"The Wii U is Nintendo’s way of jump-starting the next generation of consoles, but so far, it seems that Nintendo is simply playing catch up with the current offerings of HD consoles. There’s nothing being offered on the Wii U that is substantially better than your PS3 and Xbox360 to really warrant it to be classified as “Next Gen”, and yes I’ll explain." - Gamer-Rider
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People are making a catastrophic mistake in thinking that a new generation is judged only by graphical capability. Nintendo has once again changed the way that gaming is experienced. Creating a portal for developers to try new and untested ideas to further the innovation and uniqueness of gaming. Many of which were simply not possible within the current generation of gaming.
On top of that, the technical power under the hood of the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system clearly surpasses the likes of what is available today on the home co sole market. As time goes along, games will become prettier as the launch window titles pass. Soon people will learn that in a world that has grown accustom to HD gaming for the last 7 years. It grows more difficult to significantly leap to some form of super HD that everyone is hopeful for. As of now our tvs still top off at 1080p.
As a gamer if the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system is not enough for you. What is your definition of next Gen. What would one have to provide for you to give you that significant leap that you have been preaching about? And what would you do or say if your brand of choice took the Nintendo rout and chose innovation over pure graphical prowess?
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"As a gamer if the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system is not enough for you. What is your definition of next Gen. What would one have to provide for you to give you that significant leap that you have been preaching about? And what would you do or say if your brand of choice took the Nintendo rout and chose innovation over pure graphical prowess?"
From the Article:
" I mean, sure you have the GamePad’s second screen and it does add a bit of convenience as far as gameplay goes, but a bigger Nindento DS can’t surely be what Nintendo is counting on to bring the hardcore gamers back to its doorstep, is it? The hardcore gamer does enjoy convenience, but certainly doesn’t rate it above physics, graphics, and overall performance and gameplay. So far the Wii U doesn’t have a single game that excel in any of the categories listed above."
I think the Idea of dual screen gameplay that the Wii U is trying is going for has been hear for years in the form of Nintendo DS, PSP and now PS Vita. Simply adding a Single Touch, non HD Screen to your controller with Remote control capabilities for your TV/PVR is not necessarily seen as innovation in the hardcore hemisphere.
I mean even the PS Vita offers cross game chat, and can use the Vita's built in Mic, but not the innovative GamePad?
Even you sir have to agree that Nintendo took a lot of shortcuts with the Wii U.
So what is your definition of a hardcore gamer? And what is your definition of next gen?
but HammadTheOne that was funny. lol
Where does that leave Nintendo? I can control Resident Evil 5 on the PS3 with a wand controller. I can't do the same on the Wii.
The Wii is a current gen system by category and was earned by changing the way we play games, but another console can do the same with much more powerful games.
I know this is about the Wii-U, but the same kind of upgrade was made in the past so I reflected on past events until next gen rolls in. Whats to say Sony or MS won't have a tablet controller on a much more powerful console.
Either way I can't wait to get a Wii-U and enjoy the games :-)
Actually, the move controllers do have built in gyroscopes and accelerometers that detect wrist movement and twist accurately.
I have spent time with both, and must say that even with Motion+, the PS move is still more accurate, now if they could just bring out enough compelling software.
You are correct in lack of speaker, but the Move controller does have rumble. The Nav controller does not.
what a lot of BS you're talking about the MOVE there! stop talking about stuff you don't know. you might be able NOT to make yourself look like an ignorant douche!
the problem with releasing your console early is that they rivals will know what you have out and will try to surpass it
i bet sony and microsoft whenever they release next gen are already trying to figure out a way to make a next gen console that leaves the wii u in the dust
your entire post reads as a press release from nintendo. You say nothing to convince anyone of your point of view, its just rhetoric used with generalised terms(you should go into politics).
Also I don't think you quite understand how High Definition and Gaming Graphics work. Just because most Televisions go up to 1080P resolution (and thats just the resolution, nothing else) doesn't mean that games are at a limit. Graphical enhancements are not reliant on the TV's resolution(but they do help). Its all about the actual system's hardware.
Oh and I haven't read this article because I think its a ridiculous claim to make before the console is even launched.
Why does he even bother you? if the guy loves Nintendo then why be jelly.
You sure are fast to call everyone a Sony fanboy huh? You either haven't been on this site for very long or you are just desperate.
I just hope nintendo does not pull a MS on us and start with core base than switch all the way and go after casual like ms did with xbox360 since 2011 xbox360 is for kinect games and some core titles
i just want a gaming machine that is supported well by 1st and 3rd party publishers
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Assuming that to be GAMEPLAY, that's what I expect NEXT GEN to be.
Anything else, and I'm not interested in upgrading.
From reports, a 3 TERAFLOP Gpu can accomplish this, And I fully expect a PS4 launched holiday 2014 will be able to manage this.
when nintendo is *just* coming out with a system that supports 720/1080p - something that the other two systems have supported for the last 6/7 years - that's current gen, not next gen.
The WiiU matches up pretty closely with the PS3/360 in terms of what can be done in game, the PS4 and 720 will definitely knock the WiiU out of the water and it isn't just graphics, it's processing, the amount that can be on screen at any given moment and I'm certain the online will be much better.
Sony and Microsoft don't make games anyway, so making hardware is all they do. Sure, games "look" better, but I'd rather play Megaman 3 than half the new games out now. There's plenty of crap movies that "looked" good. Games aren't supposed to be about graphics anyway, talk about a preacher of bullsh't!... lol
You do know why Sony ps3 cost a lot right? Blu-ray, cell processor, were all new tech that cost money. Blue-ray and cell are now cheap. Sony is going to re-use Blu-ray and maybe the cell. In fact I think Sony is going to re-use a lot of things from the ps3 hardware (that was new tech at the time) that's now cheap but will use their upgraded version. Which means Sony can focus on other things like graphic cards, power, more ram etc..
Sony and Microsoft don't make games?? they only make hardware??
wow...your head must be already too deep inside Ninty's **s to even say THAT!
Well this is unusual...
Wii U will be left on the dust with "core" gaming just like the Wii was/is.. (not that it really matters since it's still the Big N)
Insightful points regardless of standpoint.
Just change that tag line. Totally pretentious.
Simple: A machine capable of running next gen engines, such as Unreal Engine 4 and SE Luminous engine and so on. If you can't run next gen engines you can't run next gen games, and so far the Wii is almost out with no confirmation that it will support these engines (not even talking about an actual game announced).
Good points though.
The point is, it doesnt matter if wii u is hardcore or not, ppl are going to buy it knowing nintendo will deliver some great software regardless of its shortcomings.. They make use of their products to the fullest & 3rd party rarely can achieve that..
I am more than willing to give them $300 for this thing for their games.. The time just isnt here yet cuz i have no interest in mario bros, pikmin, or nintendo land... Another round of Smash bros, mario kart, star fox, metroid, & zelda will be why i own wii u.. Their IPs are predictable cuz they always do it rarely creating a new one.. Now if im wrong, thats fantastic cuz i will get more out of what i expect from this...
That's because third party games were hardly there. NES and SNES were loaded with third party games and they were bought.
Look at handhelds for example. Are you telling me no one bought third party games on those devices?
If Nintendo can keep those third party developers in check and keep the games coming then there really is no reason not to buy them.
They're off to a good start so far IMO.
There's enough core titles at launch to satisfy any core gamer.
Are we rolling into £2,000 PC territory to be considered "hardcore" ?
I don't think that "hardcore" gamers can all be herded into one category or definition. What if you only play arcade racers? racing sims? shooters? only COD? It's far too wide a scope to really brand any group under one title.
I would also like you to point out this overwhelming number of PS3 fans claiming to be "the most Hardcore" in this post btw, otherwise your comment is both ridiculous and idiotic =)
OT: the article is a terrible one.the only thing he might have a point at is the low amount of hdd space on the consoles.other than that I think Nintendo have made good steps towards attracting better 3rd party support. Bayonetta2 for example is good title to attract and it being exclusive may get me to pick up a Wii u. It well be interesting to see what both Sony and ms have in the pipeline
The truth is that Nintendo will need to offer a little something for everyone, I don't know a real, true gamer that isn't interested in the Wii U. Nintendo has always been about gameplay and fun, their first party games are always the reason people buy Nintendo consoles, so if they can get even a bit of 3rd party support and that support continues, they will be more than okay.
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While most of my impression is based off what I played at E3 and have heard so far, I really don't think the Wii U suits my lifestyle and thus I have no interest in it. I might miss out on Bayonetta 2, though does anyone honestly think that title is worth 300 (might as well go 350 for black) + Bayonetta 2 (50 / 60) + a normalish controller (assuming it supports / 50 or 60) = roughly 487.60 dollars? Cause where I stand, it isn't.
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I have no idea where you got that thing from and I don't care either. That thing was old ever since the first time you said it.
What is it? Have to say that to be cool on this site you think? You try too hard and that thing alone makes me skip your comments entirely. Not hating on you per se but that kind of behaviour is just ...old. It wreeks of 15-17 yo.
Nintendo cares about ALL gamers just like Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo has Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden 3, The Worderful 101, and many other "Hardcore" games they will be publishing. Is Sony going to do everything as well as Microsoft and Sony? No but that doesn't mean their not serious about hardcore gamers.
Sony and Microsoft also are trying to appeal to the casual, but are mostly advertising for the 'core'. I think people need to realise that console makers need that extra cash from cheap, casual games to support their business, which may or may not always be most ideal.
I love Sony's approach, as it is pretty much purely for the 'core',and they say they can still release the casual stuff around Christmas to keep the families happy, but the 'core' come first.
I found the link if you don't believe me. MASSIVE respect for Kaz Hirai: http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed...
Levy "his/or her opinion," upon the broad mass of gamers?
Just because the author didn't enjoy the Wii (I'm assuming), it doesn't mean that there isn't a core group of gamers who actually enjoy their console (Wii).
You can't place all your eggs in one basket, after all (metaphorically speaking) - diversification helps businesses prosper.
People enjoying the Wii U, or the Wii for that matter is not what the article is really addressing. Rather it is addressing factual things about the console.
It's not an Opinion that the Wii U is region locked, and it's also not an opinion that in-game voice chat for the Wii U will be an inconvenience for the hardcore gamers, who are the one to most likely use it.
Sony region locks online in its online pass required games now, for instance.
And I'm sure 3rd party mic's can work via usb port (Wii U has 4 - 2 in front, and 2 in back).
To defy a gaming company as non-hardcore because they don't follow the few principles set by other competing companies, is pretty absurd.
For instance, let's say that I ride a motorcycle and I own a jet - does it make me a better person than the rest whom don't own either? You may think so, but all it proves is that I'm financially better off, characteristics has nothing to do with this hypothetically scenario.
The author has their own opinions on what they believe label's a gaming company hardcore are not.
Facts are facts, but what are they when they're misconstrued improperly?
@ Jadeds
"And I'm sure 3rd party mic's can work via usb port (Wii U has 4 - 2 in front, and 2 in back)."
The article never stated otherwise.
From the article:
"Another major blow to the hardcore gamer is the new discovery by Kotaku that you will not be able to chat in-game with your friends while playing using just the GamePad. That’s right, although the GamePad does feature a built-in mic, it cannot be used for in-game chat, meaning that the hardcore gamer is going to have to spend more money from the get-go for both a bigger hard-drive and now a headset"
So it seems like you're making up arguments here a little.
"For instance, let's say that I ride a motorcycle and I own a jet - does it make me a better person than the rest whom don't own either? You may think so, but all it proves is that I'm financially better off, characteristics has nothing to do with this hypothetically scenario."
I'm not quite sure where you're going with this analogy to be honest. Owning A motorcycle would have no bearings how good or bad of a person you are. Just like owning a PS3 wouldn't make you a better person.
I guess the point you were trying to make is that owning a PS3/Xbox360/PC doesn't necessarily make one more hardcore than a Wii owner.
But looking at what's on offer from all companies, you can certainly deduced which company is serious about which type of audience. If you can't tell that the Wii was aimed at casuals while the PS3 and Xbox 360 was aimed at a more hardcore audience then I believe that we don't really need to discuss this further.
I'm of the opinion that you CAN actually tell exactly the targeted audience that a company is going after by looking at how much details they put into their products.
A Ferrari, a corvette, a BMW M3, a Porsche 911 GT 3 are not aimed at the casual driver that just want to from point A to point B. Those cars have been carefully built from the ground up to produce actual track-like performance. So when you get into the cramped back sit of a Shelby Mustang, you're not going to find a flip down monitor/DVD player combo for the toddler.
The reverse argument could be made for Sony and PS3, given the original price tag of $600.00, the BluRay Drive, The 60GB of HardDrive Space, the 4 USB port, The Creepy Babies Commercial, you can deduced that Sony and PS3 were not Serious about the Casual Crowd.
This article should be based purely on the author's opinion, because we all (gamers in general) have different views on the definition of what the word "hardcore" means.
Well of course it is, it's an opinion piece and filed as such.
Also that line:"Nintendo has always been about region locking hardware (I believe so, anyway)"
I supposed that makes it ok somehow. I mean we always use to have slavery, so let's not change that. We have always been about candles, let's not move towards electricity and such. Let's do what we've always done and then call it next gen.
That line of thinking baffles me a little. Why would you be ok with a company purposely making sure that your North American Wii U does not work in Japan? How is that in your best interest?
Though it isn't something that'll completely turn me away from buying Nintendo hardware.
Like I said - I respect your opinion, but the broad mass of gamers who play games, view the word "hardcore" in a different light than what you may be viewing it in.
I luke that Nintendo is not so hardcore, gives me more reason to buy more than one console, imagine if all the consoles focused on the most hardcore games, you would relly be wating your money buying more than one console.
Just put more serious games on nintendo and i'll be happy.
Learn on wii mistakes Nintendo please.
Wii U could be a great console for variety of users.
And let's not forget a whole range of other games like Aliens: Colonial Marines, Fists of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2, Injustice: Gods Among Us, James Bond: 007 Legends, Dragon Quest X, Sniper: Ghost Warrior 2, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Online, Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper and Wipeout 3. ...Oh, nobody was paying attention when all this was announced?
And the Wii U is "catching up" with the current generation? Last I checked, no current gen console has the capacity to run a game in native 1080p HD at 60fps while streaming a sub-HD 720p image to a controller with only 1/60th of a second in latency. And anything above full HD is something both consumers and developers can't afford right now; Microsoft and Sony have said it themselves for all of you not to be expecting a huge leap in graphics and power for their next-gen entries.
That, my friends, is all.
And the 1080p games rumor was debunked. Blops 2 is not 1080p native, it's upscaled just like the PS3 and Xbox version: http://gotgame.com/2012/10/... and Wii U version of Ninja Gaiden 3 runs at 30 frames.
And there are plenty of people who haven't played these games.
Add some content and then appeal to a different crowd.
I'd like to play some of these games without obsolete controllers.
I'm sorry, but the Ps360 controllers are 'outdated', and are all reiterations of Nintendo controllers.
TLS, Kid Icarus Uprising, Kingdom Hearts DDD, RE Revelations (the one that kept the survival horror roots), TWEWY, MH Tri, hell even New DKC was one of the most hardcore 2d platformers. Nintendo is for casuals, kiddies, and soccar moms because they ALSO have wii fit, wii sports, and cooking mama?
Truth is N is for EVERYONE! No matter how serious you are about gaming theres something for you. From party games, Mario, Zelda, to hardcore jrpg's and games like Metroid, Fire Emblem, and SSBB. Theres a wealth of games to enjoy. Whatever you call it il take games like Chrono Trigger, Zelda OOT, Star Fox 64, MGS Twin Snakes, Symphonia, REmake, Radiant Historia, Tales of the Abyss, The Last Story, Wind Waker, Code of Princess, and Bayanetta 2 all day long. Unless your one of these guys who grew up with only Ps3/360 and thinks it has to have guns and online MP to be considered "core". I think thats casual social gaming myself just like playing Goldeneye with friends. Fun, but not like diving in a deep, long, complex rpg. I remember coming from a ps2 to the Gamecube and being blown away with Metroid Prime and Wind Waker. Massive, huge, deep games that are unlike anything else on competing consoles. I went from playing ps3 to The Last Story and Xenoblade and remembered why i fell in love with gaming in the first place. Games that the hd twins have a distinct lack of. N does lack some genre's like Gears/Uncharted but thats why there more than one console. Each is appealing and a must own for a "core" gamer.
It was actually worst few years ago when we had an actual 2 tabs, one for general good post and the other was anything goes no modding and I mean that section was REALLY BAD.
Look on the bright side,at least we get some intelligent posting mixed in with the trolls here and there. :)
Im just underwhelmed that the Wii U just now is going to look how the Wii was supposed to. It's also NOT getting alot of 3rd party games that aren't currently available on current gen consoles. They have the nerve to pass of Darksiders and Assasins Creed as new Next Gen titles when you can play them on PS3/360. Also the fact they DIDN'T bundle the HARDCORE gaming controller WITH the console is enough for me that they DON'T expect the hardcore controller to be used much if at all in ANY of their games!
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Awesome graphics DON'T make a game, but Graphics raise the bar of immersion in the titles for the console... can you imagine Gears of War, God of War, Uncharted, Last of Us, Heavy Rain, etc.. to use Wii/Mii graphics this gen?
Those games Would've turned out garbage!
Yeah cause casual gamers just have to do with audio alone.
" Those games Would've turned out garbage!"
I like how you dismiss the PS2 games of God of War.
Super Mario Bros. isnt the Pioneer of Sidescrolling platformers, "Pac Land" is.
Legend of Zelda isnt the Grandfather of Action-RPG's a game titled "DRAGON SLAYER" by Nihon Falcom came out in 1984.
Super Smash Bros. isnt the Pioneer of its genre a game called THE OUTFOXIES came out 5 years before Super Smash so yeah who's the Innovator. Not NINTENDO as much.
Do you research look up these titles.
I wish Nintendo would seriously stop spitting out the same franchises every generation. I'll wait and see about the Wii U but I'm happy with my PS3.My 360 is RROD atm.
in the miiverse lol
From what I have heard the WiiU will support 1 wireless headset though.
A true Hardcore Gamer doesn't need to remind people every 3 seconds "OH I'M SO HERDCURE CUZ I PLUAY *Insert game title here* HUEAHAHA!"
This is getting old fast. Just play the god damn games you want to play because you have fun playing them and MOVE ON. There, problem solved.
There are games out there that may be loaded with the best graphics, but utterly suck and bore you, and there are games made in the stone age that catch you for hours.
And going back to the topic, the fact that the Wii U is could be seen as on par to the PS3/XBOX360 (in my opinion, is more powerful), does not mean that it is a current generation console. A next generation console is created when a company makes a new system and stops producing it's predecessor, which it normally surpasses in power. By that logic, the Wii U is the successor to the Wii, and with that, a eighth generation console, so are the 3DS (successor to the DS series) and the PS Vita (successor to the PSP). If you need info for that, look for the generations of consoles, it should appear somewhere.
And to the hardcore subject: why does it have to be region free? Yes, we will whine about it, but it's their call. we can't decide that. Graphics? Stop that already, please. Online service? In game chat? The need of the Gamepad and headset for it? This article is just pointing but little details for saying the Wii U will be a failure.
"This article is just pointing but little details for saying the Wii U will be a failure."
#1. The article does NOT say that the Wii U will be a failure.
"There are games out there that may be loaded with the best graphics, but utterly suck and bore you, and there are games made in the stone age that catch you for hours."
The article makes a point for graphics, physics, and overall gameplay.
" A next generation console is created when a company makes a new system and stops producing it's predecessor, which it normally surpasses in power. By that logic, the Wii U is the successor to the Wii, and with that, a eighth generation console, so are the 3DS (successor to the DS series) and the PS Vita (successor to the PSP)."
I disagree with that notion. You can't come to a market and offer the exact same experience as your competitors and label it "Next Generation". I'm pretty sure the reason that the industry is begging for next gen consoles to come out is so that they can offer a different experience then what exists today. If the PS4 comes out with Wii U specs and Wii U graphics, then consider me VERY disappointed in Sony.