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HD DVD vs. Blu-ray: The real reason behind the format wars

Ken Mitchell from Tech.Blorge writes:

"HD DVD and Blu-ray are very similar technologies. Sure Blu-ray has higher storage and transfer capacities, and HD DVD has better codec requirements, but neither offer a significant advantage to the consumer. The real advantage here, is to the content providers."

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wageslave3480d ago

" I think that content providers are going to pull the wool over our heads on this one, and go with Blu-ray. Not because it is a superior technology, but because it is easier for them to have control over where and how their media is used"

Bingo. From the height of the days of Napster, from a Sony Executive:

"The [music] industry will take whatever steps it needs to protect itself and protect its revenue streams..It will not lose that revenue stream, no matter what."

Fair enough, you might think. That is after all the reason behind the RIAA's legal action against Napster, though it's nice to have an industry executive admit that the case is about control of "revenue streams". Sony Pictures Entertainment operates alongside Sony Music Entertainment, an RIAA member.

But Heckler's comments, as reported by the U-Wire Web site, US news service aimed at college students, get better: "Sony is going to take aggressive steps to stop this. We will develop technology that transcends the individual user. We will firewall Napster at source - we will block it at your cable company, we will block it at your phone company, we will block it at your [ISP]. We will firewall it at your PC.

http://www.theregister.co.u...

Blu-Ray has one purpose: To deny you your fair use rights.

bung tickler3480d ago (Edited 3480d ago )

i agree, thatis why i went HD DVD, i like to own my movies and be able to do what i want with them... i mean if i pay $30 for a movie i shoul be able to put it on any video player i have... sony doesnt think so though... stuipid kids blinded by thier silly fanboy love of thier game system really fvcked us movie people... but i cant really blame them for buying blu-ray movies.. i mean they didnt really have many decent games to play that first year...

PopEmUp3480d ago (Edited 3480d ago )

who being naive here, First you said your own the HD-DVD player because that reason, second you started bashing Sony, and finally you started saying people blind but I don't know who blind here since you're are the one who is blind here kid buying a second betamax calling it HD-DVD, btw you probably has Betamax in your home somewhere.

Did you said you like to own your own movie cause of HD-DVD you seem to on the wrong boat there since HD-DVD movies are very few movies there good luck watching that Transformer of your cause you'll be watching it over and over and over again, you won't get bore at it so you'll be just fine

Ashta3479d ago

I would just like to point out that you only have those "fair-use rights" if you pay for what your using.

bung tickler3479d ago (Edited 3479d ago )

@popemup: see you are the perfect example... you didnt even read the article im sure... you dont even know what you are talking about. let me make it weasy for you blu-ray = DRM hell, HD DVD = fair use.

- mode edit: leave your fanboism in the OZ -

@ashta: i do buy movies (i have like 200 DVD's and like 30 HD DVD's), thats the point. if i spend $30 i should be able to do with it as i please as long as im not giving it away to others... HD DVD lets you do this, blu-ray not so much.

THUNDERMARE3479d ago

So tell me toxic, what can't you do (I mean legally ofcause) with Blu-Ray? You got your blu-ray movie for $30, you can share it with your friends if they got a player. If what you mean by "do what you want" mean copy the entire movie on you HDD then probably not, it against the law in the first place, and pardon me, you can't do that on HD-DVD also.

Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray come with AASC so what is your problem with PS3 and Blu-Ray? Why do you think Blu-Ray is not customer friendly? since its got the same functionality as the DVD, with more storage capacity. What makes HD-DVD a "fairer" format?

So what's your point?

XBOX 3603479d ago

No, those reasons you gave aren't the reason you support HD-DVD over BD.

It's because you love M$.

Kholinar3479d ago

"If what you mean by "do what you want" mean copy the entire movie on you HDD then probably not, it against the law in the first place, and pardon me, you can't do that on HD-DVD also."

Only against U.S. law, the same law that makes it illegal to watch a dvd if you're using an alternative operating system. It's a bad law that does unfairly limit U.S. consumers.

And yes, a U.S. or international consumer should be able to make his/her own backup (on hdd or disk) even if it means the content provider loses a replacement sale.

If you argue against something like this, then I think you're a little too invested in this war.

SaiyanFury3479d ago (Edited 3479d ago )

Sorry, double post.

SaiyanFury3479d ago (Edited 3479d ago )

Wow...and here I just like watching HD content. I didn't know there was so much backhanded politics behind it, not that I ever care about politics; everybody's stabbing each other in the back and it gets boring. I don't care about DRM content, I never worry about that kind of stuff either. As far as HD content goes, I buy an HD disc, I watch it and I put it back on the rack. That's the extent that HD content gets my attention. If I really gave a rat's ass about DRM content, it would be on my PC where it really matters. On HD discs? I don't care, I just like to watch $hit with a great picture and DTS-HD 7.1 audio.

Edit: On top of not giving a crap about DRM content, it's also not economically viable to copy on these HD discs anyways. Hell, a Blu-ray burner still averages about 400 bucks and the discs that go in it are 20+ a piece. Last I checked, I bought a good Samsung DVD burner in my PC for about 30 beans and 50 DVD discs for 20. I buy Blu-rays to watch HD content. Not so I can spend another 20+ dollars copying that 20+ dollar Blu-ray disc that I bought in the store.

THUNDERMARE3479d ago

I'm not arguing about US or international DRM I know that its lame and I'm not supporting it or anything. I'm simply asking toxic what makes HD-DVD a fairer format since they all using the same DRM software, and yes, have to follow the same DRM law.

season0073479d ago

You buy a disc and you have the right to watch it whenever you want...yes

You buy a ticket and you have the right to watch the displays in the museum for that specific time printed on your ticket...

I don't recall i could copy or pirate or making one of those exact copies of ART in any museum i've been to....and yes movie is a form of art that requires creativity as well....

jeez.....no one is stopping you from lending your disc to someone else, but make more copies? well...that's a form of stealing....

Please note i am not backing one of those law saying that a music could cost enormous amount of money...but wait just 10-30bucks and you still have to pirate it if you like it?

Kholinar3479d ago

"You buy a ticket and you have the right to watch the displays in the museum for that specific time printed on your ticket...

I don't recall i could copy or pirate or making one of those exact copies of ART in any museum i've been to....and yes movie is a form of art that requires creativity as well....

jeez.....no one is stopping you from lending your disc to someone else, but make more copies? well...that's a form of stealing...."

But you could copy that ticket. There's this thing in legal realms that says when someone sells you something you have the right to do what you wish with what you're sold. That's why there's never been a single successful lawsuit by a software maker against someone who used their software against the EULA. (Legal agreement that you click thru when you install software).

Because a company can't sell something to you and then, when the package is opened, demand that you use it in the way they dictate. Once you have it you can do what you want.

If you go to that museum and buy a print of a painting, you can go home and make a thousand copies, wallpaper your house if you like.... and the museum or author can do nothing about it. Now, they can prohibit you from selling it or making copies for your friends but that's a long way from telling you which wall you can hang the picture on... which is what the RIAA and MPAA are trying to do. They're in the wrong here, not consumers.

LastDance3478d ago

Man ....Try to put it any friggin way you want... the bottom line is its STEALING.. get over yourself your wrong. How dilusional can people get. Kids today think they can BURN and COPY anything they want and give it to their friends because its possible to do so...

OH OH OH no Blu ray has protection ..OH MY LORD WHAT HAVE WE DONE... WE CANT STEAL BLU RAY!! WE VOTED FOR THE WRONG FORMAT!!!!

UN- Believable. Spoilt Kids is all you people are.

your copy = 1 copy. Not as many as you want to burn. Back it up? why dont you just look after it.

Kholinar3478d ago

Fair use backups are a protected right, fully supported by the supreme court since there was a way to back up media.

I'm not sure how content providers survived when people got VCR's and could easily copy movies. Or how they squeaked out a profit when tape recorders became affordable...

Oh, that's right... people will actually pay more for something that has added value. If tapes were play for a little while, then get eaten and have to buy another, far less people would have bought them. Fair use is the equivalent of a lifetime warranty for your media. It increases sales.

Sales will get worse as DRM increases. Count on it. What has been the most successful online music store? The one with the most permissive DRM... use it on 5 computers, burn a hard copy anytime you like that plays on anything. Now all the music companies have gone DRM free, because they've realize that it doesn't work and decreases sales. The movie industry is just 5 years behind. Bad times are coming for them...

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games4fun3479d ago

having a capacity that ends up being twice your competitors is a great advantage i cant wait to store a a bunch of media on a 100gig disk or have it in my game or have a whole movie collection on one disk

kingnick3478d ago

It's 8.5GB (max DVD-9 capacity) vs. 50GB (dual layer BD capacity) almost 6x the space.

HD movies require far more storage space than SD movies so multimovie discs won't be that common for high-end releases, some of the budget titles will no doubt have multiple titles on a single disc.

Ashta3479d ago

I'm still trying to figure out why companies taking digital measures to protect their clients intellectual and created properties is a bad thing.

It's like the cable company I use....they gave me for 6 months channels that I did not pay for yet when they took them away what was i going to do? complain? I'd be lucky that they didn't prorate and chargeback all those months I went with extra cable.

Sure, it was their fault but they also had the right to cut my extra features because I wasn't paying for it. Same with the record companies and the movie companies. Sure, I don't denegrate those who go out and download movies and watch them for free but I also wont stand and listen to people complain when the companies they are essentially stealing from take measures to protect their property.

If it was yours you would probably feel different I guess.

IntelligentAj3479d ago

Some people believe that since that the consumer should have total and absolute control over the content they didn't create, which also includes downloading it for free and ripping the content. The fact that the companies spend money to produce their content and expect a ROI means nothing, absolutely nothing(end sarcasm)

Kholinar3479d ago

"Some people believe that since that the consumer should have total and absolute control over the content they didn't create, which also includes downloading it for free and ripping the content. The fact that the companies spend money to produce their content and expect a ROI means nothing, absolutely nothing(end sarcasm)"

And some people believe that every consumer should have to pay every time they watch a movie, every time a guest comes over to watch a movie, and every time the studio decides they need more money.

Fair use is an established right. It has nothing to do with "downloading it for free and ripping the content", so don't try to confuse the issue. It's about a consumer owning one copy of the artistic work and being able to play it on any player in their house, or rip it to their ipod. They also have a legally granted right to make a backup. A right that has been abused and circumvented by the DMCA, bought and paid for by corporations who finally realized that cd sales would slow now that people weren't replacing collections anymore.

This is the next step. It's a bad step. Luckily hackers, in the name of pirating, will have the side effect of allowing me my backups and fair use.

So yeah, good luck locking us out.

novaIS3503479d ago

Bottom line is Blu-Ray is the clear successor to DVD. I'm sorry you invested your time and money into a dying format. But please keep the rants and raves elsewhere.

YoMeViet3479d ago

I agree, the clear winner is Blu-Ray no contest. I don't care if HD-DVD has these so called "fair-use" crap. Really now, if HD-DVD fans want to be an internet pirate then do so but don't blame Blu-Ray for not letting you copy their media.

Kholinar3479d ago

"Really now, if HD-DVD fans want to be an internet pirate then do so but don't blame Blu-Ray for not letting you copy their media."

Again, these two things have nothing to do with each other. Pirating and copying media are not the same things.

wageslave3479d ago

@4.1

You dont care if Blue Ray takes away your fair-use rights?

What we see here is a PS3 owner, so emotionally invested in his console playing blueray movies that he doesnt care that his rights as a citizen and a free person are being intentionally denied him by Sony (and RIAA / MPAA cohorts).

I mean, really, in the end who cares? Xbox 360 users can just buy a BR player for $100 next year, who fcuking cares.. but I digress. If BR ends up being the movie format, I'll put a BR burner or reader in my desktop and use Windows Media Center to play it anywhere... no problem.

I actually *do* care about my rights.

LastDance3478d ago

your rights wage slave??? your rights????

You buy a disk. okay.. you dont buy a movie that floats around in the air. You buy a disk.

What happens when you buy shoes? Or anything that CANT be replaced for free. You dont OWN that movie. You own a CD with that movie on it. okay. Get it through your skull.

Kholinar3478d ago

Unfortunately the laws of every first world country disagree with you.

It's the media corps that are asserting rights that they do not have, at the expense of everyone else.

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bootsielon3479d ago

You're buying the right to watch it whenever the hell you want. Owning it means you can do whatever you want, as in copying it and sharing it with everyone you know. Why should studios allow you to do that, just because it's "pro-consumer"? That's not consumer freedom, that's libertinage for the lack of a better word. Just as these corporations shouldn't be able to access any information they want about us, you shouldn't be able to do what you please with the content. There's a difference between buying "stuff", and buying "information". Movies aren't something tangible, the discs are, but they are simply holders you bought for the information you are permitted to use.

wageslave3479d ago

You dont know what your rights are son. Dont come and babble at me.

New DRM schemes deny me the ability to put the content into a form that permits me to watch it at my convenience.

You have the right to copy what you own to other formats.

BR is *designed* to prevent that so they can control how / when you use your own content.