keeps getting higher, halo 4 looks buttery smooth, add that to forza horizon, one of the most impressive open world racers i have ever seen, i was blown away by how smooth that game is and virtually free from pop in and frame dips....its unreal

just goes to show theres still a bit of life in the current consoles!

Army_of_Darkness1308d ago

Killzone 3 looks way better than this game! who ever says otherwise is just ridiculous... OMG.

GameNameFame1308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

and go play halo 3.

You will immediately realize halo 3 looks nothing like "in game" graphics trailer.

Mostly because Bungie did alot of touch ups on it. Since 343 has some people from Bungie, wont be surprised they did the same.

Even with the touch ups, graphics are not as good as certain games already out there.

ChrisW1308d ago

Army,

Could you at least try to compare H4 to a game on the Xbox? Sheesh!

CommonSense1308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

i don't find KZ to be visually impressive. Guess i'm "ridiculous."

wishingW3L1308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

@CommonSense yes you are. You probably don't find it impressive because:

1. you have no idea what the game does at a technical level. Here are 3 links so you can learn to appreciate it:

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

2. you're just judging the game's art direction

3. fanboy goggles

Ak47Russia1308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

@NewZealander

Forza horizon car models are so low poly i have the models for my 3d max and they are between 50k and 80k polys, that why the game is smooth. even car models and environment in NFS most wanted looks way better than Horizon...

Fanboys......

ShinMaster1308d ago

So unless we're saying Mass Effect has the best graphics and animations, then no.

Also, as someone above already said, if you compare Halo's "Gameplay" trailers(i.e. Halo 3) vs the actual game when you play it, looks different.

Halo 4 does look great. It's among some of the best looking console games. Killzone has some technical achievements that I don't think any other console game this gen has match.
God of War, Uncharted and The Last of Us are pretty impressive as well.

humbleopinion1308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

@Army_of_Darkness
I don't find Killzone 3 even comparable to Halo Reach level graphics. It does some things right, but lacks in many other area: It has amazing particle effects and some of the best character animations for an FPS, and the art direction is very good. The forward renders makes the lighting also look very good.
But on the other hand it has no HDR at all results in limited color range, many textures are blurry, small framebuffer for explosions and visual effects makes them look blurry, the archaic MLAA implementation doesn't look good (even the QSAA they had for Killzone 2 looks much better), and many models are just too low poly. The game suffers in many different areas, especially if you compare it to Halo Reach graphics which excels in all the things I mentioned here (perhaps except for their own AA method which is also not very good).

You're bringing Killzone 3 to a Halo thread here, but even if you are not trolling at least try to stick to the technical truth. Calling people who say otherwise "ridiculous" without even bringing up any fact to back your claims up is ridiculous by itself.

This is what the game actually looks like - with no touch ups or supersampling:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/...
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/...
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/...
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/...
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/...

Pretty good IMO, but will reserve judgement until actually playing it.

@GTRcivic
Forza Horizon, just like any other racing game, had multiple LOD models raging from probably 5k to 500k (Forza 4 carried even higher polycount in photo mode) depending on the car distance and game mode. 50-70K for a model is actually very good considering most good looking games don't even offer half of that for their main character.

Forza Horizon is indeed the best looking open world racing game, but the truth is that it doesn't have much competition (only Test Drive unlimited, Fuel and the aging burnout paradise).
lets see how NFS Most Wanted actually turns out in comparison this coming week, but based on their vast past experience I do expect Criterion to deliver a game which is at least as beautiful. I for one don't mind having two amazing looking open world racers released at the same timeframe.

insomnium21308d ago

@humbleopinion

Did you lok at the photos you linked? You can't even tell if that's a last gen or a current gen game from those pics.

More importantly using pics only to try and say KZ is not comparable is....well....I don't even know what to say to that.

BertlSenix1308d ago

The Last of Us,The new God of War Game and Beyond Two Souls look a lot better than Halo 4 and so does Uncharted 3.

Halo 4 is maybe the best looking game on the 360(i think Witcher 2 looks better) but overall the upcoming PS3 Exclusives destroy it.

Kurt Russell1308d ago

Regardless of the usual graphical arguement (I think Halo 4 looks great personally, others clearly are not so wowwed) gameplay wise Halo 4 looks brilliant... I personally cannot wait to play it.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

@Captain Qwark 9

crysis 2 & 3? oh yes that was easy

also killzone 3
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

we are talking about graphics right? so there u go.

Also it's another halo which is ok. But name at least 3-5 new AAA ip's that are not shooter exclusive on 360. and Not some forza sh!t either.

INehalemEXI1308d ago

halo 4 gfx they aight...meh compared to wii u games.

ambientFLIER1308d ago

Killzone is linear as shit. Halo 4 isn't. Not hard to make a good looking game when you're forcing players down linear corridors that are ten feet wide...versus having a huge Halo warzone.

humbleopinion1305d ago (Edited 1305d ago )

@insomnium2

If you find these photos last gen you must have a very high end PC with very actual few games to utilize it. I would have even believed you if you didn't bring Killzone 3 to the argument.

Have you actually compared direct feed and non-bullshots images from Killzone 3? As I said, Halo Reach already surpassed it on a technical level. What makes you think that 2 years later the difference won't be bigger?

I guess there's a reason why we don't see any direct feed comparisons here from other FPS games. It's easier for people to talk nonsense when they don't have a point of reference. It's also easier to talk about future games from different genres that can't be properly analyzed.

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AfricanGamer9ja1309d ago

It will forever never be as good as Killzone2/3,I can only imagine how Killzone4 will be on the PS4.

Muffins12231309d ago

Well,everything will be grey and ugly

AfricanGamer9ja1309d ago

@Muffins1223 then you have not played the game.

jonli761309d ago TrollingShow
Sharingan_no_Kakashi1309d ago

It looks about as good as Resistance 3.

spicelicka1309d ago PersonalAttacksShow
Muerte24941309d ago

You have clearly never played Killzone 2. That game differs from Halo in almost every from of the word. Halo Reach and even Halo 4 have adopted making the gun as big and detailed only after they seen Killzone 2.

http://www.lazygamer.net/xb...

Killzone 2 had a weight feel to it. Like you were actually carrying a gun and not something made out of cardboard. I love Halo and will be logging many hours into Halo 4. But Killzone 2 was beast of a game and had longer legs on it then Killzone 3. I didn't like the COD direction Guerilla took with that one.

Norrison1309d ago

Killzone looks like shit, low res textures everywhere, even though I like the PS3 more, I hated killzone especially the third one, it looks "Good" because of the ugly color filters it uses to hide it's lack of detail.

spicelicka1309d ago

explain this to me, can killzone simultaneously have close to 40 enemies, vehicles, 5 times the amount of space, and 4PLAYER CO-OP with all players interacting with different things all over the map! and pull even close to the kind of graphics it seems to have???

NO? Then stop making fail comparisons!! you're even making people who like killzone hate on it.

tubers1308d ago

KZ2 > KZ3 ... The low contrast was really beatiful.. KZ3 graphics looks a bit "different".. the mix of contrast didn't have that impact for me. KZ 2 had a very unique graphical presentation also with its gun fov and swerves.

This Halo 4 graphics doesn't look THAT amazing nor unique compared to GoW 3, KZ 2, Crysis 1/2, BF3 graphical presentation..

(not talking about lore and gameplay here)

AsheXII1308d ago

Halo has colors, it doesn't need black pallets to cover up the smudges.

Soldierone1308d ago

Seriously people complain about how things are done to look good now.....Who cares how they did it, Killzone still looks amazing.

And for those saying "oh its only dull colors" you obviously only watched the trailers. Killzone 3 has plenty of jungle area's with greens and blues in it.

TooTall191308d ago

There are a lot of people who need to get the Killzone Trilogy. Killzone 2 and 3 are the best looking console shooters this gen. It's tough to tell how good Halo 4 will look from trailers, but it's highly unlikely that it will surpass Killzone.

WetN00dle691308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

LMFAO!! Ive seen in game Halo 4 footage dude. I managed to see the first 10mins before they removed the video. And let me tell you HALO 4 craps all over both KZ 2 and 3.

kikizoo1308d ago TrollingShow
CrustifiedDibbs1308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

So many ps3 fanboys talking about kz, yet the servers for kz 2 and 3 are ghostowns. There are more people playing halo3 that both kz put together. If kz Is so great, why don't you fanboys play it instead of bragging about it on the net?

Halo looks very bit as good as kz (if not better) and that's with more ai on screen, bigger area, and WAY more game types and features. Without shiny graphics, kz is another bad shooter. Great graphics in halo Is just another plus for a top notch fps. Kz relies on graphics, halo does not.

JasonKCK1308d ago

I dont get how pro Halo comments in Halo news are being removed for trolling, but I can mention KZ or PS3 20 times and get a "well said".

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starchild1309d ago

I haven't seen any other shooter on console that looks better. Only the Crysis games maxed on PC look better, and to be honest I still prefer the way Halo 4 looks. It's simply gorgeous.

Norrison1309d ago

Half of the PC games look better than Halo 4

vishant1011308d ago

@ above I assume you mean just raw pixels because let me tell you the art direction and the art style on halo 4 is better then 90% of pc games

greenpowerz1309d ago (Edited 1309d ago )

It's not just the visuals but also the sandbox open maps with open space gameplay(ground/sky/sea) Number of smart AI, vehicles, co-op plus state of the state of the art graphics.

It's the way people should truly measure a console's power just as the PC community determines how powerful pc hardware needs to be to run games that are demanding on processing many things at once not just one thing or the other(either graphics only or modern open design with decent looks)

The way people should see this, is the fact MSFT doesn't think many games are worthy enough to push the hardware with tailored game engines and big enough budgets like Sony does with exception of Forza 4/H and Halo 4

Cupid_Viper_31309d ago (Edited 1309d ago )

Awww cmon guys, we're not going to do this again are we? Every time Halo releases people claim that it's the best looking game on consoles.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I don't understand why people can't just be happy that finally for the first this Generation, Halo is in HD and is reaching graphic levels expected of Multi Million dollar franchise.

The game looks great, and it has a lot of great things going for it, but you know that it won't win in the graphics department, certainly not against the countless PS3 games that are already, and are to come.
Plus we have multiplayer games like Metal Gear Ground Zero that looks a lot better then Halo 4 and other PS3 games so far, so why would HALO 4 Be the Graphical Standard all of a sudden

Muerte24941308d ago

amazing....for a Halo game, and this is coming from a Halo fanatic. But I've played Killzone2 and 3. I love those but for different reasons why I like Halo. I can't stand when people talk about Killzone2 when they have never played it. Halo:Reach and 4 have implemented recoil which was something they didn't have before Killzone2.

rpd1231308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

@Muerte2494

That doesn't mean they got the idea from Killzone 2. There were plenty of games that implemented recoil between Halo 3 and Halo Reach and before Killzone even existed.

Anyways, I don't see why people have to compare everything and chose a winner. I don't think Killzone 2 or Halo 4 are the most graphically impressive this gen.

SkyGamer1308d ago

Halo 2 says hi on the recoil....and that was last gen!

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Shadonic1309d ago

have you been looking at the gameplay with your screen turned off or something? I call sony fanboy on this one

showtimefolks1308d ago

well this turned into another fanboy war article over halo and killzone. IMO Halo 4 looks much much better than games before but not on KZ level but moving forward KZ is a franchise that sony will show case its tech more than anything else.

why can't we just live with that? also to anyone asking if next gen graphics will better better than the answer is 100% yes. Not only graphics but game worlds will be enriched with more to do a lot more to see so better tech better graphics its common sense. Here is a better question though how long before next gen system will be used in a way to gain the extra benefits? it took ps3 good 2-3 years before we started to see games that were starting to push the tech

Best looking games this gen IMO

Uncharted 2
God of war 3
Alan Wake
when Bioshock came out it was quite good
Metro last light could be added to the list
GTA 4 and RDR set new standards for open world games
Halo 4 looks extremely good

vandal GAB1308d ago

@showtimefolks

Best looking CONSOLE games this gen IMO (FIXED)

And don't forget the witcher 2..

Ak47Russia1308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

This guy who wrote the article needs glasses

Halo 4 launch trailer its all touched up... WTF is this guy talking about? played Halo 4 its available on Tor***nts (still buying it) it looks good but not even close to the Trailer, there are many current gen games that look better than halo4...

andibandit1308d ago

LOL @ Killzone

are you seriously gonna take a game that never has more than 4 enemies on screen and marvel what they done with the graphics???
They looked at Halo and said lets have:

Dumber AI
Smaller Maps
Fewer Enemies
Slow paced Combat

just so we can get better graphics......only fools would praise the graphics, because they dont realize what they've sacrificed to get it.

sly-Famous1308d ago

Maybe you should play the game first before making comments that make you look silly son. If you played KZ you would have known that the AI is one of the best in the business and dont say you have played it because your comment proves otherwise. KZ may have fewer enemies but the fact is KZ3 was easily able to generate as many characters and GG did it without a visible drop in frame rate and that is the game changer as far as graphics go I just find it funny that Xbox fanboys are comparing Halo4 to a two year old game(which btw still looks better) when TLOU & Beyond: TS has clearly raised the bar for consoles once again, all done on the PS3

BigStef711308d ago

Everything you said makes no sense at all. The AI in the game is amazing. But the thing that shows your ignorance is by saying only 4 enemies are on screen at a time. You must have never played the level of KZ2 where your storming the Visari Palace and enemies just keep coming and coming until you progress to the end. Im pretty sure that part had way more than 4 enemies on the screen. So before you start trolling about how KZ sucks at least know what the fuck you are talking about. Also I like Halo and think halo 4 looks amazing but theres no way it looks as good as KZ3 which is arguably one of the if not the best looking FPS on current consoles and thats a fact my friend

Jaces1308d ago

I'll reserve judgement till it comes out, then we can fight over whether H4 is going to be better looking than next gen games.

My take on it though....I think it'll be just like every Halo game, looks good in trailers but not so much in game. Prove me wrong 343

ambientFLIER1308d ago

Lol...I still play Halo 3 on occasion and it looks damn good to me in motion. I dont know wtf kind of standards you have...

Jaces1308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

The standard where the trailers graphics live up to the actual gameplay during my run through of the campaign.

Those kind.

Captain Qwark 91308d ago

and it seems a few of you think killzone is better, the game full of 4 colors.......black, grey, brown, touch of red. very similar to gears. all this is an opinion since so many factors influence graphics but as ive stated before, i dont find graphics impressive when they use such a limited color range. it gets boring and repetitive

N4realGMRZ1308d ago

Halo 4 is the current Beast of this Console cycle.....its polish runs circles around any PS3 game with exception of maybe GOW 3........

XabiDaChosenOne1308d ago

@humbleopnion those pictures look horrible... especially that last one...

mewhy321308d ago

This game is mind blowingly awesome!!! I can't belived the extremely high level of fidelity. There isn't a game on the market that looks as good as this! What a way for Halo to close out this gen!! I mean WOW!!

princejb1341308d ago

lol i agree
there just showing a cgi
how about some actual gameplay so we can see its the same thing over again

Vortex3D1308d ago

I think everyone forgets is how good the graphics look isn't how new the hardware can be. It takes lot of understanding how to get the old hardware to produce incredible looking graphics, ie. optimization, cheats or tricks in how the graphics are drawn, and well understanding how to program the video hardware.

It takes years for the next gen hardware to show its full potential because it's opposite to what I wrote above.

Anon19741308d ago (Edited 1308d ago )

Personally, I can't wait to see what 343 does with the Halo franchise. So far it looks pretty damn impressive and I'm much more stoked for this game then I thought I would be after I found Reach to be a disappointment (from a story and single player perspective). I love that the story and characters seem to be central to this game again.

As for next gen, I'll echo what other devs have already been saying. I don't think we'll see much in the way of improved graphics. There's already only so much developers can do with the resources available to them, otherwise every game out there would look like Uncharted or Gears. What I think we'll see is better environmental interaction, better particle effects, better AI, etc. The graphics may not be overly improved but they'll probably be able to get away with more complexity in game.

lordz951305d ago

What I dont get is why the fuck is he comparing pc and console graphics seeing as pcs hardware can be changed to make games look better and mods that make games look better

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Nicaragua1309d ago

What a dumb title - Halo 4 looks nice but its hardly a benchmark for graphics.

trenso11309d ago

Agreed they're giving it way to much credit. It's only cause it has halo on the title.

spicelicka1309d ago (Edited 1309d ago )

That's bullshit, annoying fans who are used to linear corridor games with 3 inches of space to move around have been hating on halo's graphics for years. I rarely see halo get the credit it deserves for graphics.

Halo 3 didn't look amazing i agree, Reach was a bigg improvement though not the best, but halo 4 looks insane.

People have no sense of judgement. It's like looking at a car in GTA4 vs Forza. You can't ever make a car look as good in GTA as in Forza because forza is so compact and linear, they can obviously make the cars look better because you don't go off the road.

It's a sort of farfetched example because of course halo isn't completely open sandboxed like GTA, and games like killzone aren't extremely linear like forza, but you pull both things together more and you'll get the idea.

trenso11309d ago

@spicelicka i never said they looked bad, they are in fact good but they arent a graphical upgrade that people are making it out to be. It certainly looks better than other shooters this year, but to say the graphics are a benchmark is giving the game way more credit then it's due.

"That's bullshit, annoying fans who are used to linear corridor games with 3 inches of space to move around have been hating on halo's graphics for years. I rarely see halo get the credit it deserves for graphics."

Even though you didn't directly say it this was a jab toward me and I'm more of an RPG player just giving my two cents.

vortis1309d ago

@spicelicka someone obviously hasn't seen GTA 4 running on the latest iCEnhancer...it uses higher-poly versions of Forza's cars. Oh burnnnn.

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF1308d ago

Well said Spicelicka... well said.

Halo is doomed from the anti Halo fans from the start anyways. For the haters, it can only be a few things. Right now it's Halo 3 and Reach sucked.

When Halo 4 receives the high review scores... it will be in the 90s... then the fanboys will scream out.. "OH! Because of the Halo name it got those scores!!!11!" All while never playing the game, or even owning an xbox.

It will go on and on. The only ones who will be happy are like the 6 million people who are buying the game and playing it. ;)

lordz951305d ago

@vortis why the fuck are you comparing pc and console graphics and your talking about a mod on gta 4 on pc were talking bout console games and their actual graphics not something with improve graphics with a mod I bet if consoles let you put on mods for halo 4 with a mod like you mentioned halo would kick any games graphics out the window you idiot

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wages of sin1309d ago (Edited 1309d ago )

Whatever. Let me know when the PS3 gets an FPS that looks as good, plays as good and that offers as much content. Vast open worlds with vehicles...keep dreaming.

OT: There's always room for improvement but Halo 4 looks amazing and I look forward to the series future.

killerhog1309d ago (Edited 1309d ago )

Try kz2 (kz2 being 2009) and then kz3 buddy. On a standard tv those two games had some of my friends go "is this HD?".

Tell me when there's a tps that's look and runs (offers as much on screen real-time) better than starhawk. You wanted to throw Sony into an Xbox article so ill shove it in your mouth.