EG writes "Trouble for Sony as new custom firmware and security keys are released."
Ah crap...and so it begins...
A sensible comment from someone who knows what they're talking about: 'I think Sony are laughing their butts off. The CFW that is out is bricking a lot of 3.55 PS3's - the only people who would benefit from this leak are those who already have CFW installed. Newer PS3's have lv0.2 which can't be cracked (the private keys are with Sony and no where else) so can't go to 3.55 to get the CFW. So we have pirates who have no real change, they just have an update to their CFW, normal users who can't use the CFW and pirates who have now lost their pride and joy, their 3.55 PS3's so will have to get it repaired or spend a fortune on a used fat with 3.55. Sony will have learnt a lot about security with the PS3 though so the PS4 should be very secure, I'll be very surprised if it's ever hacked unless Sony make a major mistake with the software or hardware that gives an attack vector.' It's a hack of a hack people. So only those that have already hacked the PS3 can use it.
These day hacking any device isn't really beneficial. They all have fw update wich is a pain in the buttock to keep up. I still waiting for IOS 6 jailbreak and unlock.
See, this sort of works two ways. This whole hacking thing sucks horribly (or at least did) for normal users who just want to play and enjoy video games (you know, the reason Sony makes PlayStation), but, it also allows Sony to beef up their security. To say the PS4 won't be hacked, tho, is kind of unrealistic. It may last longer than the PS3 did (which was very long, and only hacked because something was stolen, which is illegal), but someone will get it eventually.
I doubt they will make it easy for PS4 to be hacked at all. The PS Vita is pretty much impossible, why should PS4 be any less
@ shoddy Exactly. If some of these guys have such a passion for running custom software for specific hardware, then build a custom PC and go crazy with Linux. If you buy a console, or phone or whatever, they are designed to perform specific tasks implemented by the designers... So we purchase those consoles, phones, etc because we want access to those services on that design. If these hack/crackers are so brilliant, there is an entire industry in which they can work and bring their constructive ideas to life. I can certainly appreciate pressing the envelope to tear through the abstractions of hardware v software, but if it's just about free games and phone calls then the hack/cracker in that case is nothing more than a thief with too much knowledge.
Man you guys get worked up over the dumbest shit. sony will fix whatever the problem is and ittle be over with. people are gonna do what people are gonna do. nothing whining can do to stop it.
I guess we all knew the PS3 would face this day at some point. Too bad it was a fun ride.
I like you comments gribble. Your crazy but I like u
@Guitarded Who are you to tell someone what they can/can't do with their own device that they purchased?
True. If I buy a crowbar, no-one should be able to tell me not to break into your house and take your money.
@Gribble You can straw-man all you like. It doesn't support your argument any better. I can come up with a million different situations that SOUND terrible, but are related in no way whatsoever. Fact of the matter is, it's your device. You do with it what you please. If you want to hack it, you hack it. If you want to pirate, then do that, but you may have to deal with consequences. But who are you people to actually tell a person what they can or can't do with WHAT THEY PURCHASED WITH THEIR OWN MONEY. In fact, the people saying that modifying their devices isn't even worth it, the fact that features come about that Sony, Apple, or any other company would have never included way outweighs not jailbreaking/modding it. I have my ipod jailbroken, and I do not even use it to download apps. The functionality increased by several 100%, but according to you I'm scum and villainy. The fact that you clowns automatically jump to piracy as the number one reason that a person would want to modify their device speaks wonders about your insecurities and your loyalty to a company that doesn't give two craps about you.
right.....cuz we know the hackers will just stop here and not have a new firmware update within a week. those hackers are notorious for being extremely lazy and unmotivated........ @ZombieNinjaPanda: you'd think these people had something to do with the creation of the system or the software...the way they get so bent out of shape over something that has nothing to do with them.
ZombieNinjaPanda I don't recall calling you scum. You're argument is flawed in a fundamental way but I doubt a long drawn out explanation would convince you of that. You need to protect your position in order to justify what you do. I bought my PS3 to play games. How many of those games is down to developer support. If I play copied games then the developers have less reason to support the PS3. This leads to me having less games to play. No matter what you use cracks for, others use that same crack for something less benign. If what you are doing allows you to play games for free, then people have the right to complain about you because you are removing the incentive for developers to support the console. Ask any PSP owner Walk into a store, pick up a CD and walk out without paying. Do you think your argument would stand then? What's the difference? It's a product that someone has made that you should have paid for but you didn't: theft.
Thank you for this comment. I am totally buying a PS4 next gen over whatever Microsoft puts out. Through their ordeals they will have learned so much since this generation. And they handled the attack like pros giving us free games and stuff. And they don't spam us with ads like microsoft, they don't give into the lucrative sales to casuals, they have free online and they have been pushing out some great new IPs. SONY FTW!
@GribbleGrunger While I agree with most of everything you're saying, what you stated there isn't the definition of theft. On top of that pirating games also isn't theft. It's actually copyright infringement, which of course is just as illegal and admonishable. The more you know.
***"The fact that you clowns automatically jump to piracy as the number one reason that a person would want to modify their device speaks wonders about your insecurities and your loyalty to a company that doesn't give two craps about you."*** Ummm that is the number one reason why a person would modify their device.... well I'm pretty sure it isn't reason number 28.... Don't tell you're one of those people that think that most PC gamers that pirate a game only do so to test the game before buying it. Please, we all know people want stuff for free.
@GribbleGrunger... The only reason the ps3 took 'so long' to hack is because all of the big hackers did not care, but once sony gave them a reason to be angry they opened up the system. All systems/hardware/software are prone to hacks, its a matter of time. Back to the article - I dont know how these USBs will be used, I assume most users will have a more up to date FW installed. Sony really wont even take notice of this, the console has to be already hacked for this to work, and of all the PS3's out there I assume its less than 1% (generous) that are hacked.
Hacking has one benefit; it results in more hardware sales. I live in Asia and over here people are poor. An average person who works 10 hours a day only earns around $200 a month out of which he has to pay for rent, bills, food, clothes and transport. A passionate gamer may be able to buy a console after saving bit by bit for a couple of years but he could never afford to buy $60 games when he has a family to feed. He only has one choice either to quit gaming or get a hacked console. Therefore they buy the console brand which has been hacked so that they can play games for a cheap price. For several years XBOX360 was the most popular console over here because you could buy a pirated game for as little as $2. That is why XBOX has higher sales; it is more popular in third world countries like Pakistan, India, Philippines and Malaysia. Nobody bought the PS3 because it was unhackable but after the CFW 3.55 hack we were able to play PS3 games finally. The hacks only result in sales for the console in third world countries and more total sales. Consoles are not officially released over here so the sales appear in sales numbers from their respective regions. I know people hate pirates and hackers but for us guys they are like heroes and saviours who allow us get a taste of the fun and pleasure of gaming. If there were no hackers, we would never be able to experience any of the great games. It is a necessary evil for us...
@ zombie Ok i paid for it but i also bought my House, where there are clear and spacific rules about what you acn and can't do. i decide however to modify it, i put an extension on, raise the roof 10ft build a garage, even have chickens in the back garden etc etc etc... Local authorities see this due to either complaints by their other residents or by just checking an area. i am forced to remove everything as i did not have permission, planning etc etc. in other terms you may own the device however you do not own the abilty to mess with everything on that device. Its called control and when it affects others i.e. me getting online for a game it then affects the masses and further stricter measures are taken and enforced. it's a minority of bloody minded people that insist and continue to try to push little boundaries all the time for very little or no benefit to others. Sony may not give a hoot about me personally, although i am a customer and i think that customers are respected and their needs are looked at very closely, whatever you want to say about any company customer service be it excellent or pants they still invest millions into maintaining a certain image that they and every other company in the world try to do. if you had someone that affected your business and customers you would certainly look at ways to make sure your customers were protected, unless you really did not care about their personal details being leaked and you name being bad mouthed in the press. How much did the downtime cost? i don't have the figures but i'm sure it wasn't pennies... Go and build something on the side of your house (modification) then watch as you are forced to remove it, or taken to court if you dont!
Just read back through this from last night and have to say: 'what an half-baked argument from me that is'. Up late/No sleep/Oh dear. But in essence, I stand by what I waffled.
@ZombieNinjaPanda You're using the same argument everyone does to justify this and i'm the same, it's a nonsense argument you own the hardware and yea you can do what you want with it, the thing you don't own is the software and when it comes to editing software you have no rights at all. I have a jailbroken phone and i've modded my consoles in the past but i know full well in the eyes of the law i don't have a leg to stand on when i start playing with the software.
Anything can be hacked and it's stupid to think it's impossible to hack any device, essentially thier only hope is to make it as difficult as possible for it to be hacked, not to say they havent done that or anything but either way its unlikely but not impossible.
The PS3 has remained an unhackable console for the last 6 years and it will continue to be unhackable until the end of time. Sony will just keep patching any holes they find and arrest anyone who hacks the ps3. If you want to steal games, do it on PC where there is no console war. Sony can't afford to have anyone stealing games or hacking into psn. They have a war to fight and they will win.
A war to fight? No, my brother who is stationed in Afghanistan has a war to fight. Sony's just another corporation that wants to make money and is protecting their interests. Ease up on the hyperbole, it's just videogames, here.
@yeaokchief.. Sony might be doing great in the gaming division, and having 'core gamers backs' But lets not forget the other things they have done in the past. Not having backwards compatibility even though it was possible, or the CD root thing, or how they did not let customers know about the hack for a few days. Thats a few things You can say the RROD was a catastrophe but MS at least provided a free repair service and an extended warranty. All large organisations just want to effectively make money, so if thats the primary goal everything else is secondary..Like its customers. Also if a person does not yet have a console, now is not the time to invest in a ps3 or xbox 360. Wait for next gen or the Wii U.
well you're right and wrong,if these LV0 keys are for real,SOny can't do shit anymore,they need a new hardware,so they actually released the new PS3 slim,that one can't be hacked,but the people who still have fat consoles and early slim versions they can jailbreak it,if these LV0 are the real deal,it means ever update Sony will make,they will be able to break it Sony to arrest anyone who hack a PS3,dude don't be so naive,wake up,Sony again can't really do that,the first time it was easier for them because those guys brag about,it was easy to find them,then there is the problem with the laws,every country has there own law,and not every country is that harsh about piracy,deal with it,piracy was before you were born,and it will remain after you are dead
I'VE JUST UPDATED MY PS3 and singstar is ON THE XMB!!! WHY?!
This hack wont hurt PS3 sales because it only works on some of the older slim PS3 models that or on FW 3.55 or less. The new super-slim models are still unhackable because they have different LV0 keys and even most of the older models are getting bricked. Rogero who created and uploaded the first CFW 4.21 has pulled it down due to large number of bricks and is testing the CFW again. So to those hoping that this spells the end for PS3 should go back to their caves. If hacking killed a console then XBOX360 should have been dead a long time ago. It is the most easily hacked console and in my country I can buy a pirated XBOX360 game for only $2. As a matter of fact hacking only helped XBOX360 maintain its sales lead because it is is cheap to own and play one
@ AsimLeonheart Your right and hacking did not hurt Wii sales either, it was hacked within the first year.
@scottd Your absolutely right, I completely forgot about the Wii. It is the most selling but the most pirated as well. We even have fully working Wii emulators but still it has sold more than any other console. I think the best strategy for a company is to earn profit on each console sold and let it be pirated just like Wii. It will become hugely popular in the third world countries and there will be a lot more sales and profit as well.
@Autodidactdystopia Really? Sony will just "patch it up"? Are you sure? The SOCOM franchise has been hacked ruthlessly for over 7 years straight. It started on the PS2, and it has carried over to the PS3 for several years now. It has completely destroyed the competitive community that has played it for over a decade. Some of us have been waiting a long time for Sony to "fix" it to no avail. You can log on to Confrontation on the PS3 right now and run into people flying through the air with unlimited health, unlimited ammo, fully automatic sniper rifles, can turn invisible, can have a 20' knife reach, can freeze rooms causing hard reboots, can force matches to start prematurely, can have 1 shot kills, no recoil on guns, and see where everyone is at on the map at any given time. The same thing happened on the PS2 and was a major problem all the way up to the point where Sony shut the old SOCOM servers down last August. Be careful what you claim, because not all "hacking" is just done for pirating software. There are some fanbases out there that have had their favorite franchises completely ruined by extreme hacking in online servers and have begged and protested Sony to fix it since 2005.
F*CK Hackers, they think they're doing the greater good, pushing companies like Sony to further the limitations on legit user with access/online keys to play and shit. this will backfire i tell you.
Pass codes not because pirates , because they are greedy , 10 dollars for a pass -.- even though hackers cant play online when they hack , so thats not the reason to blame hackers , there are benefits and bad things hackers do , i really dont blame them this generation because of the companies greed .. Pass code is like dlc's that shouldnt existed in the first place ...
If you buy the game new and support the company you don't have to pay for the online pass so that is a horrible attempt at justification.
People buy and sell used things for thousands of years , so why sony wants to change that ?. Its just greed when they dont want people sell the games and it had nothing to do with hackers at all , some hackers pirate and that you can blame , but you cant blame them for the limit stuff that sony do such as pass code , 2 ps3's per account , one account attached to the vita ...etc , digital games cant be sold thats why i know the ps4 will focus on that ...
@Lord_Sloth buying used games is not illegal.
Such timing... http://n4g.com/news/1106831...
@yewles1 That debate is about people suing Sony because Sony was robbed. Imagine if you had a friends files in your home. Someone breaks in and steals your friends files then your friend sues you because you didn't prevent the thief from stealing their data. Sony didn't "leave the door open". They had measures to protect peoples data but they were hacked. Sony didn't "give out the data" either. It was stolen. The case is stupid because Sony (the victim of the theft) was getting charged with the theft.
Not quite... It's more like if you told your friend he could leave his money in your home in case he wants to buy something from you, and the money gets stolen. I think Sony has a responsibility toward those people, and that dismissal sets a dangerous precedent for other companies (imagine a bank that says it has no responsibility to return the stolen money to its customers)... Sony was not getting charged with the theft, but it was responsible for the data they were holding on to. A bank would have gone out of business after something like that...
Except no body lost anything of value with the PSN hack so your example isn't the same.
What responsibility? No CC information was leaked because it was encrypted, and the other information is accessible through a phone book or google. So what exactly do Sony owe people who had nothing taken from them?
@calis and @DragonKnight So you guys think it's ok for a company to sell your private information to anyone willing to pay for it (I know Sony didn't sell it, I'm just projecting your reasoning into a different scenario)? Just because it's already available to everyone? why don't you guys just get your social security number tattooed on your head? If you think that data has no value, then think again: why would anyone steal it? To prove a point? Which point would be: "Sony can't protect your personal information"? And you don't think that Sony is liable for that?
Your name, address, and telephone number are all public information already. If someone wanted that information they can get it with the click of a mouse or the flick of a finger. Why should Sony be held liable for information that is PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ANYWAY? You have no argument. The only way your argument could succeed is if CC data or other, equally sensitive information, was stolen. And guess what, it wasn't. So again, how can Sony be liable for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING happening to anyone's money, or credit rating, or life in general beyond a month without online gaming?
Because it opens the door for something worse?
Like what? The possibility of hackers decrypting CC card data? Not possible. Sony has no liability in being a victim. That's like blaming a rape on the raped instead of the raper.
The problem actually was that people believed that Sony knew that they had a security hole in their system, and chose to ignore it because since no one found it and no one chose to exploit it, why should they bother using resources to do anything about it. It was not a difficulty security hole to jump through, but it was seemly overlooked for so long. Then, when the hole was found, they blamed the people for finding it, not themselves for leaving it there and choosing to be lazy because no one knew it was there. Then they took a really extreme measure that many saw as unnecessary given the situation, and using piracy as a scapegoat to remove a feature that they always wanted to get rid of (but couldn't because some early PS3 adopters were using it so religiously). They had the responsibility, they chose to do nothing, then blame the people for finding something they should've done something about before it was found, and took draconian measures while being snobby about a group of game developers that have really done nothing wrong (unless you ask Sony). How does that NOT make us want at least a truthful explanation?
@ dragonknight You don't know if people had their CC info stolen or not so please stop assuming they didn't. Most people would not come to a gaming site to report their credit card info has been misused. Second Sony or any other company aren't going to tell you if peoples Credit cards was stolen to minimize lawsuits and uphold peoples faith in the services. You really think Sony would tell people their CC info was stolen. You think Sony is in financial troubles now, people would have a field day with the lawsuits and Sony would be held liable. Their best move is to convinced you that nothing was taken and offer identity thief protection. Plus people that have said something about their CC being used after the hack. Was called liars cause Sony said so.
Stupid basement-dwellers - LEAVE TRUE CUSTOMERS ALONE AND STOP RUINING OUR FUN!
I did not know that what other people do with the hardware they bought effects you. Sure hacking PSN or some service that effects others sucks but modding your own hardware. I just see that as a buyers right. Piracy on the other hand is also bad.
Oh you know this story is gonna get hot asap-_-.
So from the article PSN is at a very vulnerable state? I hope Sony fixes this real soon before serious trouble comes knocking.
Get a life hackers. Sony will patch this shit up real quick. Hopefully also ban these people. @AngelicIceDiamon No, has nothing to do with PSN being "vulnerable" in any way.
Don't feed the troll . Look at his comment history.
Just keep taking them to court Sony. I’m sure every other company that suffer from this will support any legal action taken as to present a united front is the best way to combat them.
Looks like all companies pulling their resources, working together and presenting a united front isn't the best way to combat this. n4g knows best.
ps3 will always get hacked
Uhhhhh? It's hardly been hacked at all. It's the least hacked console this generation by far. There is no need to be a troll bro ;) we all know the truth here
... so are we just ignoring what happened in May of 2011 now or what? It might not be as hacked as other consoles, but it still gets hacked, like almost any other piece of hardware.
Are you stupid? The article talk about the PS3 hack, not about the PSN hack.
^ The article talks about a hack that bypasses PSN's security, giving already hacked systems access to the service. So the article is talking about the PSN as well as the hardware, since both have to be hacked. That, and I'd consider the PSN to be very much a part of the PS3 anyways.
@Fat You don't need a PS3 to access PSN. The PS3 and PSN are not the same. If they are, that means my computer is hacked as well as my Vita because both have access to PSN. Not sure what you're on about with the PSN breach. Sony themselves shut down PSN after an outside intrusion. It's not like someone dug around in some files and found the off button...
For as long as there's people who think they're entitled to something and trying to justify it through their interpretation of consumer rights.
the only way to avoid it would be a fully integrated on die and only on die encrypt decrypt system omne where no signal ever gets out of the cpu so nothing could be sniffed
gen is over,screw you hackers hahahaha
So once again the FBI are going to hunt down another person -_- why do people have to screw up things for everyone else?
What I dont understand is why we have all this "The final hack of all hacks" talk. Its the LV0 keys, which is exactly what happened before which was again the "unfixable hack" & all Sony had to do was change the LV0 keys through a firmware update. Have people forgotten this. Does the same not aply this time?
It's a bit different this time. Last time around, I don't think it was the LV0 keys which were released, but rather it was the psn passphrase. Changing the pass-phrase like before with a firmware update won't be as effective for Sony because the new passphrase can now be decrypted quickly.