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Submitted by psvitamanfan 1203d ago | opinion piece

Why Microsoft Won The Next-Gen By Losing This Gen

Zach of writes;
Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo all did very well this generation. Although it is not quite over, it’s safe to say that the next generation of consoles isn’t too far away from right now.

If we look at the history of the last two generations, and if we were to decide a winner of each of those by sales figures (whether or not all sales were gaming related) it’s clear Sony won both. (Industry, Microsoft, PS3, Sony, Wii, Wii U, Xbox 360)

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LX-General-Kaos  +   1203d ago | Well said
I think Microsoft has a very fair chance to win next generation. Their brand awareness has drastically increased from last Gen, and they bring to the table the greatest online gaming structure in the history and likely future of gaming.

I myself use Xbox live as my go to service as far as competitive gaming is concerned. Within this current generation alone it would be Nintendo for my single player experiences, and Microsoft for the majority of my online competitive play. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

I personally predict Nintendo and Microsoft having a very close race to the 1st place finish by the end of next generation. Obviously only time will tell.

Rated E For Everyone
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Masane   1203d ago | Spam
Captain Qwark 9  +   1203d ago
i think your nuts. the race will be between sony and ms for sure. i coldnt care less who wins so long as they both do great. sort of like this gen, the more success each gets, the more we win

nintendo is no longer my cup of tea and even though they kicked ass this gen and will likely do well next gen, i have no interest in the wii u at the moment
BlackTar187  +   1203d ago
sad day when people call themselves gamer down vote your post full of Gamer win.

Unless it was the Nintendo line then i dunno.

but as gamers we want it to be close all the way down the stretch so their is incentive for exclusives and mutually awesome Mutli plats.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1202d ago

agreed lol. this site is very pro-sony though which is fine, they are a great company with a great system but there is no need to bash the others regularly lol.

unless it was the nintendo line but i hope they are successful as well. i didnt bash them, just said i dont have interest in them at this moment lol although the new mario is great.
Monkeycan8  +   1203d ago
how do you have so many bubbles???
greenpowerz  +   1203d ago
Well said

The spin in this article and from Sony fans makes American republicans look like school girls even more do after MSFT's report/last nights debate.
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starchild  +   1203d ago
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Democrats and Republicans are guilty of spin.
mamotte  +   1203d ago
I dont hate you or like you, but you usually get a lot of hate... how in hell do you get so many bubbles?
miyamoto  +   1203d ago
maybe he is part of a group of N Dub Nation group of Nintendo fans that form an organized tactic of bubbling him up?

They think they do a good job of promoting Nintendo but in my book they are spreading negativity all over the internet

if they have valid cause i would like to join them but i really can't find a good reason to support a platform for children, I am way past that stage.
doogiebear  +   1203d ago
There's a big difference between winning the hearts of Casuals, and hardcore. As long as sony caters to hardcore, they'll always have a massive market. Kinect 2 and wii u can keep their casuals. Comparing ms and nintendo's audience to that of Sony is like comparing apples and oranges. Core gamers know where to go, and what to avoid.
ShaunCameron  +   1203d ago
Yeah, there is a difference. And that's why Sega and Atari are no longer around. The "hardcore" crowd alone isn't big enough to carry any company over the top much less make catering to them a viable option. Nave have been and never will be. Even Nintendo and Microsoft found out the hard way with the N64, GC and the XB.
DigitalAnalog  +   1203d ago
But your examples don't exactly justify your points. Each of the consoles you mentioned had disadvantages/mistakes that put them in the situation the were. For the N64, the PSX proved they can produce more games and wasn't limited to the storage provided by the cartridges. For the GC and XB shows what happens when you come into the industry very late ESPECIALLY when the competition continue to dominate in both sale and game quality.

The HC gamer crowd has allowed the NES, SNES and Genesis that spearheaded new competition with better equipped "templates" which is why the consoles with the most streamlined and "best" features now are dominating this gen.
JellyJelly  +   1203d ago
Hardcore - Wonderbook, Playstation All-Stars.

Not hardcore - Halo 4, Forza Horizon.

Is that what you are saying?
Jazz4108  +   1203d ago
What a unprofessional childish fanboy written article. Its purley opinion and written like it came from a 8th grader.
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miyamoto  +   1203d ago
What a laugh!
"but Microsoft was the smartest out of these three."


Like Steve Ballmer, Microsoft has no vision like Sony PlayStation for gaming
Steve Balmmer does not understand the culture of video gaming
And your money is on him?

Sony PlayStation has a vision to push how games are made to technical excellence while M$ & Nintendo are in this only for the money.

Sony PlayStation had a vision to stop piracy with BluRay and now with Gaikai. That is why they are lost money money on PS3 so they can have piracy out of the way in the long run while M$ & Nintendo Xbox 360 & wii are massively pirated platforms that uses software piracy for hardware leverage

Sony PlayStation with Gaikai will put video gaming mainstream again into a broader audience yet again by putting games on any digital device possible.

Sony PlayStation knows where they are going while you can asses the other two are running out of ideas!

Sony PlayStation will continue to nurture & take care of this industry no matter what while the other two only think about themselves.

Xbox 360 has just repeated the original Xbox this gen.

It brought nothing new to the table. Sony has shown this generation that software piracy can be stopped on a grand scale if not completely.

M$ with its billions has FAILED big time to put smaller companies like Nintendo & Sony out of the game because it has no genuine interest for the sake of gaming. All it cares about is how to extract money from the industry.

All it does is copy the two Japanese veterans.

Piracy is a very serious serial killer of development houses & publishers and if M$ or Nintendo does care at least they should have done their part.
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braydox21  +   1203d ago
im not so sure about nintendo being in the for the cash, Nintendo iv'e always seen them as good for introducing their own unique ideas and just beating their own drum and just doing their own thing not just caring about whats in our wallets.
Knight_Crawler  +   1203d ago
Those bubbles!!!!!

ZOMG can I has one plezzzzzz :(

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Unlimax  +   1203d ago
Don't Touch his bubbles xD !
AlucardFury  +   1203d ago
I have this setup too, I can't see it changing myself.
Unlimax  +   1203d ago
Excuse me, my dear ~

Just realized the way you think in the "love of video games" alleged that you personally believe in ..You from those people who do not support the gaming industry open and receptive openness to other devices in the Sportsmanship , but so as not to give other devices a chance to convince them that's why they standing position aligned next to those companies !

Painful truth that Nintendo Fans HATES the success of the Playstation system's so much till this day .. For this reason they are standing position siding next to other companies against Sony !

Probably I'm out from the framework of the subject but I have had no other option to answer only these words, perhaps some people feel a little of what is happening around them.

Personal advice from me ..Do not let your interest confined to just one thing because you hate!

Oh and by talking about it .. You make me feel like you are a staff by Nintendo Co. in the way you comment on all the news .
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Pillsbury1  +   1203d ago
That is an a$$ ton of disagrees. M$ does not care about the core gamer they will only cater to the casuals and improve there arm flailing recognition system, and charge you to play online.

Rated M for Mature
yavorsv  +   1203d ago
For those who are wondering. He has "so many" bubbles, because he is not hateful. He doesn't diss the other consoles and fans. He responds to the hate towards him with kindness. Yes he talks like Nintendo PR, but he never leaves his character. He maybe a little annoying at times, but if you are so much better you will ignore him like most clever people will do.
IF you noticed Nintendo is like that,too. They don't bash. Unlike others... :D
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LX-General-Kaos  +   1203d ago
Thanks for the support and positive attitude man
dubt72  +   1203d ago
My one bubble comes from pure Sony hatred, so what he says does ring true...
MorteMafia   1203d ago | Spam
Norrison  +   1203d ago
PC: Multiplayer
PS3 & Xbox360: Singleplayer (MP only in exclusive games)
DeadlyFire  +   1203d ago
I disagree, but that's just my opinion.

XBL yes is great, but unless it goes free next generation I can see a tidal shift to Playstation/Nintendo. One of Nintendo's new main focuses will be on Multiplatform games. That was X360's focus as well, but you have to throw some core games into the mix. Nintendo's new network will be free as well. Which will make a big difference with a cheaper console.

One main problem with this generation has been RAM and heating issues. For the PS3 it was the divided RAM causing problems with ported games. Meanwhile for the X360 it was the RROD. Hopefully that won't be a problem next generation for either console.

I personally believe Nintendo and Sony will be edging it out with next generation leaving Microsoft in the dust. Microsoft will not let this happen though without a fight. I suspect a price cut on XBL at some point if it does happen.
DA_SHREDDER  +   1203d ago
Competitive gaming? Watch out overyone, we have a competitive gamer here! Everyone hide your controllers!
MorteMafia   1203d ago | Spam
pixelsword  +   1202d ago
He that blesses his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him.

Proverbs 27:14
lilbroRx  +   1203d ago
Microsoft has won no gens because their business practices prevent it. They are not going to change how they do business so nothing else is going to change.
Steven21  +   1203d ago
They're a bunch of crooks who nickel and dime their customers
NeverEnding1989   1203d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(6)
ALLWRONG  +   1203d ago
At least MS never went from first to last. Silver is better than bronze.
HammadTheBeast  +   1203d ago
Because Last to Last is such a better outlook for them.
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smashcrashbash  +   1203d ago
Yeah they aren't hasbeens they were neverweres. Microsoft has never dominated a gen and people are making a big deal because they are only now catching up and this gen is almost over. At least both Nintendo and Sony enjoyed dominating each of their gens. Sony and Nintendo each ruled at least two gens. How many have Microsoft ruled? Have they sold as many systems as the Wii or the PS1 or a PS2? Being in second place after two gens of trying is nothing to boast about and yet every one always does. They are STILL in the middle after years of trying and now Nintendo has their system out first and Sony probably isn't far behind. Even with Nintendo giving up on the Wii they STILL haven't passed it. 'look we are selling more systems now that this gen is almost over. We still haven't out paced Sony by a great amount and are still trailing behind the Wii but that is great news somehow' Let's face it. The only question is whose b***h Microsoft's system is going to be next gen Sony's or Nintendo's. Call me when they dominate a gen and don't spend it in-between systems.
NeverEnding1989  +   1203d ago
SONY failed this gen going from hero to zero.

Microsoft went from last to 2nd with no sign of stopping. Micosoft are the babies of the console wars and they've already passed the former great, SONY.

It looks like SONY will continue its downward trend if PS4 specs rumours turn out to be true.
MorteMafia   1203d ago | Spam
Cam977  +   1203d ago
Let the best contender win.
Good luck.
zebramocha  +   1203d ago
Am I the only one who find it suspicious that when it comes to who wins next gen, for Ms it proclaimed but for Sony/nintendo it's suggested?
rezzah  +   1203d ago
The media likes to shape the populations ideals.
SirBradders   1203d ago | Bad language | show | Replies(1)
Murad  +   1203d ago
I honestly lost hope in Xbox when you got exclusives like Halo, and Gears, and Lost Oddyssey, while the PS3 has jesus. Titles like MGS, Resistance, and so many others. I hope Microsoft gets more publishers to do exclusives, or else, they will lose.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1203d ago
lost oddyssey is one of the best games this gen dude. halo 3 is also up there ( reach and odst did blow though ) and halo 4 looks amazing. gears is just okay for me ( 2 was great though ) and others love 1 and 3. so your reasoning is kind of retarded.

MGS is on 360, the new one will be coming to it and the HD collection is already on it. the only one its missing is 4. Resistance are mediocre games, no better, prob slightly worse than gears and certainly not halo.

could they use more exclusives? yes of course. but losing hope because all it has is those seems idiotic. those are great franchises mostly and all you people seem to forget it is capable of playing third party titles too. most of what i play are 3rd party games becuase most fo the time they are better games anyway. dark souls, mass effect, darksiders, the witcher 2, borderlands, COD ( not for me though ) assassins creed, elder scrolls, fallout, bioshock, castlevania LOS, dead space, dantes inferno, GTA, etc........

yeah you get the occasional mind blowing exclusive on either side but very few are make or break a system. ps3s only exclusives with power like that are uncharted and perhaps gran turismo for racing fans. killzone is nothing special, infamous is pretty great but not a system seller, the souls series already migrated to xbox, resistance is done, ratchet is amazing but im pretty sure thats not a system seller ( although it did for me ), heavy rain is amazing but nor a system seller......most of these titles people can live without.

gears and halo however are system sellers and forza is for racing fans so in reality as far as the business end is concerned, ms has all they need. people can disagre all they want but find me 1 ps3 exclusive that eclipses 1 million preorders like halo can
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ipe  +   1203d ago
Gt says wtf son?? U know 70 million franchise.
Uncharted , god of war sell as much as gears. No numbers fir preorders but 1.5 million first week, 5+ million both ips.
Bunch of exclusives in 3+ million range killzone, heavy rain etc.

If resistance is mediocre with 86 average( ps3 titles) than so is 90% of 360 or wii exclusives

For note u can live without any game whatever halo or uncharted
Loki86  +   1203d ago

Uncharted and God of War sell 10 million copies? No I didn't think so, also Forza has clearly taken the top spot from GT and everyone, but Sony fanboys will admit it. I know you want to make him look stupid, but all you did was torch yourself.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1203d ago
what are you even trying to say ipe?

Gt says wtf son?? U know 70 million franchise.

-makes no sense

Uncharted , god of war sell as much as gears. No numbers fir preorders but 1.5 million first week, 5+ million both ips.

-if you read my statement, i said uncharted was a system seller. i did forget god of war though, i agree. another system seller.

Bunch of exclusives in 3+ million range killzone, heavy rain etc

-i also agree they sold well but they are not titles that people run out to buy a ps3 for, uncharted, gow, and gran turisimo would be. thats three titles just like the big three for ms, halo, gears, and forza

If resistance is mediocre with 86 average( ps3 titles) than so is 90% of 360 or wii exclusives

-the majority of exclusives are average. thats exactly my point. they dont matter as much as everyone wants to think they do. if they could make or break the system then 360 would be way farther behind the ps3 and the ps3 would be dominating the market.

For note u can live without any game whatever halo or uncharted

-kind of know what your saying here. are you trying to say "you can live without any games including halo or uncharted". and to that i would say yes but it seems you missed the whole point of my rant. so let me summarize, take your sony fanboy hood off for a minute im in no way bashing the ps3 just making a valid argument to the statement from murad.

murad said he lost hope in the 360 becuase of its exclusives like lost oddessy, halo, and gears. i countered with those are excellent franchises and even though the ps3 has more exclusives, each system has an equal amount of system seller exclusives and those are the only ones that matter. the rest would just be icing on the cake. i also noted that the 360 plays 3rd party games too believe it or not ( and the quality of many of those titles is equal or better than most exclusives most of the time ) so although the quantity of exclusives doesnt match that of ps3, 360 gamers still have plenty of games to play so losing faith in the console seems dumb considering all of those points.
kratos17  +   1203d ago
i agree with you that system sellers are very hard to come by and ms and sony each have three of those. but what i think ipe was trying to say is sony just has a few more titles and than ms.

Also games really dont have to be a system seller to be relevant. resistance and killzone may be mediocre to you but others love these games.
neoMAXMLC  +   1203d ago

What 360 exclusive game other than Halo can do 10 million? Yeah, that's right.

And no, a franchise that consistently sells less than the previous installment in the same generation can't exactly take the top spot of another game in another franchise that pretty much passed the 8 million mark by now. I'm talking about Forza and Gran Turismo 5 by the way.
Ryo-Hazuki  +   1203d ago
@ Loki

Xbox gamers don't even buy Forza like that. While each Forza sells like 1.5 to 2 mil lifetime GT5 sells 8 million. Who's really the top dog in driving simulators? I'll take GT physics over forza's any day.
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Murad  +   1203d ago
I totally disagree with you. I don't think Kojima is even bothering giving the MGS series away just yet. He only wants to give away Raiden's part, which is what I believe you are talking about (correct me if I'm wrong tough, haven't check any news since the newest title). Also, Killzone not special? Dude, Killzone redefined almost the FPS genre, with it's amazing atmospheric, 24/7 amazing graphics at almost 60 fps per second. The Xbox, no offence to anyony, would die at barely running 30.

Gears and Halo system sellers you say? I don't agree with it, but you are entitled to you own opinions. However, I finished play Gears 2, and Gears 1, and somewhat excited for Gears 3, just to end the story. However, Gears 1, Jesus, the game is a total shit on. The graphics look terrible, and when I say that, I mean aesthetics, it looks like black, brown and maybe a little bit red. The characters model look like hunchbacks. However, 2 fixes all that, but console seller? What planet do you live on? Not only does it cost money to go online, but what's worse is that after Halo the games started becoming worse. The graphics aren't amazing. The true gameplay actually lies in multiplayer, even though I swear it should be illegal to have a multiplayer if there is not a good story in the first place. And what's worse is that people said that Halo's story was as good as MGS4's. MGS 4 made me cry almost, Halo made me say wtf three times over.
DigitalRaptor  +   1203d ago
@ Loki86

So, you bring franchise sales into your argument, and then use that reasoning to suggest that GT has been surpassed by Forza, which sales decline by each iteration and cannot match GT5's 8+ million. So fail there.

But I think you were probably also referring to quality, so let's argue that. GT is still top dog at what the series has always provided, and that is - a driving simulator. It says it on the box.

Forza is being scored as a fun-fun racing game, and because of that, you'll see the better scores. Notice how GT5's campaign required you race and progress to unlock features in an RPG-style fashion (mirroring what a real race driver would probably have to do), and as such was left incomplete by reviewers. That shows the kind of people who are reviewing GT these days. They're reviewing it by an arcade racer's standards, when it's a game made for driving enthusiasts.

And that is what Forza Motorsport is. When your game allows race rewind and adjusts real-life tracks to make it easier to race, that says it all. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking on Forza's quality, but I feel like people are judging GT against it like they are both striving for the same thing. These things are what they are. One is a driving simulator in one of the truest senses, and the other is an arcade racing game with features of a sim.

That's where people get the "GT is still the one of me".
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beerkeg  +   1203d ago
I didn't know the Ps3 had Jesus. Well, you learn something new every day.
doogiebear  +   1203d ago
Well, in this age of big companies selling out to casuals (aka unbelievers), we need a shephard that will rescue the hardcore audience. That is Sony (No blasphemy intended to the lord :O)
Sketchy_Galore  +   1203d ago
My plan is to buy the first true next gen console released, which will most likely be the Xbox 720 (or whatever its called) then move on to the Playstation 4 whenever Sony release it. Of course this could all change, maybe Microsoft have let their hardcore gaming slip on the 360 because they're really concentrating on being the kings of the hardcore game next gen, in which case I'll stick with the Xbox. Maybe they have just completely abandoned hardcore gaming and the 720 will be all gimmicks and casual games in which case I'll wait.

In short, my plan is to do something.
Ryo-Hazuki  +   1203d ago
That's the excuse I hear from MS fanboys all the time. "Microsoft have let their hardcore gaming slip on the 360 because they're really concentrating on being the kings of the hardcore game next gen." I guess MS has been concentrating on next-gen games since 2009. Sony already has the biggest world wide studios so you know the games will be there and but to have party chat for free while online is free is a 1...2 punch IMO. I really don't understand how people fork over money to MS just to have access to play online. Are you guys serious?
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Rachel_Alucard  +   1203d ago

It's because Xbox live was the first console online system that came out. Back then, PSN didn't exist and occasionally some PS2 games did have broadband support.

You didn't really have a choice back then so thats why paying 50$/yr seemed okay at the time. But since PSN was released as free, now many people can see how screwed they are getting with Xbox. At first inception of Xbox live the pricing was basically as follows:

1 month: 6$
3 month: 15$
12 month: 50$

Nowadays its:

1 month: 10$
3 month: 25$
12 month: 60$

This wouldnt be so bad if they priced lower increments so I wouldn't be paying twice as much money compared to getting a year. At least on original xbox even if you bought the monthly sub the most you would overpay by is 12$. Now if you pay monthly you'll be paying 2X the yearly sub. On a side note the price increase was due to things like CoD exclusiveness, useless apps, and other timed exclusiveness.


Also as to the question of why people keep paying for basic services is due to in part to a psychological sense of peer pressure. MS was hanfing out 2 month free trials like crazy back in OXbox days, now your lucky if you can even receive a 48 hour trial. The goal with OXbox was to get as big a demographic as possible on the service, which is why there are so many subscribers here today. Lots of people are still there due to their RL friends having one or maybe because they met some online friends through the service and don't want to abandon them? As of today the service is mostly run by just computer literate middle aged men with no gaming or consumer knowledge.

(Skip to 25:04)

If people want to keep paying for the service that's fine, but don't expect it to sustain itself once the FPS craze ends.
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DEATHSTROKE-cro-  +   1203d ago
Sony invests money in new and different IP's.
MS and Nintendo don't.
that's why I like playstation and will buy PS4.
IQUITN4G  +   1203d ago
I'm more than happy with the choice of games on 360. I tend to buy 5 or 6 disc games a year with the majority not first part either. A bunch more xbla games too. I guess if you buy a truck load of games a year then you might moan the lack of many killer exclusives say but it's not as if there isn't lots of other great multi games to choose. And MS has provided great exclusives for this christmas anyway in the form of Halo4 and Horizon which fans will lap up. If you don't like the exclusives then there's plenty left to choose from though

Like Nintendo though, MS knows it's own market very well and they can go into the next round in good shape
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MrMister  +   1203d ago
I dont even have an xbox and yet i'm also happy with the selection of games on it. Do you know WHY? Because us PS3 gamers get almost ALL the same games 360 gets, plus free online, and original, creative, hardcore, Brand new IP's. So it's not that xbox sucks, its just nothing compared to what ps3 guys get since we got all your games, and our exclusives outshine, outnumber, and out class all of xbox's. Don't like what I said? Prove me wrong.
IQUITN4G  +   1203d ago
Silly argument. If you like particular exclusives then another machine just isn't going to cut it. Can't play Halo on PS3 so it would be a waste of time to me especially as I don't like many of the Exclusives. Can't play Radiant Silvergun or indeed most of the xbla games on PS3

Xbox owners can quite happily state they prefer their range of exclusives in the same way you do

I'd try to prove you wrong perhaps if I felt it was even worth it, but as for not liking your opinion, feel free to have your own. I'm happy knowing my opinion is the right one for me
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YodaCracker  +   1203d ago
"our exclusives outshine, outnumber, and out class all of xbox's. Don't like what I said? Prove me wrong."


"Outshine" and "outclass" suggest PS3 exclusives are of higher quality than 360 exclusives, but that is completely subjective and many would believe the 360's exclusives outclass the PS3's. You are definitely wrong with "outnumber" though. The Xbox 360 does have more exclusive titles than the PS3 and that is a fact which I will gladly back up with sources:

Xbox 360 - 247 exclusive titles

PS3 - 207 exclusive titles
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AngelicIceDiamond  +   1203d ago
I believe MS deserves to go next gen, a prediction is awarded because MS is doing so well right now for the sake of the title.

They have an established games along with an established and constantly evolving popular online network. XBL Arcade saw its strongest year yet with Alan Wake AN, Trials Evolution, Mark Of the Ninja, Dust: Am Elysian Tale and the 4 million plus selling smash hit MineCraft. And F2P is making a its appearance in a big way.

MS seems to do this every year they create an instant smash Ip's to start off things off. The Gears OF War series and (Now Multiplat) The ME series.

Next gen MS will more than likely do it again adding more smash Ip's under there belt. That people must buy and must play.

To clear the air, MS dished out exclusives for 5 years from 2005 to 2010. 2010 was there strongest line up with Reach and Fable 3, Splinter Cell conviction and Alan Wake. MS more than proved they can deliver huge AAA exclusives through out the years.

So for the next 2 to 3 after after that, what's the problem with opening up to a new audience? With Kinect and Social and casual games to grab that audience? Every company has that period of time and Sonys's casual turn is this holiday let alone this year. With Wonder Book, LBP Carting.

It paid off for MS in huge way it should pay off for Sony also.
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WeskerChildReborned  +   1203d ago
You can't really say they won a gen when this gen isn't even over, Nintendo is already starting their gen next month while Microsoft and Sony might start next year or 2014.
JsonHenry  +   1203d ago
How has MS "lost" this gen? They beat the hell out of Sony with attach rates, sales, digital rentals/sales, you name it.
hotrider12  +   1203d ago
welcome to the WORLD OF N4G
the "only" site where SALES matter and logic an rationality is immature.

let the debate begins.
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madjedi  +   1203d ago
They may not have lost, but they sure as hell didn't win it either.

"They beat the hell out of Sony with attach rates, sales, digital rentals/sales, you name it." Right sales is always more important than fun enjoyable games.

The wii sold 90+ million, i wouldn't trade either the ps3's or the 360's lineup for it's sales. I'd would rather sony remain in 3rd place with it's killer lineup, than be in first with the wii's graveyard selection.

Why is it alot pro 360 gamers, seem more interested in sales figures than new exclusives. Unless your getting a cut of the profits, why do you idiots care.

Looking at it's old catalogue the 360 has lost alot of steam in it's exclusives department. If the next xbox is more like the last 3 yrs of this gen, rather than the first 3, a bullet would be merciful.

@noone in particular

What the hell happened to actual gamers, wanting to play new games, why did exclusives become a bad thing this gen.

It was fun 4 yrs ago(the ps3/360 console war arguments), both sides would be talking about their exclusives and why they were such kickass games.

Now it's just fucking sales discussions, or how bethesda games run so horribly on the ps3. Get new arguments a gamer would actually care about.

But then again you have alot of bandwagon gamers, that didn't like the ps3 till it was on the up swing.
MeNoRasta  +   1203d ago
Microsoft lost this gen? explain how when Sony came last and Microsoft second in sales and AAA titles and even the ps3 AAA titles didnt sell as well as xbox AAA titles, so i ask again how did Microsoft lose?
Loki86  +   1203d ago
Shh, don't use logic on N4G the MS haters will come in droves.
neoMAXMLC  +   1203d ago
A little defensive are we? The article said nothing about Sony winning this gen. Explain to me how getting second place doesn't mean losing? Second place is just another way of saying first to lose.

Microsoft has yet to be number one.
doogiebear  +   1203d ago
Ps3 sales have surpassed xbox's worldwide. U can think xbox won, but Sony has caught up in America (xbox leads by just a little bit here), while ps3 leads in Europe, dominates in Japan (xbox's are no longer manufactured there lol), and much of the other nations prefer ps3 since they dont have to pay for xbox live (which only a fool would do). So ps3 is dominating, and is good for the industry. Ms only cares about kinect now. I dont know if MS will go for hardcore or kinect clowns next gen, but my money is on Sony anyway because people who helped sony catch up to MS will remember Sony when next gen comes. And they'lll also weigh in the fact that MS abandoned the core for more money via kinect (like MS doesnt have enough money)
AngelicIceDiamond  +   1203d ago
Now this a perfectly constructed fanboy statement.

Be careful reading this you might kill some brain cells.

We have the usual "MS abandoning hardcore" No they changed focus to there resources that caters to the casual. You know, to open up to the casual market for more sales(kinda like what Sony's doing this year). The rest of the world are to busy playing 3rd party games on Xbox and PlayStation. Exclusives is just something to brag about this late in the console gen.

PS3 outselling Xbox WW sooo not true. Has the PS3 hit 70million consoles sold like Xbox? no it hasn't, you fanboys need to quit making stuff up.

Now the insults begin with "only a fool would pay for Xbox." You automatically failed hard on that statement. You just said that out of sheer ignorance and hate which holds no substance at all nor relevance to the many, besides the many fanboys such as yourself so that statement is pointless and I don't respect that opinion since you have a clear status of a fanboy.
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DivineAssault  +   1203d ago
360 got a year head start & was actually really good in the first 3 or so years of its life but to win nx gen? Highly unlikely.. Only the US prefers xbox & the rest of the world prefers PS.. Thats not going to change anytime soon..

If sales continue they way they are, PS4 will no doubt win.. MS has already lost an entire region & yes the US makes up for that BUT ppl in the US still buy PS as well.. The direction theyre heading in, focusing on media & casual may keep them in the race but i highly doubt it will mean victory.. Unless they go back to getting 3rd party exclusive games & release first party games beyond casual & shooting, i dont see much of a difference in sales happening.. They lost bioware as an exclusive 2nd party dev company, that will hurt them..
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Blues Cowboy  +   1203d ago
You mean Sony, surely?
I personally think that Microsoft are on thin ice as far as first and second-party content goes, especially when going into a new generation. Sony have spent this generation quietly assembling a small army of excellent studios, from indies to massive AAA goliaths, while Microsoft has continually let theirs fall through their fingers.

I've found myself playing a lot more X360 towards the start of this gen and during the first few years of the PS3, but now, the quality of Sony's stable has me coming back more often than not (when I'm not on PC, that is).

I'd actually suggest that it's Sony, not Microsoft, that have set themselves up for a triumphant next generation by not entirely capitalising on this one. As DivineAssault says above, Microsoft's loss of BioWare and Bungie, not to mention the ghosts of Rare and Lionhead, aren't going to stand them in great stead when gamers demand new and exciting games at the start of a console cycle IMO.
Loki86  +   1203d ago
I disagree when Microsoft has 10-12 studios working on next-gen games already while Sony has barely got their foot in the door regarding next-gen.
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neoMAXMLC  +   1203d ago
You'd make a good point if you didn't pull out that statement from your ass.
GrahamGolden  +   1203d ago
name them one by one.
" while Sony has barely got their foot in the door regarding next-gen."

sony for next gen already have
santa monica
naughty dog
quantic dreams
sucker punch
polyphony digital
media molecule

not to mention all the indies studios they got already working for next gen.

bungie is multiplatform now
lionhead after the EPIC IMBA FAIL fable the journey are failing and most left-fired.if not mistaken that french tard who like talking through his @ss left lionhead ?
Microsoft studios...what the hell did they do this gen ? most the games they did were crap-didnt sale at all.

MS exclusive halo kk ,gears kk forza kk
sony exclusive god of war 3,uncharted 1-2-3,killzone 2-3,LBP 1-2,heavenly sword,heavy rain,beyond 2 souls,PSASBR,the last of us,gt5,journey,the secret swam,rain,until dawn,the last guardian,mgs4,maybe ff13v,motostorm,LBP:karting... want me to continue ? the list goes on and on....
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Ak47Russia  +   1201d ago
Reinforcing everything you just said? haha you delusional! fk u and fk socialists your delusional, you live in wonderland, to much drugs eh? lol

and stop repeating me "slave" you can go screw ur self and your military fag "buddies" i gave facts from your stupid law (you don't even know ur laws lol) what a loser. your a little slave move along, go sniff a little more...
chronoforce  +   1203d ago
this article makes sense, microsoft is only company out of 3 in the current gen thats in good position. they sold about 25 millon Xbox's last gen and have sold 70 million 360's, they have effectively increased their install base, im sure alot of the people that owned PS2's like me swithed up so sony have halved theirs and ninty is a relying on a very fickle audience to constantly buy their products.

As the game cube showed us there are only about 20 million core nintendo gamers maybe 30 now.though i agree with in terms of sofware sony is preparing but they have to get out first which is unlikely, they risk falling further behind

Microsoft's loss of all the named studio is very worrying though i think their not as willing anymore to go into bidding wars for studio's, especially if their games don't put out more than what's put in
Soldierone  +   1203d ago
Until the other two start investing in GAMES and not timed exclusive crap or other features to the "media center" then Sony will always be my choice. I buy a game system to PLAY GAMES, not watch ESPN or play the same games over and over, or a week early.

Sony has an advantage because their company is massive, so they can work deals elsewhere to bring to PlayStation. So they still get apps, they still get other services, they still expand beyond games. However they still have JUST PLAYSTATION, so they have a branch specifically spending money on games.

When one console is constantly getting announcements for new games, while the other is announcing the 50th game in its main icons line up, and the third is announcing yet another "timed exclusive" deal no one cares about, you wonder who is in it for the gamers. (option 1)
Neonridr  +   1203d ago
LOL, says the fans who were all on the fact that the PS3 had a bluray player..

Oh and if you are referring to Nintendo's 50th game in it's main icons lineup, it still sells millions more than Sony's new IP..
Soldierone  +   1203d ago
Blu-ray player allows bigger games on a single disc, how does that not help the games? LOL

and LOL why do sales mean everything to all the anti-Sony fanboys? More annoying than the fanboys. "but but but we sold more!" And that affects me as a gamer how? Sony is selling fine, they are not going anywhere, so why care about how many units they sell? Its selling, enough said.

Its also funny at the disagrees. I guess people don't buy GAMING system to play games? They buy them to brag about sales? Thats kinda weird.
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Neonridr  +   1203d ago
Soldierone - no I totally understand the benefits of having a bluray disc in terms of game sizes, I just meant so many Sony fans would proclaim that the PS3 was better because it has a bluray player in it, something that is getting away from playing games and turning it more into a media center. If anything, Nintendo is the least guilty of that. They make their systems usually only capable of playing games because having those extra components only drives the price of the system up. Sales don't mean everything, but they definitely have to count for something, otherwise you could sit here and tell me that the Vita is a huge success, and I would merely suggest that the sales prove that it's not. So at the end of the day, sales do have to account a little bit.
ShaunCameron  +   1203d ago

Good for you. But um, Sony is just as much about being a media center as Microsoft is. It's just that they got beaten at their own game. As far as investing in games go, Sony's doing what Microsoft already did 4-5 years ago. Microsoft stopped investing in most of them because according to their sales figures its own userbase didn't want them. So they shelved them for the games they do want. How is it good business for a company to churn out products that no one asked for much less care to advertise? Sony's just pumping out IP's for the sake of it now.

And because their company is "massive", Sony is laying people off. And it's at a time when their finances are in the crapper thanks to years of mismanagement, wasteful spending and merchandise that the mass market much rather buy from the competition exacerbated by a bad global economy.

Yeah. And you wonder who's the one still holding onto lost hope while everyone else is moving on. (option 1).
TronEOL  +   1203d ago
I don't see how they came to this conclusion. If anything, Sony has learned from getting smacked around this generation and they'll come out swinging next generation.

People need to look at more than just sales numbers. They need to see the mentality and performance of these companies. Microsoft is in the transition of linking all their products to Windows 8, and in doing so making them available to everyone. Which if anybody knows anything about spreading resources, they get thin. So a gamer is equal to an app user, or someone who watches TV. Not only that but Microsoft LOVES to advertise, as shown to be very obvious by this generation that they spend more money on advertising than making games.

Sony, on the other hand, has a bit more to lose and is also in the motions of putting all their products under one umbrella, and gaming is a main part of it. Sony is pushing their device for enthusiasts of all entertainment types, and still able to apply to family-types with the ability to watch Netflix and such without having to pay for an unrelated subscription service. And not only that but it looks like even fans who moved over to the Xbox are realizing that Sony's free SEN/PSN is almost catching up to Live, and surpassing it in some places when PS+ comes into the picture (easily the best deal any gamer could ever ask for).

Basically, I'm hearing a lot more of people switching over to PS3 (although not enough to really matter to Microsoft), and if Sony ups it's ante any more, Microsoft will have something to worry about.

But of course, as a gamer I hope Microsoft stays as a new competitor for some time since I feel they fit in perfectly as one of the big 3 and have brought quite a bit to the industry that isn't so much game related, but more UI and community related features.

Let's all be honest here, Microsoft really did push 100% with online play with the Xbox. Of course everyone was going there, but Microsoft needed something to stand out, and they did so with flying colours.
Eyeco  +   1202d ago
Assuming that Sony still isn't as arrogant as they were at the beginning of this gen which isn't the case, I agree with you 110%, this generation will quite beneficial for Sony they would have learn't allot. Hopefully Sony will pick up from where they left of this gen and refine and expand it with the PS4,

Apply the same method with Microsoft and honest to god the 720 doesn't sound too attractive at this point, if Microsoft is gonna continue to focus on the casual gamers, irrelevant social networking features, the over reliance of the Halo and Gears IP (I do like both but there's only so much you can get out of a shooter) and timed exclusivity, then the 720 isn't sounding too hot, but lets just wait and see for a reveal.
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josephayal  +   1203d ago
Console wars are very stupid. Both ps3 and the 360 (wii is the winner) have features that the other hasn't and things that make them awesome
StreetsofRage  +   1203d ago
Let me get something straight... Microsoft lost this gen by beating the ps3, tripling its userbase from the original xbox, and quadrupling its market share??? That's losing? :/

Where are all these ps3 exclusive games that people keep on talking about? I haven't bought an exclusive since Uncharted 3. Last game I bought for my ps3 was Street Fighter vs Tekken.

Must be more sony fantasy land talk.
neoMAXMLC  +   1203d ago
I haven't bought a 360 exclusive since Forza 4. Your point?

The 360 is still in second place. Microsoft has yet to be number one. Read the article why don't ya? Nowhere does it say that Sony is winning.
humbleopinion  +   1203d ago
It gets even funnier: The article also mentions Microsoft lost this gen because it used DVD whereas at the same time it not only saved them money, but also prevented similar delays like the PS3 had.

Bluray also caused various additional issues like forced installs on the PS3 because read speed was not fast enough. Forced installs would have required the Xbox 360 to have a mandatory hard drive, making the basic model more expensive and a harder sell for people with limited budget. Sticking to DVD was just the right move back in 2005.
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Clarence  +   1203d ago
Toe to toe the Xbox will not be able to outsell the playstation WW. M$ will have to release the next Xbox before Sony releases its next playstation to beat Sony. The next playstation will be priced better.
I feel M$ will have more consoles in sold in the US but everywhere else the playstation will out preform it.
Tales RPG addict  +   1203d ago
I have all 3 current Gen. consoles and besides as it is. I'm tired of how Nintendo continually rehashes the same First Party Franchises. Yeah they add in some innovations to them, but as a long time Nintendo Consumer since the late 80's.
I'm tired of it.
I support SONY today more than Nintendo cause they push the envelope more than Nintendo.
Super Mario Bros. isn't the pioneer for Sidescrolling/platforming Pac Land is.
Legend of Zelda isn't the Grandpappy of Action RPG's DRAGON SLAYER by Nihon Falcom is and the game came out in 1984.

Super Smash Bros. isn't the pioneer for Fighting/brawler

Look up The information. Pac Land, Dragon Slayer, The Outfoxies

Sigh, I love Nintendo with all my heart but their rehashing of the same franchises has been getting more than far too old for me.
Phoenix76  +   1203d ago
OH PLS!!!!!

Can everyone stop jumping on bandwagons here?? seriously ppl, the next gen of console isnt even here yet and yet, ppl put out stupid waste of inter-web space on shitty articles like this!!!

Lets just wait and see what happens.
GhostHero333  +   1203d ago
Losing this gen? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Thats why this is the what 22nd month being the most sold console. Wow, not enough news out there so lets just make up a bogus story.
P.S. All the playstation fanboys are giving me the dislikes. :)
dragonyght  +   1203d ago
yeah lets forget wii existence shall we
ceballos77mx  +   1203d ago
The wii doesn't exist on this site, specially on the discussion of who sold more.
Tdmd  +   1203d ago
Maybe this is just me being stuborn or closed minded, but my money always goes towards the platform with the most quality and varied software support, as I tend to see any aditional features as a bonus. And for three generations in a row, sony was this platform. If they can keep it up in the future, I don't care if the next xbox can turn into a transformer, I'll buy a sony console again.
chukamachine  +   1203d ago
Not sure about next gen.

But Nintendo is mario and 3rd party games.

Microsoft is halo,gears,fable,forza.

Sony is GT,killzone4,uncharted4,and many new i.p's coming. plus all the 3rd party content.

I'll stick with SONY thanks.

Forza has bad physics. Gears has awful movement, halo is done.

Mario party 400, mariokart 900.

sdplisken  +   1203d ago

sony has put out more kick ass new ips this gen than kidtendo and M$ combined

demon's souls, uncharted, inFamous, little big planet, heavy rain, heavenly sword, motorstorm, resistance, the last of us, beyond, the last guardian, journey etc

just ONE of the reasons i support them and am loyal to the brand

cant wait for ps4, its all i need for next gen
Grandmaster-B  +   1203d ago
So what? M$ sets new standarts for sales and Sony for quality games, hope you can enjoy that.
M$ can win as long I get my set standartering games.
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ItsTrue  +   1203d ago
Uhh sorry but I don't understand you... From what I read, as long as you get your (something) games you'll be happy. I agree with that. The rest...I don't understand.
WiiStation_360  +   1203d ago
Fail troll is fail
BitbyDeath  +   1203d ago
Can't people just accept that everyone has different tastes and leave it at that?

This thread shouldn't even be allowed on N4G, all these do is start fires. You should all re-read your posts and see how stupid you really sound.
JBernardo  +   1203d ago
"Why Microsoft Won The Next-Gen By Losing This Gen"

What kind of title is this? As far as we know M$ could say that they won't release a Next Gen Console (of course they will but it's just an example). I won't even bother to read the article.
wiiulee  +   1203d ago
lol..i dont see a chance in the world for sony or microsoft to win next generation...wiiu is ahead to stay.....and even when sony and microsoft copy nintendo and you know they will.....nintendo can take their time and bring out a new system in 4 years instead of 5 or 6.
tubers  +   1203d ago
In terms of sales i'm sure the Wii U will pretty much be in the lead.. unless the next PS360 are as cheap but have much better hardware.
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