Submitted by Cupid_Viper_3 1081d ago | opinion piece

Increasing Evidence That Nintendo is Not Serious About the Hardcore Gamers

"The Wii U is Nintendo’s way of jump-starting the next generation of consoles, but so far, it seems that Nintendo is simply playing catch up with the current offerings of HD consoles. There’s nothing being offered on the Wii U that is substantially better than your PS3 and Xbox360 to really warrant it to be classified as “Next Gen”, and yes I’ll explain." - Gamer-Rider (Industry, Nintendo, PS3, Wii U, Xbox 360)

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LX-General-Kaos  +   1082d ago | Well said
I believe that the claim of Nintendo joining current Gen is false. The Nintendo Wii U entertainment system is very much a next generation experience. Simply because it's innovative selling point has never been done before on a home console offering. This is the first time.

People are making a catastrophic mistake in thinking that a new generation is judged only by graphical capability. Nintendo has once again changed the way that gaming is experienced. Creating a portal for developers to try new and untested ideas to further the innovation and uniqueness of gaming. Many of which were simply not possible within the current generation of gaming.

On top of that, the technical power under the hood of the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system clearly surpasses the likes of what is available today on the home co sole market. As time goes along, games will become prettier as the launch window titles pass. Soon people will learn that in a world that has grown accustom to HD gaming for the last 7 years. It grows more difficult to significantly leap to some form of super HD that everyone is hopeful for. As of now our tvs still top off at 1080p.

As a gamer if the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system is not enough for you. What is your definition of next Gen. What would one have to provide for you to give you that significant leap that you have been preaching about? And what would you do or say if your brand of choice took the Nintendo rout and chose innovation over pure graphical prowess?

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Cupid_Viper_3  +   1081d ago
@ LX-General-Kaos
"As a gamer if the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system is not enough for you. What is your definition of next Gen. What would one have to provide for you to give you that significant leap that you have been preaching about? And what would you do or say if your brand of choice took the Nintendo rout and chose innovation over pure graphical prowess?"

From the Article:
" I mean, sure you have the GamePad’s second screen and it does add a bit of convenience as far as gameplay goes, but a bigger Nindento DS can’t surely be what Nintendo is counting on to bring the hardcore gamers back to its doorstep, is it? The hardcore gamer does enjoy convenience, but certainly doesn’t rate it above physics, graphics, and overall performance and gameplay. So far the Wii U doesn’t have a single game that excel in any of the categories listed above."

I think the Idea of dual screen gameplay that the Wii U is trying is going for has been hear for years in the form of Nintendo DS, PSP and now PS Vita. Simply adding a Single Touch, non HD Screen to your controller with Remote control capabilities for your TV/PVR is not necessarily seen as innovation in the hardcore hemisphere.

I mean even the PS Vita offers cross game chat, and can use the Vita's built in Mic, but not the innovative GamePad?

Even you sir have to agree that Nintendo took a lot of shortcuts with the Wii U.
LX-General-Kaos  +   1081d ago
Well said man
StraightedgeSES  +   1081d ago

So what is your definition of a hardcore gamer? And what is your definition of next gen?
MysticalTobi  +   1081d ago
I thought that the Wii U Game Pad's screen was in HD.
Kyosuke_Sanada  +   1081d ago
I love reading your posts man.You should starting giving out pamphlets. XD
HammadTheBeast  +   1081d ago
Oh god, don't give him ideas
Samus HD  +   1081d ago
@Kyosuke_Sanada Agree
but HammadTheOne that was funny. lol
-GametimeUK-  +   1081d ago
I agree that a new way to play does kind of justify calling a console "next gen". The thing with the Wii being classed as a "current gen" system and being placed in the same category as the PS3 is that the PS3 has the MOVE and more power under the hood.

Where does that leave Nintendo? I can control Resident Evil 5 on the PS3 with a wand controller. I can't do the same on the Wii.

The Wii is a current gen system by category and was earned by changing the way we play games, but another console can do the same with much more powerful games.

I know this is about the Wii-U, but the same kind of upgrade was made in the past so I reflected on past events until next gen rolls in. Whats to say Sony or MS won't have a tablet controller on a much more powerful console.

Either way I can't wait to get a Wii-U and enjoy the games :-)
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herbs  +   1081d ago
Don't kid yourself -GametimeUK- the PS3 definetly has less under the hood and the move controllers are a joke (although they're still vastly better than Kinect) I can't believe fanboys like yourself still hold onto the dream that your PS3 is some how more powerful than hardware that is 7 years newer (get over it already) Also Wiimotes with Motion+ are superior to move controllers hands down. Move controllers lack rumble, a speaker and do not read wrist articulation as accurately because the eye camera is calculating where a glowing ball is in 3d space and unfortunetly it cannot tell if the ball is twisting or not (because it is spherical) Also aiming is considerably more accurate with Wiimotes because of IR recognition. Go play Skyward Sword then tell me your glowing Pom Pom is better lol.
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etebitan  +   1081d ago
herbs you must be trolling.. i have both the wii and the ps3 with move and even though the move is lacking software-wise the tech behind it is waaaay better that the one provided with the wii remote plus...
herbs  +   1081d ago
etebitan explain yourself, how is it waaaay better, it's definetly more complex but that does not mean it is more effective. I made valid points lets hear yours.
hongthay  +   1081d ago

Actually, the move controllers do have built in gyroscopes and accelerometers that detect wrist movement and twist accurately.

I have spent time with both, and must say that even with Motion+, the PS move is still more accurate, now if they could just bring out enough compelling software.

You are correct in lack of speaker, but the Move controller does have rumble. The Nav controller does not.
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badz149  +   1080d ago
what a lot of BS you're talking about the MOVE there! stop talking about stuff you don't know. you might be able NOT to make yourself look like an ignorant douche!
princejb134  +   1081d ago
"On top of that, the technical power under the hood of the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system clearly surpasses the likes of what is available today on the home co sole market. As time goes along, games will become prettier as the launch window titles pass. Soon people will learn that in a world that has grown accustom to HD gaming for the last 7 years. It grows more difficult to significantly leap to some form of super HD that everyone is hopeful for. As of now our tvs still top off at 1080p."

the problem with releasing your console early is that they rivals will know what you have out and will try to surpass it

i bet sony and microsoft whenever they release next gen are already trying to figure out a way to make a next gen console that leaves the wii u in the dust
despair  +   1081d ago

your entire post reads as a press release from nintendo. You say nothing to convince anyone of your point of view, its just rhetoric used with generalised terms(you should go into politics).

Also I don't think you quite understand how High Definition and Gaming Graphics work. Just because most Televisions go up to 1080P resolution (and thats just the resolution, nothing else) doesn't mean that games are at a limit. Graphical enhancements are not reliant on the TV's resolution(but they do help). Its all about the actual system's hardware.

Oh and I haven't read this article because I think its a ridiculous claim to make before the console is even launched.
etebitan  +   1081d ago
well said... i actually think that guy works for nintendo... that or he has no life at all...
Knight_Crawler  +   1081d ago
@etenban and despair - you guys are a bunch of hypocrites...if he was talking about Sony you would be praising LXG and bubbling him up.

Why does he even bother you? if the guy loves Nintendo then why be jelly.
insomnium2  +   1081d ago
@knight crawler

You sure are fast to call everyone a Sony fanboy huh? You either haven't been on this site for very long or you are just desperate.
MariaHelFutura  +   1081d ago
Generations are determined by console cycles, NOT system power.
showtimefolks  +   1081d ago
i think we all know ms wants xbox720 to be more of a media box that does everything and so does nintendo. Sony tried lol but they realize their bread and butter is with core fanbase.

I just hope nintendo does not pull a MS on us and start with core base than switch all the way and go after casual like ms did with xbox360 since 2011 xbox360 is for kinect games and some core titles

i just want a gaming machine that is supported well by 1st and 3rd party publishers
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killerhog  +   1080d ago
Sony has a better entertainment offering than Ms and a better catalog of games for the core. Most of the new entertainment stuff Xbox owners are getting was already on the ps3. Sony surpass ms since 08 when it comes to features/entertainment. Sony has always been casual/core.
Persistantthug  +   1081d ago
@LX-General-Kaos....I'd like to answer your question to your last paragraph...

Assuming that to be GAMEPLAY, that's what I expect NEXT GEN to be.
Anything else, and I'm not interested in upgrading.

From reports, a 3 TERAFLOP Gpu can accomplish this, And I fully expect a PS4 launched holiday 2014 will be able to manage this.
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LX-General-Kaos  +   1081d ago
Hey I just watched that video and I hope that you are correct. Everything looked of movie quality.
ziggurcat  +   1081d ago
@ LX-General-Kaos:

when nintendo is *just* coming out with a system that supports 720/1080p - something that the other two systems have supported for the last 6/7 years - that's current gen, not next gen.
Smashbro29  +   1081d ago
You're like a preacher of bull**** man.

The WiiU matches up pretty closely with the PS3/360 in terms of what can be done in game, the PS4 and 720 will definitely knock the WiiU out of the water and it isn't just graphics, it's processing, the amount that can be on screen at any given moment and I'm certain the online will be much better.
Benjamminkno  +   1081d ago
I disagree. There's no way both companies will release vastly more powerful consoles. If they do, we're looking at another $600 console in this economy? Financial suicide.
Sony and Microsoft don't make games anyway, so making hardware is all they do. Sure, games "look" better, but I'd rather play Megaman 3 than half the new games out now. There's plenty of crap movies that "looked" good. Games aren't supposed to be about graphics anyway, talk about a preacher of bullsh't!... lol
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killerhog  +   1080d ago
You do know why Sony ps3 cost a lot right? Blu-ray, cell processor, were all new tech that cost money. Blue-ray and cell are now cheap. Sony is going to re-use Blu-ray and maybe the cell. In fact I think Sony is going to re-use a lot of things from the ps3 hardware (that was new tech at the time) that's now cheap but will use their upgraded version. Which means Sony can focus on other things like graphic cards, power, more ram etc..
badz149  +   1080d ago
Sony and Microsoft don't make games?? they only make hardware??

wow...your head must be already too deep inside Ninty's **s to even say THAT!
Ashunderfire86  +   1081d ago
Nice try PR spokesman you don't fool me.
IAmLee  +   1081d ago
A Nintendo hate article?
Well this is unusual...
tubers  +   1081d ago
better graphics = better processing = more complex games.. (possible only on the next PS360)

Wii U will be left on the dust with "core" gaming just like the Wii was/is.. (not that it really matters since it's still the Big N)
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NonApplicable  +   1081d ago
(Reply to General-Khaos)
Insightful points regardless of standpoint.

Just change that tag line. Totally pretentious.
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humbleopinion  +   1080d ago
"As a gamer if the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system is not enough for you. What is your definition of next Gen"

Simple: A machine capable of running next gen engines, such as Unreal Engine 4 and SE Luminous engine and so on. If you can't run next gen engines you can't run next gen games, and so far the Wii is almost out with no confirmation that it will support these engines (not even talking about an actual game announced).
Abdou23  +   1080d ago
How many accounts did you create to give yourself all these bubbles ?!
adorie  +   1080d ago
Lol. I am willing to bet a Wii U that if you left out the "Rated E For Everyone" your agrees would have been more or slightly less then your disagrees.

Good points though.
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adorie  +   1080d ago
Triple post. Sorry!
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adorie  +   1080d ago
N4G is trying to drag me through the mud; Triple Post. -_-
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DivineAssault  +   1081d ago
Core gamers buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games not 3rd party.. I think everyone can agree that if 1st party wasnt in the picture, that console wouldnt sell even a quarter of what gamecube did..

The point is, it doesnt matter if wii u is hardcore or not, ppl are going to buy it knowing nintendo will deliver some great software regardless of its shortcomings.. They make use of their products to the fullest & 3rd party rarely can achieve that..

I am more than willing to give them $300 for this thing for their games.. The time just isnt here yet cuz i have no interest in mario bros, pikmin, or nintendo land... Another round of Smash bros, mario kart, star fox, metroid, & zelda will be why i own wii u.. Their IPs are predictable cuz they always do it rarely creating a new one.. Now if im wrong, thats fantastic cuz i will get more out of what i expect from this...
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ChickeyCantor  +   1081d ago
" Core gamers buy nintendo consoles for nintendo games not 3rd party"

That's because third party games were hardly there. NES and SNES were loaded with third party games and they were bought.

Look at handhelds for example. Are you telling me no one bought third party games on those devices?

If Nintendo can keep those third party developers in check and keep the games coming then there really is no reason not to buy them.
Samus HD  +   1081d ago
yes and it's hard for third partys to succeeded when they compete with nintendo's software. seriously I mean Just dance sold great on Wii (third party) and it's behind like 10 or more nintendo games -4-
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GraveLord  +   1081d ago
Nintendo doesn't care about hardcore gamers. But they do want them to buy a Wii U, that's why they are trying to get 3rd party support for the Wii U.

They're off to a good start so far IMO.
There's enough core titles at launch to satisfy any core gamer.
Schawk  +   1081d ago
I have to laugh PS3 owners actually think they are Hardcore gamers, lol give me a break
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Welshy  +   1081d ago
Given that PS3 gamers and 360 gamers are essentially the same kind of gamers at the end of the day, what exactly do YOU brand a "hardcore" gamer?

Are we rolling into £2,000 PC territory to be considered "hardcore" ?

I don't think that "hardcore" gamers can all be herded into one category or definition. What if you only play arcade racers? racing sims? shooters? only COD? It's far too wide a scope to really brand any group under one title.

I would also like you to point out this overwhelming number of PS3 fans claiming to be "the most Hardcore" in this post btw, otherwise your comment is both ridiculous and idiotic =)
Irishguy95  +   1081d ago
A hardcore gamer is one who searches for the greatest games. Not one who aligns himself to a specific set of hardware. Every system has it's masterpieces.
iistuii  +   1081d ago
A hardcore gamer plays all games on all systems. A hardcore gamer plays all multiformats on the best system with the highest resolution & AA, & plays all exclusives on the machine that plays them. So that's why my PC plays all the multiformats, which look streets ahead, & my other consoles are for the great exclusives they bring out. No allegiance to anyone, just want the best available. All these PS3 trolls going on about Nintendo not being hardcore, then pop off to play all stars battle royale beta, now that's what I call hardcore gaming lol.
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garos82  +   1080d ago
Please don't feed the troll.what kind of moron doesn't consider ps3 to have anything to offer "hard core" gamers?schawk obviously!

OT: the article is a terrible one.the only thing he might have a point at is the low amount of hdd space on the consoles.other than that I think Nintendo have made good steps towards attracting better 3rd party support. Bayonetta2 for example is good title to attract and it being exclusive may get me to pick up a Wii u. It well be interesting to see what both Sony and ms have in the pipeline
Kos-Mos  +   1081d ago
Oh, it`s increasing. Yes, Nintendo will not dominate. I`m not scared of the gods of gaming, no I`m not. I like to shoot something, Yes. Shoot shoot makes me happy. Killing someone because of my frustrat....NO. I`m hardcore YES. Nintendo doesn`t care about gamers. It`s for kids, yes Shoot shoot. War war.
fourtwenty2009  +   1081d ago
Call of Kooloo-Limpah: Tingle Ops.
Emperor_Obama  +   1081d ago
Honestly there is a fine line between core gamers and other types of gamers. Its almost always core gamers that rush out and buy a new piece of hardware at launch. To Nintendo's credit, they have offered the Wii U at a reasonable launch price point. The games show that Nintendo is serious about 3rd party support, which will offer a lot in the way of core gaming.

The truth is that Nintendo will need to offer a little something for everyone, I don't know a real, true gamer that isn't interested in the Wii U. Nintendo has always been about gameplay and fun, their first party games are always the reason people buy Nintendo consoles, so if they can get even a bit of 3rd party support and that support continues, they will be more than okay.

-I'm Emperor Obama, and I approve this message.
Thepcz  +   1081d ago
lol i read that in obamas voice

ha i approve this message
fourtwenty2009  +   1081d ago
I think you mean Obama-Wan Kenobi. You know, the guy who's gonna tear Darth Romney a new one in two weeks.
admiralvic  +   1081d ago
I consider myself a "real true gamer" and have no interest in the Wii U. Going off the history of the Wii, I want to see if the Wii U will ACTUALLY be different or will it just have some good games I can find on other consoles. (which describes most of whats announced) I additionally dislike how I seemingly need another person to play various games. While playing Rayman Legends, it seemed impossible to play on your own, quite similar to what was true with Prehistoric Moves (which was possible to play alone, but extremely difficult) and is true of games like Nintendo Land. I also tried to play Ninja Gaiden 3 for it, but never found myself using the second screen, plus had a hard time using precise movements with a controller that size / shape.

While most of my impression is based off what I played at E3 and have heard so far, I really don't think the Wii U suits my lifestyle and thus I have no interest in it. I might miss out on Bayonetta 2, though does anyone honestly think that title is worth 300 (might as well go 350 for black) + Bayonetta 2 (50 / 60) + a normalish controller (assuming it supports / 50 or 60) = roughly 487.60 dollars? Cause where I stand, it isn't.
insomnium2  +   1081d ago
@ Emperor

"-I'm Emperor Obama, and I approve this message. "

I have no idea where you got that thing from and I don't care either. That thing was old ever since the first time you said it.

What is it? Have to say that to be cool on this site you think? You try too hard and that thing alone makes me skip your comments entirely. Not hating on you per se but that kind of behaviour is just ...old. It wreeks of 15-17 yo.
Theyellowflash30  +   1081d ago
This article is a bit off the point.
Nintendo cares about ALL gamers just like Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo has Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden 3, The Worderful 101, and many other "Hardcore" games they will be publishing. Is Sony going to do everything as well as Microsoft and Sony? No but that doesn't mean their not serious about hardcore gamers.
bubblebeam  +   1081d ago
I think they do care, it just sucks a bit when they are advertising mostly FOR casuals, and expect the 'hardcore' to know about the 'core' titles. Whether they care about the 'core'or not, they should make better effort to show them.

Sony and Microsoft also are trying to appeal to the casual, but are mostly advertising for the 'core'. I think people need to realise that console makers need that extra cash from cheap, casual games to support their business, which may or may not always be most ideal.

I love Sony's approach, as it is pretty much purely for the 'core',and they say they can still release the casual stuff around Christmas to keep the families happy, but the 'core' come first.

I found the link if you don't believe me. MASSIVE respect for Kaz Hirai: http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed...
Jadedz  +   1081d ago
How can the author of this article...
Levy "his/or her opinion," upon the broad mass of gamers?

Just because the author didn't enjoy the Wii (I'm assuming), it doesn't mean that there isn't a core group of gamers who actually enjoy their console (Wii).

You can't place all your eggs in one basket, after all (metaphorically speaking) - diversification helps businesses prosper.
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Cupid_Viper_3  +   1081d ago
Jadedz you're right, diversification does help a business prosper indeed, but it shouldn't be done at the expense of your core audience.

People enjoying the Wii U, or the Wii for that matter is not what the article is really addressing. Rather it is addressing factual things about the console.

It's not an Opinion that the Wii U is region locked, and it's also not an opinion that in-game voice chat for the Wii U will be an inconvenience for the hardcore gamers, who are the one to most likely use it.
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ronin4life  +   1081d ago
Region locking is not Nintendo exclusive. All companies are beginning to follow that example.

Sony region locks online in its online pass required games now, for instance.
Jadedz  +   1081d ago
Nintendo has always been about region locking hardware (I believe so, anyway)
And I'm sure 3rd party mic's can work via usb port (Wii U has 4 - 2 in front, and 2 in back).

To defy a gaming company as non-hardcore because they don't follow the few principles set by other competing companies, is pretty absurd.

For instance, let's say that I ride a motorcycle and I own a jet - does it make me a better person than the rest whom don't own either? You may think so, but all it proves is that I'm financially better off, characteristics has nothing to do with this hypothetically scenario.

The author has their own opinions on what they believe label's a gaming company hardcore are not.

Facts are facts, but what are they when they're misconstrued improperly?
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Cupid_Viper_3  +   1081d ago
What "All companies" are you referring to ronin4life that are following this trend? The PS3 and the PS Vita are both Region Free.

@ Jadeds
"And I'm sure 3rd party mic's can work via usb port (Wii U has 4 - 2 in front, and 2 in back)."
The article never stated otherwise.

From the article:
"Another major blow to the hardcore gamer is the new discovery by Kotaku that you will not be able to chat in-game with your friends while playing using just the GamePad. That’s right, although the GamePad does feature a built-in mic, it cannot be used for in-game chat, meaning that the hardcore gamer is going to have to spend more money from the get-go for both a bigger hard-drive and now a headset"

So it seems like you're making up arguments here a little.

"For instance, let's say that I ride a motorcycle and I own a jet - does it make me a better person than the rest whom don't own either? You may think so, but all it proves is that I'm financially better off, characteristics has nothing to do with this hypothetically scenario."

I'm not quite sure where you're going with this analogy to be honest. Owning A motorcycle would have no bearings how good or bad of a person you are. Just like owning a PS3 wouldn't make you a better person.

I guess the point you were trying to make is that owning a PS3/Xbox360/PC doesn't necessarily make one more hardcore than a Wii owner.
But looking at what's on offer from all companies, you can certainly deduced which company is serious about which type of audience. If you can't tell that the Wii was aimed at casuals while the PS3 and Xbox 360 was aimed at a more hardcore audience then I believe that we don't really need to discuss this further.

I'm of the opinion that you CAN actually tell exactly the targeted audience that a company is going after by looking at how much details they put into their products.

A Ferrari, a corvette, a BMW M3, a Porsche 911 GT 3 are not aimed at the casual driver that just want to from point A to point B. Those cars have been carefully built from the ground up to produce actual track-like performance. So when you get into the cramped back sit of a Shelby Mustang, you're not going to find a flip down monitor/DVD player combo for the toddler.

The reverse argument could be made for Sony and PS3, given the original price tag of $600.00, the BluRay Drive, The 60GB of HardDrive Space, the 4 USB port, The Creepy Babies Commercial, you can deduced that Sony and PS3 were not Serious about the Casual Crowd.
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Jadedz  +   1080d ago
All I'm saying, is;
This article should be based purely on the author's opinion, because we all (gamers in general) have different views on the definition of what the word "hardcore" means.
Cupid_Viper_3  +   1080d ago
@ Jadedz

Well of course it is, it's an opinion piece and filed as such.

Also that line:"Nintendo has always been about region locking hardware (I believe so, anyway)"

I supposed that makes it ok somehow. I mean we always use to have slavery, so let's not change that. We have always been about candles, let's not move towards electricity and such. Let's do what we've always done and then call it next gen.

That line of thinking baffles me a little. Why would you be ok with a company purposely making sure that your North American Wii U does not work in Japan? How is that in your best interest?
Jadedz  +   1080d ago
I don't agree with it (region locking)
Though it isn't something that'll completely turn me away from buying Nintendo hardware.

Like I said - I respect your opinion, but the broad mass of gamers who play games, view the word "hardcore" in a different light than what you may be viewing it in.
telekineticmantis  +   1081d ago
For a core gamer like myself
I luke that Nintendo is not so hardcore, gives me more reason to buy more than one console, imagine if all the consoles focused on the most hardcore games, you would relly be wating your money buying more than one console.
ylwzx3  +   1081d ago
Most gamers don't even fall into the hardcore category.
Gamer-Z  +   1081d ago
Nintendo would be foolish not to go after the hardcore this gen because if they don't the wii U will be where the wii is right now in 2 years dead in the water. The truth is Nintendo cant rely on the casual market next gen because out of all the groups to play games the casuals are the most unpredictable and hardest to secure and since casuals are not avid gamers they don't keep up with console tech and will probably think the Wii U is some kind of add on or wont upgrade because they already have a wii and don't care about dual screen play and better graphics.
HappyCamper172  +   1081d ago
The biggest issue with games on nintendo is that 3rd party developers think they need to put some silly addons to nintendo consoles like tekken tag 2 mushroom and suits. Or is it that Nintendo asks for it?

Just put more serious games on nintendo and i'll be happy.

Learn on wii mistakes Nintendo please.

Wii U could be a great console for variety of users.
ronin4life  +   1081d ago
What's wrong with added content that doesn't hurt the base product? It adds value, and if you don't like it ignore it.
GameLord08  +   1081d ago
The Wii U has great "hardcore" exclusives such as ZombiU, Bayonetta 2, Ninja Gaiden III: Razor's Edge, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, LEGO City: Adventure (seriously, this looks like LEGO GTA.) The Wii U also has great multiplatform "hardcore" titles such as Black Ops II, Assassin's Creed III, Tekken Tag Tournament 2, Darksiders II and Mass Effect III.

And let's not forget a whole range of other games like Aliens: Colonial Marines, Fists of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2, Injustice: Gods Among Us, James Bond: 007 Legends, Dragon Quest X, Sniper: Ghost Warrior 2, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Online, Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper and Wipeout 3. ...Oh, nobody was paying attention when all this was announced?

And the Wii U is "catching up" with the current generation? Last I checked, no current gen console has the capacity to run a game in native 1080p HD at 60fps while streaming a sub-HD 720p image to a controller with only 1/60th of a second in latency. And anything above full HD is something both consumers and developers can't afford right now; Microsoft and Sony have said it themselves for all of you not to be expecting a huge leap in graphics and power for their next-gen entries.

That, my friends, is all.
LX-General-Kaos  +   1081d ago
wishingW3L  +   1081d ago
Bayonetta is the only game worth a penny from that list. The rest are just ports from old games we played more than a year ago.

And the 1080p games rumor was debunked. Blops 2 is not 1080p native, it's upscaled just like the PS3 and Xbox version: http://gotgame.com/2012/10/... and Wii U version of Ninja Gaiden 3 runs at 30 frames.
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Theyellowflash30  +   1081d ago
Injustice, James Bond, Aliens, North Star, are not old ports
Benjamminkno  +   1081d ago
IDK, I'm thinking ZombiU will be everything that RE:6 wasn't.
And there are plenty of people who haven't played these games.
Add some content and then appeal to a different crowd.
I'd like to play some of these games without obsolete controllers.

I'm sorry, but the Ps360 controllers are 'outdated', and are all reiterations of Nintendo controllers.
Tzuno  +   1081d ago
It's not about the Nintendo, every company does the same they do what they think that it will bring more money.
LOL_WUT  +   1081d ago
It is true that Nintendo is joining current-gen but, that doesn't matter because i'm still getting one.
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GammaSix  +   1081d ago
nintendo hasnt been hardcore since the 64
TheDivine  +   1081d ago
Xenoblade was so casual. Most simple, short, easy, kiddy, casual, "rpg" ive ever played (if you can even consider something so casual an rpg)./s

TLS, Kid Icarus Uprising, Kingdom Hearts DDD, RE Revelations (the one that kept the survival horror roots), TWEWY, MH Tri, hell even New DKC was one of the most hardcore 2d platformers. Nintendo is for casuals, kiddies, and soccar moms because they ALSO have wii fit, wii sports, and cooking mama?

Truth is N is for EVERYONE! No matter how serious you are about gaming theres something for you. From party games, Mario, Zelda, to hardcore jrpg's and games like Metroid, Fire Emblem, and SSBB. Theres a wealth of games to enjoy. Whatever you call it il take games like Chrono Trigger, Zelda OOT, Star Fox 64, MGS Twin Snakes, Symphonia, REmake, Radiant Historia, Tales of the Abyss, The Last Story, Wind Waker, Code of Princess, and Bayanetta 2 all day long. Unless your one of these guys who grew up with only Ps3/360 and thinks it has to have guns and online MP to be considered "core". I think thats casual social gaming myself just like playing Goldeneye with friends. Fun, but not like diving in a deep, long, complex rpg. I remember coming from a ps2 to the Gamecube and being blown away with Metroid Prime and Wind Waker. Massive, huge, deep games that are unlike anything else on competing consoles. I went from playing ps3 to The Last Story and Xenoblade and remembered why i fell in love with gaming in the first place. Games that the hd twins have a distinct lack of. N does lack some genre's like Gears/Uncharted but thats why there more than one console. Each is appealing and a must own for a "core" gamer.
richierich  +   1081d ago
If the 2014 Legend of Zelda game will use the Skyward Sword art style rather than the E3 2011 tech demo art style then I would say for sure that Nintendo are going the casual route
Ck1x  +   1081d ago
I think the art style and graphic engine to create the game are two different things to consider. The Zelda demo of 2011 e3 was in the art style of Twilight Princess, but looked nothing like that game at all... So a new Zelda game in the art style of Skyward Sword could just mean a more colorful look but could look as good as Trine 2 in graphics..
Theyellowflash30  +   1081d ago
An art style doesn't determine wheather a game is "hardcore" or not. Its the content. Skyward Sword and Windwaker are no less "hardcore" than Ocarina of Time or Twilight Princess.
metroidfusion2  +   1081d ago
Why are so many people stupid on this site and don't do their research and only a few peopke know what they are talking about one of them in this article being Gamelord08 and a few others
FinalomegaS  +   1081d ago
New to this Site or something?

It was actually worst few years ago when we had an actual 2 tabs, one for general good post and the other was anything goes no modding and I mean that section was REALLY BAD.

Look on the bright side,at least we get some intelligent posting mixed in with the trolls here and there. :)
IWentBrokeForGaming  +   1081d ago
Nintendo WAS NEVER/IS NEVER going to be a hardcore gaming platform no matter what console they release and when!

Im just underwhelmed that the Wii U just now is going to look how the Wii was supposed to. It's also NOT getting alot of 3rd party games that aren't currently available on current gen consoles. They have the nerve to pass of Darksiders and Assasins Creed as new Next Gen titles when you can play them on PS3/360. Also the fact they DIDN'T bundle the HARDCORE gaming controller WITH the console is enough for me that they DON'T expect the hardcore controller to be used much if at all in ANY of their games!
jaymart2k  +   1081d ago
Fact Graphics Whores tell you when it's next gen.
ShaunCameron  +   1081d ago
Region-lock is not a valid argument against the WiiU. Especially when there are a lot of countries that won't let them or any other publisher sell a product there unless it's localized and deemed fit to clear for sale. So in effect contrary to what armchair consumer activists want to believe, region-locking is perfectly legal. It exists because local content laws exist. It exists because protectionist economic policies and fluctuating currency values exist.
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Stroke666  +   1081d ago
I'm just pretty tired of all these graphics whores claiming to be "hardcore" gamers. this gen degrades the title. You are not a hardcore gamer because you play games with good graphics. you are not a hardcore gamer because you only play M rated games. hardcore gamers game hardcore, on fun games, trying to unlock, explore and exploit everything the game has to offer. period. the gamers who left ninja gaiden(the nes versiosn) on over night cause you couldnt save ur game, those of you who reached level 99 in legends of legaia just to see the final specials, the gamers that know what I'm talking about when i mention Golden Axe, the guys who were just as excited about shooting 2d sword shaped beams in zelda as they are to hear how huge zelda 2014 is going to be. these are hardcore gamers. hardcore gamers go to buy a trip a game and leave with that plus a game no one ever heard of just because it might be fun to try. So plz stop posing then speaking for all those you pose as. GameLord08, ur comment is spot on. I'll be picking up my deluxe on nov 18 and i hope the real hardcore gamers don't allow all this naysaying to deter them from at some point copping one too.

It was written
searcam01  +   1080d ago
Well said. You are so right. Thats what a true gamer is. I'll be buying a Wii U for games that are not on the PS3/X360. The new Zelda is going to keep me up every night.
thunderforcex  +   1081d ago
Generation is defined by games not console.
IWentBrokeForGaming  +   1081d ago
Hardcore Gamers LOVE graphics because it's been known that the Hardcore Consoles come equiped with the Graphics!

Awesome graphics DON'T make a game, but Graphics raise the bar of immersion in the titles for the console... can you imagine Gears of War, God of War, Uncharted, Last of Us, Heavy Rain, etc.. to use Wii/Mii graphics this gen?

Those games Would've turned out garbage!
Stroke666  +   1081d ago
Sorry, but hardcore gamers don't put that much emphasis on graphics. gears, god of war, etc... would have been just as great if it was done in the art style of no more heroes or mad world or watever cause they were good games period. graphics are like diamond studs nice to have but it doesn't make or break an outfit.
ChickeyCantor  +   1080d ago
" Hardcore Consoles come equiped with the Graphics! "

Yeah cause casual gamers just have to do with audio alone.

" Those games Would've turned out garbage!"

I like how you dismiss the PS2 games of God of War.
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Tales RPG addict  +   1081d ago
I love Nintendo with all my heart. I know in ways they innovate but you dont know the facts.
Super Mario Bros. isnt the Pioneer of Sidescrolling platformers, "Pac Land" is.
Legend of Zelda isnt the Grandfather of Action-RPG's a game titled "DRAGON SLAYER" by Nihon Falcom came out in 1984.
Super Smash Bros. isnt the Pioneer of its genre a game called THE OUTFOXIES came out 5 years before Super Smash so yeah who's the Innovator. Not NINTENDO as much.
Do you research look up these titles.

I wish Nintendo would seriously stop spitting out the same franchises every generation. I'll wait and see about the Wii U but I'm happy with my PS3.My 360 is RROD atm.
Stroke666  +   1081d ago
nintendo is known for innovating "ways" to play not so much games genres. like that d-pad on ur ps360 controller? thats thanks to nintendo. remember before dual analog sticks were common place on a gamepad, when nintendo added an analog stick and a c-pad which would later become the c-stick then a flat-out second analog all the while functioning the same way. As for the wii u, to each his own I will be getting mine i hope something comes along that interest you enough to get one as well. if so see you....

in the miiverse lol
AO1JMM  +   1081d ago
I rarely use headsets anyway since most people are not even using them to play the game. Usually its just a bunch of fools shit talking or talking about non game related BS.

From what I have heard the WiiU will support 1 wireless headset though.
Sgt_Slaughter  +   1081d ago
50% of so-called "Hardcore Gamers" are either semi-casual and/or think they're Hardcore because they play what ever is popular and keep switching from week to week...

A true Hardcore Gamer doesn't need to remind people every 3 seconds "OH I'M SO HERDCURE CUZ I PLUAY *Insert game title here* HUEAHAHA!"

This is getting old fast. Just play the god damn games you want to play because you have fun playing them and MOVE ON. There, problem solved.
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YoungPlex  +   1081d ago
Well said!
hardcorehippiez  +   1081d ago
you have single handedly said the most true thing what would define a hardcore gamer on these threads. a hardcore gamer wont brag about it or on a score or trophy level tied to it . they will cram as much gametime into every aspect of their lives and play games ( not systems ) . nintendo has plenty of hardcore games . are they the type that i would be interested in ? a few are yes . will i get a wii u . i will when i see value in it. but not getting it for a few multiplatform titles that i can play elsewhere at the moment. will the wii u multiplats be better than ps360 ? i would like to think so if technology hasnt got a lot better in 7 years something is wrong. when i see value in it i will get it plain and simple . if it doesnt prove its power before the ps orbis / durango shows up then ill not bother . its up to nintendo i suppose . wow me then
BlackWolf  +   1081d ago
These "hardcore" gamers just piss me off. Graphics don't determine what is a good or a bad game. The only people that think this way are graphic whores or gamers that have only been playing on high end graphic consoles and don't know anything about the games and consoles that started the path the companies are walking on now.

There are games out there that may be loaded with the best graphics, but utterly suck and bore you, and there are games made in the stone age that catch you for hours.

And going back to the topic, the fact that the Wii U is could be seen as on par to the PS3/XBOX360 (in my opinion, is more powerful), does not mean that it is a current generation console. A next generation console is created when a company makes a new system and stops producing it's predecessor, which it normally surpasses in power. By that logic, the Wii U is the successor to the Wii, and with that, a eighth generation console, so are the 3DS (successor to the DS series) and the PS Vita (successor to the PSP). If you need info for that, look for the generations of consoles, it should appear somewhere.

And to the hardcore subject: why does it have to be region free? Yes, we will whine about it, but it's their call. we can't decide that. Graphics? Stop that already, please. Online service? In game chat? The need of the Gamepad and headset for it? This article is just pointing but little details for saying the Wii U will be a failure.
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Cupid_Viper_3  +   1081d ago
@ BlackWolf
"This article is just pointing but little details for saying the Wii U will be a failure."

#1. The article does NOT say that the Wii U will be a failure.

"There are games out there that may be loaded with the best graphics, but utterly suck and bore you, and there are games made in the stone age that catch you for hours."

The article makes a point for graphics, physics, and overall gameplay.

" A next generation console is created when a company makes a new system and stops producing it's predecessor, which it normally surpasses in power. By that logic, the Wii U is the successor to the Wii, and with that, a eighth generation console, so are the 3DS (successor to the DS series) and the PS Vita (successor to the PSP)."

I disagree with that notion. You can't come to a market and offer the exact same experience as your competitors and label it "Next Generation". I'm pretty sure the reason that the industry is begging for next gen consoles to come out is so that they can offer a different experience then what exists today. If the PS4 comes out with Wii U specs and Wii U graphics, then consider me VERY disappointed in Sony.
BlackWolf  +   1081d ago
All right, I made some judgement mistakes and concept misinterpretation, so I take full responsibility for that. Thanks for letting me know about it.
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